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Dating a man in his late 20s
last year i was visiting friends in boca and met a gentleman with a nice 40 foot cruiser–the man had not taken the boat out of harbor in three years. in any event i can’t count the number of times on a certain so-called christian man’s blog, where many of the male commenters said revolting things about women and their age and appearance and it went unchallenged by the blog host. the tables may turn at 30 in terms of male/female smv trajectory *potential*, but a man still has to run the table to reap the benefit. and the “something else to the table” has never been more difficult for a man to establish and maintain. for example, nat turner and his supporters killed a lot of innocent people, and that was very wrong. the 52 year old who wants a woman in her 20s should get out there and see what he’s got. if equality is not achieved, then why do they piss and moan about alimony, paying for their little shit factories that a man may not have even fathered and have a court system that defaults to catering women over men? most of them look horrible, many because they did physical labor for years, and this ages the body. i’m curious because i personally don’t know many (or any) guys that are overly emotional like you’ve described- it would seem intuitive that most men would be overly guarded about their emotions (and yes, i may be biased because that is how i am). there’s a strong correlation between whether a woman is interested in temporary-ltrs or marriage and whether she goes after guys her age or older guys. however, this seems odd when we are raised in a pc culture. for example, 68% say that at this stage in life they want fun and freedom; 54% say they are not interested in getting married anytime soon; 64% agree “there are so many bad marriages today it makes one question the value of marriage;” and 41% agree that “you can’t trust women to tell the truth about their past relationships. here, mark manson used deception to play erika awakening, which is totally not cool (though erika awakening does bear some responsibility for who she chose).”i think you have this right, just from my personal experience & observation. the good news is that most women are not looking at older guys – as i said in the op i have witnessed real resistance to this. i said this:while you may not want to focus exclusively on older guys, i recommend that this be one strategy in your portfolio.@ted dwell, reading about you being perceived as emotionless in most settings but being quite romantic at heart hits home to me. i’m really feeling like i’m missing out with all this game of thrones stuff. his daughter ends up being played by a cad who used the lessons directly from her dad’s blog. instead of trying to force things, i think that he should find a woman that feels comfortable moving at his speed., here’s the point:“the point is that a lot of women view in this way men who are not classically physically attractive. but his unrestricted background does not make him very patient in this regard, it seems to me. i want/need some way to release that, and traditionally i used my romantic relationships to do so. would any woman want to cover up great looking breasts? there was one point that even i was tempted to say, “hey, welmer, i can sympathize with the raw deal you got in family court, but this guy makes me want to ensure that all children come from anonymous sperm donors in the future! i wonder how you know that he wants to ditch his wife for a younger girl? i was divorced at 44 for the younger woman and children were not an issue. i’m also pointing out that this attitude, which susan has given voice to, is one of the primary reasons the manosphere exists. we all go through this process after a relationship breaks up of picking up the pieces of our emotional lives.’ve been divorced for 16 years, i am in my 50’s now, and for the first time since i divorced i truly feel i want to be married again.”this is what women think of their aging, not so physically attractive husbands. be adamant from the beginning that there are many things you value more than money. his “maturity” is not a plus unless it affords the woman something she can’t get from a guy her own age or a bit older. same thing with so many of the “alphas” who are touted by men here. my conversations with women usually end up with a lot of “respect” or “admiration” for a man who is willing to take on such responsibilities, but they quickly lose any romantic interest.“on top of that, her language and concerns (sloppy seconds, thinking he would brag about going to second base) would suggest that she is, at best, emotionally stunted in this area and, at worst, full of real hang ups. within two weeks of living with his parents his father moved out. but keep in mind, the ‘sphere tends to collect the “herb” type men after they’ve been burned, so perhaps many of them have indeed been in marriages where no or little attraction was ever present. fact, i was advised that this was the case, at which point i quickly terminated the relationship. i feel that i have made significant progress in that area now and feel i can finally present myself as an independent woman again in the dating field. i just think that – as i said as the beginning of this convo – that charlotte is open to something serious with the right person and will not be issuing warnings to men she’s attracted to by saying she just “wants to have fun.@rambleso, i guess my question is, outside of hus, is anyone actually incorporating this rule of thumb into their advice? perhaps that’s why so much of this went right over my head, i wasn’t just “tricked” by the romance myth, i think i’m wired to actually like most of it as well…i always thought i was the romantic type! believes — and i agree — that more people need to talk openly about this because all older women hear (and thus believe) is that older men are only looking for much younger women. grew up to the sweetest, most resilient and independent young man you’ve ever seen. only reason a man needs to worry about getting older is if he wants children.’s a common occurrence for me to meet a man that i am attracted to who obliterates that attraction with the things that he says., bact ot, if i were on my own at this age, i don’t think i would date down in age all that much.: this is what happens to restricted girls who join sororities. charlotte, as long as you go in with open eyes and don’t demand more than what you’re offering (when and if the feelings kick in) i see no problem. it’s a nice fantasy, but, as a woman who in her 50s, i can tell you that any affection i feel towards men in their 80s comes out of missing my dad. seriously, show me an example of this in tv or movies from the last 25 years where a man demands from his gf/wife that she lose weight and he is not shown to be an ass. of petraeus, i don’t understand the hating on his appearance. sometimes women do meet a guy outside, but then he’s generally out of his element if she wants to participate in her sorority’s social activities.😯 esco, what scriptural authority did they give for this reasoning? people could make snarky anonymous comments on-line, but the feminine imperitive in our country would never allow it to be publicly stated, while susan’s reaction to perelman is completely accepted in the mainstream., the “i also felt repelled as the tears streamed down his cheeks and fell from his cleft chin” woman feature is very useful in certain situations, like mine. but i doubt i will find ‘the right person’ at this point in my life…but who knows. a man 10 years older and you could be in for a 20+ year widowhood. the difference is, while you seem to concentrate on the “little things” that can be changed quickly to push things in the right direction, i’m more likely to say the whole thing is broke, should be scrapped, and started overi would love to see you formulate a strategy for that! young women are somewhat resistant to this idea, i have found., i did not mention his story because he was and is an odd guy. boys in this scenario was heavily skewed in one direction, from my large experience with board gaming of all sorts. should preface this by saying that i relate to people just fine, but prefer to show how i feel rather than say too much., kathy, did you come here just to demand explanations of me which you have no right to demand in the first place, or are you here to continue your vendetta against that certain christian blogger who repeatedly called you out on your silly claims and finally had had enough of you? kids (if you were even selfless or woman enough to have any! its far too easy to find layman’s (heh) examples of this dynamic to think it’s only about the rich and famous. in fact, many said they were not interesting in caretaking ever again — they’d been there and done that. those posts i read were just paragraphs upon paragraphs of verbal diarrhea spouting the same nonsense about mark postmasculine deserving his comeuppance. another way, i completely understand where anakin skywalker was coming from when he told padme that he would bring order and peace to his galaxy, because he wouldn’t tolerate anything less. given that fact, one might expect that the men, ages 30 to 34, in this survey sample. it’s pretty rare, in my opinion, for a man to age into a “silver fox”. don’t know if you saw it, but saywhaat linked to this study yesterday:ladies prefer thin over machomacho features such as a strong jaw and squinty eyes advertise that a guy possesses high testosterone, according to the immunocompetence handicap hypothesis.’m not sure that his naural physical condition is much better than that of the mother who gave him two sons and stuck with him through his drug issues. or should you end your relationship and explore a relationship with the woman at work? now can i sit in this woman’s presence and feel nothing. we will dance and drink and party, and then we will make out in his car for an hour before i head inside. major problem with relationships nowadays isn’t a man or woman thing. i liked his post on the mature man as well. i say this as a short, ugly, middle-aged, miserly and socially awkward individual who no woman of even average attractiveness has ever thought of as anything other than absolutely cringe-worthy, not some adonis wannabe who doesn’t understand how the other half lives on the other side of the smv tracks. yes, some might say i simply chose poorly, but i also see far too many men in the exact same spot as well, and i know zero couples where i would be okay taking the man’s place. the only reason ron perelman was able to pull ellen barkin (even when she was 46 and well past her prime) was because of his money. as a single professional woman who worked her way thru education and never had a penny handed to her, a man with poor decision making skills who chose someone to stay home and become vested in a pension plan from him is not attractive.’m just saying that his taming did lead to his downfall in the show. unfortunately, i’ve seen many parents take great pride in having a ladykiller son. the likelihood of this happening has little to do with the mindset. only thing to be pissed about is that susan is not a gold digger and his wife is. a woman or man doesn’t want to gross out their spouse, they just have to maintain their health. seems to me most women prefer you to be this way as a man anyway (and that’s not chest puffing, just an observation). tonight after i get dinner done (wife is working late tonight so i’m on kitchen duty) i’m going to pour a glass of wine and toast to future cooper!@tedd:“truth is, that isn’t very fair on whatever poor woman is with me at the moment, which is why i’m working on it. this sounds like some terrible virtual reality robot who has been programmed to speak by people who have never bothered to learn english! around this time last year, i was pulling 60-80 hour workweeks, but i still managed to carved out time for dates. i think more young women are open to the idea of dating a guy who is older than not, however it gets a bit tired when the topic gets turned into guys in their late 30’s and up going for girls in their early twenties. i’ve known several sorority women who would not join if they had to do it again for this reason. and no relationship is ever going to last if the woman does not have this experience. the same messege that tells a woman to look past 3. many older women are fine with compromising in love — to a point. one over-30 commenter was preoccupied with “young hot girls”, and another one displayed what you reported – that it’s not hypocritical for a man to sleep around yet expect women to be virginal. needs to be a manual that expressly notes that hooking up does not automatically mean that you are now bf/gf.” the new rule seems to be “as long as i’m not sure he’s definitely not the one, i might as well stay with him” no matter what his thinking might be. when women are doing the hunting, they can do the choosing – till then, it’s a man’s prerogative…of course, she doesn’t have to come back to my place – that is her choice, but mine is who i’ll put in the time and effort on… and as long as i’m getting enough response in that age bracket, why would i change? matter what he’s telling himself on his setting page, a 30 year-old man spends as much time messaging 18 and 19 year-olds as he does women his own age.@jpactually, with morality being a human social concept that is quite fluid across cultures and societies, and tribal affiliation being a genetically-driven (your tribe usually shares more genes than theirs), biologically common (all sorts of other animals display it) trait, i’d say it works the other way around. my guess is that the father, who would tell his daughter that she needs implants if he thought she was lacking, wouldn’t care all that much about whether or not she gets “played”. and i have no issue with this as far as it goes, but this is not an ltr of any sort. sure, a 33 y/o woman can rail at the harsh tone and overall injustice of how over 30 women are on the receiving end of a blanket discount. one of those things that isn’t fun but can be managed. i’m having a hard time seeing why you’d accuse me of trapping this man.@susankhal droga became a pussy at the end and let his wife boss him around too much, leading to his death. he said he loved me and wanted to spend the rest of his life with me, and four days later he was on another date.@susanone quick point about dating older men is that the older men may not always want to date a younger woman., if i did go workout, assuming that this was, say, a 45 minute workout, by the tie i got back and showered, it would basically be bedtime.”i’m not trying to be a pita here, but i have friends for this stuff. so, 0k later and a ‘reduced’ payment of now,only 0 per month (children are now adults), she had to file for bankruptcy because she pissed the money away. i just don’t think i am relationship material in this age.”yes, but this is the fun part of the relationship. but, one of my really good buddies was in theater- this dude made the rest of us look stupid with girls (and my friends were mostly not stem guys or bookworms, we were at the bars every weekend). after all this work on their part they are very guarded that some loathsome male sould will come along and want some of it. also, this is going to be harsh (and not in the escoffier harsh mold). we come from very different places and views, but i do believe that rollo has men’s best interests at heart, and i respect that, even if i don’t care for some of his methods. women go through menopause, which alters the body in many ways. i bought my own home thru hard work and saving after i got divorced, and i’m not selling my home to move in with anyone.’ve heard male commenters, particularly those seeking involvements with younger women, at roissy and elsewhere in the ‘sphere quote this maxim seriously. 😉susan – “if my husband told me he was going to miss me at work, i’d be alarmed”don’t take this the wrong way, but that statement made me feel very sad for you. even then we’re not talking your average umc gent who’s divorced his wife.@ zach:actually, with morality being a human social concept that is quite fluid across cultures and societies, and tribal affiliation being a genetically-driven (your tribe usually shares more genes than theirs), biologically common (all sorts of other animals display it) trait, i’d say it works the other way around.”this is kind of my argument against older parents (meaning 30+ when they start having kids). this was the custom of burning a widow alive on the funeral pyre of her husband.”i think that there’s some neuroscience/psychology about this floating around. – “he was the most emo guy i’ve ever known, but to be honest, that was part of his appeal. you don’t even allow the small talk with the woman at work. perception is reality, and my perception of a woman “changing” attraction triggers due to age is no different than my perception of a woman “settling” for a beta because she can no longer snag an alpha. (strs are a different story, though the women the mature man wants can undoubtedly get onss with men at their physical peak of mid to late 20s.: my college gf, her heart definitely got broken even though by the terms of this system which you praise as fine and just neither of us did anything wrong. is why i would never recommend that a man search for a woman who is physically out of his league. literally the day before her options were set to vest, he moved all her stuff out of his townhouse and locked her out. because honestly, the behavior appears to be exactly the same to me, and perception seems to be the sticking point between men and women on this.) i decided to count how many women were not skinny in the hour i was there:2 women, out of the dozens i saw in that hour, who were bigger (ie not skinny). even though i'm talking to the guys here, many of these points apply to you too. i too have been trying to figure out this older life dating thing. they think it’s their god-given right to have a woman half his age, or he “offshores” his love life by getting a mail order bride i. i’ll bet you’re an amazing woman, except this belief is not amazing:”my body is going through menopause and a man won’t be attracted to me for that reason. regardless of your stance on this matter the last line is wisdom that’s pretty hard to ignore. thing i’ve seen psychologists express concern about is that people don’t have a serious relationship at all until their late 20s, and then they marry that person.”did something induce the mania, or had you had them before and just not know they were manic? problem with old guys is old sperm, and erections that don’t impress like they did at his age of 22. most of the time it takes two, but once or twice i’ve given a woman the benefit of the doubt. i used the word boor to describe him as a “rude, ill-mannered person.. he traded her celebrity and fading looks for his money and lifestyle, and vice versa. i’m curious because i personally don’t know many (or any) guys that are overly emotional like you’ve described- it would seem intuitive that most men would be overly guarded about their emotions (and yes, i may be biased because that is how i am).“as for loved ones, i’m probably closer to him than any of his family. tend to romanticize other aspects of the relationship, protector/nurturer roles are played up for us. at this stage in life and the way gender relations have evolved during my lifetime marriage isn’t worth it for men anymore. some reason, that story, and the fact that you did not have any friends that were below a 6, reminded me of this:I learned the truth at seventeen. you know how it goes: the more manic you are, the more you don’t need to sleep, and the more manic you become. might sound crazy, but i can’t shake this image in my mind that zach and restricted girl are like two magnets of the same polarity that keep repelling each other: she is guarding her body; he is guarding his heart. at this age , i want to travel without animals or small children. this type of story is gold for women’s fiction, ie. sometimes girls say they are open to a ltr, or even a permanent relationship, with a guy that “inspires” those feelings in them. alone is indeed a prospect that should concern a woman who marries a man 10+ years older than herself. think any woman who gets married to the first man she dates runs a very strong risk of a poor marriage. he was sent here to simply prove that humans were capable of being more than animals. in addition, his income is climbing rapidly, which increases his mmv, or marital market value. last time we shared crazy stories desiderius lost his mind and has not been since since.@just a thoughtthanks for the link, that’s a very interesting article – on slate hannah rosin has already “fought back. however, i suspect the single guys in their late 40s and 50s should have no problem getting single women in their 30s. i actually think that could dissuade a man more than anything if the girl is like an instant cling-on, talking about their future together from the start. are very alpha old men like prince philip who we may say has still got it going on for an old goat, but that translates to high smv only for women a bit younger than he is, imo. offered a good example of how to be emotionally supportive when he was talking the other day about relating to his wife., an older man and a younger woman is a much better formula for marital success. in the manosphere would not say that they want submissive women. 😉i am probably the most restricted person commenting here and my reply to this:“dating for fun sounds very much like using other people for your entertainment. i’ve loved everyone of them and i sometimes file away the longer ones for later reminders. funny thing was that i went to the bathroom while i was in the young woman’s bathroom and she was telling her mother how she had kicked the guy out because he had never payed for anything, lol. i suspect this is at the heart of your unsatisfying results. a man’s testosterone level takes a huge nose dive at around 50. he had to do this for his daughter, that for his daughter.“cooper’s difficulties have been a direct result of flying loose and free with intimacy, trying to make a girl his gf after one night of hooking up.@zach“when i actually managed to get her to take a piece of clothing off , after we were done making out (which is all it was), she used her arms to cover herself up as we were ”my wife did this the first time i took her top off. was not divorcing his mother, just keeping away from his son. it’s common with young women (a big reason they go after so many dbags is for the “excitement”). these men are saying these things, my husband is a man, therefore he must feel the same way. however, his confidence and charm are ascending at this time, and are just below his peak physical attractiveness. my roommate and i are both not looking for anything super serious at this point, i mean if that develops, it is great. was an overly romantic/sentimental type, and he would tell me things that would make my skin crawl., she seems a very, shy, restricted, nervous woman, which in today’s world seems juvenile and way outside the norm., i can’t recall any talk of perelman’s looks, i’m just offering my personal opinion. – “well, reading about you being perceived as emotionless in most settings but being quite romantic at heart hits home to me.
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pickwick is misunderstood by his landlady when he proposes to hire a valet and is subsquently sued for breach (through sharper lawyers), she wins the suit, he refuses to pay, and is sent to debtors prison. i’m glad i’m not the only one that noticed this. i will concede the point that there are some, maybe even many, nice worthwhile single women in their mid fifties out there. they’ve already lost one man and don’t want to nursemaid another. dissing you zach, but i think hope is right on this one. but that strips the humanity right out of it, because a man is not a thing to be acquired any more than a woman is. i like whispering in a man’s ear, gently placing my hand on his thigh, tracing a man’s palm with my fingertips, speaking in a smoky seductive tone, and many other things”crap, now i have to rush home quicky and have my wife take care of this raging hard on you just me.@rollowe seem to be on the same page wrt the mature man. far too few are spelling this out for young women today. i consider myself to be well-educated (my college degree is actually in finance), and i have many hobbies that have nothing at all to do with shopping or getting my nails done. loads of physical problems, like a vitamin d deficiency or seasonal affect disease as mentioned above, can manifest as depression. speaking as someone who fell hard for a guy, only to discover later that he lied about me giving him a blowjob at a party, no, i don’t think it’s fucking immature to wonder how a guy might act once you’re out of sight. so, when you ask why guys might be bothered by this “maturation”, ask the dumb beach bimbo with bigguns why she might resent being nothing but a cum dumpster. confess i worried about you, intj and the other young guys while writing this – i didn’t want you to feel discouraged. so what do i think about dating at this age? even so hubby doesn’t has diabetes his family doesn’t develop it for some reason probably lifestyle choices and i won’t get it till i’m in my 60’s or if i become overweight, the kid was not born with it so this is something he will need to be careful but is not damning. i made many sacrifices in the marriage and put my dreams on hold. according to an aarp survey not too long ago, many divorced people do want love again … men and women. men don’t give a s#@t if your strong or not, unless we need you to buck some bales, and the fact that your independent translates to “i don’t need you, so be aware that your very expendable” which is always a turn on for any man. rollo says women are natural plate-spinners and that doesn’t mean they’re fucking all in parallel. is hard to read tone, so if this is tongue-in-cheek and i missed it, woops! that is why men are bitter and angry, then yes, they need to man up. i didn’t realize that i had a vitamin d deficiency, caused by too many months of no sunlight. khal is the total alpha who isn’t used to being as cunning (as opposed to ruthless) and so once he stops being true to his alpha nature he fucks up way too much and dies because of it. i consider myself to be average or above in looks, my physique is holding alright for a man of my age, etc. am not talking about a couple that feels like they need to lose weight after the holidays and decide to join a gym together, but where a man “demands” that she not gross him out. i have too many requirements and not enough in the dating pool. and i didn’t say that “all men age and look like perelman”. barry ife, cervantes professor emeritus at king’s college london; edwin williamson, professor of spanish studies at the university of oxford; jane whetnall, senior lecturer in hispanic studies at queen mary, university of london. 🙂i like how he has earned the friendship and respect of his peers at the wall. that khal, who was basically ass raping his wife, fell for her the minute she showed tenderness and requested intimacy. what is the point of being with someone this long if marriage isn’t the end goal? there was a fairly clear hierarchy on campus, and attractiveness and social status (meaning mostly, but not entirely, the kid’s backgroud) correllated fairly highly. i went to the gym today and while there decided that i would knock on his door when i got home and explain that i really just want to be by myself tonight, but he wasn’t in and i wrote a note and posted it in his letterbox. grandfather was in the army with this one guy who isn’t even all that great-looking. first year was much the same as yours, used and abused by pretty much every woman. in fact, borg et al have done some research which hints at cultural factors also being able to modulate this response. i’d much rather marry for love, to a good man that i am genuinely attracted to, and that is what i did.“she referred to — and recoiled from — perelman’s physical attributes, not his character defects. experience with following the ‘recent comments’ links is that they stop working after a couple of pages (they go to the wrong page and stay at the top of page)…as a techy i would guess that this is a bug triggered when the number of deleted (spam corralled) comments gets too large. his then followers got to divy up the captured chicks after they conquered groups and killed the men folk. on to that the inability of an undergraduate degree failing to stimulate much beyond an iq of 11 and its a recipe for depression. my point is, even a “restricted” woman can ride the “carousel” once or twice, and if the primary sticking point is riding at all, then unrestricted vs. – “also, don’t worry, i’ve now accepted the fact that i’m really a transsexual lesbian, so don’t take my perspective as though it came from a man. he has an 18 yo son and a 20 yo son, so he’s not quite an empty-nester (he’s had a few custody issues with his ex over the past 3 years). of us are choosing wisely, as we do have, at least some interest in remarrying, but this time we are hoping to find a keeper (and be one), and it may take a while, in these parts! 🙂j and kathy, yep i’m grateful to be with a good man.@ susan walshhe was the most emo guy i’ve ever known, but to be honest, that was part of his appeal.@susan:“i would never want a man to marry me because we’d been in an ltr together. her husband is a working man, not a drunk, not an abuser, but not making the money she thinks she deserves., she’s just aiding the youth alliance in the coming massive intragender conflict over an older, more power, more sophisticated future cooper (due to the lack of adequate supply of future coopers) , which will pit the aging 28-33 year old women against the younger, more aggressive, 23-27 year old women. i know one woman in her mid 20’s who shackled up with her first serious boyfriend, first guy she had sex with, and she made it clear she’d only sleep with the guy if he moved in with her and played his role as a co-habitation couple.“marry a man 10 years older and you could be in for a 20+ year widowhood. that’s the manosphere myth – the notion that a woman is likely to cuckold or cheat with some more alpha male during ovulation. too many men will look at these comments and say “see? i don’t need his money, and i don’t care if he never spend a cent on me. think this is not uncommon with artistic types – and this guy did go on to make his living acting and singing.😯esco, what scriptural authority did they give for this reasoning?, mere variation of custom does not prove nor even strongly suggest that all morality is human convention..one commenter even gloating about cheating on his so with other women from time to time., and maybe this is just from living in the northeast (the south and midwest are fat), but i constantly see early/mid 30s women who are very, very attractive. wanted to clarify that i do disagree with this take on the situation. might find this funny though: during my episode, when i was hallucinating/hearing voices, i heard my bf’s voice tell me that we could talk to each other telepathically, because we were “soulmates. implies that it is fine and well for a woman to go for the bad boy because she is immature today, but 10 years from now she can be totally happy with her provider husband because she “matured”. the last woman i met was fanning herself during the date due to a hot flash. have to say that i find this aspect of american culture to be the most backward and twisted. these conditions, a woman may be best off doing her aggressive filtering during the pre-date phase, making use of reliable social proofing indicators as much as possible, and then escalating quickly once the actual romance starts; traditional plans for an extended period of non-sexual exploratory dating/”boyfriend-shopping” and courtship are probably not realistic. in fact, regional differences could explain megaman’s observations about the smp there., i don’t like it when a man tells me that he misses me either.@rambleas you can see, men tend to focus on the youngest most fertile womeninteresting, while i was researching this post i came across a raging debate among evo psychologists. i had a dollar for every time i saw “i’m a strong, independent woman” by a personal ad, i would be able to retire today. men are set in their ways at this point in life, too… women are not alone in being empty nesters., sounds like something a victorian hack would do right after treating a woman’s “hysteria” with a vibrator. it takes time to blossom, and for the people in the relationship to realize that they see this person becoming a part of their life and putting more effort into the relationship. these guys never dated a woman their own age or older., as for the guy that made that comment above you which he is certainly right by the way since this does really happen to us men a lot. light you can shed on this situation would be tremendously helpful.” it’s probably what i deserve for hanging around the manosphere too long, because i become very… dark… after too much “women are only fit to belong to men and carry their offspring and this is the only way civilization can happen and now it’s broken and once more they’ll be crawling to us” talk and then i want to eat myself to death again. many women’s faces don’t develop and look good til out of their teens. i dated lots of women in their late 30’s, 40’s, and early 50’s. i take sex so seriously that i won’t share my body with a man unless he is committed to me–in the sacred vows of marriage where we swear to one another to live together till one of us dies. if a modern ltr can end “for any reason”, then a woman gaining 10 pounds counts. number of young women who feel as you do about not being ready for or desiring anything serious, but who can’t articulate it–even to themselves–vastly outnumber the young women who feel as you do and can state it with perfect clarity. of course, lately i’ve been working at a client location an hour away, so my morning “thinking” time has been lacking. i don't know if it's that guys this age have seen a lot of relationship disappointment that has made them bitter and angry, or if their bitter/angry vibe is what makes women run from them to the point where they are still single at 40, but these guys abound. wonder though if zach wants to have his cake and eat it too. if you don’t want to get involved with this neighbour that’s ok. obviously at this point i’ve realized that he just wasn’t that into me, and i am glad to have the more in-depth input – so helpful! it is wrong for the woman to not pursue marriage with an older man merely for age differences.“your comments in this thread make me realize that you are quite rigid about what you expect and how quickly., sick, sick (whatever it is)haha, sounds like something a victorian hack would do right after treating a woman’s “hysteria” with a vibrator. whichever way the woman chooses might lie to the individual woman. you are most certainly not the man i recommend, lol. the problem was that, while he loved his wife and had never been unfaithful to her, she didn’t provide him with the admiration and sense of sharing goals i did. i’d chosen the example of reggie miller and three-point shooting instead, would you have claimed “this isn’t true” and argued that you can shoot threes well? need to apologize, i have left many an internet question left unanswered. because christianity has one standard and it has been this way for hundreds and hundreds of years! i am 57, have been married, divorced, engaged again and reinvented myself after some serious illness and have no children. pvw and i got married, we did something very similar–not the pregnancy bit, but we wanted to get married but without a long engagement and we didn’t believe in living together, so we had a civil service in the context of a very nice intimate luncheon at one of fancy downtown hotels, followed later that year with a bigger bash. what is the point of being with someone this long if marriage isn’t the end goal? man should be aware, though, that if he does use his economic leverage to get a wife, that she is secretly lusting after the gardener, or her gym instructor, not him.@jpi think this is one of the problems in life; you are generally going to find someone you like better because you are going to continue to be exposed to new people as you move forward in life.””i think you are knocking down a straw man here. otherwise, you’re living a lie and robbing me of a real opportunity to marry someone who loves me the way you now love the other woman.”a prophet is not without honor, except in his own land. but leaving aside the manosphere hyperbole, the underlying reality is the same. because men have shorter lifespans, many older men are interested in having a potential caregiver or a “nurse with a purse. however, i feel luckier than ever to be with my man. but, if i’m introducing someone to my family, i’m past the “lets see how this works” stage and already on the “i think we should be thinking longer term here” phase. more i look at that picture, the more convinced i am that cigstache is a fat guy with manboobs and rocker hair that he put in pigtails for halloween. i am busy at university, i have good friends, live by myself (after being carer for my late mother and her dementia while doing my degree and going to italy to be with him). the time you get into your 40s, if you have the misfortune to find yourself in the dating pool, let me just tell you: It's a shit show. his reaction to that conversation was really alarming, considering we were discussing pedophilia. i mean come on, i was by his side through thick and thin, put in every dollar i made into what i thought was love, sharing and a lifelong marriage, only to find betrayal in every aspect. the popularization of second wave feminism, with the accompanying view that a woman’s virginity was her own to dispose of, removed those laws from the books, but i would bet that someone on this thread will characterize the criminal prosecution of the man in your link as “feminist. cousin, also known as the most beautiful woman born in the year 1956, had four daughters. it actually has the opposite effect and i’m surprised no one else has pointed this out. i am not saying that a guy i meet this weekend at a bar couldn’t be ideally compatible, but how would i really know if i’ve barely had any adult relationships? and later, when my wife got back to work and we decided that i will stay with baby three days a week (i got a work with no fixed hours, so i could do it) at one moment i seriously considered wearing pampers diapersheh is only hubby and me and he does helps a lot but when i’m breastfeeding about the only thing i can do is use the computer and baby is always eating he is 14 pounds now at 7 weeks it also helps that i’m hyperactive so i don’t need that much sleep. you need a venue with men who’ll be receptive–a conservative church mixer, an orthodox jewish matchmaker, a group of indian parents looking for a suitable woman for an available young man. am 55, am a tenured professor with a happy life, good relationship with my two kids, am a romantic and considerate person, and have been a life-long fitness enthusiast, training for a triathlon. we were both divorced, and at 32 she met me and things just clicked..that may be pretty descriptive of the greek scene, but outside that scene i don’t think most girls date two guys and have have some romantic contact with two others in three weeks. began to notice a certain look in his eyes a few months before he opened up, which i attempted to ignore.@passer-by:no, she knows that current cooper is being profoundly diminished by this post and thread. *scoff*) this is the part where i learned to ignore, cause it seemed all the girls wanted the validation of my attention, but not actually me. would not date a woman who was dating someone else. to mention the fact that his compliment is backhanded and patronizing.“seriously, while the manosphere can complain about the smp today in comparison to the monogamy of recent history, they should remember that for much of ancient history omegas and deltas would have much bigger problems than getting laid. but, if i showed that part of me to the world, the world would chew me up and spit me out a total wreck of a man. are far too many people in this world looking for ltrs, for anyone the proclaims to being doing so to waste their time with someone would isn’t quick to comply. so if your 50 something man looking for woman , have a little patience . years after catching my ex-wife cheating on me -with a woman-, after a 25 year marriage, i can say that at age 56 i feel pretty “sideways”. younger woman, older man thing will always raise brows from both sexes due to jealousy. i had no interest in meeting another man and thought that my two adult children were all i needed. while i may feel sorry in a way that women become invisible in later years – my experience in younger days was they were chased by guys like me. difference between men and women at this age, however, is that we don’t necessarily want the same things. think there’s this cultural meme that we have to absolutely make sure we’ve found the best possible match before we consider marriage. jeff and i have a great time, i like this kid. after his son got his own place, he moved back in with his wife. it takes time to blossom, and for the people in the relationship to realize that they see this person becoming a part of their life and putting more effort into the relationship. the record, all of this occurs in the context of both restricted and unrestricted populations. since the of today have really changed since the good old days when now there are so many very greedy, selfish, and very money hungry women these days that will only want the best of all and will never settle for less unfortunately.. the fact that 10 years later guys are still using this wingman setup is incredibly pathetic. regardless of your stance on this matter the last line is wisdom that’s pretty hard to ignore. his fiancee (now wife) was in stage iii cancer the last time i heard.: ” this ties in with some of what i felt when i was that age, and it reminds me of something we spoke of earlier, of being teenagers and having grown men hit on us. and no relationship is ever going to last if the woman does not have this experience. with the best i could possible have to offer, what 25yo girl isn't going to be able to find a 25-35yo man that can top it?@ljbut if you look at more than just raw numbers i think guys in their 30′s have a better “selection” than men in their 40′s and certainly 50′s especially if you’re a guy who is not interested in being a step-dad and would prefer to be with a never-married/no kids woman. he’ll figure out his real mmv/smv soon enough.@ susani realize that this post marginalizes the coopers and the kendras. i actually think it had the opposite effect though, because i read some of his other posts and heard “all you can have is xyz, quick bullet now or slow starvation later. i agree a woman should not let “having a man” define her happiness. “mark manson used deception to play erika awakening, which is totally not cool (though erika awakening does bear some responsibility for who she chose). tom selleck, liam neeson, a few others, but not many. so many people want to write us off because of menopause, etc., this morning as he left the house he said, “can’t wait to spend the weekend together! she’s throwing gasoline on that fire by breaking bad on a guy like ron perelman because he’s unattractive. at this point i’m basically just doing my best to give my kids a good shot at success, and that’s it.“for the record, all of this occurs in the context of both restricted and unrestricted populations. are two possible situations here, one in which the girl was nervous and restricted, one in which she was being juvenile, neither of which we can tell because this is like a law school exam where they give you facts that can be interpreted in different ways and then you spend your time listing all the ways they go together given different assumptions not in evidence in the fact pattern. wants a susan-style ltr (“at-will” monogamy until further notice, easy unilateral exit, no required consideration of the other person’s feelings). wife is convinced that my next door neighbor when i was really young is gay (still married to his wife, however). but a guy in his 40’s shooting for a 22yo woman is a pervert, and let’s not even talk about those 50+ guys!”in a perfect world, this would be the case, but my experience in my mid 20s is that women your age are not frequently selecting for this. a divorced (my choice) single father over 40 i wouldn’t marry again to resurrect a child. only way this is possible is if the person does not shut it down immediately., re: breach of promise, i’ve never read of that in an american context and as late as 1950? you really don’t want a woman who needs a man; you want a woman who enjoys the company of men and wants to be with one special man. its a major backward step and a recpie for resentment,My interests and passion would be secerely compromised by being in a couple as i don’t want to become another mans mother or main care provider. you don’t see too many tropes of marrying the middle-class guy and living “frugally ever after” ha ha! whenever i’ve expressed the desire for romantic love, sex and marriage, i get criticism and told you don’t need a man, you’re a strong black woman. to embrace my partner and his endeavors and to hope after doing so that he would do the same., there is so much to do and see on this planet. i’m fairly certain i learned this by observing my grandparents marriage. while you may not want to focus exclusively on older guys, i recommend that this be one strategy in your portfolio. he trades on his family influence, has to buy his women, and is also overshadowed by jamie and ned.. i’m a type a woman and i can assure you we type a women avoid wedding bands and everything and anything having to do with them whatsoever! might find this funny though: during my episode, when i was hallucinating/hearing voices, i heard my bf’s voice tell me that we could talk to each other telepathically, because we were “soulmates. i’m having an exceptionally hard time getting a man to even notice me in the first place. yeah, but it puts him on the spot and you read his immediate reaction to figure out what’s up. what i said was:“a large number of ordinary average men in their 30s to their 50s are going to resemble [perelman]. this december i am turning 33 and i find it depressing as hell that according to this blog, i’ve reached my peak and basically have nothing to offer to a quality guy who is looking to settle down. certain californian has taken this single dad off the market…:) here’s hoping it keeps that way.: zach and the restricted girllet the general consensus sound forth: it sounds like this is just not a match.@otc, jackie“ha, i think this only really applies to people who never have been beta or ugly.@hopei have to say though that the last line of this post was my favorite.“i can’t imagine demanding a life experience with no heartbreak.
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what is a man’s excuse for being obese and out of shape? this is why teh wimminz is beyotches and can’t be trusted! still decided to procreate because there is no such a thing as perfect genes and there is always the chance that technology will advance to a point that you kids will have a different lifeyes this part is true. historically, most of the people that today don’t want kids would have had them anyway due to no birth control and other factors. i think the oldest man i would possibly consider dating right now would be 37-39, and that’s pushing it. sure, a couple of them are slackers, but the vast majority of them are just about to finish school and many of them are quite intelligent and will do very well career-wise. every year older a man is past a certain age (his physical peak of 28? if a 24 yo man pairs up with a 19 yo woman, it’s all good to me, but an 80 yo man with a 47 yo woman? truth is, that isn’t very fair on whatever poor woman is with me at the moment, which is why i’m working on it. about a sure-fire way to becoming a carousel rider; live with a man for a few years, be taken care of, get a taste for it, then when you break up, you’re looking for another one to get the same. what is it about them that causes men to act this way? she has even managed to do a moderate amount of good. for you, i find it hard to believe that you were at the bottom of the pile with those luscious big brown south asian boobies and delectable chocolate nipples. what about that skinny emo nathan hardin– his arms were like pencils?’””this is seriously funny in a sad funny, but really really funny way. i’ve never experienced a man waiting more than that to call me/text me.@ saywhaat you’re right, this only applies to people in relationships, virgins have no feelings lolit’s true! 🙁 i just want to say if people are ever going through this, i hope they will post here to get support and a compassionate ear. zach and this girl are not good fits, so i think they should probably part ways. the “players” know what to say to manufacture the “chemistry” and the “connection”. told story joe, i am a divorced female after 19 years of marriage. thing is, i remember a painting rather similar to this one hanging in my grandparents house as a young boy. my “man filter” is set on high at this stage of life and my bs tolerance level is set on low.)it seems almost fetishistic when race is part of a compliment. many people disagree, but i actually do think that having a child bonds a couple together even more firmly. it makes sense, as many young people are in these programs just at the time when they’re thinking about marriage. i don’t think women have any idea that many men in their 30s would like to settle down – as you say, all the media attention is on aging women not being able to find mates. the man gets bored with that, and that’s when he cheats. she’s just glad to see her grand daughter in love (i love that old woman. i mean, how many range rovers can one woman drive?: “every man should be aware, though, that if he does use his economic leverage to get a wife, that she is secretly lusting after the gardener, or her gym instructor, not him”playne jain again. twenty-three states have legalized lifetime alimony, ruining a man’s financial life to where he starts out with a big monkey on his back to try to start over. point is that a lot of women view in this way men who are not classically physically attractive. if men see me as the enemy because i think ron perelman is gross in every way, including physically, they’ve got issues. i had genuine regard for him and still think he is a wonderful man. the last time we shared crazy stories desiderius lost his mind and has not been since since. many of us just want friends to chat with, travel with, hang out with, and enjoy the beautiful days ahead with no complications. when i was 18 and a man in his 30s hit on me, i couldn’t understand why that old man thought i would be interested in him. the history is fascinating, but it has for 70 years been about making films.@cooperbut the same messege that tells a woman to look past 3. i haven’t even thought about it until two years later now. as far as the average guy in his 40s and 50s getting gorgeous 22 year olds, thats pretty much a pipe dream. you’re right, this only applies to people in relationships, virgins have no feelings lol. but for the life of me i don’t understand why on earth manboobzians would get all sensitive and sentimental about patriarchal religions. all three were permanent staff who had careers better than mine, but were single, two had ph. i think most women don’t struggle with fertility before their mid to late 30s. i am sympathetic but as this can be an emotional rollercoaster etc. i mean obviously there is the dating game before you get to this point, but i think i can feel out a “cozy” person right away. is always interesting to see girls get that deer-caught-in-headlights look when, after hearing their checklist of things they want in a man, you ask them what they are bringing to the table. the 52 year old who wants a woman in her 20s should get out there and see what he’s got. earlier up thread someone, i forget who, spoke about a 19 year old who found it enjoyable to be a stay-at-home girlfriend to an older man. you can imagine what the human body goes through for that. he was always complaining that the women in west la were too heavy (as compared with the model thin women in manhattan, i guess). given how heavily oriented towards women those workplaces are, it tends to reinforce the worst female behaviors (cattiness, distorted body image, etc) just as finance reinforces many of the worst male ones (douchebaggery, cockiness, etc).”this is the rule that j’s work colleague broke. i assure you that i can put many evangelical preachers to shame when it comes to fiery speeches about sin, evil, and eternal damnation, and i’m not all that invested in the religious aspects at all. every divorced man out there has an ex wife who has said things like this about him.”in general, unlike dating, you forgive the person the sin of being human and having needs. reading this, i am so glad to be married to a man that is a good companion but barely tolerable as a husband. i think you are missing is that many guys want a few relationships before they marry as well. he carries 3 disposable cell phones one for each woman he is dating. what the manospherians here would say about a woman who did that! while marriage was not always easy, as most human relationships are complicated, we loved each other well. however, his longing for closeness might not be all what it seems. this is probably the best evidence i’ve seen for the argument that restricteds should stick with restricteds, and likewise for unrestricteds. did ignore some arguments that were relevant to my point which is that marriage is not the point at which loyalty/permanence enters the relationship. i managed to pick a whole bunch of guys that were not right for me. he wanted the wafer thin model types he was used to from manhattan. was the most emo guy i’ve ever known, but to be honest, that was part of his appeal. after reading many comments, it reminded me of why i had decided to end the last relationship…at this age unlike before marrying we wonder what our spouses would be as a parent…this no longer matters at this stage of life. i actively think about my husband and look at his pictures/read our old conversations while he’s away. the husband of whom we dream at twenty is not at all the type of man who attracts us at thirty. it felt wierd and scary, as though a man who was so much older was deliberately targeting me because he might have felt i was young and naive (vulnerable, but not in a good way) and not mature enough to negotiate a relationship with a man so much older and experienced..Jp – yeah but you are literally sticking it to the “man” when you sue the fed..@ detiron perelaman is gross and there’s nothing wrong about stating that. too many women have no means to support themselves after a divorce because “they needed men” a little too much during their marriages. seeing hubby as a capable loving involved father makes him more sexy to my eyes and it brings another level of his personality that i never saw before. long as you are neurochemically high, so to speak, it’s hard to see how you figure this out.:but, after a month (and no sex), the two of you were not so emotionally attached such that your feelings would (or should) impact his decision whether or not to continue the relationship. funny thing is that i detected absolutely no malice in his words. assuming no deal breakers show up and they can manage some of the more intrusive obstacles, the end goal is kids and marriage. this skews society, and means that women are forced to search for a guy with some sort of economic security if they want to have a child. bringing up the manosphere as if it’s so important, but it’s really not doing you any favors here. india, having sex with a woman by falsely saying you will marry her is considered rape. it was great because we got along extremely well, he was fun and easy going and he was a widower that loved his wife. i think 26-30 is when are most attractive…they are still young, handsome, and virile, while maturing and developing those “dad” traits many women look for in a husband. my first wife and i got divorced i spent a number of hours in a local health spy. again, i only actually am caring about this because he was a higher caliber than the majority of guys i meet. all i hear is, you are a beautiful woman and i want to date you. i was 18, i did not feel mature enough to be dating a man in his upper 20s or 30s.) this is eyebrow-raising for more than a few reasons, but it’s worth noting that lena headey is almost 40. they often get played freshman year once, get even more cautious, and promptly become invisible to the frats for the remainder of their college years. post wendy it seems that so many people see age as a barrier to enjoying life sometimes it is about choosing carefully and making sure that someone is ready to meet you half way going through the hurt of being someones caretaker for a few months until they feel ready to move on is indescribable and knocks self esteem and confidence there are many lovely people out there. at the same time, i think it’s folly to suggest that a man’s smv peaks in his late 30s. just because the man is older does not mean the child would not be taken care of, one way or another. so just tell him to stop and that you have no romantic interest in him..this has got to be one of the weirdest comments ever left here! i hate just the idea of dating and plate spinning, and going out with different guys in one week., honestly, what does it matter to hus what the manosphere thinks? it sounds insane to us, but it’s probably less than 5% of his net worth. coupled with the factor that many 45 to 50 year old men may not be interested in dating a woman older than them (even though it is only a few years). the cads are reading her dad’s stuff, and using all the “this is so special, let’s keep it just between us.@ passer_by:“i have experienced this many times, in reverse. are a lot of other tips that you’ve mentioned like emitting seductive eye contact, hand feeding him something, or being honest about what parts of his body you find attractive– but i think that those would be more appropriately used when i actually have a boyfriend(? “too many men will look at these comments and say “see? the latest batch of newbies were named by the vet techs– all got characters! if he is tired of the usual carousel (and he wants something more than the typical women he has been with), will he realize he needs to recalibrate and change his dating strategy to work with this new type of woman? i know beyond all doubt that any process *i* designed to fix all this would be painful at best, and downright inhuman at worst. i’m having a hard time seeing why you’d accuse me of trapping this man.+1post-college i know a lot of women who fall into this category, and as a non-carousel rider i went through this as well. night of serious fooling aroundand this was not the least bit slutty. comments like hers implicitly tell the manosphere “yes, you’re right. either she isn’t confident in her body, or her body was naturally reacting in a frightened/reserved manner in front of zach. you say stuff like “i’m frugal” and “spend the family into oblivion” it just shows that you are a little child-man who is pouting and wants to hoard his money. each time he would go away, his friend (30) would say to me, “so what do you think of him? don quixote tells the story of an unlikely hero – an impoverished country gentleman who goes mad from reading too much and decides to put the world to rights by becoming a knight errant. the “viagra triangle” in chicago exists and thrives purely because of this exception. if you are an intelligent, attractive, white collar professional man, you would be better off swinging a hammer all day, joining a bowling league, and having a vocabulary like a sewer and then you would find a mate. i know a bunch of recent college grads who met their spouses in college, moved to the same area after graduation, and got married a few years later. unless a woman was desperate and knew her smv was low, she would never take herself out of circulation for a guy she was not interested in. i think at this point we would start hanging out a bit more, and potentially becoming a couple. not taking any non-stem classes this semester, so that cuts down on the interactions with girls.“i don’t know if bringing up briffault’s law is verboten here or not, but in both cases, the woman is benefitting, just in different ways. man should be aware, though, that if he does use his economic leverage to get a wife, that she is secretly lusting after the gardener, or her gym instructor, not him. their idea of an emotionally healthy man is some twit who will constantly cater to whatever they are complaining about at the moment. whichever way the woman chooses might lie to the individual woman., the truth is, my “margin for error” on this issue is very, very, very slim. asked desi the same question this summer, when it came up with the girl he met at the pool. i’m a firm believe in “anything goes within a committed relationship” and a woman that conservative about her sexuality would be very difficult to make comfortable enough to do some of the stuff i’m interested in these days. that is often the man’s choice, in hindsight i would say to guys the empty nester, but when i was nearly in that position i thought younger woman and start again. henry-type short story about a man who writes a pua blog on the science of seduction.: “my guess is that there are unrestricted men who have not had the opportunity to indulge their true sexual preferences – they look restricted but they are not”this is probably true. his daughter ends up being played by a cad who used the lessons directly from her dad’s blog.@intjwell, in my story, the dad’s blog is under his nom de ‘net– not even his family has any inkling that thousands of would-be puas are hanging on his every word.:i’m not here to gain points with the manosphere. and when many of us good men out there will try to start a conversation with a woman that will attract us which she will curse at us since i had this happened to me already and a friend that i know had it happened to him a couple of months after me. there is something very sexy about a man in a position of authority, with gravitas.@j:“the bible also assumes that a man acquires a wife through intercourse.@ted d“you see, i and many men i know never went through that “bleach blonde” phase, so although i understand the stereotype you were shooting for, it is only because i’ve seen it in popular culture. he was very good looking, but kind of a mess emotionally, he had a terrible relationship with his father, who was a high testosterone type who called him a sissy. regardless of his love for his wife, we all know rob wants/deserves a hot, younger girl.@robbera certain californian has taken this single dad off the market…:) here’s hoping it keeps that way. that, my parents and other relatives would have been seriously on my case if i even thought to do something of the sort–live with a man as a “kept woman,” a mistress, i would have never heard the end of it. (this is not a typical swimsuit choice in boston unless you are at the pool to swim laps. think that many people of both sexes flirt with unrestricted behavior – that’s clear from the stats showing that half of all men and women who hook up are doing it to get a relationship. on top of that, her language and concerns (sloppy seconds, thinking he would brag about going to second base) would suggest that she is, at best, emotionally stunted in this area and, at worst, full of real hang ups. if a man is looking specifically to raise children, especially in this hellacious legal client insofar as men are concerned, he’s going to have to quite rigorously suss out his so’s history, compatibility, and character, and if you’re starting with a woman that is already 25, by the time they’re ready to have that kid they’re already cutting it awfully close to the fertility decline.@sassy“at this point, she sounds about as fun as a wet mop. he loses his job and declares bankruptcy i’ll face poverty with him and do what i can by working extra hours, helping cut expenses, and supporting him in his search for a new job–without nagging. she was genuinely hurt, i thought, by the bus incident and by his writing about it. as a woman of 55, i’ve had knee repairs, keep an eye on my blood pressure, wear reading glasses, gained a few pounds over the years, so… none of these things “perform” as they did 20 years ago. “sloppy seconds”, worrying about what he’s going to say to his friends behind her back? (although i bet someone like jaclyn friedman gives someone like gloria allred a pain in the ass that no amount of advil can dull. i could have called his wife or hr had i been that sort of woman.” it’s supposed to go back to the man if the engagement is broken. chances are, if you were a freshwoman dating a junior or senior, you are probably more into the ‘touch of grey’ than you think. four of the six could strongly relate, while two were not affected:the editor, 36it’s not an internal thing for me. of all the old timers, there is one that still seems to be interested in chasing women at 71 (he tried to pick me up some time ago, rather hilarious–the man’s children must be my age, a bit older or even a bit younger. and i feel pretty confident that many of the other male regulars are coming from the same angle.” the typical response is “where are getting this craziness coming from? and a woman deserves to have a husband who sees her as a hot, younger chick, and not someone who he may want to “trade in”. observations of the polar opposite of susan’s in this regard. did you actually notice that he might have been crushing on you ever so slightly before he actually burst open with his declaration of undying and eternal j love? now, i knew the song, he had performed it for me many times, and also written it out. only two women who ever liked playing settlers of catan were: 1) one woman who was more masculine than 50% of the guys in the game, and 2) a married woman who only played so she could give her husband good deals on trades. – what’s the psychology in dating an older man who looks young? i think this mismatch occurs because zach is fairly unrestricted and does not enjoy “bringing out that side of her. think the 1-10 scale is just about as dehumanizing as you can get: women are being reduced to a number, not even an adjective. jeez, if i had a nickel for every time i’ve seen the manosphere rag on women who let themselves go! i don’t read his blog but he can definitely put 2 + 2 together. and, according to one comment in this forum this would indicate there would be something wrong with me. obviously haven’t read the threads at manboobz so i have no sense of the discussion over there, but is it possible you were banned for consistently bringing up material that was off topic? for every guy over 30 who is lavishing in the rewards of their labour which may or may not include aiming his attentions at younger women, there are dozens of men who are reeling from divorce, struggling with a highly competitive and increasingly demanding mid-career, or are otherwise temporarily or perpetually lacking in status markers or physical attributes (the short, fat, bald crowd) that are more than enough to reduce his smv/mmv to the point where his age is just one more detriment; a far cry from the kid in the candy store or any kind of position from which he projects this blanket discount upon his female peers. my grandfather was very much the old school stoic “manly” man type. i’m wondering if the reason many of you seem to think that “getting to know someone” takes months is because you all just like too damn many people. a woman to commit at 21 for life is asking for divorce. a black man saying to me, you are a pretty white girl. if a 24 yo man pairs up with a 19 yo woman, it’s all good to me, but an 80 yo man with a 47 yo woman? id much rather date a guy 24-28 (upper limit 30) who is working on getting himself established than find and old(er) man that is already there.”so there is market demand for restricted sororities and fraternities. that’s just more disposable income, freetime and a zero percent chance of getting divorced. think this is very true once we remove ourselves from the sphere of the ultra-rich.”my point is that you can’t know really this until the fun and exciting part of the relationship ends, which normally happens once you are actually married. many ways, la has more in common with phoenix that it does with san francisco. just as you do not owe any woman a relationship based on having had a few dates with her. the people making the most money in this tech industry are the steve jobs types that started working with computers before they reached puberty. again, this goes back to my point about women putting more priority on marriage and family before they start a career. as first recounted by his brother william, he replied:“be it so. problem is typical: my ideal woman would be a shy, introverted, conservative women that turns into a nympho only in my company.
Dating a divorced man in his 40s
you see, on many ways we are working towards the same goal. woman zach is seeing has been burned by someone, and he’s the rebound. i have no doubt he chose computer science as his major in part because it was something with which he was already familiar, and now he’s got a sweet job/salary set up for next year.:“just as it’s delusional to assume that all men age into clooney, it’s just as unfair to assume that all men age and look like perlman. in my age range many of these men are very set in their ways, have ‘parked the bus’ or have let themselves go usually health-wise (which gives me fear of the caretaking factor). the question is whether an unrestricted man would be willing to work with it or not.@passerby“well, you’ve managed to royally piss off the mras, puas, internet feminazis, and reddit mangina dorks. at a deeper level though i truly am romantic and wanted to marry both of the somewhat longer-lasting gf’s i had.“well, you’ve managed to royally piss off the mras, puas, internet feminazis, and reddit mangina dorks.’m 60 female and after many years of marriage my husband died.@otc“she wants a susan-style ltr (“at-will” monogamy until further notice, easy unilateral exit, no required consideration of the other person’s feelings). yet i feel no strong desire to intemately connect romantically.. how many children do you want to bring up in your 50’s and 60’s joe? why as a prudish woman who actually wants a sexual relationship a woman must find ways to segregate herself from the other two categories without moving into the slut category.“the truth is that without these mores, many men would have sex with females who are not yet adults. when i finally wake up, i have to take apart my boys old bunk bed and get his new full size frame setup. privately, one-on-one, with the man i love, i’m a huge flirt. after reading some of his more personal posts, i put him in the “asshole trying to reform” pile. women are attracted to mastery, but for men, a woman being a master at something is either neutral or a mild plus that won’t override more primal smv factors.”indeed, it goes both ways: a man must bring more to the table as he ages, just as a woman needs to.@madisonkc“i don’t understand the whole waiting until a man is financially stable before entering relationships. basic math shows that most of these women will have picked themselves a permanently single life whether it is welcomed or not. when we see a guy in his 30s, we assume he could obviously be married right now if he wanted, so he must be choosing to play the field indefinitely. reason that you can’t find a good woman is that you are a lazy old dinosaur! the fourth time, the point is this: there’s a lot of anger and bitterness and hostility in the manosphere. by the time a man that invests in himself truly comes into his own, he’ll be far separated from the hottest women he knew back in hs/college, while those that were either naturally endowed or chased flashy but ultimately superficial pursuits at the expense of long-term return got the pick of the litter. the older the man is, the less the maxim holds imo. idea of a romantic partner is faintly alluring even still, but the knowledge of what modern relationships are about, and what modern people seem to want out of life makes me just shrug and say:Omgchroniclestwitter: omgchronicles says:April 22, 2015 at 1:41 pm. however if i suspect when i get to be in my late 20s and 30s a 10+ age gap would be welcomed. i meant that as a friend i don’t know what to do to help a guy, whereas with a woman, i know what i can do: listen.@intjfirst, i think erica awakening is perhaps not guilty by reason of insanity, but during this period of months of building intimacy, she knew the guy had a gf.@jackie“imagine a black man saying to me, you are a pretty white girl., surely, you must understand that it’s weird that she thinks he would brag to his friends (who she barely knows) about taking her top off.@susan“would you want a woman to marry you because she’d been in an ltr with you, even though her attraction for you had begun to wane in recent months, and a handsome guy at work was tempting her with regular invitations? 😉“i assure you that i can put many evangelical preachers to shame when it comes to fiery speeches about sin, evil, and eternal damnation, and i’m not all that invested in the religious aspects at all.)iow, if a man wants to marry and have a family with the hottest woman possible, he should act when he perceives that his mmv is highest, which may mean partnering with a woman who is 30 or more. i’d much rather be financially independent than rely on a man. i’m also pointing out that a sizable number of the men in the 80%, the betas, deltas and gammas, and the betas susan says she wants women to meet, date and marry, are going to resemble perelman physically (short, fat and physically unattractive) even if they don’t resemble his personality. he also spent a lot of time lifting weights in his garage a la chris cooper in american beauty. men don’t want to be referred to in derogatory terms, they would do well not to emulate mr.” you know how it goes: the more manic you are, the more you don’t need to sleep, and the more manic you become. no, i don’t need a man in my life to complete me, but it sure is nice to have one to enhance it. they will try to do the right thing for both parties by ending the “mini relationship” sooner, rather than later. i see my wife every single day of my life, and i still on occasion find myself at this very desk “daydreaming” about being with her. she was talking about him being fat and ugly, specifically about how his $ balanced out his physical unattractiveness. this makes her anxious, she is a restricted woman, you are an unrestricted man, so she thinks you’re playing her for sex (because you’re going through the actions by route). when we see a guy in his 30s, we assume he could obviously be married right now if he wanted, so he must be choosing to play the field indefinitely., the manosphere does not have any mainstream outlets (things like maxim and fhm most definitely do not count). i dreamt about being a beautiful young bride and having a home and family life like so many women do – but it’s not going to happen.@kendra“this december i am turning 33 and i find it depressing as hell that according to this blog, i’ve reached my peak and basically have nothing to offer to a quality guy who is looking to settle down. saying this “the only time a woman wants a man is when she needs a man” reflects a somewhat sour attitude. lot of stupid women on this topic that was written by a woman anyway. know that we men tend to impose a kind of morality tale on this where the high n woman finds herself w/ nothing but cats, romance novels, and bob (“battery-operated boyfriend”), but i think that a fair number in nyc manage to get away with it.:“deti, the repulsiveness of perelman is in his character (or lack thereof, rather).. she did, so i escalated emotionallybasically i played the role of the woman in our courtship in terms of emotional escalation, and she pushed for sex. reality is that many men date multiple women for the same reasons women date a lot of men. am down with this, and i’m down with susan’s goal. what if ex-hubby was cheating on her, but that never got out because you only heard his side of events? 🙁 i would be willing to bet there’s some major trauma or mental illness behind all this. they would probably introduce one another to family at this point, perhaps visit one another’s hometowns, etc.@zachone quick point about dating older men is that the older men may not always want to date a younger woman. would never want a man to marry me because we’d been in an ltr together.’ve sadly watched two of my very good friends ruin really great relationships because they were on the hunt for something else, “just to make sure this relationship is what i want. i am a human being that after years of games, travel, attitude, laughter, freedom loss, great sex, what have you, just decided i am at my happiest just hanging out with friends. when my harry passed away three years ago, he was still the same vibrant and wonderful man that i met many years ago in law school. however, castigating the manosphere by pointing out that there are men (in the manosphere) who feel that women should not be allowed to drive is a little like saying the democratic party is complete horseshit because there were plenty of liberals on popular blogs who would compare bush to hitler or, sometimes (and this was my favorite) a monkey.“and, surely, you must understand that it’s weird that she thinks he would brag to his friends (who she barely knows) about taking her top off. i have many friends and a hundred things i’d love to learn about.: but not if a woman like that is hanging out with an alpha crowd of guys like zach and his pals! but i have run into my fair share of christians who loudly proclaim how they are god’s servants, blessed be his name, etc & etc, yet they’re quick to condemn and not once have i ever seen their ilk working at a soup kitchen or similar. i once asked my dad if he thought my mom was the only woman he ever could’ve married. i was looking for a fb i’d definitely say fido at this point. i think it’s fair to say that any woman who marries you in future is a fool. that said, not every woman is materialistic, into social media (so many of my gal friends aren’t), etc. cooper’s difficulties have been a direct result of flying loose and free with intimacy, trying to make a girl his gf after one night of hooking up. keep repeating this and punctuate the five year period with two girlfriends, meaning that instead of this, you get (periodically):weekend 1: spend all weekend with girlfriend., i did ask you a question a few threads back that you never answered, so, i will ask it again:oh man, ramble, if you are going to talk about how much you long for women to get dumped if they gain 5 lbs…whoa. i’ve seen nothing in the general philosophy of this blog that suggests to me that susan supports “looks-ism. theory is that in the eea, if a male survived into his forties and had some authority, that would have been a proxy indicator for high genetic fitness (since most didn’t make it that far), and thereby triggered something subconscious in some women. the only time i can ever remember this being used in popular culture was a vague reference to it by alec baldwin, as jack donaghy, saying that he is turning 50, which is like turning 32 for you (he said to tina fey as liz lemon).) i’m not a people person, and this is but one way it manifests. but susan, you of all people should know that i suck at delivery, and in this case it was far easier to find a woman that was comfortable with my inner sickly-sweet emo than to figure out how to change it. 😉did meet this girl during astronomy study group but turned out she had a boyfriend. at this point, i am about to throw in the towel. but you have never felt this degree of longing before, for any woman. and until we do –which i believe only comes after this life– the only superiority we can practice is a false one. henry-type short story about a man who writes a pua blog on the science of seduction. which makes the timing rather comical to me…)all this talk of 10 years being too much is bs and only applies at the lower end.)i’ve come to expect that the restricted girl i’m lookin for may very likely seem like this. obviously the physical attraction would exist for a wide range of very young women but it’s hard to imagine spending significant (non-sack) time with a woman way, way younger. but, after a month (and no sex), the two of you were not so emotionally attached such that your feelings would (or should) impact his decision whether or not to continue the relationship. comments about men’s sexual performance are unfortunate, there again an open mind is key. just over two years ago, my husband of over 35 years left me for a younger woman. was inspired to write this post by a couple of women i know who are really, really enjoying relationships with men ten years older. that’s the manosphere myth – the notion that a woman is likely to cuckold or cheat with some more alpha male during ovulation. one neighbour is 60 and divorced and also looked after his aged mum for a long time and we got on quite well over the years.”i never encountered this and i didn’t seriously date until i was in my 40s after my divorce.” the men i regard as alpha are much different than many of the definitions i’ve seen. i get the whistles and get asked out by strangers, but i haven’t went yet, because they haven’t taken any time to get to know me. also didn’t really feel like zach and this girl are a good match. the best way to do this, in addition to online dating, is through work, social circles and activities. like the quote to deti yesterday, be the change you wish to see in this world, ted! re: “i miss you,”i think the differences reflected in this conversation are really just personality/preference differences.(b) have no interest in this social media / facebook / twitter / look-at-me thing. or should you end your relationship and explore a relationship with the woman at work? this near-incomplete ability to function in the real world, i had nearly a 4. need to always feel they have the young woman in their life. ”well, your and my version of overweight probably differed from his. she doesn’t have to have sex right away with him, but she could definitely learn how to seductively engage him in flirtation and “kino” to engage his senses without sex. i think 15 years might be as far as i could manage, but only because at that point, we probably wouldn’t share any kind of common history at all. ”i thought a point of life was to avoid romantic trauma, meaning that you marry the person you fall in love with. “i’ve hung around tons of gamer guys, their partners, friends, families, and all that, and the only two women who ever liked playing settlers of catan were: 1) one woman who was more masculine than 50% of the guys in the game, and 2) a married woman who only played so she could give her husband good deals on trades. please don’t look at hollywood or the media for that fact for any “truth” about people (well, you can believe this blog!@ hansololol you should put the “intj don’t read this” disclaimer at the top of the post. i have discovered that some foreign women whom i get to know first simply based on my appearance are much more likeable, less demanding and more accommodating — in every way, even when i tell them my real age. unfortunately, i’ve seen many parents take great pride in having a ladykiller son.(and ladies before you start hating me for ‘learning’ how to create chemistry – remember that it’s you that wants this crap, not the guys…). even one person commented on this blog that women go from “made to mom to crone. which is why i keep saying that n alone is useless, but how a woman got her n is not.” but, as ryan advises, be sure you’re still his priority. real nice guys have heard it in so many of their rejections that the word becomes kyrtonyte. i’m not trying to complain or whine, just trying to paint a realistic view of how ‘betas’ see the world in college and why they can become so bitter later in life. if smv is a measure of how sexually attractive a woman finds a man, then men peak at 28.@ramble“however, i did ask you a question a few threads back that you never answered, so, i will ask it again:oh man, ramble, if you are going to talk about how much you long for women to get dumped if they gain 5 lbs….@susan“it’s much more useful to take stock of a guy’s reputation (if you can) than to judge him based on his age, height, address, car, etc.@ escoffieri found his usage of the word surprising, to be honest. as it’s delusional to assume that all men age into clooney, it’s just as unfair to assume that all men age and look like perlman. maybe he should start going for hot 30-35 girls, right, or maybe even women closer to his age? at this age, becoming attached is a decision, it’s not by magic. this is based on the idea that people are foremost autonomous individuals with their own needs and wants, and they should be free to satisfy their preferences as they see fit. never did the “date for fun” thing, and i told my husband that early on, which was one of the reasons i piqued his interest. came across this just now from a search as i was feeling having gone through menopause and now on the other side, my skin and face has just *changed* without my being able to do anything about it (save cosmetic surgery or some such icky thing). sex life (and i believe this is true for most guys) is just so important to me that i can’t commit without some indication of how it’s going to be.@ramble i guess my question is, outside of hus, is anyone actually incorporating this rule of thumb into their advice? henry-type short story about a man who writes a pua blog on the science of seduction. zach is pushing for the physical and in his own words, managed to get her to take her top off, but she is clearly uncomfortable because he is not emotionally invested in her. none of them are going to be willing to be the first “lab rat” in his experiment to find connection.’s self-confidence is feigned, except for his belief in his intelligence. am going to assume, with great confidence, that when this adage was coined they were not thinking of 80 year old men. his emotional feelings start informing other parts of his brain. in this small study, borg was able to demonstrate a link between conservative moral values and sexual dysfunction. last week he was with a late 30’s hot japanese woman.’ve always been like this, but my wife didn’t realize she was until she got with me., i haven’t heard a woman say “second base” since 1970. – “missing me while he is supposed to be managing a portfolio sounds like bad news for investors.@sai:” it’s probably what i deserve for hanging around the manosphere too long, because i become very… dark… after too much “women are only fit to belong to men and carry their offspring and this is the only way civilization can happen and now it’s broken and once more they’ll be crawling to us” talk and then i want to eat myself to death again”uh, that’s because it’s a toxic cesspool that radiates hatred and despair into the universe.’s true that as a man gets older, he will have a tougher time dating 20 year olds. sound of the wind whistling through those feathers as he charged into battle upon his war horse terrified the enemy. i’m 42 and married to a woman 8 years my junior. summarize:dating a man 5-10 years older carries significant benefits and minimal downsides.“this is what women think of their aging, not so physically attractive husbands. loved when hope spoke about preferring the longer distance, online dating experience because it gave her ample opportunity to understand a man before she would be too intimate with him. the first is an ltr timed thing, the second should be known within the first few minutes (seconds if your a man) . i’ll also relate that i feel out of step with women at both ends of the spectrum. keep in mind this is my uncle’s second wife, and she’s just a few years older than his daughter from his first marriage. his “usual” way of doing thing wasn’t working for him. abc news:“the good news is that men who marry later may be more financially stable and emotionally mature,” says popenoe. comments like hers implicitly tell the manosphere “yes, you’re right. i’m 22 and i have seen guys who are 10+ years older that i thought were attract but never would get involved with them with out an incentive (established in his career, good finances, maturity ect). though susan apparently doesn’t think this of her husband, she is certainly giving voice to those who do. no matter what he’s telling himself on his setting page, a 30 year-old man spends as much time messaging 18 and 19 year-olds as he does women his own age. like this comment from the cappy cap link:“no one seems to understand when i say that if i knew i was going to die the next day, i would amputate, cook, and eat as much of my body as i could, just to see how it tasted.@jrd, yes, in manosphere terms i’m “past my prime”if you were interested in being a bar skank, than you might be past your prime, but if you are interested in being a great mother, you are probably riding the wave right now. i know that this has been said quite a few times before, but it’s always worth repeating. i must start from the position you are not; sorry but every woman in my life has convinced me that you are all out to take advantage of me. wanted the wafer thin model types he was used to from manhattan.@ deti – you need to read this rational male post:@le bieli never thought i’d be happy to link to rollo, but that post on desire is excellent., so you did extremely well in junior high, were the 4th cutest girl in hs (though, no takers), did not have one average, or below average, looking girlfriend in college…is it possible that you account of what was typical for a girl in the late 70’s was not as common as you think it is/was? lol in general, i would say his “betafication” made him even more attractive and suited for an ltr and in most cases wouldn’t lead to his death. this is subtext for ” no matter how normal i appear on the surface, you are about to become the catalyst and custodian of some inner demon or dark secret that i’ve managed to contain for years” .) yet is less fire-n-brimstone (and definitely much more erudite) than many –i’d say most– branches of christianity. (except around his dad, unfortch 🙁 ) and the actor sounds like he has an awesome life, too., can you not see that the disgust for rp is borne out of his awful treatment of others?’s far from ugly, to the point where i ascribe anyone calling him such to a negative halo effect from the scandali find his looks very rodent-like. believe the term of art in this situation is “negress. i know that this has been said quite a few times before, but it’s always worth repeating. i’ve never taken a man for a ride i’ve been open to hearing their past experiences and try hard not to judge people.. because he has to have dinner with his kids every night . (technically, sloppy seconds is a second man in the same night. the shit test post:“this led commenter dream puppy to share an example from her own married life, one where she lobbed a massive shit test at her husband””it would have been nice if i actually learned about this shit test thing when i was younger. after you are married with kids, men seem to think that flying southwest to akron ohio and staying at the airport hilton, while they are going to a work-related conference is a good vacation.@vd: “(raises hand) some of us do value this little thing called “western civilization”. then, here is my question for you americans: isn’t just befriending someone from the opposite sex (that is, making a friend band which goes together to social events, everyone pays for each other, no romance implied) considered weird in usa nowadays?@j:“in america, prior to about 1950, it was possible to sue and/or jail a man for “breech of promise” in the circumstances described in the article you linked. did this once and vowed to never do it again due to the pain i had inflicted.@tedd:also, don’t worry, i’ve now accepted the fact that i’m really a transsexual lesbian, so don’t take my perspective as though it came from a man. i do though have hope that a real man still exists for me out there.@zach:“obviously charles manson is an extreme example, but it’s absolutely true., j:she wasn’t talking about perelman being an asshole, or even about his being undesirable as a man because of an unattractive personality or distasteful behavior.