Dating a woman in her mid 30s

20 Things to Know Before Dating a Woman in Her 30s

Dating a woman in her 50s

the point is not that there’s anything wrong with going with older men. at 31, the same woman’s view of the smp is very different., the single women in their 30s whom i know were not out sleeping around when younger (to the very best of my knowledge). older a woman grows, the less likely she will remain attractive to a man her same age.“higher education for women for a woman is not waste if her values/morals remain intact. this is another way of saying that high smv guys will have sex with and even date women with lower smvs, but won’t marry them and will only consider marrying a woman who is their smv peer. “the author surveyed over 4000 people without children, whether by choice or by circumstance and continues to do so today, adding to the stats”.’m also not sure how marriage can be considered legalized prostitution when the woman is working and earning money. am a 38 year old woman, the challenge is that most men in their 40’s act and seem old. linked essay would go as well for men seeking a wife, but i suspect women (with their often-psychotic levels of hypergamy) would benefit from it, so it’s posted here:It’s a mathematical solution to how to pick a spouse. in mind: the woman who wises up from being the town mattress will admit that she was wrong. and as i have pointed out many times before, you are speaking of a relationship where children were desired, but not possible.@hopeful – since “simply asking for a barometer to see where the ideal is” – here is a old saying for your consideration. beauty & sexual allure are the currency of a younger woman. and, as it happens, it is much easier for a woman to get sex, than for a man. this is something the man-o-sphere is not acknowledging pretending women are always at fault, u guys love alpha women too…slutty women= alpha women…i wonder why so many women choose to slut it up? wants to count the number of cobwebs & bats flying out everytime jane opens her legs … lol. it’s great to have your broad experience and deep wisdom here. an age where outside of the very rich (or very poor) and where one income has become insufficient on which to tolerably live (if married with children) a woman’s earnings and lack of indebtedness are factors in addition to such traditional factors as chastity and legitimacy, and that a man should weigh when deciding whether the woman is marriageable. from what i can see it has christian element setting it apart from other sites which makes it (in my opinion) one of the more civilized intellectually morality oriented discourse blogs you will see on the internet pertaining this subject; aka the reality of women marriage and gender relations in the 21st century. in a previous thread i challenged you to tell exactly where your sexual history would make you a harlot, outside of saudi arabia. if a man enters a ltr with a real heart felt commitment, but without the legal sanction of the govt, and the woman now has real consequences for bailing (no cash and prizes)…win/win…yes? i’ve refused to date a woman further after one or two dates; mostly because i could tell she was not interested. i’m trying to say is if women want to find a man, they’re going to have to tune out the culture, leave the herd, and widen their attraction filters.” also, a number of commenters to this site have mentioned finding and marrying the love of their lives in their 30s or later. and if you losers on this board who determined women who are 30+ to be unattractive compared to 20-somethings saw me, you’d forget every “attractive” 20-something woman and be chasing me to the ends of the earth. granted, the guy is not handling the most mature, but if a 42 year old wants to have kids, there’s no harm in trying. doubt a man would need two years if he has a woman who is marriage material, who is a virgin and who is saving herself for marriage. if you look at this another way, women 35-39 have a 75 percent chance of not having a miscarriage. if they didn’t want to give themselves to a man when they were at their best, i don’t think they really believe in giving themselves in their 30s..apparently the reason socialism has failed everywhere is not that it is a broken religion but rather that it has never been operated solely from the purity of female hearts. i think your pushing it way to hard here lol. she’ll have to lower her standards for men a lot; and come to terms and grips with the fact that the hot alpha studs she wants for marriage are probably out of her reach. as always, you’re as valuable as your options and if all the people you desire aren’t responding, you either have to rebrand yourself or rethink your strategy. also, what in your opinion would there be to consider the most, then? i gathered the last bits of courage left in my loveless, shy, withdrawn self and only said ‘i kind of like you’. further upholding an equally terrible idealology that women don’t like each other or can’t get along and only like men clearly furthers your own agenda of spreading hate against women. i have since (with the help of the christian manosphere, h/t) changed gears from looking for a date or a girlfriend or a makeout to looking for a wife (and preparing myself for the responsibilities that husbanding entails). and i can attract younger women… but i’d also really like to date women my own age… same problem though, they’ve either given up on themselves completely and or they are so jaded and sore its just one huge emotional mistrustful minefield. there are many more factors than just financial wealth – women don’t age well and seem become even more mentally unstable (ymmv on this one). here if you’re trying to date someone with more money than you or someone who’s *too* good looking, they might be just as superficial as you and find a better option. in fact if you had any idea how totally predictable you were that would be the first evidence that you grokked anything being said here. are incredibly frightened and timid for many reasons adding to it about how altered the playing field has become with media and technology and the women having so much more weight then ever before. however i will never know what actually made them make that descion, an now they are getting back into “the game” and are incredibly frightened and timid for many reasons adding to it about how altered the playing field has become with media and technology having so much more weight then ever before. says she is twenty eight and that her boyfriend of seven years (from 20 to 27) promissed her that he would marry her when she had a degree. my n is 3, and i’m determined to keep it there until i (hopefully) marry – not to be crass, but if my sexual desires get that intense, masturbation is a lot less headache than the guilt i feel after cheating my future husband out of myself little by little. one of the things that attracted him to his now wife was her demonstrable example of mother worthiness.–“let’s go back to [my] [your] [other available] place. the rare alpha who does marry, secures a top woman (see, e. when i see an older woman with a younger man, my first instinct is to highfive both of them!“everyone also keeps asking why i settled or resigned myself to a woman who doesn’t meet your standards. do you and another men consider a woman with divorced parents to be a deal breaker?’m here to tell you that every guy who was a jerk to me about my desire to wait (which they *all* knew going into a relationship with me) was a total beta male. become “less attractive” in their 30s than in their 20s?  she knew her ability to conceive was coming to an end. the deep personal connection, young men and young women usually miss out when choosing their partners, because the other two factors blind them initially. generally: i am prepared to bet that when you unilaterally ended your marriage you had at least unconsciously performed a cost/benefit analysis that a new and better and richer man would be yours for the taking. the only other thing he has told me so far is that he thinks i am funny and ‘i like your jokes, you make me laugh so hard’. are outliers, in the statistical sense, for whom other arrangements are better. is not a “designed” study designed by a impartial researchers that has “very specific controls” over a broad population (as you mentioned 20%). miserable people, please see therapists, and stop using the internet as bins to dispose of all your emotional garbage. thank you for seeing that there was something to be seen in me, that i didn’t even know existed. she hasn’t shared how long she and her boyfriend have been together or how serious they are. trust your gut and think about what you want , rather than numbers. the reason there are so many slutty women is that men…. for some early in life and for others, a bit later.“i want to say there is a whole other population of women out there that are still single in their thirties. these men live in the same society as their wives, ex wives, and other women. lots of us observed and concluded we’d rather spend our days as we wish…. agree with you there are women who passed up good men when they were younger for shallow reaons,But please don’t forget about the women who were in relationships that had to end due to be being cheated on, lied to, abused in spite of being good woman who treated their men with love and support. 3) a lot of what i wrote was actually my personal advice to the young woman reading this thread 4) though you date woman hold their apperence as their calling card, you have not married a single one of them. i don’t mind criticism so long as there’s some validity behind it. it is about growing together, man leading, first mate assisting. a lot and i mean a lot of older men / vets have a tatt and now are at there peak wealth/ income. he never likes or comments on any of my stuff, once or twice, maybe, but i notice how busy he is on all other workmates’ profiles. i am not sure of this blog site allows for other links to be posted. sites like okcupid and pof might attract more older users (men and women) because they require more content for relationships rather than just looking for hook ups. for all the talk about wanting to be independent, in my own experience, women are generally speaking much more dependent on others when it comes to decisionmaking than men are, by and large. i’ve been reading here for several months and can honestly tell you that you’ve had very kind gracious commenters give you their thoughts!” the other words you refer to are not relevant to this discussion. can declaw cats where i live; most do, some don’t. it’s comments like these that make the hardened regulars around here question your good faith and make us think you’re trolling.’ll cover conversation later, as its late over here … lol”. you for reinforcing my original reasons for not continuing to post here. so hypothetically, let’s say a woman who has many wonderful traits, is generally considered attractive and would make a great partner/wife but introduced to a man who does not find her attractive, he would most likely not pursue a relationship with her. am looking for an honest woman to start a family. you are honestly saying that mothers and wives “wish to use their natural talents, intelligence, and skills towards professional and academic pursuits” in order to help her family in case of financial difficulties, spousal illness and so forth? i will admit, the fact that you’re a single mother makes it difficult. being a mature man, i want and need a mature woman. am simply looking for a woman who might be willing to be submissive. am on the 18th july began: ‘i love how all of the guys on here think that they know what every other guy in the world wants in a woman’. poor beta males, can’t get that hot girl because the alpha males have her boohoo waaaaaa. as it turns out, my wife developed endometriosis at puberty (long before we met), and was physically able to get pregnant, but it would have been, in her case, a life-threatening condition. of them successfully went to other countries and found wives that love them and produced children, some of them before the internet was widely used as  tool to find single women. she takes with her her personal effects and the cash settlement., have never been a “carousel watcher”) i’d say about myself.–how many “wrong guys” were there and what were the circumstances? some are men who are now happily married but, in their past, fell into one or more of those categories, and are willing to share non-sugar-coated wisdom borne of experience, to other men in order to spare them…. he has realized that what he has in life is enough, that he doesn’t need to risk everything to maybe have things get a little better(commited sex and companionship and all that lovey dovey stuff beta guys want) if the woman in question is great(notice how utterly dull such prudence must seem). the wife of a lawyer acquaintance of mine who met her whilst at cambridge (she was a fellow student) married her then and had children early and it was just as well that they did, for tragically she succumbed in her mid forties to some disease. data from more than 60 teams of researches on health risks associated with older fathers discovered that men over the age of 35 (which i personally find to be young for a man or woman yet biology clearly doesn’t) had a 50% lower chance of conceiving over a 12-month period compared with men 25 and under.. they observed that there are enough guys only too keen to wife them up no matter that they are in their late thirties and have all sorts of red-flag issues? he saw how she was with her kids and concluded she was a great mom, and she is. she’s trying to ‘have fun’ and “explore her sexuality” and “travel”. (may 24, 2012), you are very naive if you think that a 26 year old man really wants to marry a 30 year old woman unless the woman is far more attractive than what that man thinks he is generally capable of getting.…it’s best to avoid leading off with something as monumentally stupid as saying that “love of self” is something that a woman looking for a husband should set as her first priority… or even be working to increase at all. understand that women in their 20s have the most choice/power when it comes to marriage and lrts, but that doesn’t mean, as one of the posters stated, “that a woman over 30 is unmarriageable. me start by saying your avatar description of yourself as a “massachusetts-based lawyer” speaks volumes, and tells me much about where you’re coming from. you seem to be upset that you and others are not made to feel nice.’m sure no man here is good enough for you. with all that time on her hands and alleged poverty to motivate her, you’d think she’d have been first down the aisle. looks are important to me and i am very attracted to my wife, but if that was all there was to our relationship i wouldn’t expect it to last. story quotes her boyfriend as saying “gloria has thick skin”.’m also writing to say thanks to evan for this blog and all the thoughtful information he puts out there. the other derivation of that is to say “it depends on the individuals”…. want to spend my life with someone who can help me decide where to go, not just blindly follow my lead. that’s really all a woman needs at any age. cooking was for the less educated and mothers stopped passing on this skill. proliferation of online support groups of and for women who have successfully became moms after age 35, whether for the first or tenth time offers added inspiration. asking you to account for your whereabouts at any given time. thought is that it depends on whether the woman in her 30’s has been in long term relationships, or any relationships actually, or has been more of an “always single” girl. lots of factors mean that there are more men competing for the same women. this is just one step on from the women who age 38 or 43 produces a trophy child and then revert to their corporate cubicle, or as might have happened even in my lifetime, send their child off to a boarding school at the earliest possible age whilst claiming that dumping their child in a child-farming dormitory is the kindest thing they can do and thus at the same time redeeming themselves – whilst playing the part of victim – of the burden of motherhood. does not mean she is a doormat, or cowers in the corner while her husband barks orders, or tolerates physical abuse, or never voices her opinion. after eight years and 20 notches, a woman will know she’s doing something wrong, and start looking for marriage material, with a marriage-minded attitude (whether that’s a good bet for a man to take is another question).“you must be quite the catch to scoop up a women most men your age would rather pass on if they could help it. face it, many younger men are still trying to find themselves, which is not attractive to younger women, so the left-overs are more open to at least dating an older woman. so, what’s really going on here is that you’re all butthurt that the hot alpha stud you probably pined after wouldn’t give you the time of day. shaming is an attempt to create a submissive audience, because the advocate doesn’t have faith in the argument otherwise being successful., i think many men will deduce on their own that you’re interested in marriage if you’re entering the serious dating scene in your 30s. if you are surprised there are a few men in the manosphere who don’t automatically denigrate ow/ym couplings, i guess i can see that. adam, it may help to look for women a little older than mid-thirties. but i wish i was in my 30s because i like older men and i would be closer to their age so it would be more socially acceptable for me to date them *sigh*).“again, no idiot here and i don’t think of a man as a “provider. she broke a contract they both signed before god and country and he must make her whole. her credit, as messed up a girl as she was (talked the talk of being a devout christian, but had a number like 4 or 5 at age 22. she is very bitter towards her husband because she “wasted her youth” on him. as pointed out by others, allegorical examples have problems when used as proof, except that we are most confident of the reality of our own allegorical examples. doubt she randomly decided that mothering was a learned trait, and that’s really not an accurate description of her position anyway. suppose a woman find herself in the same situation and turns down a man she is not attracted to and feels no chemistry with…. the guy might say he wants kids, might even mean it, but if you break up where will the children go? of body, mind, spirit is “flat out” attractive on any type of a womans physique at any age. if the father you selected to raise a family was a stable, god-fearing man whom raised his children according to the scriptures? of course there’s nothing you can do about your height. not nearly as much as a woman’s does, stop with the bullsh*t.“and anyone who marries a divorced woman also commits adultery. she was outside of the range i was looking for and almost passed her by for that reason alone., and the other has the skeletion key to all the locked cabinets in the universe and questioning that premise could compromise his salvation. at that time she was living with the boyfriend but still was actively dating another guy, and the boyfriend knew it and she knew he knew. this is the second time i’ve come across your post where you’ve felt it was your entitlement to make the statement about ‘typical women” this and that.  in fact, most young women (20s to 30s) would prefer ryan gosling or channing tatum over their “dad” george clooney, so don’t kid yourself. finally settles down with man who carried a torch for her since high school after she (accidentally on purpose) got pregnant at age 33..You must be quite the catch to scoop up a women most men your age would rather pass on if they could help it. given your logic, reasoning ability, methodology, tactic, and “flavor/styler” – it strongly resembles many a irrational conversation with a typical american woman. i told her that despite being together for many years, we still have alot of things to do, seperate and together. you need to be there with one hand on the keyboard and one hand working your tickle spot. a woman’s really, really, really wants to marry a man, move to a military town, be height weight proportional, make a man feel valued and you’ll be married in no time. in contrast, the frequency of sexual intercourses was statistically higher and oral sex was more likely to be a dominant sexual activity in adults with bm compared with controls.–“let’s get out of here and go to another place. given a man’s unending thirst for women the possibility is that the man will accept the invitation and perhaps even turn up the date (i have to confess however that whenever i have been asked out, i always accept, and then flake – had i wanted to date them i would have asked; as i don’t, i did’t) but he will form the idea that the woman is either easy or desperate. far too many men today either are incapable of taking on such responsibility (having lacked role models in this during their own formative years) or try to avoid it (having been steeped in the adultolescent culture where shirking responsibility for as long as possible is considered a worthy goal). that the opposite is true when the man is ten years older than the woman: their respective smvs will continue to rise and fall mostly in tandem. myself to be a woman in my 30′s and a 9 currently on a scale from 1-11.– you have revealed yourself as a woman(troll) as noted by other men due to the inability to reason, inability by inference to connect the dots, blatant double standard among many other female traits ( lol – do you need to see “a study” for those female traits as well ?  but don’t put other people down just to justify your actions.. she put her career/job ahead of her social life.” a woman who got to experience many of those things as couple, just with the wrong person in the long run, but had fun and enjoyed them at the time, is probably more willing and into settling down and craving more wanting to get married and start a family and a home life. the other is my cousin, an attractive blonde now 42 years old, twice divorced, who had elective tubal ligation. there may be exceptions, but usually it turns out badly, so don’t. but there is definitely a market for young men you are very attracted to much older women – and not for their money. having said that, there are christian cfbc guys (i’m living proof) out there. for no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the lord the church: for we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.“if a woman is in her mid-thrities and is not a former carousel rider, then one has to suppose that she has been celibate for twenty years or so, yet that seems unlikely; equally the chronically insecure tend to have ‘a screw loose’, like my erstwhile would-be lover, and it is unlikely to become tightened sufficiently by her mid-thirties. further research might also inform a fuller understanding of masculinity by contrasting. a woman who wants a partner for life needs to be as directed in her romantic pursuits as she is about her career, her workout routine, or her skin care. so if both the man and woman don’t want children, the man would be looking for what other benefits the woman presents. struck me as the fascinating part of the original argument was the notion that “[t]he other group of men i would consider are men…men who would traditionally have been marriageable in their 20s but essentially dropped out of the dating/marriage market due to lack of interest from women their own age…[t]here have to be quite a few unclaimed eligible bachelors out there whom the right woman could coax back into the game. know, unknown, if you put all this advice together, asking this guy out won’t be as big of a risk if you are talking to other guys as well. if it works i will be the happiest 30 year old ever…he really is nice to me, but i do wonder how many other women he is nice to. ones interactions with others or lack of interaction regarding sexual practice alters ones personality. life is nothing more to show what type of person one is – either one is decent, virtuous, or bad, evil and many different degrees in between. notice that in support of his position the child-deprived one refers to an anthropologist by the rather odd name of hrdy (a woman) who has decided that mothering is not instinctual but learned. she’s the one who has to mother that child for the rest of her life. are other psychological factors that will lower any man’s sex drive, and lower the rigidity of his erection. families concerned about their daughters becoming “casualties” there is the option of sending her to a college in their city or earning her degree through correspondence or online..Brandon – not being attracted to every 54 year old woman you meet is one thing. for all the european countries where racists slurs are routine from the soccer crowds. maybe the gaydar is pinging because of the circle jerk all the guys here are participating in. as you explain, her mother died about the time of the wedding and her personality changed.  when people decide that others are there to fulfill their needs and expectations with no regard for the fact that the other is a person at all, there is a serious problem. it’s an “i need to possess her, protect her, care for her and keep her close” urge. of these things is not like the other:“if it’s something i’ve actually witnessed then is that not enough to be considered fact or “proof? either way, their personalities are so wrapped up in denying their beta-ness that they are demanding jerks about sex. lot of comments upthread asked the woman to evaluate what she can bring to the table for a man. the emotional stress and blame was detrimental (she blamed me for her endometriosis and inability to conceive). and the older, experienced fellas will be here for you. the number one thing a woman at 30 needs to do is lower her standards. i never much cared what other women thought of this plan of mine and for me, it worked (and in my field, i didn’t take any jobs from men either, thank goodness). you are going “to pursue”- come up with something subtle that appeals to him since you are in a minefield whether it be work or rejection (“get over with it” as a buddy from italy use to say). pragmatically eugenics doesn’t work either, no more than an all-powerful government or an all-powerful dictator. is late over here and i have not been checking my personal emails over the weekend. if she isn’t then she should either not get married or make it plain and clear in the beginning that she will not be submissive. but whether they admit it or not, they wish they could get the same from the younger girls. i feel like ever since i lost my dad, i’ve been wandering in a haze of life where the mist keeps getting thicker as i age and wonder if i’m salvageable. they are probably not the guys that typically read this blog, but they are out there. i don’t have the desire to sleep with men who look like my father. don’t know if there is a specific point where you can clearly ascribe blame to the woman. there are still plenty of 25 to 35 year old guys out there that are more appealing to those women. my theological understanding is that it is a sin, a sin i’ve repented for, and that it can stop there and be different than a pua.?By people that try to stretch every piece of information to prove their situation is the best possible, even if the data clearly point the other way?) women who come here but the reasoning is in view of a sophistic nature, and i suspect that you are using voluntary childlessness as a trojan horse to undermine the positions generally held by dalrock and contributors to and readers of the site. stated – you are red herring the inherent baby rabies drive for cfbc instead of cfbfu.. i am also a single father of 2boys who are performing above grade level expections. likewise, it seems like the fathers are more bonded to their children than the mothers 3/4’s of the time. even if you know in your heart that you’re the perfect loyal marriagable woman, you have literally nothing to convince him so, words mean nothing, and actions have yet to be known, actions that will span a good 20+ years to be considered valid proof.’m not following your logic here, or perhaps it was just a bad assumption on my part to think that there was logic to be followed.’ve dated a couple women over thirty in my early thirties, but truth is (despite the feminist myth) they didn’t have anything especially unique to offer intellectually or romantically compared to a younger woman, so i could see how, in the end, a man will probably date younger as the years go on.’m just past my mid-thirties, and to be honest, i just don’t expect that any woman who is single, in ym age range, and is still a virgin. the dating and smp world looks very different and much more constricted to a 31 year old woman than to a 21 yo woman. if that took time and you are now in your 30s, 40s etc… so be it. otherwise, they would have returned from the grocery store with groceries. a common phrase around cf communities is “i would rather regret not having a child than regret having one., casey, mikesinger, michael, greyghost, deti and others (forgive me if i left anyone out):I’d say this is the one place where true equality exists. dalrock’s is hardly the best place in the universe to come to, if you are seeking a white knight (or a mangina) although she has of course had half a dozen or so men fussing over her which was presumably her intention – some go to facebook others…. from what i can tell, you’re a 30+ woman looking for marriage. this is why i never approach the topics of marriage, sex, and love from a biological perspective, or from any perspective other than god’s truth.  there is no perfect man or woman out there…yet everyone seems stuck on looking for what does not 100% exist. about the women out there who do want, but cannot have children? my mother did the whole, “i made my bed and now i have to lie in it,” routine and i thought she was being very unfair to herself. it should not be controversial here to say that cougars like cf man’s wife are capable of deception with regard to their desirability. don’t know the tenth part of my life, or the bible or any other topic on hand. get no time off either, nor do we get sick days. because this is the root problem – most of the over 30 women getting married are marrying men less attractive than the men they fornicated with; and when you get down to it, that lack of attraction eventually surfaces in some form or another (usually vague “i’m not haaaaappy” complaints). but her sexual market value and marriage market value are simply not as high as a woman in her 20s. it’s understandable that this can seem awkward, but as others have pointed out, in today’s dating world where casual sex has kind of become the norm, it’s critical to beak that pattern by making it fairly clear early on in a firm but polite way that you are really only interested in long-term arrangements — it screens a good deal of the men for whom you are over the sex threshold but not at the mmv threshold, and actively selects for the men who are the converse. their rejection of motherhood exemplifies how modernity has given rise to wider possibilities for women to shape a fulfilling gender identity that is separate and uncoupled from the hegemonic ideal of motherhood. i agree with you there are women who passed up good men when they were younger for shallow reaons, but please don’t forget about the women who were in relationships that had to end due to be being cheated on, lied to, abused in spite of being good woman who treated their men with love and support. are they going to bond to, wheres is the biochemistry to keep them bonded & commited to each other in a long term relationship? however, what about if a woman is non-chaste but dresses and acts conservatively? following comment from cane was endorsed by novaseeker:A: “if a man and a woman date and have sex every day for a year–because they “feel in love”– they commit 365 instances of extra-marital sex. a woman says they it means they cant or they are lying /omission and will amend this later. chaste men & women of higher morality refer to this level of morality as whorish and no desire to pursue this level level of morality / relationship in marriage due the predictable consequences that will occur due to the previous behavior and the alteration of personality that occurred.  it is about treating women like breeding cattle who are there primarily to boost a man’s ego (by providing bio kids, looking “right” on his arm, fitting the profile he has invented). i’m not sure why you would expend so much time and energy debating a proven red herring, feminist, woman, or whatever else you have decided to label me. i simply asked for proof it existed and was given a bs answer and told:“false premise & red herring and dishonest (typical female) maternal instinct is not a “phenomenon” it is “hard wired instinct”. not even the well-being of her own children will keep her married to her children’s father. funny part is i’d actually forgotten that this post started with a quote from some anonymous woman requesting for advice.–“there’s two kinds of guys — the kind you date, and the kind you marry. i know that most men don’t mind a woman having less education and income than themselves, but the overwhelming majority that i’ve met expect at least some post-secondary and the ability to hold down a job. i’m not saying anything radical here: this is ephesians 5. judge us based on the vibe you get, beacuse this is an ever changing generation, in fact the first generation that has this many single woman in thier 30’s than ever before… we are all just trying to find love, and comapnionship…as you guys would like to find as well. they know their daughters need educations and jobs, if for no other reason than as a “fall back” safe position just in case she finds herself divorced. and nobody here is encouraging men to support single mothers and their children, rather the opposite. it’s likely that jdm and i don’t run in the same circles, but my experience doesn’t line up with her comment,“not a single person i know ( including my 22 year old brother) hesitate if not, as a rule they won’t go further if they find out the other is either a virgin ( well then it stops dead in its tracks) or has only slept with a few people. and then of course there were the women, who were just overlooked or never really approached for a relationship; in spite of being attactive and having a lot going for them. fidelity, stability (i’m very successful in my business, well into six figures), someone who will go to church with her, be willing to have kids with her, and who will provide for her the rest of her life…. opus pointed out, the thread here is ‘advice to a woman in her 30s looking to marry’. questionnaires and other psychological investigations may help quantify the percentage of childfree couples and document their intentions for the future; however, it is not at all easy to determine what percentage of people who consider themselves childfree forever will subsequently change their minds. i am just an alpha cad, but – and this seems the best thread to set this out – thinking about myself, in my thirties i never formed any conscious decision to marry, as an objective, and always assumed (as was the case) that the women i dated had no intention of marrying either, but just to show how difficult it must be for women in their thirties to marry, i set out below (temporary daliances excluded) the ages of the main girlfriends i had – an average of one a year – for the ages 31, 32, 33, 34, 35. best barometer simply look how a woman behaves, her friends, and her family (apples do not fall far from trees). a mother of 3 will have more experience than a new mother. worse still a woman at that age is usually married (see your stats) or divorced and if divorced may well have children and in either case is (for me – beyond pump and dump) an instant turn off.” as arguably one of those at 34, buried in his books over the past decade after early failures at gaining the attention of both catholic women (coming from secular schools and university, to cultural confusion) and secular women (approaching via chaste morality and virginity, to hilarious results), i’m still likely less successful than most of the women who i would be considering marrying (due to a mix of choice of field/career, time spent in ministries & volunteer work in lieu of overtime, and being the caretaker of my elderly father), but that’s a sad reality of many men in today’s world who have done everything right but are in a bad position. throwing peasant,Nice work picking up where i left off. for a man, often enough, thought cannot equal action, he has to wait for the woman to have the same thought.  i’ve served in the military for five years, i have very little money and a lousy paying job, i live with my mother and we share a car because i can’t afford my own car, i have significant problems relating to my military service and i’m in school working on a bachelor’s degree.  so the chances of a 41 year old woman having a baby is good. problem isn’t the men in the church – the problem is her. seriously, is that the kind of woman you’re looking to mate with? and i haven’t seen any profile of a woman who isn’t willing to go 3-5 years older than her. so yes, men will go for the drama queens, and leave you there with your ‘nice girl’ personality, no matter how good you look. i had no idea that my younger self desire for an older man (10-20 years depending on the man) was so unusual or was so repulsive to other women. the other three, the husband had waited, but the wife had not (married in their late twenties). ( sexually or otherwise) i know it was a top priority for me, and yeah i had sex before i got married, who wouldn’t. if you don’t think this situation occurs, browse through this site to see some of the many stories from mothers who had children and regret it after the fact. list of publications and peer reviewed studies is far too long to post here, but you can see for yourself if you like. and those studies about breast cancer risk for fathers in conclusive and best on the sources i’ve read. so, get a fresh start and start talking to a good cognitive-behavioral therapist who can help you sort out the irrational thoughts from the productive thoughts. any other considerations this is enough for most of christianity. hence by the time you hit the 30s’, most women have lost their virignity and have racked up “moderate” partner counts — but on the male side you’ve got a few men who have huge partner counts, and a lot of men who’ve had no sex at all, or very little. even today, there are still women (and even some men) who make this choice.’m not quite sure what you angle is on here. and my son’s mother knew how to get pregnant, but did not want to practice apply the skills needed to get married, so she did not get called up to the majors. will be ruined by her five minutes of alpha, unable to pair bond, grow chronically unhappy and eventually divorce dear hubs for cash, prizes and another turn on the carousel, shortening her childrens lives and dooming herself to a bitter singleness into old age. is the point of even having a conversation about any of this stuff when you might as well say to a woman in her 30s looking to marry:2) your transgressions have made you unworthy of love, respect and marriage. if you have a daughter, warn her to begin her husband quest at 18, not 28.–“[girlfriend’s name], i want you to meet my mom, [insert mom’s name here] and my dad, [insert dad’s name here]. i guess i’m one of those males that have given up too and would rather put the money in a foundation than making sure the alpha males genes are taking care of through future generations. she also tends to have little confidence in herself partly as one can see from these grasping relationships and partly from being only too happy to see herself as becoming less attractive and over the hill which is nonsense. perhaps adam should find the woman first and then figure out the kid issue instead of the other way ’round. as for worrying about making him feel like a placeholder, your other behavior will determine that., as a fellow woman, let me warn you to prepare yourself for a thrashing. sometimes a girl is blessed and has some good, loyal, supportive female friends, but a lot of the time, there’s ugliness, bullying, and betrayals that come from other women. i think lots of early and mid thirties women do find marriage partners that way. would not have even considered dating a woman aged over thirty, but as you see their average ages began to decline rather than increase. i know some (or most) might disagree with me on this and think it’s a bunch of romantic nonsense, but i think intimacy within marriage should not just be seen as a physical release, but also as a means for a husband and wife to grow closer to one another, hence the term, “intimacy. action has a consequences- when a woman “says she doesn’t want children”. she learns how to feel her feelings without allowing them to govern her conduct.– women that don’t want kids either cant or are lying- this cannot be denied. problem for older-woman + younger-man pairs is that it not stable in the long-term. my first love could attest to this if he were here (things didn’t work between us. fair enough but there comes a time when lists should be reviewed. there is plenty of evidence for differentiating between seriousness of a given, admittedly, mortal sin.’s advice is excellent but i wonder about his final suggestion – that a woman interested in a man should feel at ease to ask him out. so not only were men not told the truth; they discover everyone from their early life was either (1) woefully ignorant and hopelessly incompetent; or (2) malevolently lying to, defrauding, and deceiving them. she has a strong drive… she hasn’t saved herself to age 30 (with very rare exceptions. can’t even tell you how many indignant responses i get when i confront women with the fact that, well, yes, how many men they’ve had sex with affects their value as a woman and as a potential wife. further, women arent stuck up just bc they arent into you. reason i worked so hard to become who i am is (in part) to prove myself to a girl like her. however, i would put a marriage ahead of those things cause i guess i believe you work together to make it. he hears her, he listens to her, and he cares for her. that is why women chase “alpha men” it’s another or perhaps polite word for hot. cut the pressure on the woman, and i bet they will relax and not seem as intense as they do. to put it another way, could you make him want to surrender his freedom, his peace, his quiet, and ability to do what he wants, when he wants, how he wants?,,Anyway everyone shut up who cares… theres a lot more going on in life than this nonsense lol.,735 responses to advice to a woman in her 30s looking to marry.  by the same token, while i normally am pretty wide open on comments i don’t want to tee her up for a series of cat food jokes. although i understand making wishes known sooner rather than later, it’s also important for a man (and anyone for that matter) to feel valued. do a lot of women these days just don’t get the word “settling” or actually do they think if they are this ultra ultra picky they will seriously get this imaginary fantasy god like god that meets every single “requirement” on her list? i wound up with a guy eleven years my junior; and while there are a few life stage issues now in terms of where we are in our respective careers, we are wildly happy together because we both eschewed having kids and don’t feel the least bit selfish or regretful about the choices we made. in describing the pull of remaining childfree and a more radical push away from motherhood, and by articulating a rejection of motherhood as central to their sense of femininity and identity, childfree women highlight the transformative effects of agency. when we try to pin her down on exactly how her husband was abusive we are then told that these are private matters and that she has moved on, in other words she is making it up to make herself look like a victim. i’m inclined to say it was always her responsibility even though she was completely being led in the wrong direction. the problem here is that the term “alpha male” seems to be centered around physical condition. we became intimate and very close, lived together, vacationed together,  we were all but married on paper.  i know another man who fell head over heels in love with a woman five years older than him. think that absolutely there are women in their 30s who believe in love and marriage. about this for non-sequitor: ‘i’ll be honest [which part of her messages by the way aren’t honest] ‘i am not reading all the replies’ and then later ‘i thank those who have been posting tips i will be taking them to heart’. some women come with kids already and there is always adoption. a result of her cheating, she cuckolds her husband with a child who is not his, of course he doesn’t know what’s going on. i would have never found my wife by going out to bars, but because she was living in a very rural area she expanded her search radius and found me. i’m not looking for a girl in her 30’s, but i’m still a guy at heart…and can outwork, outplay, out-earn and (surprisingly? think you might have missed my point – humility, morals, all encompassing femininity is very becoming and will raise any woman a couple points in my book (most men as well). we know she is without issue and has no desire for a family, although we have no idea about her n number [how many guys she has shagged before you] abortions or stds. i will have to start from scratch teaching her my expectations, expecting her trust and submission; when she has never done these things and i can expect fighting and resistance and pushback and failure every step of the way. marriage, in the end, is the taking of a vow, the joining of two people to make a family, who then have certain roles and benefits that they are then to bestow on the other. i seriously did see a statistical study showing somewhere between 5-10 years being “healthy” age gap. men really want is a nice looking woman, who stays in-shape and grows old gracefully.’m finding that when we get all the way down to the bottom of the points of most women who comment in and around the sphere, they break down into three basic categories. are 2 small examples of the red flags that some men here are referring to. i don’t know if it’s that the opinion of women in general around here is low, and so the expectation when a female poster comes along with a seeming sob story is that she’s likely to be hiding a dagger behind her back … and i’m not looking for sympathy, but it feels like i’m being picked apart because i was the female in the equation. perfect,” but certainly there has to be someone better than all the misogynists out here. but if you are a person of faith, or would like to learn, go there and be honest with people about where you are in your beliefs. is there a point when they get tired of waiting and go for other women who may be less attractive but who put out quickly? and if you aren’t here to help women do that, to find love, then you are here for the wrong reasons. even ashton kutcher divorsed demi moore before she reached 50…and ‘they were in love’.  women can physically conceive and give birth up until menopause, which typically happens in a woman’s 50s and 60s. in my opinion, a woman who doesn’t want to have children doesn’t really have any reason to be getting married… outside of vanity. it seems that all men commenting here releasing accumulated aggression towards women. i know that this is true of any comment anywhere. men can’t ever make 6 figures and of those who do, it usually takes them til their 40s to get there. — is that it begs the question of why on earth would a woman want a man on those terms? dead giveaway is how these women come on here and write a paragraph about the one that got away.@perspective — “and then of course there were the women, who were just overlooked or never really approached for a relationship; in spite of being attactive and having a lot going for them. i know this man in his 30s…nothing physical has happened between us. women (attractive, lots going for them) were literally surrounded by decent guys who would’ve made good husbands and fathers. virginal woman without strong masculine men to dominate her & balance her, becomes highly dysfunctional & damaged goods. and you know this and have chosen a path as a man as others have under the guise of churchianship to not do anything to change that. i for some reason think couples should stick to there same age category within reason. nothing is more attractive in a woman that a proper lady that is a nympho in private. you’re argumentative and will rationalize everything away with ease instead of really looking deeper, or accepting you totally fucked something up somewhere…that’s when you actually get heated on here. i think there’s a certain type of guy u want, and if he doesn’t approach u, then nobody else is good enough. some dried up old whore lands a guy way above her market value she immediately thinks she can do better, mr white knight is beneath her. props if you’re actually a woman and was able to construct a post like that. they want to feel the maximum pleasure and pride when they are young, then they want a man-servant to give them a child and be financially responsible for the child, and to care for any bastards they’ve had on the way there. it is that men don’t know what “attraction” for a woman is or what it means.” the question becomes whether a man seeking marriage to a woman over 30 wants his wife to bear his children. really believe the only way a marriage can stay together is for both parties to have integrity. the wife was in her early to mid 30s and the husband was in his mid 20s. if most men prefer younger women, then wouldn’t a younger man (unless he likes older women) be even more resistant to an older woman than a man her own age?’s there for a couple to commit to, if they have no children? he also works as a mechanic, handy man, massage therapist and martial arts teacher. you can tell by the way he carries him self around her. a choice that you, and a vast majority of people here see as the wrong choice, but nevertheless it is a choice that i and many others like me are happy with. also, mothers should be putting their children first (most of them will admit this) – if so, i’d just be a second fiddle… and any children i had with her would be competing with her first-borns. such a woman might get married and even have children, but long term, it’s not going to provide for a quality or long lasting marriage. alternatively, they may simply believe that men with inferior status and earning power offer few advantages and therefore do not merit their (the women’s) investment.: you sound like a practical woman who knows what she wants and what she doesn’t., not sure if you were serious about your suggestion in your above comment to me on july 22 about using the cfbc groups as a meet and greet, but based on your assessment in your comment above to lyn87 on july 23, on how you feel cfbc groups would be a “gold mine for mgtow type to mine pussy,” i really don’t think that would be a suitable place for me or any other marriage-minded gal to look for a potential spouse. think that is particularly so if the parties do not want children, with that contract covenant removed; the woman may need to go older to find a man who doesn’t want children; and the man will look for younger (as he instinctively does if the plumbing is functional). are women capable of anything other than sympathising with other women – or is it that back-handed type of sympathy of which dalrock has sometimes written – where they gloat over their would-be rivals misfortune under the guise of sympathy? this does not leave a whole lot of time for a significant other. after we broke up ( myself being a monogamist my entire life) i decided not to enter another committed relationship. if we’d just dated, who knows if we’d still be together not even 4 years later (and you know from my above posts that i’m dead set against entering known-in-advance barren marriages). the information provided regarding history, morality, and lifestyle allow me to suggest that there was quite a bit of duress that leveraged “by choice” of the cfbc as well as other women. go out and make eye contact and smile lose weight if you need to feel confident and know in your heart you are a pleasant woman. therefore: the slut was there all along, as surely and as vilely as in the bar slut. with higher ses have higher socioeconomic standards for their male partners (townsend 1989, 1998; wiederman and allgeier 1992). both of your tones are so aggressive that they just blended together for me. in most cases a woman 4-5, even 10 years younger will still know some of these things. the fantasy project on to a woman when you see her always seem to be better than actually having her around especially when her tingle for you wears off. can use morality to explain why humans do certain things, such as not marry a woman in her mid 30s that has been partying for 15 years, but not amount of moral argument is ever going to be more powerful than the fact that men are biologically more attracted younger and more fertile females that have done less damage to their bodies over the years. my stepfather had connections to help me get summer jobs, as well, and i screwed those up because i didn’t do the work. pride that was so weak it could not survive a woman. most men learn the hard way that it gets you nowhere……and find unknown happiness in walking away from the game.’s why there were so many angry responses to alert’s post. beatiful at 40’s guy would have known from the very start that he’d have higher odds of having a kid with women in their 30s rather than 40s. to do so would damage the feminine imperative, where men must lead, and woman can do whatever they want. remember you’ve only been here at dalrock’s for less than a week…. is useful to point out that the two do not have the same value, neither to the man nor the woman. my comment was meant to point out to single men that this part of your life story should be a big red flag when considering a woman as a mate.’ve had sex with one woman outside of marriage, now that i’ve done that i should turn myself into a pua?“are women capable of anything other than sympathising with other women – or is it that back-handed type of sympathy of which dalrock has sometimes written – where they gloat over their would-be rivals misfortune under the guise of sympathy? even now in her early 30’s, don’t want children. but i guess with the ex in question – a prominent leader in the church where i met him, and being told by him that our relationship would lead to marriage – i thought i had picked a good man. there were a lot of women who were presented to me by female friends (usually wives of male friends, as i was the holdout bachelor in a large group of male comrades) who were unacceptable to me. there you will see spewing nastiness with less than half the facts you will read on this website.“cbfc people (especially cbfc women) get screwed by feminism pretty badly too, since feminism insists on special privileges for mothers… much to the detriment of the child-free. other than that, age has not been a factor at all. when a woman perceives she has “the power” it spoils whatever beauty she possess despite outward attractiveness.– my question regarding how it would be possible for women to stop having children after just 1 or 2 is “far too broad brushed”, involves spousal decision as well as many other variables. a man is desperate he’s pathetic, if a woman is desperate she’s a victim. although i think it’s quite possible that women who voluntarily choose to not have children sometimes think about what it would have been like to be mothers, and perhaps even feel some regret, i think that most are at terms with their decision and have done so with resolve. i mean i hope its a troll, otherwise she is definitely in the running for the deluded narcissist of the year award. i really don’t want to be the dickhead who tries with an older woman, for a couple of years – puts in time on the relationship, maybe get really heart-entangled – and then have to break the news to her that it’s divorce time because she’s infertile, and that i need to go try again with someone younger. a pity this realization only occurs sometime between their first dip on their social life chart and and frantically googling “how to get married at 30” or “how to get married over 30” and ending up here. a man convinces a woman to live with her, promises her the world, and decides at some point before entering into the marriage that he gets to cash in on the sex part of the contract…takes what little dignity she may have left before meeting him…destroys her hope and ability to function…crushes every good opinion she’s had about him and men in general…the man shouldn’t be held accountable, because the woman made her bed and lied in it with him. and if she wasn’t providing him with what he wanted, then why not just break up with her?’d rather be contentedly single then miserably married, but i still hope one day to at least be contentedly married. all she has now is living at home with her mum, no bloke on the horizon and works as a pa. am the regular white knight at this blog, and i am perfectly prepared to take at face value and without your even having to post a photo (this is assuredly not a dating site even with, as you say, so many miserable wretches) that you are indeed drop-dead gorgeous, that there is no difference between yourself as a 30 year old drop-dead gorgeous woman and your 20 year old pouting-nymphet self and that it is merely male misogyny that has constantly shown the average age of the miss world winner to be just under 23. i am not 40 but i do love older women, and yes i would settle down with and older woman, 5-10 years older isn’t a huge gap as some are trying to make it seem. i’m single and about to turn 29, so i’m close to my 30s, but not quite yet. the issue isn’t that baking is bad; the problem is when baking is your destiny because you don’t have other options. a young woman that bases her self esteem on her beauty has no genuine base. and, of course, they snub those guys,… and claim in the next breath that there are “no men” available. i never heard this type of comment from my mother. the other may live in a completely different and opposite societal context, that no whim may be acted on. he may change if the woman is worth it, but since i can’t hold my breath that long, i’d be on to the next one. but you chose to ignore those and focus on the 2 or 3 where i validated the op, who happened to be a man. it’s critical, because these are the women who will be having a substantial impact on your wife and her decisionmaking, most often when it comes to … you. with men over 50, a pregnancy was twice as likely to end in the loss of a baby vs younger fathers. man here knows and had an idea it was not easy. any woman her that is thirty and single and would ask a question like that, you need to be 30 plus for ever and single for any man that makes a commitment to a woman like that is getting burden and nothing else.’ve dated single mothers after my own divorce 8 years ago; i’m 44. do you and another men consider a woman with divorced parents to be a deal breaker? a woman’s career, income, and education does indeed matter to a lot of men. it may not be they norm, but not quite exceptions eithers as there are still many30+ women who find themselves in such unions. they are not looking to be a vehicle to your dna or come to websites designed to help them find love, only to find men like you here you clearly are not interested in helping women find love. friend of mine once made the mistake of marrying a woman like this. mentioned “ad nauseum” – there is a reason why or she is lying. in fact there was a 24% decrease in people saying children are “very important” to a successful marriage between 1990 and 2007. my brother has only 2 daughters (no sons) and that is exactly what he is teaching them. they–and you here–are claiming it as some sort of moral high(er) ground. many times the damage is concealed and doesn’t reveal itself until it’s too late, and sadly even she herself doesn’t know about the damage or its extent. permit me to ask a obvious question:Is there any time in history that shows women “choosing to remain childless” ? btw, most men also want a woman who will “provide” – leaving men as contributors in what way, exactly? this puts you in a very different situation when compared to a couple where neither partner desires children. but we are in our 30s and the man won’t man up. adding the princess mentality and entitlement (and other go grrrrl stuff) is like adding nos to an engine already designed for the purpose of going fast. this gives men time to court, fall in love, travel together, move in, get engaged, and enjoy a few years of childless marriage before starting a family., there is a broad documented history of catholic nuns over the centuries who has avowed to chastity and hence childless. this makes sense of why she feels like she has been treated as a whore by her ex-boyfriend.. a miracle in itself if you waited to your 30s to wed vs. moreover, as a hollywood actress in her 30’s, she has made an effort to keep herself in shape. i forgot there was no point in me doing so. is mentally & emotionally bonded to this guy, she will never be able to let him out of her head & emotions. he also mentioned about looking in the mirror and wondering what can be done to make her (wife) happy since having everything – nothing makes her happy (typical woman).. when describing herself, she uses the adjectives “fun” and “likes to have a good time” and “enjoys travel”., a woman from a broken home doesn’t know how to submit in a healthy way. feminine women (ie chastity seen mostly middle eastern culture) is incredibly attractive and much different than sexual attraction.  she turned him down at first because of the age difference, but he pursued her and now they are happily married and he was the most joyful groom i have ever seen ! lots of of other 30 years olds found guys in that group. he makes me feel like the most special woman in the world. considering that any woman with an functioning uterus can have a child in this day and age – and be supported by the state – the fact that so many do not should be a big clue that they are simply choosing not to for a variety of reasons. do chores for her, go to a shitty job the rest of my life, pretend to listen to her bat shit crazy ramblings, etc.) i am a hero for pointing this out well after the damage has already been done.”  i would love her with all my heart, and try to be the best father to our children that i can be. and if they feel they’re not good enough, it can be difficult to open up to another person and sustain a relationship. when you have been married, had at least one child, supported your family, and faced a culture which will try to destroy all of that through laws that support frivolous divorce, which will leave your children fatherless and hence spiritually, emotionally and quite likely physically impoverished, then by all means feel free to share your wisdom. according to stats dalrock has put up and analyzed here in expert fashion, men’s age at first marriage is creeping up and the number of men never marrying is creeping up too., a bit of the original advice from dalrock was this – ” the other group of men i would consider are men younger than you”. i can only presume it’s because the guy does or says something on the first date that repulses her – like says he’s in love with her. in mind the name of the column is “advice to a woman in her 30’s looking to marry? but quite frankly, some of us took longer than others to discern the lies. the major difference is women have a “education” and hence can inflict more damage when angered (hell hath no fury like a woman scorned 2. i an curious as to what others assume my situation might be. i personally believe that a huge part of female happiness is being a mother.. women don’t know the difference between their sexual market value, which is usually a point or two higher than their marriage market value. even after that it took me another 2 years to break up with her, because i really did love her anyway. waiting to remarry a childless woman or a woman with grown children when the woman is in her late thirties/early forties and he is in his late forties/early fifties. either they’ve no intention of waiting til marriage, or, perhaps they are trying to protect themselves against the consequences in case they “lose control” of themselves and it “just happens. agree that a woman over 30 having one (or even most) of the following that you’ve mentioned such as:…”a house/condo (or two) that is/are paid for (or at least, one with substantial equity). i’m interpreting their numbers correctly, a woman in her early 20s is fertile 20-25% of the month (about 7 days each month). here’s the secret, ladies:Your sexual marketplace value is determined by the caliber of men who are prepared to commit to you, not the men who are prepared to have sex with you. i was a cynical sort, i would be acknowledging legal marriage as this:“for a man, getting married today means you’ll probably either win small or lose big…” – lyn87. should really be added to the bible somewhere………preferably near the front. she drank and cheated on a bf; odds are she could drink and cheat on her husband. to the rest, enjoy your corner on the world wide web, and i’m terribly sorry i came across this place to intrude where i could never be welcome. her to the group of never married women who never got a serious proposal (all educated / rank 8-10/$$$,big cities ) and wondering where all the “good men are at ? my argument in fact is quite the other way around. a good example was the woman who had wearing sandals as a deal breaker. there are always outliers, oddballs, exceptions that prove the rule.,,thus far i haven’t talked about black women who are a complete train wreck in this country and i won’t consider them for even dog catcher at this point. they think they are smart by building up a career first, but they are all incredibly stupid  because the truth is there isn’t really such a thing as having a child too early in life., after taking the red pill, and letting some of my natural alpha come out…i find that there are virtually no women around who want a traditional marriage. i know have learned through experience that while you still have to be choosy, you will feel much more cherished by a slightly older man. there is  mounting amount of evidence that the ” cougar phenomena” is b. last dating experiences took place when i was in my mid-30s under the final days of the old regime, before the hook up culture took firm root. but, in discussion, the look on her face when i was talking about a sahm was amazing…. if you are in a situation where the majority of men approaching you are men you used to reject, then i don’t know if there is any help. i know the ex-husband but he hasn’t opened up to me about the situation saying, “i had a good woman and i screwed up”. however, what happens if they meet a woman who they would like to become involved with, but she’s saving herself for marriage? theres still a little bit of free juice left to extract. as far as other bits of racism in europe, during the european championships to qualify for the world cup in ukraine, some ukrainians barked racial slurs at some of the african players. a significant number of women marry in their 30s and (to a lesser degree) in their 40s and beyond. however, (and you may think this sounds naive and unrealistic) but aren’t there ways to work around it?: i have no doubt you hold no sympathy for either men, or men’s rights. others will shoot up their schools, murdering dozens of innocent people along the way or commit acts of terrorism. basically, why tf should a red-pill man marry unless he is sure he wants children, and with that particular woman? you didn’t ask for your circumstances and it is perfectly normal and natural –indeed, god-ordained– for you to be seeking a husband and father figure for your son. as mentioned “whatever brings two people together” will keep them together or break them apart. (oh, and i’m a professional, married with two toddlers, and one more coming next year, so the “no woman could ever want a hater hater like you! aknowledge to them that you understand that a woman is asking far too much of a man by asking him to play russian roulette with his future.  you might also be disappointed when she rather go out clubbing than stay home and cook you dinner. just made the case for a blind universe where “things just do things”. he will most likely not allow her to ride rough shod over him and there will have to be some give and take. if that’s the lifestyle you’re after, then you really are talking about a child-free lifestyle rather than adapting to your personal circumstances., what has that young man done to you that you would want him to throw away his life and become a slave to the state and the whims of a woman? autism is on the rise and has been linked to older fathers. are many ways for a woman to encourage a man. the problem isn’t marriage: the problem is you thought you and her and we were good enough. in fact, he declared that a wife who calls 9-1-1 is doing the “loving” thing when she summons men to do violence on her behalf to the man she vowed to submit to. 45 and have been looking for woman to start a family with since i was 38, things just haven’t worked out the way i hoped. she had 4 babies, and one miscarriage, starting in her late 30’s. there’s a reason men rave about b-girls even though they aren’t (imo) terribly cute. there is certainly no such definition for “relatively rare,” which is what i wrote.) that she accept that she may not be able to use her own eggs for all (or perhaps any) of their children, and explicitly tells phs this.  i was growing increasing frustrated that the only women interested in  me where either:Had children, never married. if your daughters think they love the older guy then there is not much you can do as you may loose the daughters.) all men are being blamed for the conduct of a small minority over whom we have no control whatsoever, other than legal prosecution after the fact. first, you mentioned that your wife is several years older than you, (which i don’t think there’s anything wrong with) but just curious if her age was/is ever an issue for you? but prove yourself over time, interact with others and inquire about their lives…. return to the title of this post, i think the best thing a woman in her early thirties can do to find herself a husband is to watch younger women and try to emulate their general warmth, friendliness, and energy.“if we’re going to insist that everything everyone here writes adheres to the most strict possible use of each term according to some ambiguous definition you vaguely recall from statistics 101”. and he was not only into you, but into alot of many other women while u were away. when word gets round that a woman is a slut, men cease producing flowers and wining and dining; and make blunt propositions. a woman’s greatest gift to the family and the one she was made by god for is emotional cheer for her family.  the humility i mentioned before and a painfully honest self assessment of your smv will probably come in handy here. this isn’t diagnosing a car problem – this is dealing with the real people in the real world where there are many shades of grey. i used to date guys but figured out a few years ago that i would much rather be with…. also helped put a roof over my grandmother and buy my mother a place to live. most women can have sex with men whose smvs are much much higher than theirs, probably up to 5 points higher. as a woman a smart move to “save” marriage (and this goes for you wannabe christians actual churchians calling yourself traditional saving civilization) would be rather than play pick the right woman games have the laws of misandry removed ., i wouldn’t consider either your age or the fact that you have a young son to be “strikes against” you. maybe there was a typo neither of us could detect., he had timothy “as a son in the faith” indicating spiritual fatherhood. think of the life two people past their mid-30s can share when they remove the burden of having kids. of people here have gone ‘red pill’ marine corp drill instructor on this unfortunate woman eva, and although it must be said ‘not without cause’. it speaks rather non-traditional of me that i’m among more than a few men who, after more than a decade of living alone and taking care of one’s own place (yes, men can vacuum and do dishes), would be perfectly willing to be the stay-at-home parent for a growing catholic family at least part/much of the time if his former-longterm-single wife had a career in which she had invested a long time, was far more lucrative, and which she did not yet want to completely give up (forgive me if i feel that women as well as men can have both a vocation as a spouse/parent as well as a telos as a productive member of society beyond the walls of the home — it merely means that the couple needs to work together that more closely to see the both the husband’s and wife’s small-v vocations alike supported). now, if pretending to have made no mistakes, having no regrets, is all just a bit of attempted self deception, and the mistakes made are actually known, there’s no need to dwell on them. left her first husband of whom she had two kids for a “alpha” and committed the classic “feral / hypergamous” fling of the highest proportion (the guy was a bouncer / body builder for madonna of whom she trapped with a child out of wedlock. you are surely very desirable but hardly demonstrating testosterone-driven desire for a woman. i think it’s far more important to find the woman who views being a parent in the future as important a goal as you do…. indeed, future research could explore the ways cultural discourses associated with motherhood may never have adequately explained women’s subjective experiences. (she and her husband never discussed kids; it was only after she married that she discovered she never ovulated and her husband didn’t want kids because of a family history of hereditary diseases. i ask, is this yet another game/pua technique that models itself after the behavior of women? i thought that since i was an attractive, fit, well-educated, financially and emotionally secure guy that i would have no problem finding a woman in her mid 30s to settle down with and start a family. other women down market also have a high opinion of themselves even if society doesn’t, think porn stars and i live in the san fernando valley, so dating them when you catch them at strip clubs or local watering holes is a total possibility. she views relationships as more disposable because, well, her own parents ended their marriage. a woman in her 30’s has fallen into the well. respect that you’re an mra and a father who loves his children and wants the best for them. this helps, though it’s probably not any more insightful than other comments. you read up a little higher, you will see mention of young women not wanting to date older guys who didn’t get their act together sooner., where does it say in any of my posts that i personally have been passed over? the woman who gets with the jock in high school but then marries the accountant is responding to her immediate needs. the children of older fathers have increased risks of breast cancer for their daughters by 60%, they increase the risk of epilepsy by 30%, they increase the risk of down syndrome by 37%, the risk of childhood leukemia is increased by 14%, the risk of nervous system cancers aka brain tumors is increased by 70%., jen, and any other 30 & 40 year olds looking to marry a good man,I think a lot of posters here have been overly pessimistic and negative about your chances of finding a good man to marry. the smoker chose to do that to himself, whereas the children of divorced parent’s were born into it and had no say in the matter. if jane was failing to start a career, go vacationing, move in upper class circles, and so on, then what exactly was she doing, that prevented her from finding a soul mate.

Dating a woman in her forties

oh and donalgraeme is a thoughtful blogger, i don’t think his post treated you as a spectacle at all, you may be imagining something that’s simply not there. afterall, what self-respecting woman would take all the things that women exceed men at, and proceed to devalue them? it might be that some women think this, but i can’t see her making the same mistake over and over and over again – sex with hot alpha leads to either (1) pump and dump or (2) str of no more than a few months or (3) rarely, a position in a soft harem — without figuring out that her strategy of “sex leading to relationship” isn’t working very well. the import into her hamster mind is that it will always be available. in the age group you are looking, i know for a fact there are thousands of young ladies in central and south america, southeast asia and former soviet countries that would love to meet you and develop a relationship. yes, there is some risk, but how badly do you want to really fall in love with the future mother of your child(ren)? meanwhile, she is happy to receive attention from a younger man, who won’t commit to her. louisiana and new york prohibit the exclusion of coverage for a medical condition otherwise covered solely because the condition results in infertility. prenatal tests have also helped in that couples can know whether or not a fetus will have any genetic abnormalities or defects such as down syndrome. bad we were not back in the old roman days, when women were virtuous everywhere and whores were hidden in whore-houses, and men were taught to be men. someone explain why “going to church” is not listed as advice to an unmarried women in her 30s?, despite her desperate pleas if he wants her to become anything more than a sexual girlfriend he’ll ask her to marry him at his own pace. i am thankful to have someone to spend time with and enjoy experiences with but the longer we date the more clear it is becoming that it is painful for me to build something with a person who is not interested in making a permanent commitment to a shared future together. with your assumptions about me and speculation of my future and i will continue enjoying the life that i have chosen for myself with a wonderful woman. i know that they want the hot 23-27 year old (who makes her own money preferably). a man’s list, (in this case michael’s) physical attraction is high on the list of ‘must haves’……and i don’t consider that any more unique than i do a woman’s desire for a man that makes good money. there are certainly draw-backs to marrying a traditionalist man, but there are draw backs to marrying an egalitarian as well. i’ll make a note of this somewhere at the back of last year’s diary.” perhaps this is true in a few cases but i’d bet that most of them are on it for another reason. many sites encourage you to say what you’re searching for, and while some women in their mid-30’s might have their initial interest peaked by what he has to offer, they’re not sure where they stand on such an issue and so they pass. say you went from the first guy to another and then one more….  my sense is that the biggest challenge women tend to face in her position is the change in attraction which can come from being with men who aren’t likely to want to marry her. went on a 32 month break from dating back during my separation, divorce, and it continued till i felt i was ready to date again, and now i’m rolling into my 15th month of being on another and maybe a permanent hiatus after being back into the dating game since winter late fall of 2009. thankfully, i am a traditional woman (to an extent) so it worked out.? we’ll see i guess…it takes effort to achieve any kind of success out here. am ashamed for many of you on account of how you treated this woman, no matter what possible faults or discrepancies on her account you allude to. was and will always to some degree be devastated at having lost my spouse after what did not feel like a very long run together. traditional perspectives, of course, see the two as inseparable (balmer 1994), with russo coining the term „motherhood mandate‟ in 1976 to. personally i have been blessed with still looking like i am in my 20s but that is another matter 😉 people are living well into their 80s and provided you look after yourself there is nothing negative about being over 30. you seem stuck with an idea of a woman as some depreciating asset. of this is predicated on her being somewhat mobile in terms of employment. you’re a plain, unattractive working stiff woman who couldn’t secure commitment from the hot alpha you wanted for sex and marriage. it was directed at the person mention in the article but it seems everybody wants to get personal when i point out that women in america are not the cat’s meow and that other possibilities exist. it’s not universal, nor is it common, but neither is it unheard of. the couple’s son les brown jr said that 94-year-old helen brown died on july 16 and 94-year-old les brown died on july 17 in southern california…. but i read a lot of philosophical books, because there was a time that i focused obsessively on getting married, to my own detriment. a man to be sexually experienced, generally makes him more appealing to women (even religious women who in theory should prefer a virgin man… though there are a few exceptions.“a woman coming from a divorced family contributes to a lack of morals on her part. jls assumes she will find a man in a similar position to her: he was hot and popular in his 20’s, spent 7 years with a girl who “wasn’t right for him” and is now looking for a slightly less passionate love story, a life companion. looks like even with all of daddy’s work connections (hey daddy worked hard to throw other more qualified and accomplished people out of work so you could take flopsy to the south of france! other reasons were that i could tell i wasn’t interested – she didn’t smell or feel or “taste” right. if the world is your oyster and you can get hot women well into your 40s and the dating market favors you, why do you seem so consumed with tearing down the women here?“a 30 plus year old woman with the eyes i have now is not marriage material on the face of it. that there should be a reason for men to be so much aggressive towards women and my guess is that they don’t get what they want, maybe it was too harsh to call them “loosers”, but still. i haven’t labeled her a whore, but clearly pointed out that she’s been living as a whore. then i think to myself, the only reason is because of the consequences from her age, and watching her options shrink (yet still lying to herself oblivious of how men actually feel/see her at 30 vs. that’s a good way for women either or both of sub-9s/older than mid-twenties to find themselves at 50 childless and alone (but for their 10 cats), wondering just when their prince charming will come., i’ve heard and observe the tendency for people to become more set in their ways as they age, but i’ve also seen the opposite, where some are able to mature and overcome a lot of the foolishness that afflicted them when they were younger, more naive and less experienced (and i mean life experience, not sexual). and if so, what was it that made you overcome that and go on to date and marry her? like your electrical engineering class, there are certain irrefutable laws of physics that are not going to rescind themselves because someone ‘feels’ it should be that way. i’m doing this because of how grossly misrepresented childfree women are here and want to set the record straight. perhaps you were thinking of darling where she plays the ultimate in hypergamous women – or dr zhivago, where she plays yet another slut or far from the madding crowd, which i have not seen – another slut – you get the picture.-yes if it’s your wife and your child and she married you during her prime years. but don’t wait too long, once you hit your mid-30s, you’re probably not going to be able to have kids and you won’t be as attractive to real men. i have not been able to make such a deep connection with anyone but i know i can only be with someone i love as much as her. would say one way to think of it, dalrock, is for people to recognize that there is a difference between their smv and their mmv — that is, between your sexual market value and your marriage market value.  as the old joke goes:  you don’t have to beat the bear, you just have to beat the other camper. team woman only looks after their own when it is their personal best interest. just want to point out, that any woman who goes the lawyer up and sue route for a perceived transgression is a huge red flag!” when she asked what i found attractive in a woman .’re either a no-sack having white knight mangina screwup, or a woman eternally living in fantasyland. male promiscuity is not only not necessarily unattractive to women but has far less serious consequences for men than for women – we are the catch; we do not have to marry if we do not wish to – so women have to make marriage worth a man’s while, and promiscuity is not a deal maker (other than for pump and dump). where have i ever claimed to be an expert on much besides my profession, power lifting and myself? it’s like to be a woman in online dating.” yes, you can go ahead and call me clueless, but i still believe that if it’s a good match,there’s a high chance of the marriage lasting.“a virginal woman without strong masculine men to dominate her & balance her, becomes highly dysfunctional & damaged goods”. compared to a lot of women out there, you’re in good shape. you had a dime for every women who came shrieking in here screaming “not what i expect from christians ifhjefuiwnhfidqwieqweb”, would you listen when the world came to your door begging you to release the global supply of copper? virginal woman, outside of a traditional patriarchial society, is worthless. in both cases where i filed lawsuits (specifically because it was such a big deal), the party i was suing cut me a check for all that i asked for just hours before we went to trial (that way they didn’t have to pay a lawyer to show up in court to represent them in what would have been a sure loser for them. suppose there could be women who feel bad about themselves because the type of men they’re most attracted to don’t seem to give them the time of day. are plenty of women online in their late 30’s who already have kids and don’t want more or maybe would like to have more kids that will date men in their early 40’s but of course those 40 something guys have to be “hotter”,”richer”,better job etc than their 30 something counterpart. if you peruse dozens of other emails written by clueless men, you can see when i gave them the smack down. and actually there are studies that have shown that older women often have more intelligent children. one of the members cheated on his spouse, and the extended family performed an intervention and got the couple back together. mentioned, women that don’t want kids either cant or are lying- this cannot be denied. my mother suffers from narcissism and is quite abusive, even and especially when she’s being worshiped like she demands. her marriage market value is determined by the caliber of men who are willing to commit to you, not the men who are prepared to have sex with you. just to be clear from the start, i did my research and came back here to discuss the subject of being childfree and will not respond to other issues because i don’t feel it’s worth my time. first time either fox news or cnn were mentioned in this thread of 1400+ comments was in your post accusing me of speaking about them. she squanders her own money, why should she be trusted with the fruit of a man’s labor? we fear that in ten years, when you are, say, 44, your wife, by then, a saggy menopausal 51, and your looks and height still attractive to women in their twenties, that you may be motivated to stray, which without the motivation a family might bring to stiffen your resolve – for what could possibly be stopping you – will lead you to do just that, which would of course be quite unfair on your wife, and she – frankly then past her sell-by-date – will be left unhappy and unable to do much about it, other than to divorce. what’s more unsettling is the people here trying to help her find a man to help raise her illegitimate children. you have been brainwashed your entire lives into believing that the only woman worth desiring is a young one. point of this post was advice to a woman in her 30s looking to marry.  while it is not the norm, or what is typical, there are some successful older woman/younger man pairings, if they are happy, it’s not mine or anyone else’s place to tell them that they are full of s***. the difference between the woman in her early 20s and the one in her early 30s is that the younger one can often get marriage on her terms whereas the 30 year old woman is probably going to marry an older man than the 20 year old will be. she either ages out or “cheats” and the chump knows it isn’t his.  she wanted to marry him very badly, and he told her to forget about it unless she gave him a child. in their 30s think they should marry men practically the same age as themselves.“i’ve had sex with one woman outside of marriage, now that i’ve done that i should turn myself into a pua? they have given hope to legions of women who would have at one time thought they had let the opportunity of motherhood slip by. i agree that yes there are some older men that have the same negatives as the younger guys. to an extent, these things can be demonstrated by a pleasant demeanor, smiling, looking and acting feminine, but my guess is a woman who is actually able to vocalize her appreciation and love is the one who often most clearly and perhaps effectively gets those feelings across. i think you`ve done a good job throughout this thread presenting your stance, but it seems as though some of whom you`ve debated with are just not ever going to accept or believe that there actually is more than just an extremely small percentage of women who don`t ever want to have children simply because they don`t want to. and that’s a transition that, i think, can be quite hard for some women to make if they become used to dating higher smv men than the men in their smv peer banding. the i and o are right next to each other on the touch screen, and i didn’t proof read?’s client paid to join great expectations and eharmony but doesn’t follow thru and meet the men they set her up with?’s a good, family oriented woman and that’s why my buddy married her. so you shit on her – because you are a useless sack-of-shit and that’s all you got. course there will be guys that will bend over your needs and they’ll modify their plans to stick with yours… but you don’t want them… that’s not the alpha you want. first, even if one has been sober or clean for years, it’s possible they could for them to become addicted again, second, while i’m no expert on the subject, i have read that addiction or rather addictive personality can be passed on to offspring, so there could be a future risk to not only the stability of their marriage, but also the health and well being of their children. dare say your last name is probably indeed hyphenated, displaying to all the castration your father received at the hand of your mother. because there is an entire subsection of society that will be more than happy to have sex with a hot woman and pay her to leave. it may not guarantee it, (and i don’t think there’s really anything that does) but i believe it would definitely be a start. i don’t necessarily think a woman who marries without wanting children is what you define as a “phreak.. many women have nothing to offer other than their bodies. but like i said contrary to popular opinion with people that read my comments on here, women like me. otherwise each time we addressed any topic we’d have to send lengthy surveys and do interviews of everyone involved or mentioned so we could consider said as individuals. i know a lot of guys in their mid-late 20s that are in committed relationships and have already had kids. in fact, i think dating in your 30s is actually pretty rad! single-mom rates herself as “hot” and “very attractive” because her friends told her, or the “dating experts” determined this “scale” and her ego (edging out god) took over. in marriage, there is neither to inspire the wife to behave well.“…children from a fatherless home are:5 times more likely to commit suicide. uncle was divorced twice and he still found a decent woman to marry him, third time a charm (hope his kids are that lucky.” you have to love yourself whether you are 21 with full lips and perky breasts or whether you are 31 and single or 45 and nearing menopause. adherents of feminism have had a miscontrued and misguided concept of what feminism is really about and that might account for some of the negativity directed towards the movement. she can more then empathize when her daughter calls her from college at 22 and is stressed about a dating/relationship situation or upset. is true that there are a distressingly large number of false accusations (see, for example, the innocence project, which has unmasked many such. the question is whether those attractive females actually are attracted to the men willing to marry them. and it is very easy to strike up a conversation since, as a woman, you need advice on the best wood-glue, or power saw or whatever., if a woman were to assess a man’s worth by his height or bank account she would be judged as shallow at best and likely with a barrage of other insults at worst. it might be that some women think this, but i can’t see her making the same mistake over and over and over again – sex with hot alpha leads to either (1) pump and dump or (2) str of no more than a few months or (3) rarely, a position in a soft harem — without figuring out that her strategy of “sex leading to relationship” isn’t working very well. the author surveyed over 4000 people without children, whether by choice or by circumstance and continues to do so today, adding to the stats. i agree it’s true that some people (both men and women) have a hard time with self-control, but there’s also those who do somehow manage to keep their raging hormones in check until marriage. and you are more than free to find websites that align with you ideology and where you can spend all day long talking on the internet about your imagined biological superiority. i don’t think you will come off as desperate to the right woman (i know that sounds too romantic and wishful). try browsing through some childfree websites and you will find plenty of guys wishing they could find a woman who doesn’t want children. ideally, i’d like to find a guy who is about 2 years older than me, but i’d rather date up a few years than date someone more than 2 years younger. reasons dating in your 30s is better than dating in your 20s, according to men. remember the question on this post: what can a woman in her 30s do to give herself a leg-up in the marriage market? the men who were interested in me, at 42, were in their late 20s to late 30s and did not want kids (neither do i), who were relieved to find a woman who wasn’t all over them to get married and start a family right away, the way the women in their mid-30s tended to be.“a woman virginal or otherwise is worthless to society without strong masculine men, to put her in place”. am a 39 year old woman and i just have to say maybe you have all waited too long to have kids. your assumption that a woman’s value is her in her fertility is a little like saying a man’s value is his wallet. fall in “love”, and are attracted to each other… and often this lasts only a few years. i love my wife and the life we have together and couldn’t imagine a life that completely revolved around raising a child. that a racial epithet that you threw in there at the end for good measure?: any woman that requires “hormonal birth control” to control “heavy menstrual cycles and other pms symptoms”…. woman in her child bearing years would remain in a ltr without seeking marriage ? who knows, but unless those of us here who are discussing the issue swell to something close to a majority, i can’t be optimistic. why does it bother you so much that a man wants a woman his age? this goes to any other man who has waited till he is 40 to settle. however, and this may just be me, but i tend to relate best to men who are *slightly* older than me and, at 37, a 42 year old man is rather desirable. jdm says she is a 7 or an 8 so it is hardly surprising that dalrock’s advice for those who have difficulty finding a man is of no use to her – advice such as deferring to a man, and trading excitement for long-term stability. further: she approached him rather than he taking the initiative.. is willing to subordinate her needs to those of the family and to me. so we see it written here many times that the guys you are interested in aren’t interested in you but the guys who are interested in you, you aren’t interested in them. castigated a woman for spending years 20-28 with the same guy in the hope of winding up married. if he says “unsure,” and she assumes that he is willing to have more kids, then that is on her. can almost hear the little patent-leather slip-ons drumming on the cubicle’s carpet-tiles.*you have to understand that virtually all research done on female fertility, until recently, does not consider paternal age as a possible influence on a woman’s odds of getting pregnant. my approach is to pull her out of the well first and then talk with her about correcting her mistakes and making changes going forward. more expensive shoes (salvatore ferragamo instead of uggs and dollar store flats), better fitting dresses of a higher quality (michael kors not forever21), better accessories (tasteful prada not the same obnoxious coach purse everyone else had courtesy of daddy at 21). years ago he married a woman from the philippines as he found himself in a similar situation to the original poster. just don’t give up your dream choosing a local woman, that will be messed up in her head, while you still have a choice. feedback for perspective: i can in general find something aesthetically pleasing, and something not-so-much-so in just about every woman. perhaps it is something some of the men on here may understand more than others. education for women for a woman is not waste if her values/morals remain intact. men weigh physical attractiveness more highly than anything else when looking at a woman. i thought was particularly worrisome is that, in the end, he came right back to, “be a man and get married” without addressing what that means in today’s environment wherein biblical marriage is, in fact, illegal for all practical purposes.  you don’t seem to listen to what’s in a woman’s heart. i’m generalizing here and of course, the female reading this is the exception. for as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: so we, being many, are one body in christ, and every one members one of another. the manosphere you will hear how marriage sucks for men. eyes, boxer – i’m guessing you’re an “s” rather than an “n” according to the mbti. it’s likely some random white knight man posting, or a really good feminist woman.., nothing but a forum for miserable, lonely, pathetic, dickless, hate-spewing sperm-waste excuses for little boys who live in their mothers’ basements collecting unemployment and playing xbox games), why do they dignify us with their precious attention and their “pearls of righteous wisdom” that we mere swine are obviously incapable of absorbing? having a child with a woman is “risky” when she’s older…maybe you should have had kids when you were younger as well. sometimes you have to tune out other people because people are full of negative baggage, anger, expectations, jealousy and pessimism. get a reality check, man – the cold hard truth is that you’d prefer buying yourself a woman from some disadvantaged country than actually invest in your looks and do lots of inner work to eliminate the deep seated hate you have for women. and having in mind her age her dad might actually be is his late 50s-early 60s, it is normal that she associates them more with her dad than with her peers. to say but in review what she is offering, there will be few if any takers regardless where she is at. i’ve read various posts from you guys about how much power a woman has over a man. asked “would someone explain why “going to church” is not listed as advice to an unmarried women in her 30s? read all of my points here, before forming an angry opinion. still think there’s hope for u, if your genes are as good as u laid them out to be. if she doesn’t have an inflated idea of who she should be marrying, puts her career ahead of marriage, or simply wants to sleep around, then how exactly does that happen?“as i was saying earlier the only reason a man has for marrying a woman is to have a uterus on had to grow his children in.“i think there is a balance buried in here somewhere between the fact that i behaved dishonorably and whorishly and the fact that in the end, it worked out.“living with a woman full time is the daily death of a man’s soul, pride and dignity. he’s acknowledging her interest while showing his own interest in her, but at the same time he’s not appearing overly eager. you are either here to support women or support your own agenda. and girlfriend are together and date in college for a year or so. what i find so ironic about men like you is that you make these ridiculous claims about american women only wanting a small sliver of so-called alpha men (despite all evidence to the contrary that the vast majority of american men successfully date and marry if they want to) but then out of the other side of your mouth you spew a list of criteria that women you want must have (youth — as you’ve stated ad nausuem here, extraordinary beauty, etc.: she had plenty of opportunities her whole life to marry a worthy man. i agree that there is a certain “i’m looking for a breeder” tone that if its in his profile might be a turn-off. there were no statically significant differences in sexual orientation, sexual preferences, engaging in risky sexual behaviors, frequency of masturbation, and history of sexual abuse between the groups. she is nothing, will be nothing and no one on this planet will ever respect or remember her. either they’re all lying to him, or, there’s something else they want that he isn’t providing… in which case, “wwhhhaaaaattttt? read some of comments here and it’s so sad. i find that websites focusing on issues that affect singles are either “doom and gloom” oriented or “rah rah rah, it’s great to be single”. surely there must be at least one in particular that sticks in your mind. and then there are many guys aged 35 who are still “sleeping’, being ultra picky, looking for the bestest of the bestest. is it possible to be deeply religious (i’m meaning specifically christian here, biblically so) and not want children? she’s also posted similar requests for advice elsewhere, and is going to compare the results? divorce or not wanting to bring them into a world where they’ll be exposed to so much. a traditional woman who takes the traditional role seriously needs to be prepared for the demands that may be expected of her.–pays attention only to the very best looking men; had grown accustomed to attention from top men; attention now plummeting and her smv nosediving because she has to disclose she has herpes. you didn’t ask for your circumstances and it is perfectly normal and natural –indeed, god-ordained– for you to be seeking a husband and father figure for your son. first of all, according to this post women in their 30s looking to marry should shift their focus from men in general to marriageable men. it kind of reminds me of the people who say there is no sexual component whatsoever in rape, not because it’s true, but because it helps them cope better. her family is stable, no history of divorce, she was a state ranked swimmer, low maintenance and could give sugar lessons on being sweet. the smoker chose to do that to himself, whereas the children of divorced parent’s were born into it and had no say in the matter. site is painfully accurate in describing the landscape of dating a woman over 30. who’s business is it of yours to say that others cannot do what god has allowed? if she has a right to look out for herself; those men have every right to do so as well., however, tell her to lean on her own understanding; to depend upon herself and her “personal development”; to leave when she has found the one place that will tell her the truth. we’re looking to piss magic fairy dust or fart rose-blossomed unicorn farts there’s plenty of feminist “women are the greatest” sites out there to which she could pose her question. i also have to worry about my older brother who lives in the city in which i am planning a move because i know he is going to size up any person that i might date. we are talking about things that their grandmothers did as a matter of daily routine (cooking, laundry, clothes mending, ironing, to name just a few).“women who are virgins past 30, in the church, generally either have stratospheric expectations of men (6 feet tall, movie-star looks, high income, studying to be a pastor… ) and/or…. she was an only child and extremely close with her mother. but if he’s able to really get to know and observe the woman in question and she’s proven that she has changed (personality flaws and insecurities) then i don’t see why he wouldn’t. her occasional temper tantrums and mind games are still worth it because she is in her sexual prime. there’s no point in beating yourself up for something you cannot foresee. what we usually see are wyst’s type, the ones who swoop into the fray of conversation out of nowhere, immediately begin whining about all the “hateful, misogynist comments” and then launch into a blamestorming sob story about their own “victimhood” at the hands of a man (or multiple men) who was/were demons in human form, her suffering being all his/their fault, she having been merely an innocent little flower. and yes, that is your personal issue, not women who are single and over the age you have set in your own head where they lack worth. but take at least a year and get yourself together. exclude, at her own request, perspective – and her thirty one comments. there are more than enough people having children out there and a small percentage of us deciding against it will not lead to the extinction of our species. is key, as men arent very good at knowing if a woman is interested in him. all u get to be is a social leper and idiotic, whilst whores are praised everywhere for their “empowerment”. we loved each other and still do, however now we love and respect each other in a way ex’s can after time, hopefully the way first husbands and wives of this generation should be blessed with when 50% of them divorce. still doubt i would personally aim for a very overweight woman, but i could be much more flexible on some of that if the attitude was right. i’m not sure how old you are, but there is little to no difference between democrats or republics. it reminds me of one married woman whom i know of (as she used to visit my friend for extra-curricula sex) and who had had her uterus removed – and for no medically compelling reason, and whilst still in her twenties. such a woman would be better advised to pursue a career providing sexual services for a fee, as dr johnson once observed to boswell. uncomfortable situation unless she finds man “just like the old one” who did the same thing to another woman (ie uncommitted long term relationship) and hence it doesn’t matter. i find the latter hard to believe, but find this mantra in every profile of every professional woman online. was willing to take on another guy’s kid(s) in addition to having my own…. at this level of morality – men dont respect women, nor honor/cherish women and the concepts of marriage. there’s not much a medical doctor can do for pms; you just take some aspirin, use a heating pad and just deal with it.“women who have left the care/protection of their fathers to purse a high education are a casualty without knowing it. why would any woman stick around with a jock past 25 is beyond me; yet i’ve seen it happen time and time again. are three highly likely outcomes:She continues with her current activities of dating the most attractive men she can find, who continue to refuse to commit to her. don’t know what to tell you, other than your actions do come across as desperate. constructive article i read a minute ago and summarizes helping single women over 30 who have had other concerns or life events which may have left “husband hunting before 30” off their list of priorities. would a woman who loves others as much as she loves herself deprive her children of their father, or use the courts to deprive her husband of his income and his children? seriously, be specific, but know where you can compromise too. it’s the girl that was not picky enough and lacked confidence in her twenties. so for discriminating men a woman looking good in her late teens is a maybe, whereas a woman looking good later is a better bet. in some ways each is worse than the other, and for different people. you are here for shits & giggles, don’t let the door hit you on the way out.“there is not a chance of you being a slut”. adam, sad to say…you’ve had your chance to meet women who are in child bearing age and can have your children when you were in your 20s and early 30s. are they worth getting out there and meeting new people? she did have a rough go of it, as did many women of her era, and i appreciate your good wishes on her behalf.  while there are exceptions, most younger women (most women in general) prefer to be with a man who is within the same age bracket as we are.“children’s children are the crown of old men; and the glory of children are their fathers..s, artistic bums, and ‘dine and dashers’ eagerly tear into her feast, chomping, licking, and slurping up her scrumptious succulent dishes and drinks. putting it the other way round: would a woman think it worth taking a chance with a man who spent his youth high on dope or stupified with alcohol or unemployed and drifting?“no 21st century woman with an iq over 70 would do any of this or put up with any of this”. how come you want to keep her trapped at home and be the breadwinner yourself?’s frustration comes from the fact that his plan to acquire a mate has not worked to date; as many women foolishly believe one or more of the following:• marriage will always be there me. (and daddy wonders why his own marriage is either on life support or dead and buried., but she can stop making those same mistakes in her thirties. single women in their mid-thirties tend to fall into one of two categories;either the carousel-rider or the weird and bad-tempered, but i fear that the normal but virginal are as rare as the arabian phoenix (a bird much spoken of but little seen). rather, love is one of my top ‘what i wish to have in life’ things (i think there is a bit of a difference). it means she does not impose her will on him or the relationship., were any woman who worked in the northern virginia / dc / pg county area, or the nyc metro area, to ask the questions she has asked, i’d suggest right up front trying to find a way to move. the husband in question is in his mid 20’s, that would make him 24-26. before lowering the rope you lecture her, “you should have been more careful, you should not have been texting while you were walking.“god help the morons” has all these things going against her. the case of your wife with her endometriosis (btw, my ex-wife of 19 years had it also). and i could say other things about the benefits, but the main thing is that we should avoid being reductionistic in talking about what we “get from” marriage. however, strength in a woman is not nearly the same as strength in a man., with the woman’s character as the sole adherent binding her to a marriage and to a promise that everyone around her encourages her to break, don’t you think it’s a good idea for men to assess that woman’s character, past and present?, there’s a lot of clueless older men here that will probably never find love.” how i interact with men in real life, or whether or not i’m capable of “signalling attraction to a man,” if you’ve never met even me? to “submit” to a husband in the biblical sense of the word means a woman giving up/back these unearned bennies and assuming some responsibility and accountability (by submitting to both god and her husband), which is like asking a chronic heroine addict to go clean, cold turkey. that is what this conversation is about and what it has always been about from where i sit … there is always a way to tell someone what they need to hear without being a dick. any “rules” she has had to follow are set by a mother, who is herself ruled by emotion and whim and is thus easily manipulated. elsberry, a married 27-year-old mother of two, had her tubes tied in 2009 after she had trouble finding a job and she and her husband grew worried about the financial burden of any additional children. our creator knows that we naturally love ourselves so much that when he tells us to treat others well he made a radical demand, and he uses our love of self as the benchmark we must meet. i know advocates that either men or women should marry people for whom they feel no attraction. nothing wrong with a woman doing what it takes for her man.: if she has a strong drive… she hasn’t saved herself to age 30 (with very rare exceptions. the fact that one roommate is hurt by this does not mean that there is any legal repercusions. have seen men in their 30′s look at woman in their 50′s who have that look, give off that energy, and i can tell that for a second, he was in awe by her. this is a regular conversation a woman’s primary doctor have with us. her attraction to her husband settles into grudging routine and mild arguments. i don’t think anyone has said a woman can’t get married past 20, they’ve said that a woman can’t get married to their make-believe alpha male who is marriage compatable in their 30’s and 40’s.” thus, a woman who submits to her husband means that the husband must exercise responsibility for her moral and spiritual well-being as well as major decisions influence her and the family’s lives. there are plenty of men around who are attractive enough that a woman needn’t marry a guy who doesn’t do it for her. i wasn’t able to get a criminal conviction against the man (charges were filed but dropped by prosecution for ‘insufficient evidence’), but i’m in the middle of a civil lawsuit against him and the church i joined where i met him, since that church actively tried to cover up that he had assaulted me. to this observer, it appears you cannot abide the idea that there could be anywhere, any tiny shred of anti-feminist thought. is a interesting tidbit from below that is backed up and reasonable (i could go a bit deeper with stats & outcomesbe gentle since chances are i am treading in a rather emotional “mine field” and dont wish to distress a woman on this rather delicate topic in addition to being off topic regarding the original blog.“a women over 30 doesnt need advice to get married unless she is unatractive or has other issues a women at 30 is more sopisticated than her at 20 and will attract the same kind of guy”. — is that it begs the question of why on earth would a woman want a man on those terms? i’ll make a note of this somewhere at the back of last year’s diary. i do however believe that there reasons-not all of which are selfish, as to why some may not want to have any of their own. i hope you and other young men coming up now don’t have to learn it the hard way, as i did.  i know these are exceptions, (and really i don’t think 5 years is much of a difference in either direction) but they do happen. a woman has a much better chance of having healthy children with younger men, than older men. when i was in my late 30s/early 40s i lived with a woman that was 15 years older than me. my goal is not to make light of the potential issues but rather put them in perspective. our response determines the final outcome (blame other people, avoid responsibility, repeat the same mistake over & over ala rationalization hamster or learn a painful lesson from it – btw, its a good idea to learn from others and their mistakes). thanks to deti and others who have posted great advice, i can start that conversation and have at least some answers to the questions i know they will ask and objections they will raise. of the things i see some otherwise attractive women do that just makes me question their sanity is getting tattoos.@cfman “there are quite a few childfree women and men who know that this statement is complete nonsense.“from what i’ve gathered from the men who post here, you are looking for the outliers. lot of men are coming to the rather obvious conclusion that it’s not really a wise decision to marry at all. she said she loved me but that she was 4 years older that kids was not a good idea to her. why not just accept that it is another person with different views on life? i a condemned for critical review of pointing out grossly obvious flaws- then your premises are ill founded and a red herrings since they record the consequences and it is not designed to capture the specific “cause/reason” among other things- get it ? i don’t feel i was trying to “refute” any kind of “logic,” and i don’t think i “dropped the previous line of rationalization and started a new one,” as i explained before, i was just trying to introduce a new subject in my other post. the truth is that ship hasn’t sailed, maybe only if you consider woman from western society but even then it hasn’t sailed. after all you have committed yourself to provide for her for the rest of your days even though you could easily have attracted any number of women a decade younger than yourself – you were not without options, so why settle. this whole time we’ve been speaking in the abstract; about how the types of sins of types of people affect themselves and others. avoid the so-called ‘professional’ therapists – they are steeped in the kind of ‘wisdom’ you don’t want (i. it’s when men want to play around and not grow up until they are 40 and then expect that they deserve a younger woman after they had their play time. as deti and others noted before all a girl has to do is be pretty and nice and men will flock to them. rejection is merely laughed at, for to be rejected by a slut does not affect a man’s smv and reveals the woman to be a hypocrite; to sleep with a slut however may well lower a man’s smv both in the eyes of other men and of other women – no one was ever thought well of for going with a prostitute. those look like crocodile tears to me, because had she really wanted marriage, then how come she had not managed that in her early twenties if not before – in some later message i will bemoan the fact that i am not a nobel prize-winning scientist or dot-com millionaire and expect much sympathy. suggest its time to give a good woman your heart and actually want to be in a relationship with someone before you place these large expectations on them. what’s good for the goose… don’t you realize that women don’t want to date someone who looks like their fathers any more than you want to date someone who looks like your mother? the childless women bit, i have met only two childless woman in my entire life who was childless by explicit choice. she can not go back and change the mistakes she made in her 20’s. a five can post a dating profile and will have 30-50+ emails in her box the same day – from guys out of her league. arguments are self effacing whether you realize it or not – here is a example:“i have not ridden the carousel as you guys put it. fact that you compare paragraph #1 with paragraph #2 means you lack the most basic fundamental level of discrimination that men demand of other men (the same discriminaton that society does not demand of people like you) because you are a woman. mentioned, there is no outcome data of cf and i suspect there will eventually be some sort of data however, it will be awhile before 25 year landmark data arrives. he found all of that in his now wife and that is why he married her. i think that’s wise for me to avoid being seen as even more insane than others have already pointed out to me. in other words one put too much emotional energy into women who were not, i am afraid to say, no matter how interesting or attractive, worthy of considered attention. she hasn`t been able to make a selection by then, in her mind its still the mans fault. there’s single women who were approached when they were younger by good, marriageable men but perhaps lacked the confidence needed to be with such a man. i am married father of 3 and a soldier in the war on men. in lacanian terms he is looking for the ‘objet petit a’ which either does not exist or is merely excrement.’s important is the exhibition of true repentance; whether from what we consider plain old vanilla sins like lust in the heart, or from a lifestyle of bed-hopping, or from the continual seduction of her boyfriend. aren’t enough sophia lorens and jane russells to go around either. in the weirdness of this world we both lost brothers, both brothers had the same favorite song and we both have weirdly similar tattoos. are “exception to the rules” and to suggest that “exception to the rules of women that do not want children ” is from education, higher income (ie increased opportunities ) is unfounded and unreasonable. in life, a balance is needed and i hope that the balance that aaron achieves is not that of the single mother he says he might settle for in two years. i was going to prove how worthless it was to lead and protect my undeserving, and rebellious wife by doing what was good for her according to biblical standards, as best i was able to see, and even if it killed her. child support isn’t as devestating as a divorce and all the bs that comes with it but it is similarly harmful to the man, so also aknowledge the risk he is taking by having a child with you, as well as the potential emotional damage that can be caused to him to see his child’s life ruined by a reckless mother. advice to a woman in her 30s looking to marry….“and her ex somehow escaped the filter of her intuition. but i’m not going to sit here all day and justify my reasons for being with her. (please god don’t let her ask to explain tickle spot on dalrock’s blog)”. for we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.?” i don’t take it in, i just go by whether their physical appearance suggests they’re young or old to the extent that it makes me feel uncomfortable. ( for the record i have recently heard or read someplace that the average age of a girl to loose her virginity used to be 16/17, and in the past decade apparently about 90%of girls under 14 have had sex! these rationalizations have a tendency to build on each other with the result of a self-convinced view of reality that is quite at odds with objective reality. the vast majority is for sexual reasons… either she is not sexually available, or not willing to put out in reasonable time, or she is not “clicking” with him – which translates in “she’s not (going to be) fun to have sex with”. i was 38 and my wife was 34 when we found each other on the internet.“if your best friend met her husband in line at the grocery store, shouldn’t you get to meet yours in the same way? so, even if she manages to get pregnant, there is a 1 in 5 chance she will miscarry. for advice… here are some things that may help:1) date with intentionality. imagine if i had a women yelling at me calling me an idiot for working full time for free, demanding i get a regular job instead, to help buy her the things she “deserved”.’s been a lot of talk about this phenomenon here on my blog. an occasional brief dating and bedding, however realized this was not someone i wanted to engage with further. said:someone castigated a woman for spending years 20-28 with the same guy in the hope of winding up married. the only men willing to actually commit to her are men she is not attracted to. i’ve never been to a meeting of cfbc people, although they have them near where i live. the other three, the husband had waited, but the wife had not (married in their late twenties). i too want a family because the woman i married lied is not my fault but now is my problem. offer absolutely no constructive advice even though the title of this page is advice to women in their 30s looking to marry. is thought that the higher divorce rate in 2nd marriages is due to people staying together “for the sake of the children” in their first marriage. that’s exactly what men on men’s sites discuss when they’re talking about child support (where we’re forced to work to pay for a child whose birth we never agreed) and frivorce (where we’re forced to work to pay for a divorce to which we never agreed). the flip side, i have seen men in their 40s and 50s state they want kids yet they indicate an age range of 35-45 in their search stats for a woman. cbfc people (especially cbfc women) get screwed by feminism pretty badly too, since feminism insists on special privileges for mothers… much to the detriment of the child-free. good for her, but if her intention was to get other women to act more like her, why not write a book about how happy she is about her life choices—rather than generalize from a set of flawed data, purporting to “help” young women “plan” to have babies early? a man doesn’t want to take on a woman whose body is falling apart; and if he decides to take on that risk he has a right to know what he’s getting into. it certianly isn’t the men labelled this, that, or the other who are telling women that they aren’t of value, but the ‘feminists’.” or maybe she needs to ditch her gay friends; they’re a straight repellent. certain amount of nawalt going on here today i see.@cf “for the guys who do find women well before they hit “the wall”, do you plan on using a time machine to keep her young forever? i’m grateful that in spite of her faults, i had a mother who modeled hygiene, health, and feminine dress and presentation very well, and i keep myself up to look sweet without being slutty.“there is not a chance of you being a slut”. it’s just about her and not about the person “loved”. it certianly isn’t the men labelled this, that, or the other who are telling women that they aren’t of value, but the ‘feminists’. they just shack up together (for whatever reason, maybe they just want ot save money? you even admitted yourself that there are exceptions to the rule. i had 1k dollars for every woman who has said “he’s the one i love and irreplaceable to me” and went to whoring as soon as her beloved deployed i could own a second gt 500. you came from a home that had a moral /stable father in place. a quality guy will respect that and if he really likes her, will stick around. bar bad luck (which can happen) you need to ask some very hard questions of a woman aged over twenty eight as to why she wants (if at all) to marry. i do not see where he intended to trick women. might argue that one does more overall damage to individuals and society than the other; but if so, the ranking isn’t obvious. there are two problems with women who hang out with men as “just friends” all the time:A. a woman asks a man out, she runs the risk of rejection; this is something women are not used to. if you are so thoroughly convinced that i am a woman and a troll, why are you still trying so hard to prove me wrong? i should ignore most of what is here if all you guys want is super model stick figures who want to be stay at home moms. i desperately need the comfort that comes from having a man who i can view as an equal and someone i can admire who wants to protect me and cherish me. i consider myself a messianic gentile, and very much enjoy reading the old testament too… but am constantly amazed and overjoyed at how both covenants are revealed through each other. realistically speaking, he is going to have to find either a woman in her 40s who wants to have kids (not impossible for sure) or try to court a younger woman. even “christian” (once again, as opposed to churchian) fathers have generally been so steeped in feminist dogma, without even knowing it, that they at least subconsciously think that any potential husband for their pwecious wittle pwincess is going to be a loutish, irresponsible brute who ultimately beats, demeans, and abandons her. having said that, there are christian cfbc guys (i’m living proof) out there. it doesn’t matter if the words you say are right, or how many meals you cook, whether it’ll be something more is entirely dependent on him. not getting a defective situation 10 years earlier does not harm your life, it probably improves it… how does getting a woman that has ridden fewer c**ks change the fact that we are unfortunately living in a reality tv world with female role-models that could not be worse? why would a woman in her later 30s or early 40s want to give that up to pop a baby out for some egotistical male who thinks the world just has to have his genes passed on into the next generation? whether you can solve three equations in three unknowns or if you have the book of ecclesiastes memorized or you have studied quantum physics at mit is of no moment to me at all. bankruptcy is fairly rare unless one is embarking on a business venture and as her husband is a journalist, it is difficult to see how – and she gives no clues – he could have reached such an impecunious state. my opinion i think what people are trying to say is that within a decade being with her, you will be bored with her. when guttmacher institute researchers last ran the numbers in 2008 they found that 61 percent of women who terminate a pregnancy in this country already have at least one child. if she spent most of her 20’s and early 30’s “single” then i think there is even more resistance to finding a man in their 40’s that she sees as immediately settle down with, have a kid or two, and be an “older” couple. so he pointed out where you were wrong, tore apart your argument. if she isn’t putting an effort into her appearance; why am i bothering in the first place? a 37 or 38 woman with a guy 42 or 43 isn’t out of the question or unrealistic. as others have pointed out, i don’t need to prove anything to you. think there is a balance buried in here somewhere between the fact that i behaved dishonorably and whorishly and the fact that in the end, it worked out. i’m the type of woman that would do anything to make a man in my life happy.’s not a matter of whether it’s more risky (which is true); the fact remains that older men can father children well into their 40’s on a regular basis, while women cannot.’s always been a source of great humor when someone posts a woman’s list of demands in a man (gleaned from a dating site, craig’s list, etc. never heard of those types before but i think that is where you find your place [cfbc group] to meet and greet. women are busy worried about marriage and here i am just worried about having someone nice by my side before i die. very obvious point i feel you left out is that there are women who actually wish to remain single. what i wanted to point out was not all of us 30s women are as choosy and ‘seeking the alpha male’ as most of the comments here implied. these churchian fools still thinking there are wives to be had are pathetic as your comment shows.” at 25 i married a woman most here would consider an apex female, but i could have been scooped up earlier (when i was still a blue-pill omega and didn’t know that my smv/mmv was about to skyrocket) by a wholly unsuitable woman who recognized my potential smv/mmv before i did. a educated / chaste man wants to marry a educated / chaste woman. people who choose to remain childfree will seek out other people with the same lifestyle. the avon longitudinal study of parents and children found men who were ideal physical candidates and had more sex than the average middle aged man were still 35% less fertile by age 40. yet she’s never going to divorce her husband because deep down she knows she has no other options. a good looking (and still well preserved at mid forties) woman i know always had high status boyfriends (stock broker, ar at a big label, handball professional, professional musician etc. if this story is true, your attorney would direct you to seek therapy for the purpose of the therapist testifying in court that the rape resulted in you not completing your college courses. the other cases are caused by a mixture of male and female problems or by unknown problems. and if you can’t find it where you are, don’t be afraid to risk and travel around the world looking for someone to have a family with. this is especially true in the context of this website where most guys think males and females are so drastically different in the way they think. i know close to nobody read my story (most of you were too busy sniffing for blood) but i stated that my father was a professor before he died. my father’s died a few years back but i would never give up the great times we had together as a family that loved each other as much as we love life. concerning my old friends, most of them are married and the ones who aren’t either won’t talk to me (yeah, i became that much of a raging beyotch once i thought i was hot) or they’re in relationships likely leading to marriage.– not sure what double standard you are referring to here, please explain. (no reason to explain it again but it is why we have a manosphere). which isn’t to say there aren’t varying degrees of attractiveness from the beginning. i can say that because (as a woman) you lack moral agency. what if by not having a child you prevent another career criminal, murderer, rapist, or serial killer? i plan on mmsl, but is there anything (from a guy’s perspective) that would be most helpful in this situation? if she got out of line, a man no less than her father told her in no uncertain terms to go back to her husband.: “but unfortunately they’re sometimes viewed as selfish simply because in addition to being mothers and wives, they also wish to use their natural talents, intelligence, and skills towards professional and academic pursuits.“not only are they not mutually exclusive, one will often mask the other. how can a man say this to a woman he knows and forget? danger for the woman is that with those things ibb mentioned she will be prey to young men seeking an easier life. gosh, i might make some mistakes as a mother but i’d be confident (and would pray fervently) that theynever become that. that isn’t my goal, i’m just here to show some of the people here who seem to have very limited world views that there is another side to the story no matter how much you try to convince yourself (and others) that it is a myth or a lie. think there is a deleted scene showing that colin firth’s unfailthful girlfriend in london, who we never saw, is alan rickman’s marriage-wrecker coworker. yes of course older women have higher risks giving birth to healthy babies. and no woman hopeful included has something like that in mind. you’ll wonder who slips into your bed beside her after you have left in the morning. of course, by the time those women hit their 30s, those “boring” men are looking much more attractive. i only just want to make love to my wife because i love her and want to have a family just like my parents did. like all the other 30+ women who are suddenly suspecting that something isn’t right “god help the morons” landed on this blog for a reason. except i doubt that it’s necessary for her to have a man order for her. be a woman worthy of a man – you need to be prepared to do whatever it is he wants in your life together. just like a woman to say one thing and do another. will have your 40s and onward to regret the cock-hopping you did here in the present. she is not perfect, that is why she asking for your advice – but she is not preternaturally evil either – she is human, just like you. to get a husband: dress up like wonder woman or bat girl… then go to various nerd conventions and play board games. my wife thought that sounded cool with her, and the rest is history. the odds of an adult american woman being cfbc her entire life are almost the exact same odds as an american bride being a virgin: roughly 1-in-5. what we’ve been taught has been how a man attracts a woman. now if you are lying and indeed your anecdotes do not agree with reality, then of course my proof is also in anecdote, and is therefore not evidence. there are quite a few childfree women and men who know that this statement is complete nonsense. people who wish to be treated equally to other people and to have opportunities based on merit, not on gender. for some early in life and for others, a bit later. have never been an angel and i do regret some of my past actions but it makes you who are, despite the comments here, being in ur 30s does not make you old- you are older and wiser- that is all. jewish, i have number of middle eastern women and there are rules of modesty/conduct that american women would find absurd and backwards. i am in my 30s and get more male attention than ever even from men who know i am not single. we had a lot in common and i thought we respected and treated each other well, he helped me get back into college, and i didn’t move in with him until after a year of knowing him. not all men have that attitude and those who doesn’t will become great fathers- and great husbands 🙂. realize now that perhaps i should have used a different choice of words to make myself more clearly understood, but i guess what i was trying to say was that i was not expanding on my previous posts, but rather trying to introduce a different kind of scenario. there should be more sites/blogs that discuss this topic (that are not linked to magazines. not because she’ll always have the same set of friends, but it’s instructive as to the *kinds * of women she tends to befriend or allow herself to be befriended by. the same guy, however, when assessing a woman’s mmv, will be looking for a woman who is much closer to his own smv. i was wondering if you could do another reader advice post for me? the other hand, a woman who spends eight years hopping from bed to bed is widely experienced in men. if it is ended, the participants are almost never free to enter into another marriage (at least not spiritually). one ‘manipulative’ woman told me how, during her divorce proceedings, she got to keep most of the marriage assets by postponing court hearings until she found a sympathetic ‘female’ judge. or perhaps (pure speculation, so don’t ask for studies to back this up) the relationship will eventually shift focus towards children because there is nothing but the superficial between the husband and wife and they need something in common between each other.  since your target of choice is women, why would you support another man in his degradation of women? what self-respecting woman would proceed to say that women will only have value when they are more like men?  they aren’t easy to find, but they’re out there. so yes they get alot of play because they are the ones that bother to improve themselves. you’re quite right that this woman who is requesting advice from a culturally conservative board has probably already accepted the premises of the traditionalist view of women and marriage.  in person is more direct and you get to feel the other person..I really don’t think the women are the problem here. you sit back, over and over, and watch the girls who just dumped you swing immediately to a more alpha man who holds back on commitment, doesn’t give all of himself to her, acts as his own man, and takes no sh!’s not the man at fault here, its you for not doing the legwork & spreading your net wide enough. i got another email from a polish woman who thought she was too fat when i said in my profile a woman shall not weight more than me (175lbs) because like mark t, i am 43 in excellent shape, still run fast (sub 12 second 100 meters), can still dunk a basketball and the majority of people i hang with are 20’s and 30’s themselves. my stepfather treated me like his own daughter, though, and he was very protective of my virtue – my first date was my senior prom!’t worry, i’m sure there are far more places to gain advice on how to procure a beta shlub and marry him before your biological clock ticks over 12. shame on you dalrock for failing to point out that any woman, no matter her age, her promiscuity, her ltrs and broken marriages, her bastard children, her tats, her stds, and drink and drug habits cannot also find love! there is no need for a male studies unit because you’ve not had your voice and image silenced for years. it’s the heat, but you seem to be arguing that “it’s not that second marriages are inherently much worse than first ones (regarding divorce rates)”, but “first marriages would be as abysmal a prospect as second ones if it weren’t for kids holding the misery filled sack of shite together (temporarily, until the kids escape the miserable ‘nest’)”. the current review reveals an interesting paradox: it appears that a familistic culture and strong pronatalist values and attitudes go together with low fertility rates and marked negative emotional effects of having children, whereas fertility rates are higher and parents derive greater happiness in more individualistic cultures where people hold less pronatalist beliefs (see also bernhardt and fratczak 2005). sadly, very sadly, we work together, but not in a related way (as in we don’t have to talk to each other). yes, the damage to her schemes of fucking a man into marriage have been very badly damaged; irrevocably so. as a marriage-minded woman, any man who values family and hard work causes me to perk up. here it is, in hopes that it might be helpful to any other newbies. in honesty the 39 and up better have there crap wired tight or they are getting cut away. for that matter, women’s preference for height and provisioning capacity (whether it be mammoth meat, or mammon), is probably genetic too. of course no woman necessarily fits, exactly, the model propounded here in the androsphere, and thus it may be that there are women in their thirties keen to marry, and who have not been riding the carousel in their twenties; and it may also be the case that there are women so unsure of themselves that they cannot see ‘what he sees in me’ or wonder whether he will leave ‘for a prettier girl’ – i have met women like that, and their chronic insecurity is such that they are impossible to date – indeed i was temporarily romantically linked to one such who shortly thereafter relaunched herself as a singer (plus guitar) and managed to have an article and posed-photo thereof on page 7 of the daily mirror (they love a pretty young face and trim figure! women wasting their youth and expecting what they are “entitled” to , be it good husband, nice guy, good father, good provider, soul mate, whatever – to just “appear” when they are ready and not before. another honest (although unreliable) signal is to look at the caliber of people you get during blind dates. i want to see the woman perform longer than that. there are always exceptions, but it is worth considering these aspects before being angry at groups of people. as a woman, it’s time to do your share of apologising on behalf of your gender, and i have a feeling that it will have a good result, if you’ve been paying any attention to dalrock on male/female dynamics then you’ll understand why i say that. actually there’s a reason for this that i won’t get into. she doesn’t realize that he can get sex not only from her; but also from women like her. there are also emotional, mental, spiritual consequences – to suggest these consequences are for the positive or neutral is absurd. men, on the other hand, produce sperm basically for life and the defective sideways swimmers don’t win the races that matter. but we can’t go through life blaming other people.’d never want to take the place of a man who managed to get a woman to yearn so long for him. i would never marry a woman without a pre-nuptual agreement…. however strongly an ordinary guy might admire or desire such a woman, by the time he’s out of high school he knows, fairly well, whether he is, or (much more likely) is not, able to get such women. indeed i was looking at it only a day or two ago, and came across some very sad examples of woman-hood: for example; a 43 year old women – unemployed, because she has just completed her masters degree in arabic (surely pointless masters degress are go-faster stripes for women); and then there was another, aged 41 in similar circumstances who any friday night will be found ‘socialising with friends or chilling out’ – some enticement to commit ones entire life to a female i should say (not)! while i’m sure there are women who exist that are single, over thirty, and virgins (who don’t have issues); but a woman in my age range being a virgin has entirely left my set of expectations. am sorry that women say these ridiculous things to you, for one only looks like a jealous loser when one points out that a woman’s promiscuity affects her reputation; more importantly they know it despite their hamster squeals, for women always go to great lengths to hide their promiscuity or round-it-down in some way – they may say it is sexist but you just try suggesting that they are sluts and you will feel their claws. i approach more women unromantically (there are some less-attractive women in my congregation whose day will be made by a nice guy flirting with them a bit); a pua would see that and think i’m setting up jealousy plotlines. she just will be either too sick, too tired or too much of both, to give him frequent sex. can see how most would think this would seem unlikely, but the fact remains there are women who are in this situation nut their reasons are not, as you stated, because she has an “inflated idea of who she should be marrying, puts her career ahead of marriage, or simply wants to sleep around…. there are many women who want men for their money. something in us tells us that a woman like that is worth investing in, and that our time and resources are well spent upon her. woman interest has to be earned with hard work, day by day, is not cumulative and is never granted. we honestly both wanted this life, where we’re forever bonded as parents as well as husband and wife. lot of so-called “self-esteem” issues are derived from, i think, the fact that the hot alpha studs don’t pay attention to her anymore and don’t want to have sex with her anymore and aren’t falling all over themselves because of her anymore. want to say there is a whole other population of women out there that are still single in their thirties. if both of them are reasonably sure they are right for each other, are attracted to each other, are head over heels for each other and want to be married, then after 6 months they can get engaged, and then have a 6 month engagement and get married.@ jack – you made sure to brag about the age of the woman you dated last year. i write anywhere is fair game for anyone to use in any way they see fit: to use as a springboard for a post, as social critique, to criticize me, to agree with me or disagree with me, whatever. for the beta guy, the compromise might be with someone who repulses you, for the other two, it may mean forgetting about marriage altogether. a man who does not want children and who is considering marriage with a woman who also does not want children feels that the woman will have have to compensate by offering, “1) money2) rock hard body,3) pleasant demeanor”? mean ‘age was but a number’ when women where picking men but not when men were picking women. i plainly communicated to you here on this blog that i did not believe you and i also replied to you as if you were being real just in case you were. woman has it easier in one sense and harder in another. usually increases for a woman once she has sex with a man. then you’ll have it all, a girl who is crazy about you and someone who can help you meet financial goals as an equal partner… there is nothing wrong with that, right?  i didn’t know it was as simple as “waiting too long”, and i should just impregnate a woman on the very day i decide to do it. i’ve read a little of the interview questions for prospective wives dalrock posted a little while ago, so i have some sense of what kind of answers you’re looking for, but if you wouldn’t mind enlightening us as to answers that are acceptable so that unknown and others can know where they fall? you need to make an honest assessment of what you’re looking for, and then make another honest assessment of whether you can reasonably “get” that in a man. what keeps two people together (imo) is integrity of the “whatever brings two people together”. do think that there are christian women who expect men to show up to court them out of the blue, no flirting to signal the men (that would be wrong), no online networking (because that’s not trusting the lord), and no enlisting any matchmaker (wrong era, plus the first two reasons). but because she wasn’t a 9 or a 10, she could not believe herself to be loveable, and soon it wasn’t just that she didn’t believe she was loved, but that there must be more sinister motivations involved with anyone who ‘pretended’ to love her. it can often take a few years of being together before the depth of that is known. one told her that his biggest worry with separated is that they may get back with their husband, or that their wounds are still too fresh. recall a comment by a drop dead beautiful woman that i dated for a while and someone asked her why she didnt have a tattoo since it would look great on her physique. all i had to do was be willing to smile at someone and either start a conversation or respond to an opening with more than one syllable. in mind, though, that what we are talking about here are generalities, rules and facts that are most commonly encountered, as well as pitfalls that very often happen, thought not always.“in victorian england the woman’s role was seen to be “the angel of the family. a critical point, i think, is that the attractiveness component of one’s mmv is more calibrated to peer-levels than is the attractiveness component of one’s smv, at least when it comes to women –> that is, a woman does not need to be a smv peer of a man to generate sex appeal and success in the smv, she merely has to be over a certain threshold for the guy. you take her word for it that you are the man. i hate the pressure of this, but at 32 he doesn’t have very long to decide about getting married (maybe another year max) before i’m too close to the 35 year old cutoff for kids.– she is lying to you or to herself and reserves the right to change her mind and you have no say in the matter despite all previous oral and even written agreements. she’s still married to him, but she didn’t do nearly as well as she could have had she purposed herself on marrying in her early to mid 20s at the height of her smv. most cultural anthropologists actually believe that no one culture is superior to another or inherently good or bad, only different in the way it meets its goals and lives out its values. i reserve my snark for the haters who flounce in here with screeds about how awesome they are and about how there’s not a man alive who’s good enough for them. person who would call another human being a “depreciating asset” is not worth dating.“go out and make eye contact and smile lose weight if you need to feel confident and know in your heart you are a pleasant woman. fav comment from the manosphere:“because if hypergamy catches foothold, it is the end of the human female’s “right” to be worshipped for her innate superiority. a divorced couple was in their own house for a night, in the middle of proceedings or something, and the woman was apparently feeling the urge and he woke up with her mouth somewhere private on him.. the men who will be interested in her (and more suitable for her) won’t be as assertive as the alpha studs she’s used to. single middle aged men like yourself want to get married and start a family?, for a man who admits to living off his ex (“she paid the rent”) you may want to lay off the tirade of insults aimed at others and leveling judgement at women as being unworthy of you. have never, ever met or heard of any woman anywhere who was attractive and had “a lot going for” her who was “overlooked or never really approached for a relationship”. men your age will simply see a “sperm wanted” sign and run the other way. stepfather was diagnosed with terminal cancer, and it changed my whole college experience. but you wouldn’t believe how many men out there lack all of these damn traits.. is willing to subordinate her needs to those of the family and to me. i think its gross to date an older men…you men come here saying how a man should be older, actually did you know us woman want children too, and its proven fact that men also go through biological clock ticking as well…autism is high in children because of older fathers! if a woman asks a man out, she runs the risk of rejection; this is something women are not used to. i can’t speak for michael, but for myself i wouldn’t mind a woman being drawn to my job/salary and home if i was assured that she wasn’t intending to steal them from me. did their realizing their gross breach of contract (ie it is a womans right to change her mind) would leave them as working full time mothers in their mid to late 40’s (thats what a great education does a woman 🙂 ). most fellas don’t train 2-3 times a day 4-7 days a week which i believe is reason #1girls are willing to date me when i am 15-20 years older than her. with a list of ‘here’s what i want from the relationship’ rather than ‘here’s what i bring to the relationship’ is a mistake. i tend to agree with some of comments here that said women in their mid 30’s just do not want to date anyone “whose age starts with a 4″. i ended up moving to another city because i couldn’t stand to be stalked and threatened while the criminal charges were in process. you mentioned “i know some guys in their 30′s and 40′s who have the view that woman do expire”.. “the lancet”) for describing what constitutes a rare disease (i’ve seen another definition twice, both within 10% of the above).

Dating a woman in her late 30s

playing devil’s advocate here, you don’t even have to tell them and just keep it a secret that no one ever knows., good luck and god speed, and please don’t be a stranger here. the da probably figured he or she would be wasting the taxpayer’s money knowing there would be no chance at all at convicting your ex-boyfriend. you use surveys, dismiss empirical data except your own, and give credibility to movie stars / celebrities (yes you did this – typical woman ). unless you plan on jumping around from one young woman to the next for the rest of your life, looks will eventually fade in your partner. who have left the care/protection of their fathers to purse a high education are a casualty without knowing it. a woman is pretty when she thinks she is pretty, and acts it. busy with the list already provided by deti, dalrock, & other men who are telling you what they want in a mate. frankly, if you are not appealing to american women, you aren’t actually any more appealing to a foreign woman. it is chock full of practical applications a woman can do to get married. i am 33 and never had trouble attracting men in their 30s.“now if you are lying and indeed your anecdotes do not agree with reality, then of course my proof is also in anecdote, and is therefore not evidence. only included backpacking nothing else (of course we believe you heh) not a surfer dude or roackbanddrummer to be heard of in either location. presents herself as a pretty enticing case for “used, but not abused” for a potential beta-chump buyer. if there are professional 30-something women who are not able to meet men in general, then i think it’s because they are actively shutting out the world. ( sexually or otherwise) i know it was a top priority for me, and yeah i had sex before i got married, who wouldn’t. the theory is that through projecting confidence without having to rationalize it, such as in actually having something to be confident about, like say, oh an accomplishment or two, that this projection “displays higher value” to the females around you and will actually cause them to want to “qualify” themselves to you, or rationalize their accomplishments or characteristics. for instance, they will ignore the ‘kind of nice’ girl just dancing with two or three friends with a drink in her hand (alcohol or non alcohol) and hit on the drunk girl pulling another girl’s hair in the club or making fun of people’s outfits (mean, loud etc). there is still time with the help of science and good health. jenn, there are few things less attractive to men than a woman who acts, talks, and/or looks like a man. that is all too rare an attribute among women who visit here. what if one day you meet a woman who you feel is irreplaceable? if i had the attitude of many people l know i would have married 20 years ago to the first woman who was interested in me and would be divorced and miserable by now! 30, she is better off focusing on her career and steeling herself for the inevitable stage of life that all people face in their 40s and 50s: a hospice for dying dreams, overall a much sadder place for the empowered, entitled women of today than it was for stronger women of a generation ago., i’m posting for you, dewi, because others have injected their personal hatreds without really reading what you wrote. michael ended by asking “is church still a good place to meet a nice guy for a girl who wasted her 20s with others? strange film: connery knows that hedron is a lieing thief, and more or less anti-sexual, but still marries her, more or less against her wishes, and seems largely determined to ascertain her secret, that is to say knowledge of her past. a woman will, by her fallen nature, test the man’s authority. however, that doesn’t mean patriarchs shouldn’t resist her nature and assert authority. at least you have cheerleaders and 99% of the population will back you up instead of “well you probably had it coming” like most of these guys, it may seem tough on here but don’t lie, the vast majority of the people in your personal circle have consoled you or had your back…if not then i don’t believe a word of your “mistaken for 18, hot small body, sweetness, feminine, etc.. she has confused her higher sexual market value with her lower marriage market value.!) and i know woman that don’t and that is ok too. something men have to deal with all the time, that all the woman date-initiators can’t seem to take. she was and is a really great mother, and i think she deserved better.“my true stance is the latter as a soldier and a father that loves his children. agree that the real issue here is your bitterness anthony. nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband., and the other has the skeletion key to all the locked cabinets in the universe and questioning that premise could compromise his salvation. you are going to lash out at a woman that was not being easy and was offering sex in a relationship that she believed was a pathway to marriage? is just an other one, he just hasn’t realized it yet.“they know their daughters “can’t count on” marriage; many of those fathers are themselves divorced. motherhood would have made her happier than chocolate i guess, if only those alpha dudes – rather than those boring nice guys ™ – would settle. the few straight men who get into it are either effeminate omegas or quickly snapped up. which does reflect the reality that woman do not love. one was in his late 40s, and one was in his late 30s.’s easy for you guys to say a woman should be this, a woman should be that, the bible says women should be submissive, blah blah blah. can’t even be man enough to admit that your ludicrous statement about the percentage of woman who are truthful about not wanting children is just made up nonsense that is so far off the mark of reality, it’s not even funny any more. partner count > 10 for a woman in her 30’s = a woman who cannot pair bond. the pattern here is that when guys are younger and sowing wild oats, they will gladly have sex with older women if she is decent looking. one of the golden rules in business is not to crap where one eats. however, the questions in my post refer to men who encourage older woman/younger man relationship- not about the issues surrounding these types of relationships. do not shirk hard task, nothing in my life implies that but there must be some return on my effort. male fantasy is of the woman who will sleep with everyone whenever asked but such a woman is never top of anyone list of potential brides, and see the response you get should you suggest that a woman of your acquaintance should immediately give it up for all the guys in the group! and women should date and marry young and go through life’s changes together. god allowed the tribes of simeon and levi (the brothers who exacted vengeance) to erect tribal banners that displayed images of shechem (city that was destroyed).@asinusspinasmasticans thank you for your advice 🙂 i have a few questions if it’s okay:– do you find that you and your wife are an age exception compared to other married couples you know? as sarah obeyed abraham, calling him lord, and you have become her children if you do what is right without being frightened by any fear (this means dont freak out). has been my experience that most women from there mid twenties on up that are single already have children and i do not believe that i need to bring any more into this world i have no children i can love someone else’s children just as much as my own no matter the age of the woman or the child and there are helping the fax throughout all h is of man and women as far statistics your research goes they say wolves don’t attack people that’s been proven wrong another thing i’ve noticed drop my life and i am 40 + is people in general man and women seem to want what they cannot have and the more they can not have it the more they want it and i believe the gentlemen’s issue in discussion he said she did not want to have kids and i am 44 years old and an extremely good shape i can out work out hike out hunt the majority of men in their 20s i have spent my life building strength they have just begun. is strange is that it was easier to convince the daughter than the father (still resisting).. that if “slut” or “harlot” were devalued, there would be no more slut shaming in the larger culture. if you do a google search or research there are many doctors warning men over 40 have a higher chance of passing down autism, dwarfism, birth defects and other problems to the child…it doesn’t matter how young the woman is…this is from the man’s sperm not the womans eggs! there is no more “having it your way”… if you want to be a wife and you expect to be a good wife then carefully consider the cost. (except in the rare case where one party is deployed overseas, in college far away, or in jail, and it just isn’t possible to be togetehr. you say things like “i won’t consider them for even a dog catcher at this point”, yes, the likihood of women missing you if you left, is highly unlikely. my wife is extremely attractive, in great shape and doesn’t look anywhere near her age, which is why putting so much emphasis on a number seems so crazy to me. of that, an eligible woman might be able to attract men if she says at one of these churches, talking to a a friend and says in earshot of several men, “i would like to find a man who would love me that i could submit to. here are some recent examples:Hit on by thirty something single mother. if a woman gets pregnant and chooses to abort, is that not her exercising her choice to remain childfree? it seems that all men commenting here releasing accumulated aggression towards women. i hope that straightens out for the laayydies (bill burr voice) what the commenters here are coming from. if you are not those things i might rather see you going to work so that i wouldn’t need to work so hard to support you. there are many people in dry, boring marriages both with and without children. only advice i can offer for the hypothetical 30+ single woman is two things: pleasantness and contentment. exactly do you believe would cause her to become “highly dysfuntional & damaged good? may get a string of comments indicating you don’t believe me, but i’m not husband-hunting; i’m married with a baby and i am concerned with the state of marriage (more like singleness) in the church today, particularly how people either romanticize it and think that their romance was the only divinely-inspired one, or they become hardened and harsh, driving off marriage prospects, or they spur the hardening of others by quoting useless stuff about being “patient” when, as has been noted, time is not on the women’s side.’m really sorry to hear about all that ton, there’s nothing worse than betrayal. there is a very good chance that i can’t even have children, so that wouldn’t be a problem. (basically, a coworker made moves on her in a car, she sort of pushed him away and said no, he kept going) i was a white knight of course, and horrified. maybe so me of these girls were barbie dolls in their 20’s , maybe these woman had issues they needed their 20’s to work through that we’re out of their control, maybe they were introverted and shy. the problem with all this traditionalist advice to women in their 30s about how to snag a man — by deferring and letting him take the lead, etc. the catch is that real judeo-christian marriage is anti feminist and considered degrading to american woman ( are you up for obeying your husband and calling him “sir” ? and she has no idea that mother nature just gave her a nuclear weapon that, if not used correctly, will explode on her. very smart, creative, great laughs and conversation, our children know and like each other, we have many shared values, some conflicting ones.“that frigid tight wad stuff is working there is not a chance of you being a slut now get sexy and like it. and she has to be conscious that she is trading in her last attractive years for a guy who won’t be there when she needs him most, in her middle-aged to senior years. woman who surrounds herself with platonic men unintentionally puts cockblockers all around her. if he and she have a disagreement on a major matter, the man breaks the tie and they do it his way in crucial matters such as where to live, where he will work, where and whether she will work, the children’s schooling, attendance at church, religious education and major purchases. the ideal is to give the woman a trial run to her mid twenties and throw her back into the pond without kids and/or marriage if she does not make the cut. but frank, he never made a mistake, and he really knew how to treat a woman and make her feel good. if you don’t take the time to let him in – because it’s simply easier to not let him in – both you (and adam) are going to have a hard time finding each other. i said, don’t know the tenth part of my life or any other topic, both of you being thoroughly blinded by your indoctrination. talk to a person ,longer then you normally would, & touch the other person frequently ie their arm, tap their shoulder or arm to emphasise a point you’re making etc. singer wrote, “any two people that can stay together, “like” each other, and raise straight healthy kids has got their act together and is truly blessed.. slutting it up) with some other men behind her husband/master’s back. cartoon for almost any woman wondering why her long-time bf won’t propose:May 17, 2014 at 5:31 am. there is of course a 50% chance that you will lose, and when that happens you will want to sue your lawyer for misfeasance, so it will just go on.. bureau of the census, 2010” and for reference – studies are not dismissed due to age (stupidity to the nth degree here) to be dismissed they have to be found faulty or disproven. female friend was interested in me as more than friends; i was not interested in her as anything but a friend.@norbert – you appear to be a white guy and you magically get to comment on race but no other white person doesn’t? but for me, and other women in their 30s looking to marry, we would need to balance that direct targeting with a broader approach, with no more than 5 must-haves. the chick gives a damn about the people around her. the looking around, the recoiling from kino, the seething disrespect in her eyes were my clues. is it because you were accountable to your stepfather and when he died you had no internal moral guide to steer you? regardless of this debate, you should ask yourself what your intentions are in even being here. the divorced man will be looking for a woman who is pleasant to both look at and pleasant to be around. there is a lot of anti-christian hostility in the cfbc crowd, as there is in the mra crowd (try telling men to be sexually responsible or say something critical of “game” as a means of getting drunk coeds into bed and you’ll see what i mean). that being said, i personally am not averse to dating an older man provided i like him, we have chemistry and there is no pressure on my part to give him a child. however… you can get to your 40s without anyone telling you the importance of status, and the psychological signals of status, in the woman-quest. they also have a 1 year old baby together and everyone;s life revolves around that baby. really hope that the divorce laws change soon, but more importantly, i hope that marriage can return to the way it once was,( yeah, i know, lol, there’s my naive and idealistic side again) so that divorce won’t be necessary. is it impossible for a woman to get sexually assaulted? she needs to widen her attraction filters and consider men she might not otherwise consider. you might scare the hell out of an otherwise great guy, and you will appear desperate. this isn’t about some “i am woman, hear me roar,rah rah rah” feminist argument, it’s just about pulling my own weight and fairness. not join a singles group and date a girl who won’t spread her legs for you until your wedding night? if your daughter can’t abide that, send her to live with her father. a woman in her thirties is not wanting children, her options will be much better. first off, you’ve been getting some hostility because you came in here denigrating the other commenters for negative comments you offered vague information designed to paint you in as favorable a light as possible while blaming your divorce 100% on your ex husband, and you accused your ex husband with the amorphous buzzword “offense” of being “abusive” (more on this later). i also realize, that even if i craved them, no man i meet is going to want to be seen as the “father” of my kids before he’s ready or even willing to make that decision. you say you’re looking for a woman in her mid-30’s. also, that one colleague now has moved back home to her mum, at 39, she kicked her son out as he is 21. another thing to keep in mind is that you don’t have lots of time. but the only person who suffers in the long run, is unfortunately, the woman, which is what eva has found by bitter experience. understand that most men want a women who is financially responsible, pleasant, and fit, but it just seemed you were emphasizing that a woman who doesn’t want kids would be expected to possess these attributes even more so than a woman who does want children. since these women tend to be wealthier and more highly educated than average, plus (as women) they hold all the cards – it is simply inconceivable (okay… pun intended) that all of them are either infertile or nuns.–initiated a divorce from her ex husband because he “forced” them into bankruptcy. rather, it’s a descriptive term of your present state, one that does not mean that you are beyond hope of salvage or redemption. the point was that, since 93%+ of women can give birth during their fertile years, while only about 81% do give birth during that time, and women have 100% reproductive freedom (including substantial economic benefits available to all mothers), the idea that only one-woman-in-a-billion is child-free by choice (which is mikeslinger’s contention) is nonsense on stilts. she could have had a decent life with her man, maybe not the best life; but still a decent one. can see how most would think this would seem unlikely, but the fact remains there are women who are in this situation nut their reasons are not, as you stated, because she has an “inflated idea of who she should be marrying, puts her career ahead of marriage, or simply wants to sleep around…. either doesn’t go to church at all; or attends a church/synagogue but is openly critical and cynical about faith and religion. i am trying to remain positive, but two things are really bothering me. the most important thing to me is that i can trust him, we can make each other laugh, and he is kind. i have had two boyfriends but they were both long distance relationships where we never went all the way, so i’m not completely inexperienced as far as relationships go. i am naturally curious about this topic and am trying to get to the bottom of why there are a lot of people that seem really pissed-off. your dates will be auditions to be his wife and the mother of his children. i’m glad that you found the woman of your dreams.“i sometimes wonder if these women are bothered by it., your womanly lack of knowledge about male anatomy is showing, dear. this isn’t a masculinity contest, because clearly you would be the winner here. the more i thought about it the more it bothered me. the theory is that through projecting confidence without having to rationalize it, such as in actually having something to be confident about, like say, oh an accomplishment or two, that this projection “displays higher value” to the females around you and will actually cause them to want to “qualify” themselves to you, or rationalize their accomplishments or characteristics. would i spend everything i owe to get her healthy? if you meet a man that is sexually excited by you and speaks don’t let what some anonymous guy on the internet (that would be me greyghost there) keep you from that motivate dick. it’s a fantasy in your minds that all of you women are going to hit the lottery and find that needle in the haystack guy that will marry an older woman. given average looks, average age and average weight, a woman’s marriage-ability drops off a cliff with a high n count (at least in relation to other women) – even should she not wish to marry it affects how she is perceived. offer absolutely no constructive advice even though the title of this page is advice to women in their 30s looking to marry. you shame women for getting older, make us feel like we’re worthless if were over thirty and unmarried…if you had it your way every woman over thirty would go crawl under a rock. to the information wyst was willing to disclose, her sole selling point is that she is a nonobese female available for marriage. i came here to refute one comment about women’s desire to have children and had to stay to defend myself against the assumptions being made towards me. regret to say (now i think about it) i have never met a woman in her thirties who ever showed any interest in marriage (or perhaps just in me). here are their protests about being single in the late twenties and thirties:3. nature wouldn’t have permitted pregnancy evolutionarily of there wasn’t chance of success. there’s no room and no time for ambiguity, coyness, subtlety, cloying double entendre, or “cuteness”. post you are commenting on was in no way unkind to the woman in question. as for ‘sacrificial lambs’ i understand you would need them – you’re not tough enough to take on anything else – so you jump on some fucked-up woman like the coward you are… you don’t have the balls, brains or heart to take on anything greater than a messed-up woman who opens up to you and asks for help. of us, however, are savoring our independent lives and have thus developed eccentricities and habits that can get in the way of sharing our lives with another person. alternative is years spent picking over the carbonized ruins of a post-feminist landscape of emasculated young androgynes, empowered divorced men with no intention of re-yoking themselves to the plow, or puas who secretly keep score with each other to see who beds the most young, willing women before moving on to the next. rmax, it’s a curious thing that having a list that’s only that long, and there are still few women out there who could make the cut. this one kept banging away at the same knucklehead for eight years; never learning that obviously neither he nor she were worth marrying to each other. i am thankful for many other good things in my life.) speaking of religion, if either of you will not be equally yoked, don’t go there.  you’re lucky that virginity is no longer viewed as it was previous, otherwise that would continue to be apart of the gold standard. the other side, any 30+ years old man that approach a 30+ years old woman for the purpose of pumping-and-dumping her for few nights is a strategic genius, since he’s just exploiting the fact that woman confuse these approaches with willingness of long term relationships leading to a marriage. it’s also why michael has exclaimed he pursued a high earnings career……to attract a woman. every single person is judgmental, else i expect you, right here and now, to tell pretty women every single day to marry ugly men. an attractive young girl makes a pointless video and uses her pretty young face/body as a video still and receives anywhere from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands or millions of videos within days or weeks. response to the above by greyghost, i meant to write,No, there’s not a chance, but i’m thinking if i were to take your advice about posting explicit things online with total strangers (which again, i will not do) might have the recipient of such posts thinking otherwise. the problem with all this traditionalist advice to women in their 30s about how to snag a man — by deferring and letting him take the lead, etc. divorce or not wanting to bring them into a world where they’ll be exposed to so much. is very hard for us straight guys that are hoping to meet a good woman to share a life with since many of us are just coming out of a divorce, and we just hope to meet the right one this time around especially after having our wife cheated on us. ask god to show you where you were engaging in sin and repent., you made a comment, which i’m not able to now find (apologies) about how a woman coming from a divorced family contributes to a lack of morals on her part. what’s more, these men, these fathers, see what’s going on around them. but it is not equivalent to a promiscuous ride on the carousel, where the sin is repeated, where stumbling blocks are knowingly put before many more people. am not one of those men anxious to marry – a woman in any age group, let alone her thirties – but if i were, then dazzel is hardly – on the basis of her lone comment – going to be someone i might place, even in my long-list. a relationship with a younger alpha, which relationship was going nowhere? whether you decide to keep posting or not is obviously up to, but regardless, best of luck to you and your wife and congrats on your marriage:). i refuse to live in fantasy land where you can ignore the true intentions of the vast majority of them., i took the focus of these thoughts as directed towards women finding men, which is why my answer focused on the woman’s point of view. i didn’t say it was a selling point, what i said was that there are some men who expect these traits (educated and ambitious) in a woman they’re considering for marriage and would not proceed with courtship (in spite of being physically attracted to her) if they discover that she lacks these characteristics. there is nothing that turns a man off faster than this…. if you’re focused on the nonsense you mention in your note, it stands to reason that there isn’t any time left for a significant other — like any other “good” in life, it requires time to find one, and then time to invest in one. men are hated (at least publicly) for being sexually successful with many women; but it’s a woman’s by-god birthright to sleep with as many hot men as possible and delay marriage until the very last minute. in jls we have a hamsterrific woman who is starting to figure out the truth. it has nothing to do with my looks or that i still get mistaken for being an 18-year-old by complete strangers, but rather that i want a man of substance … if that man will have me. however, there is qualitative difference in sin based on its conformance to the pattern set by god.“here we see the only possible reason to ever consider marrying an older, single mommie. so if both the man and woman don’t want children, the man would be looking for what other benefits the woman presents. cant change or undo the actions of another person, you can only take responsibility for your actions & move on …. not all women in their in 30s are the same, just as not all men in their 30s are the same. the unattached guys her age want and can get younger women than her. she broke a contract they both signed before god and country and he must make her whole. some odd reason the western evangelical churches has misunderstood the apostle paul writings and have taught the destructive schizophrenia “grace/favor” supersedes/nullifies the stern commandments of yahshua /apostles (including pauls other writings) and reaping/sowing ( there is no such verse in the ot/nt that shows that).@monad, i’ll check that out, thanks to the other poster for the definition earlier, i thnk i see what you mean. although i do not trust her, i treated her with dignity. because i have always been fortunate in that regard; the last thing i care about is whether or not a woman is a virgin. any older woman who is beyond her child-bearing years and thinks that a younger guy who hasn’t had any children yet is going to stay with her for the long haul is denying reality. go here to get an adjustment for ltr value based on men’s perception of your likely loyalty. if there is a god who created us, then he gave us our brains for a reason. statement is quite indicative of your morals (or lack there of). it’s a bit higher than normal, but that’s due to the field of work.“a lot of so-called “self-esteem” issues are derived from, i think, the fact that the hot alpha studs don’t pay attention to her anymore and don’t want to have sex with her anymore and aren’t falling all over themselves because of her anymore. but there are also many men who don’t want to date a single mother, someone with emotional bagage. basically, you think a man needs to purchase a woman. whatever the case may be, a common thread here i have noticed is that you have to take into account the times we live in. promiscuity is slutdom in the same way that daylight means its morning, and the more promiscuous a woman the less marriageable she is – if you doubt this, ask any man. me elucidate in case someone doesn’t understand that “double standard” is a almost always a projection:When men reject women their own age for marriage in their 30s, how is this different than young women rejecting their marriage minded peers in their late teens and 20s? i’m telling you is that every time i hear some woman tell me “there are no good guys out there,” i am reminded that there are millions of men like adam. to agree with where emk is going on several points. – so are you inferring that that only these 100 schools are the only ones and none of the other schools “party”? we’re rejected by girls, by other men, by possible employers, in sports. if you aren’t here to be helpful toward women, you don’t need to be here. indeed, an increasing number of women reject and resist pronatalist cultural imperatives of femininity that conflate woman with mother, highlighting the emergence of a positive feminine identity separate from motherhood. we just accept that, you on the other hand have to use laws, shame and petty insults to try to get people to believe in your crap.– please point out to the audience where i said a single word about duress decisions. is not my native language, so there might be parts i did not explain well. it starts with sex and goes from there and women with sense can build up such good will in her family and circle that she is immune to hard ship. you will always be unsure of yourself nowhere in culture will you have affirmation not even in church. the other day he joked about watching the comedian’s movies together at his place (he has heaps of his movies). you’re quite right that this woman who is requesting advice from a culturally conservative board has probably already accepted the premises of the traditionalist view of women and marriage. or not the girls that did or did not want you were in their twenties, as you have stated that you are embittered that they did not, it would not change the highly rational part of many of the comments here… none of that changes family court and many of the most reasonable gripes that men espouse when avoiding marriage. has conducted herself pretty well on this site, so let’s give her the benefit of the doubt. didn’t mention your faith specifically, but have you investigated whether there are any christian networks or support groups for widows and widowers in your area? moment a man hears from a woman about how she was always “unlucky in love” …. any consequences are either nonexistent or ineffectual, because they can always be escaped or minimized. were found to have no intend to have children while retaining the ability to do so and another 44 were sterile due to operations specifically intended for contraceptive reasons, for a total of 629. constant repetition of your claim “if a woman says she doesn’t want children – then she is unable or lying” while at the same time presenting data to the contrary shows just how biased you are.. such as the grey of a nice cat’s fur, or the hair of a middle-aged lady., i met her once, when she was about 20 and i was a bit older. love how all the guys posting here rigorously defend their attraction to women extremely younger than themselves by using the tired old “biologically wired” line.. i know the right spelling, that was a typo rather than a spelling error. a leader & dominant & competitive, forces a woman to mature & get herself ready for child birth. names that men adopt in the manosphere and the names that women assume are often very different.’s obvious that i have been labeled a troll by you and there probably isn’t anything i can say to change your mind on that, so it’s time to stop pulling punches and tell you what i’m really thinking. the 50 year old mid life crisis men are the worst.“while i know that a lot of men only require a woman to be pretty, nice, and respectable to be considered worthy, a lot of women, (even those who do possess these qualities) are still not convinced of their worth and desirability.  based on what i have read from men looking for wives in their 30s or later the two key traits you can bring to the table are humility (to a degree) and a serious attitude about marriage. she probably took what she thought she deserved at the time, while most of the wonderful men in her age group met and married their wives. um yeah there are good men right under your nose! a fit, attractive woman can still marry at 30 or even 35. now, i’m not sure if the man would change his mind or not, but, i can say as a woman, i’m less concerned with him changing his mind and more concerned about my welfare in a situation like this. is it possible to be deeply religious (i’m meaning specifically christian here, biblically so) and not want children? and in a certain manner of speaking she is a stranger because you have no history with her. a lot of men on her seem to voice frustration about how women repeatedly tell them they’re great guys and attractive, etc, yet still are (or have been) rejected by women they’re interested in. men generally don’t care about what a woman makes and i am one of them. put it another way – god demands that we love others… a lot. king eventually married an aging divorced gold-digger who had previously spurned him whilst he was an under-graduate in the late 1960s – amazing what money can do to make a woman re-evaluate. i decided to reconcile with my wife it was because i decided that i would rather her kill me in a murderous rage, than to willingly and daily spit on god’s word for my own selfish desires, for my pride and dignity.” i’m sure that wouldn’t help me get a date either.  all women age and if you’re going to insult a woman just because she’s 10 years older than me, you’re basically insulting me 10 years in advance. i’d like to avoid places where hook-ups and casual sexual encounters are encouraged. above scenarios are truly unfortunate and i completely disagree with the lifestyles that led to them, however, you speak mainly about unwed mothers, but i refer mostly to those who are married and did not partake in lifestyles with practices such as “sex/pregnancy to trap a man..if the woman is at all attractive, she is probably in her 20’s and/or the profile is fake…… what guy is going to want to sign up to raise some other guy’s three kids? the confirmed bachelor friend i was writing about told me about his gf buying an expensive espresso machine to her flat as soon as they started dating, so that he could have his beloved espresso also in her flat. continue to throw statistics at me and point out the red flags in my relationship while sitting around waiting for an ideal woman to walk into your life and i will go home, day after day, to a happy marriage. i can see where the cat lady thing comes in. put it more succinctly, the hookup culture exaggerates women’s natural hypergamy, so much so that it may prevent her from ever mating.  so if a man like adam has been paired with her in either of these places, is he to believe that he’s a bad guy? nobody white knights the poor beta ex-husbands who just got divorce-raped, even the manosphere doesn’t really feel sorry for them. everyone here is trying to look younger than they are, dress younger than they are, keeping track of music and new hollywood stars. guy can pay for first date or second, but by third date there should be a split no exceptions. just as women know from a young age that they’ve always wanted to be a mom and have however many children, there are women like me who know from a young age that they never wanted them. there are women who get little or no attention from men. the further humanity continues to stray from the laws of nature the more severe the punishment will be in the future. are incredibly frightened and timid for many reasons adding to it about how altered the playing field has become with media and technology and the women having so much more weight then ever before. interesting enough, these women “divorced” their fathers because they were weren’t good fathers.-a woman’s smv continually decreases, whereas a man’s smv continually increases. i didn’t think there was any point in coming back here for a ‘day 2’ session of getting kicked around – but your posts help me see myself as not so much of an ogre today. another study found for men 45 and over, it’s 2 1/2 years. thankfully i have no desire for kids unless my boyfriend manages to convince me to have one, when we’re married but so far he’s got no baby fever either.& they dont know how to talk to men … as strong masculine attention is no longer there, the closer you get to 30 …. but you’ll never get to know someone long enough to assess compatibility, unless there is attraction first. there were so many things making me think that we would never get beyond a first date, but i went ahead with it anyway.“there is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. she bore him 3 kids before she was 20, and now they’re putting her through law school at 40. money and her job was her priority and our child was just for show just like her car and our house. then of course there were the women, who were just overlooked or never really approached for a relationship; in spite of being attactive and having a lot going for them…. 14% is a huge number compared to what is being claimed here.’m not arguing the fact that birth is more complicated and risky as a woman ages.“it is thought that the higher divorce rate in 2nd marriages is due to people staying together “for the sake of the children” in their first marriage. however, does that really mean that her consent is not ever necessary? you will die, and other people are going to take your stuff. the thing really is, that to move forward, first you have to admit there is something to move forward from. could go a quite a bit deeper w/data but as opus eloquently confirmed it is quite obvious you are a woman and attempting to justify the decision as a deliberate choice vs. if she doesn’t have an inflated idea of who she should be marrying, puts her career ahead of marriage, or simply wants to sleep around, then how exactly does that happen?"i also discovered that i could attract a ton of quality men, in no time at all, if i needed to go back out there. there’s a cuter 35-year-old guy, and a funnier 38-year-old guy, and a richer 40-year-old-guy who are getting your women. it is merely amusing (for me) to observe the countless menopausal women bemoaning their failure to even produce one trophy child as they take their place in their sisters or brothers families, as ‘auntie doris’ who dotes on her nieces and nephews. you need to be there with one hand on the keyboard and one hand working your tickle spot. it is also a fact that men become less woman-obsessed (though never uninterested, i think) as they age.@bee theres no difference in pay between being a nanny and a housekeeper, which is my job. i’d argue that you are correct and that by separating herself from the normative god given behavior the most she is the most destructive of her nature. about a work related lunch to pick his brain / ask questions whether just the two of you or in group? your appeal to join team woman for god will not work either. women have been discouraged from having children after age 35 due to concerns about downs syndrome and other issues. this point in the financial crisis and deepening gender/culture war, a man’s only choice is to get his passport and jump on a plane to either eastern europe, southeast asia or central/latin america. cfbc “from” a womans point of view is simply a “thin veneer” given previous events and decisions that are vast and damaging. nice guy and now they are somewhat shocked at the bluntness of my new found beliefs that were always there but buried deep in feminist bullshit over the past decades.@deti – one other question i didn’t answer…no, i am not relationship/marriage-phobic or anything. finding a woman who did not have or want children was not an easy thing..there are married men who are living from one pay check to the next…in life you dont always get what you want…. he made eye contact with her, engaged her in conversation, asked for her phone number…. women: a good wife will keep this truth very close to her heart. you hear about a few traits that you find less than desirable and automatically assume the worst which is why your image of her is so skewed based on the limited information i have provided. don’t know, i’m thinking if i were to take your advice about posting explicit things online with total strangers (which again, i will not do) might have the recipient of such posts thinking otherwise. the sticking point is that when a woman hits 30 as a never married woman, her options have already been steadingly shrinking; and continue to shrink with each passing month. on the other hand, if having children is not important, your options are more open. i know some woman ( some recently divorced, some never single) and they are looking for actual advice. yes, the opposite is just as true, but only if we’re talking about what a woman has actually witnessed men repeatedly doing, hamster-inspired justification for a woman’s failings don’t count (for example: “i didn’t do anything wrong, because he started it!’m only in my mid-twenties, but i’ve seen it in girls as young as 12 and as old as 40, they always have a circle of hens who make it their life’s mission to see that no other woman ever makes an independent decision, no matter the cost.“my proof is in the fact that you are not married and are complaining about being passed over, the proof is in the evidence of you being here. thee is no man gushing over his beautiful bride for this woman that time has past forever. pleasantness refers to your looks and personality, by looks i don’t expect you to be a red-hot mama or a classical beauty, just someone a prospective man can look at and think to himself, “if i was to get married, i wouldn’t mind waking up to someone looking like her in the morning”. the cases where women cant conceive it is simply changed to “dont want kids” to avoid embarrassment & save face (this is exactly what we did- i went along with it for her sake). they are, when they reserve their beauty and their best years for one man, and help him achieve his goals while he helps her. but a 25-year-old’s man will probably be higher in ten years. can you explain to me how the sins are identical to one another, other than their being sins? it is her choice and what will make her happy, will make me happy. in fact, our friends who are parents particularly love going out with us to get away from talking exclusively about their kids all the time with the other parents they typically spend their time with. to pragmatics, it makes a big difference if a woman is monogamous in terms of std’s, exes to deal with, etc. government has not taken the place of god (as is so often wrongly said); it has taken the place of community because we’ve abandoned personal investment in other people’s marriages in preference for a heartless bureaucracy. if one (and especially both) do not believe in intimacy before marriage, then what else can they do other than marry to make in order to make it legit religiously, morally, and legally? when her attractiveness in the dating market falls off a cliff. you for show clearly you are a woman masquerading as a man ( ie troll). but since the late 90’s, there has been this effort to discount men over 40, while simultaneously boosting the value of women over 35-40 which is right at the tail end of woman’s ability to have children without medical intervention. new pew survey also finds that, by a margin of nearly three-to-one, americans say that the main purpose of marriage is the “mutual happiness and fulfillment” of adults rather than the “bearing and raising of children. contrary to what the feminist overlords teach, a job, a salary, connections, and educational pedigree does not make a woman more attractive. so, when you are 45 chances are higher you will be screwing yourselves, but that does not get you pregnant. a man would not encounter many marriageable women there, but then again, there are not that many marriageable women anywhere (and either way it wouldn’t matter to an mgtow guy). heels are feminine and accentuate the best parts of a woman’s body. for this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. i chose to be with her because of who she is, not how old. sounds like a bitter feminist who is familiar with the manosphere as a whole., any single women in her thirties is a “repeat offender”. apron thinks that according to what she calls “male reckoning,” that the ideal design is for a woman to drop dead the moment she ages out of fertility. didn’t get to read some of your other comments. can’t say i disagree with either of your replies, but i guess i had a more important point that i wanted to make but didn’t express very well. apologies for mixing up the two west coast guys on here. repentance from her feminist ways of degrading men and a spirit of humility and submission to god? but what deti describes is true: with a “sexy” woman a man is filled with lust, and wants to take her then and there. this book is further proof to what mike singer said earlier (yes, i am agreeing with something he said) about how biased surveys done by authors with a book to sell can be. like to mock others by “putting quotes” on their words. most likely outcome is the relationship will persist until her imperfections are clear. there’s life after you put your clothes back on. i’m sure they’re out there, but they are not among the childfree groups i belong to. if your best friend met her husband in line at the grocery store, shouldn’t you get to meet yours in the same way? were actually rendered null and void, some new term would be coined in short order to refer to “woman who has had so many sex partners as to make her a large risk to any man in an ltr/marriage”. telling a woman in her 30s that she should focus on settling and that she can’t have the best in life because of her age is silly. truth, is, that carolina, despite her protestations, showed no serious marital intent, and is now crying because she is not quite so slim and need to start all over again.” it conjures up caricatured movie images of a pot bellied, unshaven, unkempt man in a “wife-beater” undershirt slapping around and bullying a cowering, weeping woman half his size. it seems that all of your angst is misdirected towards childfree women when women who are already mothers are getting more abortions than any other demographic. the more i read your responses, the more i’m convinced you’re not looking at all for dialogue but rather to condemn, judge and mock and those who believe differently than you and that’s unfortunate.“thank you for reinforcing my original reasons for not continuing to post here.) it’s about creating and raising children; secure in their parentage, heritage, and place in the world. wouldn’t go the surrogate route in your place either.” as you coach her on tying the rope around her waist you notice that she is 20 pounds over weight. from a happily married father on a post feminist world.“although the majority of women in europe and the united states continue to become mothers at some point in their lives, both reproductive choice and greater autonomy have created the possibility for women to choose to remain childfree, in ways not possible for previous generations of women. i have one good friend who can barely stand to talk about it without it sending her into paroxysms of bitterness and grief. what do you have to offer him other than your body and your communications skills? – a woman with divorced parents to me wasn’t a deal breaker, but it sure as hell was a red flag. to let you know, some of the other things you named sound like they are straight out of the feminsit playbook. a girl with a figure like this: i i just isn’t interesting to the eyes, whether it’s 20″ from side to side or 36″ from side to side. want very little in common with a woman i marry aside from the same family-raising goals. become “less attractive” in their 30s than in their 20s? i have made compromises- a good job over height (he is my height – 5 feet 9 ish), he doesnt look quite like the men i’m used to dating but he is solid, has an amazing job which is a useful bonus in these tough economic times but finally i am at that stage where i don’t feel i’ve settled- i just feel very very blessed to find someone like that. all men have a problem with a woman’s profession. if she is late 30s and up, younger men see that and think only of the here and now. to divorce her later, claim the child of the union and child support payments off her, since shes working and earning more. i’m sure there’s other men who hold these beliefs as well, but i think the problem with this mentality (even if it is based on many observations rooted in truth) is that it seems to encourage and justify sexual harrassement, hostility and in some cases, even physical and sexual assault towards women due to the belief that there all “nothing but a bunch of wh*res anyways,” not even human beings really, and therefore unworthy of being treated with respect. the other hand, with women over 30, well, there’s plenty of advice here and i can offer none except to parrot what others have said before. i do agree with you on the comment about men that think a woman that does want kids is crazy. i’m not here to list my reasons for my choice or justify it. which resulted in divorcing their fun ex-hubbies for not being good fathers and husbands. if that’s the case, then they’ve most likely already had a chance to get to know each other as people. personally would like to marry a woman with less than 10 sexual partners on her personal history. last thing – happiness in and of itself is a bad goal for a society to have because too few people are actually able to see that strategies for short term happiness and long term happiness actually work against each other., alpha males do not stay in relationships for more than three months (according to comments here), much less eight years, so how could she not have seen him as anything other than an alpha? every single woman who comes on these threads and every one i’ve talked to in my entire life has a regret about that great guy or those wonderful men who loved her to the ends of the earth and would have done anything for her, and even proposed marriage to her, but it just couldn’t be for whatever superficial reason. pragmatically eugenics doesn’t work either, no more than an all-powerful government or an all-powerful dictator. also, a woman with higher education who even works part-time in her field, can make a make a lot more in much less time than one with no education. for whatever noble sounding bullshit you use to justify it, that is what you and others call for. you (the collective you) seem to assume that all woman out there are just like the ones you have encountered in your past.  it’s not fair to place an expectation on me to give you a child when i already have so much that i’m dealing with because you waited to long, and with this i’m not trying to be harsh but it really isn’t, and with a lot of these men there is that expectation. therefore: you think it’s acceptable to fornicate outside of marriage in an absurd attempt to gain marriage.” without a “strong masculine men to dominate her & balance her? choose to honour her, appreciate the blessings that she has given you, and overlook the sins with love as a daughter who esteems her mother. many women who imagine themselves educated, and imagine that it’s there best feature, aren’t all that intellectually stimulating. when the reality is that nothing could be further from the truth. men are never put off sex, because the lighting is wrong or because the furnishings do not meet with their approval or for any other reason whatsoever. i can’t be bothered about it less, as those who like me or love me (including men) don’t really care if i get paid for arguing, sowing or painting. more specifically, they tend to mean someone is morally dissolute and/or either does not have a college degree or does not identify with that level intellectually, and wishes to broadcast this.  there is no shortage of younger guys who are fat, out of shape, couch potatoes, video game addicts, etc…. first of all, being cf myself, and occasionally visiting cf fora, cf is more common than some guys here seem to think.– please point out where i said i prefer women who are fat, old and ugly. what other men choose to do is on them, but i have seen to much to fall for the pro marriage propaganda team woman likes to spit. wonder if the average 30+ year old women past her biological expiration date, with high partner counts, loaded with debts (student loans, partying etc), feels any conscious remorse or biting awareness; when she passes herself off as something she is not; in the process marrying a man with the types of qualities she rejected in the beauty of her youth – a good man, a provider, low partner counts, a good person, responsible, a man with low/no debt, good father etc. find a godly older woman; preferably a flesh and blood one who pulls no punches. how can any man risk marrying a woman who has travelled extensively all over the world with friends and think she can keep a non-slutty reputation intact, oh wait i’m a misogynist, knuckle dragger how dare i judge her behaviour when she was travellinnnnngggggggggggg.  any other reason is not a healthy reason to marry. well after so much time and putting up with the aggravation of it all, it’s just a lot easier to forget about commitments and even dating as many of us find other ways to enjoy life. i have no idea why women dont seem to grasp the facts here. tracy is saying the exact same thing guys say about dating younger women – the only difference is the female perspective – and so many guys are quick to jump on her for it. also keeps asking why i settled or resigned myself to a woman who doesn’t meet your standards. you seriously doubt this – the media has been vomiting artificial insemination/single parent by choice for single career women who can afford it while screaming at the top of their lungs “where are all the good men at? for her part, she was the typical woman who reacted poorly to my blue pill self. you live in sandiego by the beach, a lot of people love it there, for me personally you would have to be paying me way more than 200,000 a year to live there. interestingly, she readily admits her mistake and knows she is not relationship material and has self inflicted emotional damage. while there are women whose best feature is there personality, and it sells the rest of them… or looks, and it makes their personality tolerable, that’s never been the case with ‘educated and ambitious’, it never sells the rest of the package. guarantee you her past “mistakes” ( if that’s even what she calls them) are directly blamed on some man…father, priest, uncle, ex-boyfriends, ex-husbands, men in general. paige, it seems, basically applied her own extreme experience to her advice, like you have. as a woman, i can say many of the women i have known have just assumed a man would be there, just as dalrock has said before. but it took her a matter of years to figure that out, despite the fact that she completely interwove her life with his, lived with him, ate with him, lived her life with him, shared a bed with him, and took on the role of “wife”. and these men who want fast nsa sex and who won’t ever offer commitment will move on to other targets. 35 starts the big decline in fertility, and with a 1yr requirement… and that’s assuming you can knock her up in the first year. her boss has been my client for 5 years and gets my bills. after we broke up ( myself being a monogamist my entire life) i decided not to enter another committed relationship., problem is that i’m sick of the fembots feeling an obligatory right to mark “their” territory by befouling every branch and rivulet of every public conversation and riding pc herd marking their territory wherever they go. to the manosphere……i knew there was a red pill woman in you.@vascularity777 i really try to find an older god-fearing woman to model, it’s concrete advice that would help to me ground myself faster. all that statistic says to me is that there are a lot more unhappy first marriages out there than subsequent marriages. there are a lot more men in the 5’8’s, 5’9’s, 5’10 men then 6′ and 6++ men. i choose much of what the christian manosphere says to chose. so for discriminating men a woman looking good in her late teens is a maybe, whereas a woman looking good later is a better bet. this woman still thinks that her situation is someone else’s fault.: did your father advice you to do these things or did you not ask or listen to his advice? she was so taken with this guy who was giving her all this attention.. referring to them as “sluts” because they are “outside of the covering of a father or husband. women in their mid-30s or later almost seem shocked when the level of attention they receive from all men, including those their own age, plummets as those women get older. i am extremely independent person- rather introspective- kind of a loner but not alone. glass: “i probably shouldn’t need to put it out to you, but you do get exactly where that leads you to, logically, right? the mgtow and the peter pans give her no gina tingle options so she stays on to ride the carousel. probably shouldn’t need to put it out to you, but you do get exactly where that leads you to, logically, right? reminds me of how my parents told me that because i am black and a woman, my dreams of becoming a fiction writer had zero chance of becoming true,Hadn’t they heard of of octavia butler? i think that if she is in her early to late 30s and she wants to be married, its a good idea to save up some of her earnings and get a small home (somewhere. her comment about girls having a hard time giving away their virginity also doesn’t ring true for me; i have chosen to save sex for marriage so i could be biased and overly optimistic, but based on previous encounters and offers, i could lose my virginity very easily by this weekend if that were what i wanted to do. i don’t disagree, i’ll have to read and reflect though on whether the two scenarios are identical. i live in a rural area (not in or near any big cities) and there are limited opportunities to meet people.@perspective “there’s many men here who keep insisting that a woman’s education is completely worthless. so, this thread – a thread it should be remembered merely about the best way for a woman in her thirties, should she be minded to, to go about attracting a man – has now garnered no less than one thousand three hundred and fifty six comments (1,356). as in, when the older woman will not be referred to as a “cougar,” “cradle robber,” and the younger man will not be accused having an oedipal complex or just being in it for the sex? nothing straight forward, passive aggressive, say one thing do another. all of the other typical excuses she thinks make her more attractive at age 31.’m curious how a 29 year old woman goes about “upping her own value and worth as a woman”? i don’t find it particularly fair for fathers to be so much older either. life gets rather boring very quickly with just two people.’s do a little math………when did father get booted out of the house in earnest by the feminist movement? her standards for men are way, way out of sync with her marriage market value. although i found childfree women located within a wide range of social groups, i did find a relationship between being childfree and higher social class. they may wear shoulder pads (metaphorical and otherwise) but they are faintly ridiculous..A disclaimer for my long-winded personal tale upthread:I am a 30-year-old woman who missed the marriage boat because i rode the cock carousel. her standards for men are way, way out of sync with her marriage market value. in most cases, when i’ve heard a guy say he’s looking for an educated and ambitious woman (that he’s also physically attracted to of course) then that’s exactly what he’s looking for."tron - that may be but that still doesn't follow that you would therefore assume that anyone in a relationship with a partner less attractive than the other is somehow trapped. still, i have never been to massachusetts so perhaps it is different there, but why, do i get the impression that bridge is having trouble finding that christian grey type to ravish her yet all she ends up with is betas who get their wicked way? final nail in the coffin is the majority of society – friends, relatives, the divorce court, feminists at the top – siding with the woman against the man. another practical view, make sure you’re getting to know the person beneath that skin. nor have i accused her of anything outside of what she admitted. do you go for much higher odds of being forced into sin in a situation which “feels” much better and is much more comfortable at the outset (23 year old), or do you go with a much lower chance of being forced into sin, even though there was probably sin galore before you got into the picture and it doesn’t “feel” nearly as good at the outset (35 year old)? ladies go the other direction and look for superficial status symbols, like style or money. statistics are not readily available on the web, but there is an excellent book on the subject called ‘kidfree and lovin’ it! cat lady thing was to show the frustrations an older woman will have when you really start to talk about actually getting married in your thirties. i do think that within marriage, intimacy is “a wifely duty,” however, if the wife is pretty much always consistent on that front, but occasionally is just too exhausted, stressed, ill, or maybe even just not in the mood, does that really mean its ok for her husband (or boyfriend for the “religious” non practicing) to just wait untill she’s asleep and do what they please? at 40, they increase 60% over when a man was in his 20s, even with a woman under 25. most women’s smvs are higher than their mmvs, for this very reason. one woman i knew cheated three times on her husband and claimed that she was raped all three times. a woman has a one night stand every saturday–to fulfill her “emotional needs”–then she only commits 52 instances of extra-marital sex. it is no less valid a thesis than any other one. think chris rock summed up it up very well in his series “not scared” – any attempt to make a woman happy is only screwing yourself. i’m probably more of an omega than an alpha though, maybe there’s something in some women that can’t help but be fascinated by the moth that isn’t fluttering about their flame. is a huge opportunity being missed here by the online dating companies. maybe am just ignorant, but again, i’d rather keep it that way. would agree that one of the things i kept trying to work through with my wife was that the world didn’t revolve around her (or me for that matter). they have a lot of dating options, they’re building their careers, and there isn’t a clear urgency to settle down. why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? are a lot of great guys out there who are in their 40s and 50s, who are in great shape. a lady in an online community i went to posted the article fretting because she was worried about her own love life.’m not sure exactly what you’re accusing me of, because i’m reading your words here as being that of which you are accusing me. i certianly learned some of mistakes to avoid from my father as he raised me, but i learned a whole new quantity of them from several coworkers of all ages. how many women give their free time to organizations let alone there precious money to different religious organizations? after all, if i’m just a woman it should be expected that you could lift more than i could.“for even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.. there’s a term i haven’t heard in a while. big part of why men are pissed is that they come here, learn about game, and then try it out on dates, or girlfriends, or wives, and discover that it works – in most cases, spectacularly well.’ll cover conversation later, as its late over here … lol.  there’s no shortage of younger guys who are killing their brain cells as fast as they can, with all manner of drugs, chemicals, and alcohol. let me ask you this: how is your relationship with your father? i’m going to have to save that one for her she is 12 now. jumps up and runs to open her castle doors for the good men.  what if you did meet a wonderful  woman and she had no children and really desired them ? would put the emphasis in that lest sentence on together, not on he.., advice to a woman in her 30s looking to marry a christian man) because i have a feeling that a lot of women and other people come in here believing that this is a secular discussion, and then take a double barrel shotgun blast of fire and brimstone when they are looking for help, information, and perspective. every individual extra-marital sexual act is fornication, whether or not it is done with the same person. i’m faithful in my church…and they’re not there. now the kid has no father because he can only see him 1 hour per week supervised visit…and the father never struck the child once, but he’s deemed as a bad parent (he took care of the kid while she was out cheating on him). part of this story that *is* hard to believe is that a rabbi, anywhere, is going to marry two dykes. completely that marriage is a poor, poor idea for any man, religious or not, with the sole exception of one who is certain he wishes to have children with that specific woman. men care about a woman’s character, however, a woman’s physical attractiveness is a an important factor than men consider when determining whom to date or settle down with. and that is my biggest issue with what is being said here. can recall two unmarried women in their 30s who married great guys ………both to same-aged, divorced men with children. when a woman is aroused and attracted by a man, she will do anything sexual — anything — for or with that man. phreak is a sling figure of speech for a very sexual woman. she can deny it all she wants, but that dude is still in her head and her heart. couples are having their children in their late 30’s and early to mid 40’s. and any individual woman or man sometimes encounters things that are out of their control.@perspective — “and then of course there were the women, who were just overlooked or never really approached for a relationship; in spite of being attactive and having a lot going for them. i know that most men don’t mind a woman having less education and income than themselves, but the overwhelming majority that i’ve met expect at least some post-secondary and the ability to hold down a job.’d better understand that he’s going to have to put up with her endless comparison about how he never measures up to her ex. but to be honest after 35 both alpha and beta males are skittish about any relationship with her. i look at things other than looks, ever since i first started navigating the dating world, with no direction, guidance, and a plethora of misinformation, like most people who grew up in the west. i can go put another nail in my coffin (smoke a cig). its the couple together- and together they lose the wonderful family dynamic- and sometimes they lose the family altogether in a divorce. creates an emotionally satisfying relationship only for the woman, but the man is never able to lower his guard & build a relationship, which satisfies all his needs, as he has to be alpha all the time, in order to keep the wife. on the 25th february 2013, (wherein i discuss caroline – the girl who had the same guy from the age of 20-28) should be re-read, especially by new-girl ctgvip, who may have missed it. is quite interesting to see the reaction of one of them who i told this to (she was very attractive ex- trophy wife who was very, very, wealthy from her divorce (she was married to one of the san diego padres owners). met my so online, and i think that’s because: (1) we were able to meet in a non-dating online forum for a common interest rather than a generic “match” type site; and (2) we were able to start to get to know each other before i had to make a real investment in time and energy. today, men are taught to be like women, women are taught to be like men, sluts are everywhere and virtuous women are hidden in places where no man can find them. thanks to dalrock, deti’s and other men’s postings, i was able to convince one of my brother’s daughters (early 20’s) to get her boyfriend to marry soon; and she is doing that right now. said, you have touched on something important, and that is your perception – real or otherwise – that women are content being alone, with their fulfilling careers, friends and families, and are not all that interested in finding a relationship. it’s the girl that was not picky enough and lacked confidence in her twenties. where do you think i got when if a women says they don’t want babies they are lying or they cant ?) in the two cases where i was being sued, the other party kept asking to cut a deal and i kept saying “…nah, lets go to court” and they dropped the case just hours before we got there. church seems to be a place many women in thier 30s find themselves going to every or every other sunday in the hopes of meeting a husband. the long run a woman’s happiness will depend far more on her own attitude than who she chooses. i’m 4 months into being 30, but i’ve been aware of my impending expiry date as a marriageable woman, partly because of my mother’s training. they are sexually exclusive with each other, and “accountable” to each other, and go through the motions of trust and emotional intimacy and commitment. no 21st century woman with an iq over 70 would do any of this or put up with any of this (except maybe for the weight thing, but most women i know who feel pressure about weight get that pressure from other women, the culture and the media). no, but i’ve seen it happen often enough (including in my own marriage, where only the real threat of us losing our home got my wife to straighten up, fly right, turn her credit cards over to me, swallow some common sense pills, and finally accept my fiscal headship) to know that it’s the most painfully common fiscal scenario in a marriage.“then i was contacted by a 37 year old divorced woman. but her secret-millionaire-handyman-prince will be along soon to rescue her. i may, is there any sin involved in a monogamous sexual relationship that stays monogamous? it starts with sex and goes from there and women with sense can build up such good will in her family and circle that she is immune to hard ship. i can only wish that my parents or teachers had addressed these points to us as callow youths. you women are here for a reason…because those upper top 10 to 20% of worthy guys haven’t found you worthy. this self defeating “all women only care about millionaires” garbage is bull- a great excuse because you don’t want to bother improving yourself – like so many women, who can afford to at least, do with gym and surgery. if it’s a “mistake”, there are women out there making this “mistake” five, ten, 15, 20 times. i even tried pushing that to my brother’s children (all woman family). and if they feel they’re not good enough, it can be difficult to open up to another person and sustain a relationship.. modern women, are fed lies about what men want or look for in women, assuming that the woman in question is told anything at all.” it is a mistake for a woman to stifle emotions because it is impossible. same advice goes for carolina: be pleasant and feminine, guard your virtue, stay fit, dress well, no tattoos or body piercings other than earrings. you are telling yourself and everyone here lies about what you think women want when you really have no idea.– a greater risk of having a child with down syndrome or other chromosomal abnormalities. so i desire other things – good looks, youthfulness, caring, attentiveness, ‘father’ potential (not a highly paid sunday dad but someone who will atually raise the kid, dad with the capital d). the case of the manosphere, a cultural anthropologist would spend time listening and then observing to see if some of the claims made – that women are sexually turned on by domination, that women seek dominant men, will actually fight other women to be in the circle of a dominant man, that women, at least some women, are happy deferring to their partners – might bear out. but i’m glad you were blessed with some happiness together while she was still here and of course, the gift of your child together. her emotional state is giving him all the value of the word “love”. he has married before, he will be more acceptable into getting into a married relationship with a divorcée in her 30’s as opposed to a single guy. they thus reject the very men to whom they might otherwise have been well suited. expecting men to ignore female promiscuity is equivalent to a man expecting a woman to ignore male impecuniousness – cinderella remember was both chaste and impecunious! who knows, but i’m certainly not giving the ex another chance. it may be slightly more complex than that, but i see looks at the top of most lists of things guys here are looking for in a woman. advice to women in their 30s looking to settle down: forget about mr.: marriage is either important to you, or it’s not. so the cbfc boards are filled with women who have nothing good to say about mothers in the workforce getting special treatment – which is a core component of feminism. things such as internal distractions, personal and life stresses, pressure, and lack of attraction to the woman. i’m not looking for an argument or being snide (it’s hard to convey tone online), i just genuinely want to know: if you have a girlfriend, and she’s dead asleep in bed next to you while you’re awake and aroused, is it acceptable to spread her legs and start humping her until she wakes up in pain? my mother wasn’t willing to give up her job to be a housewife and look after anybody either, my brother had already moved out to escape my mother’s abuse, and i didn’t want my stepfather to have be both father and mother as he was dying, so i dropped out of college and stayed home to help in any way i could. the wife will feel far higher status than her husband, along with likely having easy access to higher-status males through her work. so it just seems unfortunate for those women close to or beyond 30, who actually did and do respect themselves, and yet still come across judgements from others who assume they haven’t. i’ve heard the term “hamsterbation” around here before but i don’t see how my posts can be described that way. men have some really interesting ways of confusing a woman. nearly every young woman can find a basically suitable man to marry. the supreme irony is that back in my single days, if i’d had a “badboy”past that i repented of, i’d have been seen as more appealiing by a lot of churchy women; the returning prodigal is seen as s better catch than the righteous older brother who never ran away. a woman will not respect a man who treats her as an equal. there are indeed men who want and expect to be able to have a conversation with a woman they’re considering for marriage (wouldn’t it be pretty boring if they couldn’t? her daughter is a teenager so that dynamic is a bit different but they also get along well. luckily, there are still a few cool guys out there who see women as actual people instead of sex toys. don’t know the tenth part of my life, or the bible or any other topic on hand.

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you would know what a man finds attractive instead of getting your cues from cosmo / self / femanzi and your self esteem would be obviously higher and you wouldn’t need implants for men to find you attractive and most important – you would be married to a decent guy. it isn’t that fathers are male feminists or that they want to sabotage their daughters’ lives. recently, his marriage went south for several reasons which i won’t list but it involves his wife’s behavior as an average strong-hamster woman. more often her dates are “hanging out” at her house or his; or drinks for an hour or two. my theological understanding is that it is a sin, a sin i’ve repented for, and that it can stop there and be different than a pua.’m a 32 year old woman who gets hit on frequently by men over the age of forty who are hoping that i can give them children.@lyn87 – “there is no reason to think it still applies. single women in their mid-thirties tend to fall into one of two categories;either the carousel-rider or the weird and bad-tempered, but i fear that the normal but virginal are as rare as the arabian phoenix (a bird much spoken of but little seen). there is a little truth to it, but the relative less availability of women overall makes it a weaker effect. women i was referring to have all the traits you described as desirable, with the exception of “submissive,” however, neither are they “ballbusters. i don’t identify with the feminist movement with the exception of one or two pet issues, and i just can’t be the aggressive woman who “challenges” them that they would want me to be. interestingly enough many of them were very smart, poised, educated, did quite $$$ well, and lived in southern california (san diego/los angles where there are no shortage of men). problem isnt the men in the church – the problem is her.’m 34 and i still don’t want kids so for many men here i’m considered “damaged goods” right? big reason is that there are a lot of men who have lost everything in a divorce – lost wives, families, children, property, and enormous amounts of money – all because their wives simply didn’t want to be married anymore. there’s nothing wrong with this if it works for you., the commentators on here know their subject matter pretty well ….–your husband undertaking defensive postures and restraining you from hitting, striking, pushing, or otherwise physically injuring him. on the opposite end, for every bill gates (he was from a wealthy family too- whoops sorry to burst your beta geeks always win in the end mentality) there are millions of beta geeks who work under an alpha mba. the other side, the notion of love for a man is an altruistic notion. no wonder that men who sacrificed and saved in order to be a responsible father are increasingly unwilling to give what they earned to globe-trotting strumpets who gave her best years to anonymous men in exotic locales. don’t ask a woman, not even your closest female friends. but considering my income and connection to her boss she is not beyond my level.” i now realise where i have been going wrong for so long, rejecting such woman as pump and dump playthings when all along they were preferred candidates for marriage. and if she does, why does there seem to be an assumption that she has somehow “tricked” him, or that he will eventually wake up and leave her? a lot of men on her seem to voice frustration about how women repeatedly tell them they’re great guys and attractive, etc, yet still are (or have been) rejected by women they’re interested in. me add that there is even less area under the female curve because the super attractive part up until age 18 is not even legal for dating. these are the people others think are in your league. my aunt had her last child at 40, my mothers best friend had her last child at 44, healthy. 40 and over are at a higher risk for children with several different mental and physical disorders, many women in their 30s know this and are probably reluctant to date in your age group. i am an average looking woman with a great personality (according to my workmates and friends anyway) but really, i am one of those semi-quiet women (the kind that only gets talkative around people she already knows). and the way that a lot of men seem to think most women by a certain age have engaged in “sl*ttery,” (whether it’s true or not) as some call it, or due to the belief that they didn’t have a man to “put them in their place. personality, character, intelligence, values, interests, and other things that they they have “going for them” are aspects of compatibility which may make or break the relationship — but attraction is not compatibility — and all relationships begin with attraction. so these women’s fathers were saturated in the feminist culture as much as every one else. someone mentioned being scared of seeing a 50+ year-old-woman’s body, but it is way scarier to see a naked man in his 50s, especially someone who has let himself go.“i like to mock others by “putting quotes” on their words., as a woman who has reached 30, and also wants to get married i do appreciate the advice to be realistic and humble in your expectations to find a good man that can tolerate you. get a 37 to 40 yr old woman and still have kids., i am not an advocate of bastard children & fatherless homes. what i mean is that she has to bring a lot of sweet, submissive, feminine personality and domestic skill to offset her age and sexual experience and baggage. why in the hell would men in my age group, that are good looking, have better bodies than most 20 year olds in the gym and have earning power want to give it all up to marry a woman? suppose a woman find herself in the same situation and turns down a man she is not attracted to and feels no chemistry with…. he told me on our second date that he was not interested in being a father at any point in his life, which is great because i’m not interested in kids, either. think you ladies need to stop with the propaganda that the choices of men out there are so poor, but then you seem to think that the women are worthy? she was a daughter of israel who strayed and went flirting with the canaanites surrounding her, who fell prey to a canaanite prince and was violated for walking into that trap. woman virginal or otherwise is worthless to society without strong masculine men, to put her in place. again…as woman try so hard to look younger and beautiful it makes sense for her to date a man at least 3 to 5 years younger as woman also live longer by 7 years generally of the men her own age…or date someone your own age…men are pedophilies always looking for the baby girl right out of the womb! and the higher your n, the less “sticky” your bonding ability becomes; until at some point you become unable to bond. the older her partner is the less likely a woman is to carry a baby to term., here is are couple of verses to put a nail in the coffin of ” that appears to have been successfully completed – there is no reason to think it still applies.’s so many comments that i’m not sure if any woman will get to mine but i feel that what i have to say is important to understand for women no matter what age:Recognize, accept and empathize that men have a been given a rotten deal. does that mean that such a man or woman should commit adultery because they’re already sinful? have a certain viewpoint which include very very unkind words regarding a woman/couple who proceed forward with a abortion/murder due to convenience. although i’d like a partner, i ultimately think it’s not really a problem for me to be where i am in my life right now.. “of those women over 30 who divorce after five or so years of marriage, what percentage find another victim within 12-24 months and remarry and what percentage find that they’ve blown their one and only shot at marriage and are destined to be cougar wannabes and/or feline foster parents for the rest of their lives? in generalities here, it sounds like you are protecting men’s (in this case michael’s) best self-interest. it takes a rather robust person of strong character to “know thyself’ the good and the evil and work at reducing the evil and increasing the good. if a woman does that , this signals to me a cold shoulder and i do like so in return and i hold my position. suggest that a trend to remain childfree and an articulation of the lack of desire for motherhood create new possibilities to forge a childfree femininity. you’ll never be sure whether the child is yours. your best friend met her husband in line at the grocery store, shouldn’t you get to meet yours in the same way? you can’t stop her, and her debts become your debts). i would think that if these men think it difficult for the 30+ woman to find a relationship with one of her male peers, then it would be even more so with a younger man, who is probably looking for even younger women than men the same age as the 30+ women. it would do no good to tell her that at 31 and never married she has entered an almost kind of “guilty until proven innocent” stage., if she wants to keep a house and slay the dragons, that’s her choice. did that have any bearing on how you perceived her and the relationship?, am a woman, never been married, have no children and 34 soon to be 35. instead of giving me a chance she would rather gamble (and lose) those last remaining years of her 20’s on another cad alpha player with hundreds of party, club, vacation photos arm in arm posing dozens of girls many of whom are more attractive than her. obviously i am mistaken and far from being a mother figure she is the perfect loving wife – lucky you. yes, women can mature past that 20’s mindset, present social norms encourage women to dive further into that 20’s mindset.  why would any woman want to put herself in that situation? i am good person and have always thought if i do end up in the right place i will make a great partner and mother, even if the children are adopted. are you certain that her views on remaining without children will not change? fact that you compare paragraph #1 with paragraph #2 means you lack the most basic fundamental level of discrimination that men demand of other men (the same discriminaton that society does not demand of people like you) because you are a woman. whether a woman get a world-class case of mad-cow baby rabies after that window is closed is a moot point, since she is functionally the same as a woman who has hated children with a purple passion from the day she was born – the result is the same either way. if there is a unforeseen change – then there is a amendment to the agreement. at what point is it her fault she is husband-less? sometimes she cannot learn how not to be ruled by her emotions. love how all of the guys on here think they know what every other guy in the world wants in a woman. if a woman wants this in a husband, then it stands to her reason that he would want the same thing from here (because we are the same dontcha know. they are not here so insecure guys can pontificate about their own imaged prowess and play truly horrible games of imagin d biological competion. want to know a clue women, that constant holding out, saying no to every guy, thinking there is this magical “fantasy” god like guy is such a turnoff to men that men run from women with those delusional “fantasies”. and no dirtiness but none of that stiff setting stuff either. somewhere, now way up above, such that i doubt i could even locate it, i listed by number of posts all those women who had come here to explain that dalrock was wrong.“she can plough ahead like the typical american woman and go to meetup groups, friends, community activities and probably stay single or settle for someone way below her expectations or she can have a metanoia and turn from her developed bad habits. if that truly was the most important factor in your decision to be with that person, i feel sorry for you as you grow older together. but since they won’t even take her home for a pump & dump anymore, she’s now decided she’s really attracted to accountants with receding hairlines and middle managers with expanding waistlines. i am a man, i lost my virginity on my wedding night, and i’m part of a religous subculture where that is preached and taught as the expected norm. i swear, i’d rather read an irs tax book than read through this depressing sh*t…. but society is not going to change during my lifetime with regards to marriage rules, so i am changing my little corner of the world and providing advice to the next younger generation based on the good blogs and useful comments i have read here (yes, including yours). from what i can see there is a christian element to it, which is why i like it. i knew a woman who maintained a veritable zoo on her property, literally, acres of cool animals, inside and out, it was fascinating, and in no way off putting..) one of your problems will be that the men who would otherwise be interested in marrying you aren’t as romantic as they once were. you reasoning is incorrect – “of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end”. for every time i had heard a woman say (after having sworn she never would ) that having a family was the best thing she ever did i would be a wealthy man. i’ve done modeling work at this time and there are literally no differences. i will be more than happy sitting at home where i cant get disbarred, and you cant pawn my watch you took off the dresser. are these girls oblivious to what other women of the past (and in other countries) knew instinctively? granted, i’ve seen a few drop by in other threads who have posed questions or sought the manosphere perspective in a genuinely respectful and sincere way, and these are the women who are generally treated with courtesy and respect in return. whatever brings two people together will either keep them together or break apart. the point is whether they are and can be attracted to men who will marry them; whether they can handle the rigors and pressures of marriage and motherhood; whether they can withstand the natural good times and bad times of marriage without bailing out; whether they can understand their own hypergamous natures and not succumb to them when something or someone better comes along; and whether they can give their husbands good, regular sex at reasonable intervals without either losing their minds or becoming harpie nags. this animal wasted my 30s, divorced me, and now here i am. these issues “that prevent her from forging and sustaining healthy relationships,” can take years of intense therapy and work towards healing; an arduous processs that may very well take into her 30s and beyond. there is a correlation between “tats” and income is inconsequential since i think you are missing the point.“the cold cruel truth is that most women look better in their late teens than at any other time in their life… because that’s when they are healthiest and most fertile. when you’ve watched the destruction a woman and her ‘flighty’ decisions have on your child’s life….  it’s not that i have anything against the notion of being with a man in his forties, but rather i just find it very hard to relate to them. if she is fortunate she find a guy “just like her” – sounds like ideal relationship material imo 🙂. i suspect what a women finds valuable in herself and what a potential spouse find valuable are two different things nearly 100% of the time. bummer for you because–as the rest of your remark indicates–you have no idea how she can help keep herself from getting into the same situation because you think “shit happens”, and it just “happened” to her. for me, as a black woman, the black church isn’t the best place as there are very few men in the church (most tend to be married even if their wives don’t attend church at all or attend another church, or older, or divorced, which isn’t an entirely bad thing, but you never know). of my friends had miscarriages in their mid-20s and another friend gave birth to an autistic baby at 24. often people have standards for others that are higher for others than what they have for themselves – this is hypocrisy.  do you not even realize how many other women are out here, wishing they had that?…and i would add that a woman who marries in her twenties, will always look that way to her husband in some sense. given the “education”, higher income, and contraceptions available- one would think that abortion would drop to practically nothing. he said, he feared for her if anything were to happen to him. by my late twenties, that had to some degree changed my own conduct, but only so much, the consequences are still there. also there is the advantage of looking young to these men, yet being more mature than a 20-25 year old. of dalrock: somebody tried to disparaged him as “dalie” the other day, and i thought that was awesome. at least not without significantly lowering her standards drastically and immediately. big part of why men are pissed is that game and the truths taught here absolutely decimate their pretty lies and illusions about the true nature of women. but you should not write anything further about your personal circumstance here. this is unusual, especially for a shy woman living in a rural area who doesn’t bar hop. the numbers are such that on a given street, one of the houses on either side of you has a victim, a perp,, or both in it. may be that there have always been women who preferred to remain childfree. you cannot control when, where, how, or even if you’ll meet a man. and one of those things he should be finding out is whether she’s the product of an intact marriage. i’m missing where anyone said, “it will be easy,” or “bad things won’t happen. so what i am getting at is this: are there different expectations between men seeking a marriage partner and women claiming to do the same? to her virginity and some game, she is totally hot for her husband, though shit tests him from time to time because she is jealous of her cock carouselling and butthexting friends.  there are exceptions), it is usually because he has a lot of money and not because of romantic chemistry.“i know you are sexually suppressed now because obviously (from previous comments) you can’t control yourself around things that “feel nice”, so you sustain all together.  i think there probably are some ways a woman can tune her tastes for men even in her 30s, but i’m guessing if someone found an easy way to make large shifts here we would have already heard about it.” it conjures up caricatured movie images of a pot bellied, unshaven, unkempt man in a “wife-beater” undershirt slapping around and bullying a cowering, weeping woman half his size. have we been dealing with women who value all the wrong things so long that we don’t recognize a woman who does? of treating him a utility, a walking wallet, a means to an end for the contemporary feminist womans wedding fantasy? and if she’s not putting her children first, would i want her to be the mother of mine? … good to know that there are foreigners out there to take away every job from americans! the state recognizes and attempts to order marriage for good reasons (such as inheritance) and has for a very long time. a woman that does not want kids has to one serious phreak to marry. for what it’s worth, michael, and from what you’ve posted here about yourself, i’d give you serious consideration as a mate. why don’t you run along over to happy halo where you’ll be a lot more useful. hate to throw a wet blanket on this discussion, but if you waited until your 30s, you’re probably done. everyone goes through difficulties in life-some more than others, but that doesn’t mean they’re crazy or damage goods., a woman from a broken home has probably never watched a healthy, well adjusted man live his life. her best bets are divorced men in their 40s and who want to remarry.“now in regards to physical appearance – all things being equal – one will get more “mileage” from a younger woman – this cannot be denied. the women here want to find love with men that honor and respect us. this sort of shaming language is old hat around here and carries absolutely no water whatsoever, so i’d recommend you avoid it in the future if you’re still reading. covered this one pretty well:If those pursuits not done for the benefit of others they are selfish. but i think in general here are some things that may help:1) date with intentionality. for this reason, i followed the advice with the much more important part: work on being the best wife you can be, rather than obsessing about maximizing your value in the man market. marriage with no children has no long term commitment, no reason to stay together, other then sex & conversation … very weak foundations for long term commitment., opus, good luck with things, l will bow out of this discourse here at the intersection of stupidity & racism. at 30 she now (on average) will have a 20% miscarriage rate (vs a 5% rate in her early 20s), and that rate goes up every year she ages. there’s a hebrew kid i went to school with. her values remain intact, i think a short term career would still be more beneficial than no career at all. because the two are one, then her sin was keenly felt by you. is very open about having dialog here, but this is a rough-and-tumble place where (for the most part) men exchange ideas with other men in a manly way.“there is none so blind as those who will not see”…english proverb closely paraphrasing jeremiah 5:21. but there are women out there that wait years, wishing hubs would cheat, so they can divorce him with a clear conscience., if a man and the woman who he is considering for marriage with do not want children, some reasons for why they might want to marry could be religious/personal values/morals. thing about hanging out with men all the time: i suspect some of what’s going on here is you have a lot of beta orbiters. hello, do any of you know that most athletes have their peaks in mid 30s?’s amazing to me how many women don’t want to learn that men in general want more out of a man than what’s between her legs.. second woman: i’ve known her since our first year in college, when she was 18. of all, there is no commonly-accepted definition for words like rare, common, or unlikely among statisticians. i also suggest that you keep your brother in the loop, he may be an asset when it comes to sorting out the intentions of a man.” there’s many people who are there to actually learn and get their education.(b) now this one there are many many women that do this and it absolutely kills their chances. i dated an older woman, didn’t work out because she did not want children. would it not be beneficial for those women to realize that there are actually men in the world who would be accepting of their problem and who would prefer to remain childfree themselves. america is one big experiment in world history- there has been no other country quite like the north america. so there are even more men competing for the same women. same for car and bike mechanics and there’s 30+ men on my crew, we all make 140k+. now newsflash for you and warning you hold on to your pot bellies, you too could have a woman if you lower your standards.“”jenn, there are few things less attractive to men than a woman who acts, talks, and/or looks like a man. i remember my brother being 13 an what some of the girls were saying and doing and that was a while ago. then she comes back to you, weeping about how alpha mcgorgeous or harley mcbadboy or frank fratboy or f**kbuddy rockbanddrummer done her wrong, and “why can’t they be niceguys like you! you are a widow, which is something altogether different from the usual irresponsible single, never-married woman with children so common these days, who attempts to dress up the toxic baggage from her past that she carries as some sort of gift to be treasured. instead, they seem to have experienced a sense of female gender identity unshackled from motherhood, a childfree femininity. a side note, there was an australian case about that just recently. a pua might see me next’ing a girl after a date where the girl seemed unresponsive and call it “not rewarding bad behavior;” i am simply looking for a woman who might be willing to be submissive.% that do want children, there are is a low single to double digit (ie 15% for example) that cant whether it be for lack of a partner, inability to conceive, disease etc that simply say they dont to avoid embarrassment and save face. person-to-person example of feminism in action, where the macro version is “women now are getting justice for the women in the past for what the men in the past did to them … from the men now”. you think quite highly of yourself if you presume that i wasted all of the time i did here just to talk shit.’ve seen women here make the same claim for women. what you posted was spot on “advocating repentance on the woman’s part here? a desire for voluntary childlessness is hardly a great selling-point when attempting to attract a man – consider whether a convent might not be what you would really prefer – away from all those nasty men, and remember that you do not have a great track record, for any man should be asking himself: ‘if she has bailed on marriage once why should it be any different with me? so he said that if something happened to him, and she had to find another man, he knows another man could not see her like he sees her. just like women constantly say who cares about her age or weight, should be the same for women to realize it’s extremely rude to complain, bit*h, snicker about men’s height… just shut up about men’s height, if he’s 5’8″, 5’9″, 5’10” so effin what… open your minds about men’s height and stop already with the height complaining! they can lose quality and there can be fewer of them. the way, since when should i or other men be more concerned about foreign women taking everything when american women have made an industry of it in the united states? would this video receive almost 50 million views if the women in the video where over age 30? 30 plus year old woman with the eyes i have now is not marriage material on the face of it. and what’s worse, you actually had to work to get to where you are – just like ernie engineer and paul plumber and tom teacher and eddie steadyman. mean, let me get this straight, she is having regular sex with this guy and suddenly this one incident is a rape that requires her to sue him and (deep pocket alert) the church he is affiliated with! alphas know how to deal with a woman’s emotionality but betas often do not. your telling them otherwise does them a disservice and will relegate them to spinster status. certainly have my regrets about her dying, but i do not regret what we built when we were together.– people knew 6000 years ago before studies that reproduction was intercourse between a man and woman. either you want to get married or you don’t. even my brother (who used to preach what we all men here preach) started dishing out a lot of feminist crap., here is a excellent article regarding femininity from the society of phineas. older fathers are also thought to increase the risk of autism and schizophrenia. everything i posted here was 100% honest and i was ready to bow out of the discussion before i was encouraged to stay by greyghost and perspective.  one marriage only lasted a year, the other is still going strong. i met a great woman who happens to be a bit older than me and we have a great relationship. i had no idea it was a christian blog either and was really having trouble getting my head around why so much anger and spite was infused into commentaries that are predominantly fact. single woman,I can only offer you one word of advice wrt finding a husband: don’t look for the right person; be the right person!  she was my dad’s cousin and i was older then her as well. i now realise where i have been going wrong for so long, rejecting such woman as pump and dump playthings when all along they were preferred candidates for marriage. to go 10 years with out marriage for a marriageable woman should be impossible if not for something about the woman period. just noticed that anonymous please posted in august 2016 and is almost certainly long gone from here.  i have a post ready to go for later this week on the same topic;  it just isn’t ethical for a woman to marry a man she isn’t truly in love with and attracted to., i can also tell you about more than one american man like you who choses to blame his failures and shortcomings on others (in this case, all american women), who went overseas to find a poor, dependent bride, got married and ended up in the same place — cheated on, trapped by kids, and broke after she cleaned him out and returned to her home country with a small fortune. if she really wanted a divorce, she left with nothing; the children stayed with their father; and she was consigned to a life of dependence and spinsterhood. i can live with either, honestly, so long as i can have a space with peace and quiet to myself. it’s all the same sin, however — the sin of having sex with someone other than one’s opposite sex spouse. in fact, i think it’s highly probable that, yes, there is a certain group of women who are truly conflicted about what they want.@michael: “i sometimes wonder if these women are bothered by it. you can’t or don’t want to do the work for yourself first then don’t bother and certainly don’t get married. there are a lot of messed up people out there, if god has a husband for you you need to be diligent to prepare and patient to wait. yeah, there are people who stayed married for 60-70-80 years who’re dying now… but they grew up in a different time, in a different culture., i wasn’t born a texan, but i “got here as fast as i could” as the saying goes. women when in a position of where it is in there selfish interest of pleasure will the laws change. remark is usually met with a ‘what about hitler’ remark, but i say that hitler was actually a rather talented watercolour artist and dog lover, so we clearly benefited there – as did his dogs.-correct me if i’m wrong but haven’t studies proven the most married couples remain married where a “healthy” age gap exists? how they had been “threw” (lol) so much together and love each other “like exes”? this one going by the name of jane, here to tell us, not that dalrock’s advice is wrong, but merely irrelevant by being too analytical. because the higher your n, the greater the chance there was a really hot alpha in there somewhere and you’re still pining away for him (them). men value it, and they value getting those services from a woman who loves them. the amount of unwed mothers (on the rise) , declining abortions, in this culture where birth control is easily obtainable, sex education accessible – your argument is ex facie. cane said it quite well a few posts up, to wit:If a man and a woman date and have sex every day for a year–because they “feel in love”– they commit 365 instances of extra-marital sex. i can say however that if you ask him out you run the risk of being rejected and thus hurt, and further you then rob him of the chance for manliness by your making that first move. a marriage-minded man who wants children will have fertility questions depending on which end of your 30s you are on.“you also know nothing about my wife and despite her age which so many people here seem to think is approaching old hag territory, there are many guys my age who wouldn’t pass her up.  my friend who is still married was very reluctant to go out with him at first because of the age difference, but he persisted and pursued her, and they ended up married. props if you’re actually a woman and was able to construct a post like that. despite what many of the older men who comment here want to believe, we aren’t all desperate enough to end up with men 20-25 years older than us. she was with one of her bfs for a couple of years, but he never proposed and she broke with him when he cheated on her. every other country in the world women keep having children until menapause. scarred we may be, but that need is there, defines us as human beings. perhaps he became enamored with a woman who has certain desirable traits, got oneitis, and pulled the trigger without considering the long-term fallout of marrying an inked-up divorcee six years his senior. they know their daughters “can’t count on” marriage; many of those fathers are themselves divorced.’m not sure where she heard that, but it didn’t sound right so i did a quick google search and found that her statement is inaccurate. the idea that a woman might choose something you don’t want apparently gets some part of your ego riled up. and how dare you think you can tell other people what to do with their sex lifes or how many guys they sleep with as if its any of your business because? perhaps post on the most recent thread so others can comment back to you. you think you are going to help this cause by lambasting a woman that entered into a monogamous relationship and stayed there for eight years only to have her guy not want to go through with it? think that annoys a woman more than anything else, a guy who is comfortable in his own skin…. and don’t kid yourself – find the nicest married woman you know, the one everyone adores, and measure yourself against her. myself to be a woman in my 30’s and a 9 currently on a scale from 1-11. i know you and the other bible thumpers here are on team woman, but your appeals to men to become legal slaves to the state and women is ridiculous. today, due to the vagaries of short lived tendencies and fashions she might not be willing to admit it, even to herself fully. and do you seriously believe single men live like hermits? “be nice, be yourself, work on your communication skills”, works great if the woman is already attracted to you on other grounds — but it is folly to believe that being nice, etc, will create attraction where there is none. and for the men who pointed out that childbearing in women over the age of 34 is a risk factor, there are risk factors in children of men over a certain age too. most women do want children of their own; it is the very, very rare woman who does not want to be a stay at home wife and mother. seems the guy dodged a bullet, you were cashing in on beta provisioning and he repulsed you from the beginning…i don’t buy the waiting till marriage bit, you mentioned giving yourself away to other previous men but wouldn’t for a man promising commitment and sharing his home with you?  there have to be quite a few unclaimed eligible bachelors out there whom the right woman could coax back into the game. 30:1 ~when rachel saw that she bore jacob no children, she envied her sister. too bad we can’t get together an make that happen. while i acknowledge that there are extremely rare cases wherein that may be the least-bad course of action, that door has swung so wide that 99% of the time it’s used to usurp headship from the husband rather than deal with actual physical danger. whats even worse the man brings all the resources, the woman just brings her vagina & her vagina. some women have the desire, but choose to remain childfree for other reasons. every man here has been bitch-fried by nuclear rejections so horribly and so often your intestines would shrivel just to hear it. she wouldn’t have to be super attractive, either– just pleasant, really. not that it mattered: since neither one of has ever had the slightest desire to procreate. the 30 yr old woman either (a) has a strong sex drive, or (b) she does not. they failed to challenge, and even served to bolster, pronatalist cultural discourses that fused hegemonic femininity with motherhood.-everyone is entitled there or desires out of the other. women want men that excite them, are socially dominant to them and to other people. the “altitude” and seriously thinking you know what men want in a wife / mother material is skewed. pretty much, i’ve washed my hands of them – i like to tell them ‘i’m busy, maybe some other time’ – and all those other bullshit excuses they used on me back in the day. how would men who believe this feel if other men were saying this about women they care about? i can’t speak for michael, but for myself i wouldn’t mind a woman being drawn to my job/salary and home if i was assured that she wasn’t intending to steal them from me. i can lie that i am this confident and drop dead hot woman wanted by all men and no one here would know, but i am being honest and realistic because i want honest and realistic answers. > blog > dating > are professional women in their mid-30s too independent to settle down?, the focus to me changed from the woman’s point of view to the man’s, which i feel you addressed in your comments from the man’s point of view. the hell do you think, men are dominant & aggressive, it has nothing to do with keeping a woman happy. she’s never seen anyone keep a marriage together through tough times. in fact, those are the actions of a woman who loves herself more than anything in the universe… indeed, more than everything else in the universe combined. if you talk about how nice it is to see your grandparents still together after fifty years, or to see happy settled couples, you’re showing what part you value.“a virginal woman, is a virgin woman precisely because society dictates it, not because she wants to be a virgin”. many of us good men will certainly stay away from a career woman since they are very greedy and selfish since they really want the best and will never settle for less. higher proportions are observed in italy and switzerland, where one in four women in their late 40s is childless. different from that of the lower mammals (bagemihl, 2000), and rather. but they left out the part where unselfishness is the segway to love. on the other hand, if it was the wife’s decision to remain childfree, only very rarely would the husband consent. you’ve been offered sound advice from at least two here. once i gave up on the idea that i was doing or had done anything right, and that i would never feel love to her or from her, i could resolve myself to love as action. it’s got to stop somewhere, and that means there will be – or at least should be – a whole lot of people in their teens, 20s and 30s right now who aren’t going to marry, and who shouldn’t marry. addition, they are quite comfortable with them self and not competing with other women. i believe that there is a partner for anyone out there who desires to marry, no matter their age. to a woman in her thirties seeking to marry: improve your position, and get ahead of the competition by making it clear that a family is very much an optional extra and that you will devote your entire time to your man and with no distractions. to decipher the lies from the truth is tricky on or offline, but i do think it is easier irl. key, therefore, is for women to find *good* friends — women who share their values and will support them in an appropriate way, rather than women who will be peddling pop culture values and cosmo and enforcing them in the social peer group. i wouldn’t worry too much about that mother stuff. based on your description of her, she’s not only not anything really exceptional to look at, but she’s shallow, not very bright, and obviously a terrible judge of men. sometimes there’s a fine line between genius and madness, and i have come to accept my numerous (and sometimes humiliating) quirks as the flip side of my prodigious gifts. the women here do not exist to be your sounding board in discrediting women’s worth so you can feel better about the women who have rejected you in real life. is not up to you to decide if a woman really wants children, or if she is trying to “fill a hole in her life” or if you would be enough for her without children. our female protagonist is holding out for her ideal suitor. any woman, even an older one, can learn to do any of the things you noted. a bunch of weight, got some misleading feedback that led me to overestimate my rapidly waning smv, spent a year with another alpha who was 6 years younger, til he dumped me on the grounds of conflicting religions and my not wanting children (his words- my version is that he was tired of putting up with my eight-month-long saga of crippling depression which manifested as daily uncontrollable crying fits and the inability to function, and couldn’t handle it anymore- gosh, can’t imagine why). the other hand, when we observe the sexual behavior of hominoid.  a little known fact is that there were no post-service g. don’t wear jewelry (no wedding ring) other than a conservative wrist watch. that is why also conflating a new testament understanding of gender roles and promiscuity with abuse is a red herring., she’s almost certainly going to have to go for a guy that’s 5+ years older than her, more likely 8-12.  but if all you care about is how young the woman is, you’re probably never going to get married or have a lasting marriage anyway. with nobody knowing she is dead until the odor of her decomposing body comes through the walls of her dwelling. if they’re still single by then, either they’re hopelessly undesireable for some other reason, or they never wanted to marry in the first place, or they have long ago sadly given up.) i am a hero for pointing this out well after the damage has already been done. appears to me the manosphere does not advocate for male domineering. your older brother is likely to be a help, not a hindrance.“in other words, a bunch of losers being regularly rejected by women, including those in their 30-s:)”. single, employed, high earning, marriageable, intelligent men out there are asking themselves these questions. and your reference to, “of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end” is also off-point, since it refers to the kingdom of god and does not contain any individual commands. wife is now on my insurance plan, which is cheaper and more comprehensive than her own and this saves us both money. sure, there are some folks who are exceptions to this, but the vast majority of people who prefer to date younger than their own age group do it for strictly superficial, shallow reasons and then try to make up excuses as to why it’s not shallow and superficial. put it more succinctly, the hookup culture exaggerates women’s natural hypergamy, so much so that it may prevent her from ever mating. for those of you who have watched “love actually,” you’ll recall that the men fell in love either with foreign women who couldn’t speak to them, or women who had such a different career (tea girl vs., it sounds like you mother had a very unfulfilling life raising you. most of us have some, some more then others, some none at all. if you look at game for guys or girls not as a prelude to a happy life, but rather as a tool to continue to use over your life, you will start to see a lot more applications than the utilitarian “get the best man/woman possible” one. if a woman lies regarding her partner count, it will be seen in her to emotional health. the average woman might know how to screw you over in a million possible ways, a female lawyer definitely knows. that should not be having children is up (teens to 40’s unmarried, mid 40’s up married ). you used the term “work”, but that was either an error or a lie on your part. for what it’s worth, michael, and from what you’ve posted here about yourself, i’d give you serious consideration”. and there won’t be because less girls are being born. frankly, i want my kid(s) to inherit from the mother’s family (if there’s any money going down – not a necessary condition)., i will post some actual advice to other women in such situations, and “eva” if “she” wants to take it at all:As deti says, your past is your past.’m being a bit unfair, adam, because there is a market for a 42-year-old man – and you can certainly be doing better than you’re currently doing. go back on topic… if one person says thought = action and another says thought =/= action, both may be experientially true to the person saying it. and the ones in their 20s and even 30s have choices.“nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband. but alas, there are plenty of lonely men who would. the feelings a woman has for a man are more like respect, leading to good feelings, leading to sexual desire. i know more than one couple where the husband was a virgin at marriage and the wife was not, for just this reason. may go against what you guys are looking for, but looks are just not my #1 criteria in a woman.@opus: i don’t think i’d ever marry a lawyer, so i’ve never dated a woman. i still want to have a family – with the right man for me – whether he’s 30 or 43. to all of you with age issues, we may look like your fathers, but we are so much more…with caring, sensitive and even vibrancy someone discounted above. that appears to have been successfully completed – there is no reason to think it still applies. if you don’t get fat and are not a psycho, it is damn easy to attract men in your 30s. the “i just know god will send me to hell if i have sex outside of marriage, and i have to have sex or i’ll just die” crowd, here is my answer:1) understand that the marriage the bible tells us to get is no longer an option, and who can be castigated for not obtaining the unavailable? you can throw all of the statistics about abortion by age range at me, but the numbers you provided don’t make any mention of whether these women had previous children or not. the only thing that bothers you is that he died early, you need to stop with that because the same could happen with a younger guy, or much more likely is that he leaves you for a younger woman.“women do not understand the inherent unfairness of divorce law in this country and none that i’ve spoken to, including family, care to inform themselves. perfect” there isn’t, it’s just plain and simple fact nobody in the whole universe is “perfect” so get that out of your heads period. one here wishes to control women through religion or otherwise, and neither do we want to tell women what to do for their sex lives. if that were the case, you probably wouldn’t be posting here in the first place. and by the way, try to see things from his point of view and that women who complain about there being no good men out there should think of this guy. of them actually “got it” after some serious discussion that the failed marriage was mostly “her fault” since she had the guy was a great husband (ie “fun”) but :– married a guy who didn’t want kids. this leads me to assume that “mary” is either a troll (and not a very bright one) or suffers from some form of diminished mental capacity (harsh, perhaps, but i go where the evidence appears l lead me). if i remember in 10 years from now i’ll stop back here and let everyone know how things are going for me. i did not settle for her, i chose to be with her and would do it all over again. are objects and things… and they are other things as well. judge us based on the vibe you get, beacuse this is an ever changing generation, in fact the first generation that has this many single woman in thier 30′s than ever before… we are all just trying to find love, and comapnionship…as you guys would like to find as well. there is no doctor that will ever tell a man to wait to have kids. i was having my shoes shined yesterday; before me, a youngish good-looking man who i could not determine whether he was a poser or a villain was having his very expensive shoes shined. many men do not know how to handle it when a woman gets emotional so give him some tips on how he can navigate your emotionality. there are just so many people crammed into such a small area. still didnt answer the question despite your noted debating skills by other women bloggers. nearly every young woman in her 20s can get anything she wants in a man. that is not of course to say that all women from intact families are desirable and i have known some where i would rather have eaten neat barbed-wire rather than hang around her parents (domineering mothers and weak fathers – or the reverse). knew of a woman who did this at 32 and she was engaged within the year, after going on a lot of bad dates. i’m sure there are plenty of preachers that would disagree, and encourage men to man up. is interesting i notice some other women who are actually similar to me.”) but what i’ve said here is fairly rare in christian circles, and they are said for your betterment. i have some delightful cartoon drawings of a very risqué nature (from one of my victorian ancestors) which suggest that victorians were in fact rather free and easy although of course without the benefit of abortion or the pill. must know where i reside- san diego, ca and have resided in phoenix, boise, or, & wa. fathers don’t want to tell their daughters to be “submissive” because in today’s culture, “submissive” means “weak, timid, chained to a kitchen, fodder for violence and abuse. they either got tired and realized it was a waste of time, got burned, or hit the wall. she has only one reality, and that is the one that exists inside herself. if you have everything together, something tells me you have things to work through that will pop up as soon as marriage gets difficult. long ago realized that all is fair in love and war, as well as that there is no logic, reason, consistency to anything in the dating arena.” (the “wish”), the other is i need to go to work in order to bail out my family (the reality).  i’m not putting anyone down here it’s just that i’ve read up on this when i was pregnant. my stepfather finally passed away when i was 23, and shortly after the university gave him a funeral (and my stepfather’s will went into effect), my mother kicked me out because she wanted to get married again, and i would be a tip-off to any potential suitors/suckers that she wasn’t as young as she looked. by contrast, the average women has an n of somewhere between 6 and 11 by the time she gets to a marriage altar. the word sheep was too strong………we are just peer-bonding with others like ourselves. monogamy is the preferred female form of promiscuity; but it isn’t inherently better than any other form of promiscuity. taken at her own estimation, i’d say she is almost perfect, if you are in the market for a wife – grammar and spelling should not be a deal-breaker. i was reluctant to do so at the time, i did it anyway with the understanding that i was not interested in “having fun”, and was looking for a lifetime partner and that living in together would be considered an evaluation of our potential for marital compatibility. (remember, you live in a rural area where everyone knows everyone. the law is currently & clearly on your side right now, but don’t expect others to necessarily agree that ‘abortion’ is a sane & rational choice for birth control.. why would a woman of of the 45-50 year age chose to give birth when:– a higher likelihood of having pre-existing medical conditions that could worsen during pregnancy or that could complicate a pregnancy. and they seem to see relationships in that dynamic, woman does nothing, guy worships and does woman’s every whim. and also the age of both men and woman counts as well. it comes to love and relationships, it becomes much more challenging if your attitude is that every bad date is a “failure” rather than a night to write off. and good for me and her for my doing so. if my daughter was fornicating with her boyfriend, i would immediately demand they break up, and everyone understands why. in other words, a bunch of losers being regularly rejected by women, including those in their 30-s:). i have a virtuous woman friend who is of the upper echelon of society that is modern day islamic woman from turkey, she makes it a point to wear a rash guard, board shorts, and lots of sun screen for this very reason. fact is a woman of 30 looking to marry is probably not going to marry as well at 30 as she could have at 22 or 23. addition, there are multiple scriptures for marrying a person who is divorced. buying a dinner or taking a girl out with the intention to eventually lay a girl is paying her for sex, that can be twisted into any fairy-tale but in the end, there is an underlying monetary presence, always. at 52 years old, i’ve never felt that way with any man i’ve dated… i believe that it’s just a matter of time before all of you beautiful women on here find someone special. know all good things come from god, and therefore good things come from me only in as much as i am dead to myself and christ is alive in me. a man & woman really bond to each other, if they have no children? i know for a fact that she makes more than her boyfriend. seem to recall that she married ‘for better or worse’ but we are led to believe that her marriage vows had the alternative phrase, ‘unless he is made bankrupt’ in other words, we are looking at female hypergamy. staying in it is not good, but neither are many other sinful things in life. would he perceive her not wanting children as a negative point if he doesn’t even want them himself? i want the laws changed so all of you women here seeing cf mans story say “hell yeah” and stay true to your standards and get that man you want and he’ll be glad to have you. the victorian invention of the boyfriend (largely a benefit to women) also could work against them, as here, always assuming that carolina’s version accurately reflects the facts., if she grew up with a stepdad, he could have abused her sexually or emotionally. wow how awesome, she had her son young but has nothing to show for it. although the findings of this study cannot be used to generalize, they can usefully inform debate and highlight the need for further research into the subjective experiences of identity both in women who are mothers and those who are childfree, among white women and women of color. point, or rather my question as i previously asked, was how is it that some in the manosphere tell a woman in her 30’s she has little chance of finding a marriage/ltr with a man her age, but then suggest that she might have better luck if she is open to be with a man slightly younger than she? i shared my true feelings about what i desire in a woman and what i feel is lacking in the desires of many people coming here for advice. another tip is to tell him that when he has heard enough, to just give you a hug and say, “hey babe, it’s going to be alright.. i am the most important human being in her life. he bonded very closely with her young son and provides a great role model and father figure for him. i can’t help but observe that the view of women and marriage put forward here — that women owe men some sort of deference for deigning to put up with them seems rather bleak and joyless for all concerned.  a significant number of women marry in their 30s and (to a lesser degree) in their 40s and beyond. i don’t think this scenario would be as traumatic as one where the woman was assaulted, drugged, and physically forced upon, i can’t say that i think it’s not wrong either. own cousin who is 41 married a 26yr old, and he was a virgin 🙂 there is no world consensus to matters of age…the world is wide. only way what you are suggesting would work is if the womans appearance/attractiveness never decrease or her weight would never increase. date a man a few years younger, and have better healthier babies, its not healthy as men over 40 do have lower quality sperm and the older he gets the worse birth defects are possible, my aunt is a doctor and sees so many babies born with autism and generally its because of the old father, and she just say another child suffering from dwarfism…father was 59 the woman was only 21 again…what a waste…she could have done better if she hung around men her own age! it is possible that my respondents rejected motherhood because they did not experience the maternal desire that hegemonic femininity suggests exists. you’re speaking for red-pill guys in saying that you all agree that “the institution of marriage is dead”, can i ask you in all honesty what the point of complaining about the status quo here is about? before i elaborate, i want to make it clear that i understand that when a woman agrees to live with a man, there should be an understanding on her part that sex is going to be a part of that arrangement. also remember guys in that age range live in full misandry at least as long as you where alive and younger men know no other life. interesting enough, these women “divorced” their fathers because they were weren’t good fathers.“but i think the problem with this mentality (even if it is based on many observations rooted in truth) is that it seems to encourage and justify sexual harrassement, hostility and in some cases, even physical and sexual assault towards women due to the belief that there all “nothing but a bunch of wh*res anyways,” not even human beings really, and therefore unworthy of being treated with respect. i spent/wasted a lot of time flirting and less time caring about the opportunity my stepfather gave me (free tuition). others will call me a troll and dismiss what i have to say. naturally that has been red-ticked more than any other comment. still, one can only cut ones coat according to the cloth available, and usually there is only one piece of cloth; by which i mean that if a man is desirous of marriage, he will find that there is probably only one vaguely suitable woman available, at any given time. for kids, male comments are valid here of course – it is easier to get pregnant in your 20s. the reason it matters is (as we know from wagner’s ring) that there is nothing for which men will give up the possibility of love. i tried to give black american women of my age range a chance to share my life with, but all i got in return was tons and tons of baggage dumped onto my cloud 9 and was demanded to either handle it or hit the road. you think rejection hurts like hell / uncomfortable try working in a environment hours a day where people are talking behind your back.~and i will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel. not every single 30 something woman “rode the carousel” or put off marriage because she was career obsessed.“as in, when the older woman will not be referred to as a “cougar,” “cradle robber,” and the younger man will not be accused having an oedipal complex or just being in it for the sex? it’s when a woman does not know her own worth and value that she ends up getting “pumped and dumped. percent of women who head families, many of whom know they can’t afford another child. this earth, there is certainly one thing that men cannot do: give birth to a child. for example: the woman who continually seduces one man she calls her “boyfriend” in the hopes of eliciting a marriage from him does more damage to that man, i think. if a stranger (man or woman) talks to me, i respond. we have never really been “tight” as in the tv romantic way, yet support each others endeavours. all she has to do is walk into the nearest bar, say “who in here is dtf right now? it is so very, very easy for a woman to screw up her life for good, at least when it comes to being marriageable. and a divorced early forties father whose daughter is friends with my daughter is together with a woman in her early thirties who is now pregnant. i am grossed out when men more then 5 or 10 years older then me hit on me, not because i think there is anything wrong with age, but because i think there is something wrong with someone that age trying to sexually interact with someone my age. just to add to what you all had for her. to the point: she came here to throw other 30yo women into harm’s way by asking is to compare her version of eight years of extra-marital sex against other women’s variants.!  i’m a 38 year old woman but i don’t want kids never did. either they don’t know; or they know and can’t put it in words; or they know and lie about it to avoid the appearance of bitchiness and shallowness. how they are used is a entirely different matter whether they are used as leverage or coercion. finding teenagers attractive is normal for men – sorry, but that is the way god/darwin wired us, and there is nothing to be done about it, and all the sophistication that a thirty year old may have will not override this. am not up on all of the other problems and the numbers but as for autism the increase in likelihood is less than 1% if i recall it is . me, there is just something rather sad about deliberate childlessness – the use of the term childfree, which i deprecate and which grates, seems to me to have the same sort of anti-social in-your-face attitude that one always gets with the lgbt crowd, who even as they parade and boast of their pride give off a whiff of masochistic shame. a women “is and gets it” that she is a “help mate / ezer “, respectful, and is willing to “put herself into subjection” to her husband and in return the husband is going to sacrifice himself or she doesn’t. she expects the husband to correct, instead of correcting her own irrational & hamster behaviour. neither is independence (which translates better to self reliant) and neither is powerful.  there’s a lot more to relationships and marriage than just the age of your bride. please, follow elspeth’s advice: find that older woman who can give you the guidance and mentoring (“tough love,” if you will) that you need. agree 100% that cf people are a unique and rather small minority. are falling into the “dumb hot jock” stereotype, many of those so called dumb athletic jocks get university scholarships, where they study programs that have high earning capability- like finance and business, many also come from wealth and privileged backgrounds, many also work in these industries upon graduation and many are very successful financially- life is not a.. if the marriage ends because of her adultery, she accepts a lump sum settlement of ,000.) i recollect that she says women want to be cherished and men want to be respected – men want to be loved just as much as females do; the difference has to do with how people of each sex understand what being loved means and how they prefer to receive love.  my brother, sister and i would never be here if my father gave up because he was too old. i’m under no illusions, and neither do i have this insanely crazy list of what i expect in a mate. but you weren’t interested in ernie or paul or tom or eddie because they’re pudgy round the middle and thin on top and a bit mundane. they went bankrupt because he took a job in another state making no more money than he had before. as a beta male persona, i just could not go out with them (woman in their late 30s) when they approached me, thinking that i have to now support the alpha male’s dna with the money i have saved, and yet not having my genes survive the next generation. if a 40 or 45 year old is in this category he may instantly get a young woman pregnant, but he is the exception not the rule. arrogant feminists do not as a rule engage in that process, you are generally too busy telling people what to do to spend any time helping them to achieve their goals, rather than your goals. and all the other girls start looking at the rest of the guys. but i do think there should always be room to renegotiate. and it shines through in the way you choose to talk about women here. i’m not trying to pick a fight with you, but to warn other men.-an under 34 year-old woman who would never think of dating a 40+ guy.’s hoping that you find a lovely 42 year-old woman to have kids with and anthony gets a vasectomy so he doesn’t breed more fools like himself! she looks great, and has two beautiful grandbabies when stupid women her own age with shriveling ovaries are fishing through the reject pile and shrieking about the lack of marriageable men. for some early in life and for others, a bit later. according to her facebook page he does not have “in a relationship with” only hers has that listed “in a relationship with”. if you leave it until you are 40 or above it is not just that you will merely have a trophy child (children need siblings) but that there is a considerable chance that you will never see any grand children and perhaps not even last until your child is even adult. these women reflect a radical departure from hegemonic understandings that to be a woman is inextricably bound to motherhood. now for the average guy, as dalrock mentioned you really just need to be faster than the other campers. she’s probably comfortable in her own skin, and her (presumably) extensive sexual past probably gave her the ability to rock his white-bread world right into the jewelry store, then the wedding chapel. in their mid 30’s have lost their hormones, they no longer need a man in their life. woman’s value is not all tied up in her ability to be a reproductive vessel…the way you talk about women, you’d think that the lot of us are disposable–to be used and cast aside like a used condom wrapper! what self-respecting woman would proceed to say that women will only have value when they are more like men? only does the male curve have a broader prime, and therefore more area, there is another factor at play – women hit menopause around 55, but most men want to keep having sex into their 70’s. a womans morality can be “generally” be seen quickly in how she dresses, acts, talks, and her devotion to g_d and the scriptures. to wilfully collaborate in what – if all follow your way – must result in the deliberate death of our species is surely nothing other than self-inflicted genocide. i’d suggest your place of residence is almost certainly somewhere in europe – given the time difference. society eggs her on – to delay marriage and motherhood; to undermine her marriage once married; to assert her continual “independence”; to claim “unhaaaaappiness”; to cheat and seek sex outside the marriage; and to divorce on the flimsiest of pretenses. has law ever made so much as one woman one bit more desirable? once asked tfh about arranged marriage, and his view was that it would only work within a culture of arranged marriage, and he was further of the view that modern america was not that culture. i’m sure he’d prefer a younger woman, but we are a very good match. you believe there is no lesson to learn; that there is nothing from which she “really” ought to repent, because you think she didn’t “really” do anything different than lots of other you believe worthy women do before marriage. it’s not perfect but i have come a thousand miles from where i was and feel so lucky. next time you see a woman based on appearance just walk up to her and tell her “based on physical appearance alone you would make a great wife. some of us have scars, some were divorced for a reason, others are perfectly good guys who were profoundly unlucky. he’s a great guy and will be a wonderful catch of a man, probably to a much younger woman someday. think your just viewing the “tip of the iceberg” – most of the mass is underwater and therefore unseen.. i am under no circumstances responsible to pay her premarital debt even if i paid some of it during the course of the marriage. art laughing: i’m curious how a 29 year old woman goes about “upping her own value and worth as a woman”? woman in their 30’s trying to find a decent guy in that range – good luck. so if she’s a virgin and is saving herself for marriage, that means she will not sleep with aforementioned marriageable man until she’s married, right? so many women are full of drama or have low self esteem or are inhibited – until they really come into themselves and know who they are in their mid-30s or so. you point the finger at someone and say things like that in the arrogant manner that you are saying them here, just remember there are three fingers pointing back at you.!I get everyone wants their freedom and fun when they are young but 40s not young, 30s not young and 25 is pushing it. what woman in her right mind would want an old man who just wants her because she can breed for him. fathers don’t want to tell their daughters to be “submissive” because in today’s culture, “submissive” means “weak, timid, chained to a kitchen, fodder for violence and abuse. i appreciate the vote of confidence, i am definitely not a woman.@ton ” vets have a tatt and now are at there peak wealth/ income”.“there is no need for a male studies unit because you’ve not had your voice and image silenced for years. i’m mid-30s, and read so many comments from women about how awful the older guys are.’m a woman 28 years old, and i’ve been single for a year, after my 7-year boyfriend( i was with him from my 20-27), who promised he would marry me after i finished college( he said he wouldn’t marry a woman with no degree, what about that guys? the people at the other blog would not have the whole story without reading here, and that’s why your comment over there came across as dishonest to me. to divorce her later, claim the child of the union and child support payments off her, since shes working and earning more.-my, we are not woman haters: we just dislike what we see in most unattached women we encounter today, as said above. he was saying that maybe if they have a man who fills her life with love, she may decide she doesn’t want kids. author succinctly explained what i touched upon about women and higher education. advice to her would be to join a convent or find an all-engrossing hobby. would be wise not to squander her capital, for that which is lost to the sands of time cannot be replenished. cfman however (and like so many of the women) makes it all about himself, and in his opening off-hand assertion managed at the same time to get in an insult at the commenters here. first, she respects him and who/what he is, and more to the point, what he can do for her. i feel like ever since i lost my dad, i’ve been wandering in a haze of life where the mist keeps getting thicker as i age and wonder if i’m salvageable. people here don’t consider this a place to hand out advice to women; dalrock’s title aside. married a woman my age, who couldn’t care less about family but had to show how perfect she is from child to job and everything in between. response to your comment below to one of the other posters which was,“if i really had an agenda to undermine the positions of readers of this site, i would have brought it up a long time ago, not days into the conversation. means that there’s a very limited subset of women that i’d consider. i also question what was going on in a church in which he was a “prominent leader”, fornicating with a woman and living with her. go out there and be sexy and get you that dick like you need to. your greatest gift as a woman is sexual so get used to being sexually stimulating with out being a slut. talk to a person ,longer then you normally would, & touch the other person frequently ie their arm, tap their shoulder or arm to emphasise a point you’re making etc. tough to settle especially if a woman lived the type of life being glorified in this video. if i am not welcome, i would be more than happy to leave and never come back but a really thought at least a few readers here were interested in what i had to say. to make sure they have family dinners where cell phones are not included, help them with homework, etc. i am 44 years old and look like i am in my early 30s. has never put her trust in a man to take care of her, to be there when she needs him, to love her when she’s unlovable, to supervise her, and to put boundaries down for her. but then, there are many younger guys who also have the same negatives that some older men have. there were no signs of cheating before this and she had not even suspected him. i am just shocked at the lack of introspection from woman. thing is – news flash- there are plenty of women in their 30’s and even late 20’s who think the same way and i would bet that it is increasing. is simply “doing the best with what you have” (as a side note, a woman has to have a smaller waist than me. his age i would surmise that he doesn’t actually want kids at all, unless…he met a ‘once-in-a-lifetime’ woman. but some of you used her plight to dance on her neck. this is a world where babies are slaughtered by the millions, but you think you deserve better because you carried a weapon for the wealthiest, most awesomely arrayed superpower the world has ever seen? you cannot possibly look like him with all the social connections with hotter women than kelly and think he would remain “faithful” enough to her to turn down girls like she did to me. met her on a ship where we were both working. would answer your questions-if you’re actually interested in hearing my answers and not just because you “like to mock others by “putting quotes” on their words. did not divorce my wife for infidelity, i divorced her for lack of sex, mismanagement of family resources and a variety of neglect. there are millions of single never-married 30+ year old women here. i can show you at least one scientist who says otherwise. of luck trying to land a guy that meets your standards of which i strongly suspect will be lowered as soon as you figure out that no decent guy want to marry a slut let alone a woman who looks / behaves like one. btw, here are some interesting side effects ” irregular ovulation, insulin resistance, excessive hairiness on the face, back and thighs, increased acne and fat accumulation around the waist” (btw, my ex-wife started the pill at a very young age and had exhibited many of these symptoms and then later to found out she had pcos).? i don’t understand, just because a woman is in her 40’w doesn’t mean she’s dead, and her child barring days are finito!’re a darling too,(lol,yankee trying out the southern charm),but are we talking about cars or people? brought up some very good points “men who marry for companionship are idiots” it is “giving away half of your wealth to a woman is insane” is actually a conservative estimate. you come in here with your scary womanly intelligence and think that facts and evidence can be used to deny that which cannot be denied. aristocratic attempts to pay for her botox injections and her card is declined. you were too weak with anger and your own sin to continue justifying her sin, and now you’re divorced. as a 29 year old woman, most of my friends who have done online dating have stated on their profile that they’d be willing to date a guy up to 10 years older than them. am sorry if this is unacceptable but it is reality and dalrock’s essay is there to be taken for what it is worth. also, most men prefer women who are agreeable as opposed to those who are combative and abrasive, as many allegedly “confident” women in their mid-30s tend to be. comments about accountability made me smile – sounds a bit like having a therapist who gives you “homework” on which you have to report the next week. there are plenty of social studies to back this up.

Dating a woman in her 40s

have to ask, where in america are most of you guys (and gals) writing in from? let’s level the playing field, on college campuses across the country a woman can get drunk, consent to sex, sober up, and then claim rape the next day. if, however, the woman waits for the man to ask her out, she will not risk rejection and although perhaps then disappointed by failing to receive an invitation, no one need ever know of that disappointment and thus she will look neither desperate nor easy nor effectively lower her smv. she either cannot submit because she had to take charge of herself and maybe even her mom and siblings; or she thinks submission means “timid, cowering doormat who never speaks up or voices her opinion or does anything”. other dead giveaway is when a woman talks incessantly about what a total worthless dickhead asshole scumbag her ex bf or ex husband is. even if it is ended, the participants are almost never free to enter into another marriage (at least not spiritually). i’m sure there are mid-20s women of solid character, values and maturity, but my buddy was not meeting compatible ones who shared his specific values at the time. as hard as she worked, she could never afford her own place. there are so many positive things about having children when we are older and yet the increased risks are real. that should not be having children is up (teens to 40′s unmarried, mid 40′s up married). i sometimes hear that it’s fine for a woman to initiate, but others seem to insist that it should solely be role of the man. now, it can mean anything from “evil thug attacked a woman” to “woman got drunk, had sex, now is screaming rape. you may not refer to yourself as your pet’s “mommy” or “mom” or “mother”. our first phone call lasted over 3 hours without a single moment of awkward silence, so why would i not at least go on a date with her and see if we were as compatible in person? one has such high expectations that i know there is no man on this earth can meet even half of them, but at the same time she brings nothing to the table, but herself and her sorry p**sy. you’re only getting this because superalpha won’t marry me, the other alphas won’t f**k me, and you’re the best i can do.. there is no possible way this guy does not cheat on her.“i am the type of guy who gets tattoos, an so is your doctor, teacher, lawyer, and yes the stereotypical biker, gang member and convict. another study found men 45-50 add two and a half years, on average, to the time to pregnancy. she probably took what she thought she deserved at the time, while most of the wonderful men in her age group met and married their wives. would he perceive her not wanting children as a negative point if he doesn’t even want them himself? i am a single woman in my late thirties, and loved your honest advice and perspective. getting off of the coastal plains will put her into areas where more men are likely to want to marry, to be blunt. those issues portend an inability to cope with the trials and tribulations of life; a tendency to blame others for one’s problems; and a propensity to run away from and avoid problems instead of facing them head on and dealing with and addressing them. my point later down was if she was looking to pull an otherwise eligible bachelor who had dropped out back into the dating game she won’t find them in the more traditional places women look for men. i don’t care about a woman with youth, a slim figure, even a job. if i am not welcome, i would be more than happy to leave and never come back but a really thought at least a few readers here were interested in what i had to say. selective about where you choose to look for this man. refuse to give commitment to a woman who did not guard her virtue. puritan england was in the middle of the seventeenth century, and the puritans were sent with guns and bibles to new england so that the rest of us could enjoy the remainder of the renaissance in peace. the men they passed up 5, 6, 7 years earlier are either married to other women; divorced; or have given up altogether.“if a woman’s really, really, really wants to marry a man, move to a military town, be height weight proportional, make a man feel valued and you’ll be married in no time. any skank is supposed to be revered for her shitty decisions; and the consequences thereof foisted on any man in the vicinity., don’t be sleeping through out your 20s and 30s.  you are spot on that a 42 year-old man that complains he hasn’t found anyone worthy of his love while he was chasing skirts for many years, has no right to think he suddenly deserves to have a younger woman breed his children just because he’s decided that’s what he wants now. point, at least in part, was to get wyst to consider the following crucial question that every woman in her position should be asking herself, and that is (h/t m3):“what do i have to offer? g_d does forgive sin and we are to forgive others.  the last thing i will share is even though it is more difficult in your 30s it doesn’t mean it isn’t possible. (even if you’ve never seen her with a cigarette in her hand, you know if she smokes. i wasn’t able to get a criminal conviction against the man (charges were filed but dropped by prosecution for ‘insufficient evidence’), but i’m in the middle of a civil lawsuit against him and the church i joined where i met him, since that church actively tried to cover up that he had assaulted me. i’d also like to see a woman actually substantiate the “abuse” part. the end result is frightening, something that is neither man nor woman.’d never start a marriage with a divorced woman, given the choice, it just seems like a really bad gamble., even if you make yourself more attractive as a potential partner, there’s still the problem of divorce laws and family court that men are afraid of. she picks over the smoking, bleached bones in the american dating landscape of the 30+ woman, she needs to understand the following:1. i have had men show an interest in dating me but the ones who i can tell would date me seriously with a desire to commit are either quite a lot older than me or men who i am otherwise unattracted to based on chemistry, looks, financial situation etc. agree with you that there are some women in their 30’s who are delusional about the kinds of men they can attract, but please keep in mind there as just as many women that age who are keenly aware of the reality and are at terms with it. they are roommates (friends with benefits) until one (or the other) calls it quits. who are virgins past 30, in the church, generally either have stratospheric expectations of men (6 feet tall, movie-star looks, high income, studying to be a pastor… ) and/or…. im all about it, thats why i dont know why there is so much hatred for the opposite. so beware of fathers of young woman, and no i am not a ufc buff  guy, what i think i can not beat down with my own fists, i would use a bat, if for some reason my bat broke, then my shotgun. i’ll have to push through her walls and defense mechanisms and her “issues” and her general fucked-upness. a ex married guy of 17 years – this is the “first time” i have ever heard a women refer to her marriage as a “ltr” (this just might be my sheltered interactions).. she needs to make it crystal clear she’s interested in a guy; and the best way to do that is to break the ice herself. where we have thoughtful men here with concerns about men doing that “alone” something like that being done by career women will be seen as great. also, while some men may just want a woman for her womb, some women just want a man for his sperm. course he doesn’t, “know you,” he’s addressed what you have _said here_. unless he has something very special that sets him above all the other men in their 30s and early 40s, younger women will likely reject him for guys closer to their own ages.: i only see people advicing her to evolve to overcome her mistakes and no advice on her masking her mistakes, without changing. but most don’t have the stamina and fortitude to fake their true selves for over a year (and if they do, they also have the where-with-all to fake it for a decade or three needed to raise the kid(s)). (“if she’s so into her career, will she be able to be a good wife and mother? in short, you aren’t in the top 10 to 20% either. the fact that you just made such an irrational, blanket statement about the entirety of another race pretty much reveals all anyone needs to know about your emotional intelligence. in both photos she is beautiful, but she was much more beautiful and youthful in appearance in her early 20’s. the reality is that women acting outside of the covering of a father or husband tends to be a slut then why should i think about it differently? men who don’t want kids probably aren’t very good in bed, either. further, it is still a place heavily populated by men, so it does kinda feel like you are a hen in a fox house 😉.  secondly, if a man is worried about having his own biological children, let me remind everyone that it’s not only a women who loses fertility with age…men start losing their fertility at age 40, so to be fair, it’s not fair for a man of age 42 to only want a younger woman just as it’s not fair for a late 30’s woman to only want a younger man.“women who are already mothers have more abortions than anyone else, and by an increasingly wide margin. none of the ones who *are* married are married to other lawyers, either. i can’t predict the future, but the whole “give the woman some time and she’ll show her hand” bit sounds like a terrible mindset to be in. but she is 31, wasted 7 years of her life with a man with whom marriage was never going to happen, and then spent another 2 years “getting over” him., for the 65,886,543rd time:When you were in your early 20s, you probably could have snagged a man like this who was in his late 20s or early 30s. – but as a general rule there are a number of characteristics which are likely to be impediments to a lasting marriage, and when a woman claims that she never wants children it is probably best to assume that she is just not that into you. i may, is there any sin involved in a monogamous sexual relationship that stays monogamous? go out there and be sexy and get you that dick like you need to. and it is quite simple: things went seriously wrong somewhere in your life but it is not totally your doing.. if she has done it once, (bad behaviour) she will do it again – so don’t give her that second opportunity. he does, however, command her to submit to his leadership.’ve had sex with one woman outside of marriage, now that i’ve done that i should turn myself into a pua? do you think it could also be that there are some 30+ women who may have strong libidos but are actually just shy and image conscious? has a feminist ever asked herself what role feminist women might be playing at actually moving women’s rights in the wrong direction because of that initial premise that women are not currently equal to men?: susan walsh endorses graph where female smv falls 50% by age 31 | just four guys. by marrying her (with your qualifications) you serve as an example of why young women circa 2013 in the peak of their youth, value and fertility can continue to bang around lily padding from one cock to the next with zero future repercussions/consequences because you will always be there in the end. the two options or barrels, you missed it, but i was pointing out that the options you have described for men such as yourself are pretty rough: you have a 50% chance of being made a sinner when your 23 year old non-carousel rider divorces you after a few years, or you can take the 10% chance of being made a sinner yourself when the 35 year old former carousel rider (your term, not mine) divorces you, but to get a high probability of success for your marriage you have to swallow that bitter pill of knowing a woman her age probably has a pretty sizable sexual past., holding up her end of the bargain by doing her best to care for our kids and our home.“the other group of men i would consider are men younger than you and/or men who would traditionally have been marriageable in their 20s but essentially dropped out of the dating/marriage market due to lack of interest from women their own age.“there has been little in-depth theoretical study in sociology of the motives of women and men who are childless by choice. i said you made it seem as though i tried to come on to you, but i asked for your contact only because you asked me personal questions that i didn’t think i should answer here – and that was what i told you upthread. his protests here are merely attempts to shore up the edifice he’s built between his ears, for the sake of his own ego. woman’s sexual market value is determined by the caliber of men she can pull for sex. comments here are based on the reality of family men in todays world. moved to nyc because there was more of the clientele am mentality that i felt suited me ( as opposed to the “new money” vibe out in la) i have even very happy ever since. i’m not condemning these people but neither do i agree or approve of promiscuity (for men or women) especially with the emotional and health risks, not too mention risk of unwanted pregancy.“no doubt about it; what man would not want a woman older than himself and with a failed marriage and or illegitimate children behind her”. if she accepts you in spite of things she doesn’t like (provided it’s not abusive or harmful to either one of you or your children if you have any) then that’s also a good indicator that she’s not one to make outrageous demands or have a sense of entitlement. mentioned your platonic male friends and hobbies; so what you’re saying is middle aged women just use guys for sex and don’t make any connections? but i do know there are good men out there, and one of them i will click with.) you seem to think that #12 is something other than hypergamy. christian young man in his twenties is blamed for the woman as gatekeeper model where they reject him, yet he is then told to man up and marry the sluts in his thirties, when he is now good enough for them. you are correct that there can be no atonement without blood sacrifice.? glad to hear that some woman out there thinks so. this is a place where the emphasis is on career and achievement for males and females. dont care how attractive a woman might be (yes i love a disciplined hard body physique on a woman) but the hysterical, psychotic, attention whore personality is a instantaneous deal killer and/or a woman who cant hold a somewhat intelligent conversation (i like smart / educated as well). i dated a woman who took blame / responsibility for her divorce. can we really be so far out of synch with the rest of the inter-web, for had i not known otherwise i might have assumed it is the sort of thing deti might have written. a women trades her “rationalization hamster” for the “realization hamster” she is harmful to herself and all around her. sometimes i just wish there was no such thing as gender. my true stance is the latter as a soldier and a father that loves his children. i guess she didn’t find the minor fact that she enjoyed licking another woman’s cunt and asshole to be worth telling the poor sap. i fully encourage her to keep doing what she is doing. oh yes, my son, our brother, that is how women do.. based on what i’ve seen and heard all around me, based on my own marriage, those of my family, colleagues, and friends; and based on the fact that feminism is so deeply woven into the very fabric of contemporary society on all levels that no one would know where to even begin to remove it, biblical submission in marriage is a non-starter, even for those who call themselves “christian” (as opposed to run-of-the-mill churchian, where such an attitude is to be expected). as an mra i want that story told about as many woman as possible and i want all men to have the power to control their fertility to deny those women children. it’s the difference between loving yourself, and loving another. harder, in that, since physical attraction can only be improved within natural limits, if she’s relatively unattractive physically there is no way to compensate — whereas, for a man, even the most physically repulsive man can get female attention by raising his status (power, money, fame…). there’s this wonderful new technology that can be used to have children past your forties and still have pretty much none of the risk if you can afford it. is not “settling” but rather really evaluating your whole situation and context. she may be more attractive than most her age, and that would be a good thing, but she is still older. another one third of fertility problems are due to the man. i already live her “ideal” life yet she’d rather make 32k a year then raise kids, be team ton’s rear detachment commander and enjoy my success.“can i just say that not all over 30 single women are as demanding as people continue to continherimply here…”. i was reminded men have fought wars (countless needless deaths, primitive yes, but there is a point) over beautiful young women. 30+ yo woman is not worthless or “expired” — at least not always. they are now making an effort to find more time for themselves as well as more time with other non-parents.: “…and it may also be the case that there are women so unsure of themselves that they cannot see ‘what he sees in me’ or wonder whether he will leave ‘for a prettier girl’ – i have met women like that, and their chronic insecurity is such that they are impossible to date – indeed i was temporarily romantically linked to one such”.?I was searching for a way to get my story erased from the net, and i found that it was pingbacked here – not that anyone should believe me or my motives.. i read a great deal of the comments here and i feel heartbroken.–how’s your relationship with the children’s father(s)? you want a girl who is a “gold digger” or looking for a “meal ticket” they are out there but most of them will not be highly educated nor have career interests of their own. the girls who can’t find the right guy to want to marry them when they’re in their early and mid thirties are girls who expect to catch the same level of hotness guy for a marriage commitment that would have casual and fling sex with them. however, i am a professional, and decided i want to be married to a professional also-i don’t feel there is anything wrong with this, i just picked and chose what i did and did not want. the minute you start shit testing him, hassling him or bothering him, you’re history. be grateful 🙂 don’t be quick to dismiss what you’ve read here!  if you can’t or won’t have them, than you aren’t unsure, the answer is “no” and you led a woman to believe that you were open to the possibility ? would a woman under 35 take the risk of reproducing with a man over 40? those men that are there are in an exclusive community that is child free. if the woman out for a hike falls into the same well a second time, then letting her stew and contemplate her mistake is appropriate. newsflash, alpha males do not stay in relationships for more than three months (according to comments here), much less eight years, so how could she not have seen him as anything other than an alpha? it is because i value women higher than even manboobs futrelle that i never even consider that it would be appropraite to give a woman my love and man up (for that would be unfair on all the other women) and marry a woman old enough to be my mother. beings, in sharp contrast to most other species, give birth to children who are helpless for many years. for where to look, in addition to the traditional methods i would be on the lookout for men who have been as focused on their careers as you have been..Get it that they may be the exception, but really, in some areas, including a very small town that the wife and i have a place, it seems that there are more tats then not. i wish it were otherwise and have tried dating less attractive women but it just doesn’t work.–“let’s meet up for some drinks at [insert name of watering hole here]. after receiving a bit of pushback you then reverted to shaming language, accusing the commentariat here of wanting nothing but “super model stick figures who want to be stay at home moms” when you in fact know nothing of the sort. you admit to not reading all of my posts, so perhaps you are mixing up what others have said with my words. and of course, there’s non-feminists who are anything but respectful, feminine and lady-like. dont be tricked my son, dont be tricked, our brother. if he was hot and popular in his 20’s, he’s either still an alpha player, or is already happily married, because he got to choose the best wife. don’t think many men here are going to cry because some woman didn’t deign to notice anyone but the top 5% of smv men she came into contact with while whining about “there aren’t any good men”. is quite predictable that a womans relationship with her father and if her parents are still married will pretty much dicate her relationship with a man ( the same is true for men ). we may or may not know all the reasons why each individual woman chooses not to bear children, but we are simply beyond the point where you can deny that the practice itself is fairly common. cynic in me wants to say that you are coming here because you want to snag a man to support you and to help you fend off your creditors in case the lawsuit doesn’t net you any money.  you can’t blame women who have other options for not going that route. picture wise you are right that is another reason this “marriage strike ” thing is so effective at getting people to step back and notice when 50 years of talk and stats on the destruction of america meant absolutely nothing. history review shows there was a lot more than meets the eye and the old adage applies – history repeats itself and apples dont fall far from trees., the opposite plays true, no man who is re-figuring out the status game (i was working in architecture, but the last three years have seen my first stretches of unemployment since age 16 ) should have any expectation of landing a 9 either. middle-class men, high physical attractiveness can render women desirable for dating, sexual relationships, and even marriage regardless of their occupation, income, and education — provided that they do not exhibit the obvious trappings of a lower-class status and lifestyle. she doesn’t understand how a healthy, good, kind man lives, reacts, responds, works, plays, eats and otherwise manages his life and his home.  make sure you marry her in her country because here, she’s going to take your house and half of everything else you have. last thing – happiness in and of itself is a bad goal for a society to have because too few people are actually able to see that strategies for short term happiness and long term happiness actually work against each other., june 15, 9:42 pm:When i’m talking about a woman bringing a lot to the marriage table, i’m talking about a 30+ woman sincerely looking for marriage.“there are plenty of men around who are attractive enough that a woman needn’t marry a guy who doesn’t do it for her. i think my stepsiblings saw me more as a mother than their sister during that period, because i babysat, fixed their meals, made sure they caught the school bus, helped with homework, tried to keep them from understanding how badly their father was doing. i don’t claim to know what goes on in the minds and hearts of every woman who says she doesn’t want children, but i just find it hard to believe that nearly everyone of them who says they don’t want kids,either can’t, are lying, or will change their minds at some point. other words, people put off having children during the economic downturn, and then catch up on fertility once economic conditions improve. with julie’s comments that intense sexual attraction does not hold a marriage together.  if kids are a priority to you men you really need to look for this in your 30s as well. therefore women who voluntarily tatoo their bodies in this way have a slave mentality and a serious character flaw. i deserve my punishment, as i am a sinner and imperfect, or perhaps have grievously sinned, and deserve to be approached by confident fives and spinsters, when the real women i want to marry (based on her appearance) turns up her nose or shows no interest in me. it has been seen in other cultures throughout the centuries. and she can be romantically loved for that to the point of a man proudly and with hesitation dying for her. the only one with a tattoo is a never-married careerist woman (fire captain, to be precise) — and she regrets her choice to disfigure herself decades ago. after a few years, lonely married men may even be in the mix – there are a lot of them. such men would expect that she had been born into that mileau; as opposed to earning her way into it. regard to hugh grant and the secretary, it seemed to be a deliberately scripted crossing of their class barriers over there. and is every bit as marriagable if not more so and deserving of love than the unreal type of woman that dalrock describes. if there is an adequate level of attraction, combined with a deep friendship, shared values, and a determination to honor vows, that seems like a much more solid bet. i would say that i don’t believe my wife really loved herself much, but she was very selfish as indicated by her actions in leaving me after so many years. but yes the way you have explained the feelings or aspirations of a lady in her early thirty are so so right…pleased to know that there are people out there who totally understand what a single lady in her early thirty wants to see in her husband:). dashing one said: “in america a man in his 20s and 30s with a good sex drive is seen as sexy. every single man i know would never go back to the “motherland” to buy a bride. don’t know how any women who professes to fall in love and have a family could be so foolish and brainwashed to waste a decade of her youth in selfishness and be so astoundingly stupid as to believe she can cash out all her chips at the last moment.. she limits herself only to the best men and refuses even to consider men to whom she could be attracted, but won’t give them a chance. way or another, we will all pay that price eventually.. bureau of the census and published studies that was presented for review at the princeton hosted ” population association of america 2013 annual meeting” ( this is where all the key opinion leaders / thought leaders attend ). made a few wrong decisions on the way and wasted my time on the wrong guys and here i am 34. yet i felt no one would ask me out but the hopelessly-optimistic betas who persisted despite the fact that my stepfather taught at the university i attended, and was around more than ever to guard my every move. it’s comments like these that make the hardened regulars around here question your good faith and make us think you’re trolling..s, artistic bums, and alpha male ‘dine and dashers’ come pouring in to feast at her banquet table. in marriage, there is neither to inspire the wife to behave well. how the churchian are failing civilization is they are in awe of the feminine imperative and fail to teach what i am typing here now to the christian young men. but to no avail if she does not know what a man sees a good deal for marriage and is not willing to make herself become a good deal, which i guess is the case with most single women in their thirties. i’ve been to a lot of weddings where the bride was over thirty.% of women lying or not being able to have kids, even after it has been thoroughly disproved by multiple people here, you are the one who needs some intellectual honestly. sometimes i just wish there was no such thing as gender., any woman that requires “hormonal birth control” to control “heavy menstrual cycles and other pms symptoms” is subject to uncontrollable mood swings and is overly spiteful and overbearing for 3 weeks of the month – this cannot be denied. beta, she gets half of the marital assets and virtually guaranteed child custody which secures her an income stream – even if the divorce is 100% her fault and there is video evidence of the local college football team running train on her.. girl attacked by a guy, who uses physical force/threat of great harm and forces her to have sex. this isn’t diagnosing a car problem – this is dealing with the real people in the real world where there are many shades of grey. maybe she should adjust her lifestyle instead of expecting everyone to accommodate hers. they’re either very dominant and controlling, still trying to sew their oats, unfaithful, burdened down with children from previous marriages or relationships, or they are sweethearts with great potential as wives; however are usually surrounded by very the negative types i just mentioned that want the more desirable girls just as corrupt and miserable like them. am not (as with yourself) one of those who thinks that women hit some kind of wall at thirty-five, and thereafter become unmarriaaible, quite the contrary in fact, for i really do not see that any woman has any difficulty in finding a man if she puts her mind to it – most however despite the crocodile-tears and handbags simply do not want to, and at best prefer to seek sympathy for their freely chosen single-dom where they can blame men for only being after one thing whilst indulging as suits them. any woman can do a man in by law and there is nothing that he can legally do about it. in other words, she can commit the most heinous acts of adultery against her marriage and still win. there are plenty of people of faith who are cfbc, and who good individuals sincere in their faith. yes, i know, not as good as the opus but i’m trying my best here! the only thing that matters is the woman who does want to give you the best she has to offer. like i said yesterday, i’m reading and asking questions here to learn so i’m going to keep doing that.,,,,,,, reluctantdater, sounds like a real sweetheart, be nice to her…. i find a lot of the readers to be unnecessarily cruel over at dalrock, its spilling over here behind my back and god only knows where else, and i havent done anything to the manosphere to be treated as spectacle. you, on the other hand, chose to chide her for what she wants to do. say otherwise is to suggest that feminism and the effects (birth control, education etc) and all that is associated with it has somehow genetically altered western “women” to remove this “innate insatiable desire.  it is too early in life to have kids if you aren’t ready for them and know in your heart you wouldn’t be a good mother until you’re ready. if you just “live together forever” you have not participated in that act. if it were really about the cycle, not secretly having illicit sex while pretending not to, there’s a lot that can be done nutritionally for pms..For centuries a womans value and desire was seen to have have children and raise a family – that is the reason for the 6000 year old torah scripture of gen 30 ( ie the oldest recorded case of baby rabies). not that i don’t believe there are good men in the church., if she’s really a marriage-minded woman, she’d break it off. rather reminded me of my (ex) american jewish girlfriend and her endless excuses.  and yet, you comment on  things designed to be hurtful or to rub things in each other’s faces., i come here for marriage advice (even though i am not yet 30, i am 26), and all i see is dozens upon dozens of anti-women comments. what if by not having a child you prevent another career criminal, murderer, rapist, or serial killer? all think the world is ours when we are younger and dismiss others. days, a woman who has made to her late twenties a virgin has all my respect, because as deti mentions, sex for women is presented as being without consequences (if you don’t use a preventative, you can get a pill; if you don’t get a pill, you can get an abortion; if you don’t get the abortion, you can get child support). and yet, i want a man who loves me enough and wants a child badly enough to support me in getting donor eggs or adopting embryos so i may become a mother. was 38 when i fathered twins during the first month that we attempted to have a child. i asked a couple of them that if a man could do all of those things himself and that no women of his acquaintance could or would do any of them, what use would he possibly have for such a woman that would justify the resources of his that she consumed (and no, sex is an insufficient contribution, meager and transient as it is)? when we recently discussed our timeline for having kids, i told him 35 or 36 because i want us to still have fun times together, just the two of us.’ve talked about a woman’s “desoulment” when seeking love from multiple men. when the children are unhealthy everyone immediately says “well what factors did the mother contribute!  what young woman would want to go out with her dad. and even though neither i, nor my wife, are good enough for marriage, we plead with him to hide away our sin; to strike down our sinful selves and so elevate christ and his goodness and sacrificial love for everyone around us to see. it’s not that men can’t handle such women; it’s that a relationship with such a woman isn’t worth the effort, hassle and headache. you have to figure out what things you would like in a mate, and then figure out which of those really are deal beakers, and at the same time, think about whether you are being ridiculous with some of those things you want. there’s single women who were approached when they were younger by good, marriageable men but perhaps lacked the confidence needed to be with such a man.“then i was contacted by a 37 year old divorced woman. you too can help and it starts with accepting logic, facing uncomfortable facts, owning your past and advising others not to go there. but when we get over it, we’re over and done with it, we move on, and whatever bond was there is severed. you, and you’re right, i am a woman who “gives a damn. but here’s the caveat: put this rape thing behind you. it’s hard enough for a woman to pull that off in their 20’s.“unless of course, you child-free identity group folks mean to tell me that you not only don’t want to have children, but also don’t associate with anyone who has children, and refuse to go anywhere where children might be brought.@van rooinek – i bet the bride in question was a virgin and remained faithful to him all her life. also wrote, “a woman is pretty when she thinks she is pretty, and acts it. we are programmed to want more fertile females with whom we can reproduce (younger equals more fertile), we are programmed to not want to raise the children of other men, especially from other tribes, we are programed to look for people with whom to interact that do not engage in risky or dangerous behavior that can drag us down.. i agree there are some women to whom terrible things have happened; it was not their fault, and they have to spend prime marriageable years getting well. as others have noted, you are way ahead of the game compared to other women your age! if you are the kind of guy that is confident in yourself and your own success, you’ll win the woman’s heart, my heart would be won by such a guy. was a teen like you in the mid 1980s, eons ago. i have to apologize for assuming you had actually read and understood the study you linked to, rather than just pulling a single number from one of the pretty charts that you think helped your argument. people reading this who have not been consumed by anti-feminist views presented here will see my posts for what they are worth. you’re not describing any woman, married or single, born in the united states since 1940. are correct in that i was surprised that there are some men in the manosphere who do not denigrate the ow/ym relationships, as i often read of vehement opposition to these relationships. is key, as men arent very good at knowing if a woman is interested in him. there are some usable ideas here but i must admit i feel pretty hopeless now. encountering such a woman stirs something deep inside us, a possessiveness which drives us to claim the woman as our own, to protect her and take care of her as though she were our most prized possession.” i have to disagree with you – a woman is pretty when men think she is pretty and few men think that women get prettier with age. i don’t dislike other women, but i don’t particularity approve of what’s becoming of them in the western world these days. oddly, after “the rape” she proceeded to have months of sexual liaison with each man, risky public sex, sexual activities never done with her husband, and so forth. do you really think i would have been posting here were almost a year now if i were simply trolling and not genuinely interested? if you want a man, honour them, & find out what sort of woman men want …. i’m not saying women should wait to have kids either, but it is not the black and white picture we’ve used for generations to shame women about their ages while giving men free passes for theirs. just noticed the little shot at me by adding (wo) to my name and calling me a woman. johnny my mother had her first child at 47, and on one of her first attempts…. we really need to esteem people that have excellent character traits in higher regard, realize that all that glitters is not gold and that are basic animal attraction can be tricked and perverted (men and women). hate spam as much as you do, therefore i will never sell, rent, or give away your email address. i’m hearing an increasing chorus of female bloggers joining in the “where are all the good men/there are no good men left” chorus. well, if he is reluctant to talk, there can hardly have been any fights unless perhaps she started them, so i deduce that carolina is probably a button-pusher. she wants to get married and have kids, but she just can’t see spending the rest of her life with one of these lonely hearts. the problem is that when a woman gets desperate, which can happen at 21 or 31, it invites mistreatment. there are techniques for re-imaging past memories so they don’t impair one’s good judgment going forward.!) and i know woman that don’t and that is ok too.. guy slips her a drug in a drink, and guy has sex with her while she is drugged. they don’t have to; because if you don’t do what they want; they’ll find another woman who will. yes, you asked her out, but only after she had first approached you. you are going to lash out at a woman that was not being easy and was offering sex in a relationship that she believed was a pathway to marriage?. her endometriosis (btw, my ex-wife of 19 years had it also). whenever i meet these gen y-ers or millennials who look like graffiti-covered pin cushions, the first question that comes to mind, one that one of these days my self-control will fail to curb my tongue and lead me to ask:“what do you really think that shit is going to make you look like when you’re seventy, grey, wrinkled, balding, and otherwise devoid of every last vestige of youth that allowed you to get away with such juvenile exhibition in the first place? suggest women look at amy webb’s ted talk about her difficulties. relationship — being a mother — i often find more socially burdensome (the judgement one gets as a mother is fierce), but being a wife comes easy. theres the fact, precisely because they never get to see a real society, theyre also ridiculously poor judge’s of character …. i was insecure because my mother was constantly belittling me (telling me i was ugly, a closet lesbian, too nerdy), but when i got to college and had to beat the male attention off with a stick, my ego ballooned.) mid to late 30’s white/redhead career spinster at the coffee bean and tea leaf in a business suit. my theological understanding is that it is a sin, a sin i’ve repented for, and that it can stop there and be different than a pua.– that is to far broad brushed of a question given the socio/ economic / stability and many other variables and involves spousal decision., as an actual women who has dated men, not a man speculating about what it’s like to be a woman who dates men, i’m here to tell you that you are *wrong*..Wow, i come here for marriage advice (even though i am not yet old, but still young), and all i see is dozens upon dozens of anti-men comments. a 35-year-old woman’s smv already peaked 10+ years ago and will only decline further. she did in fact pass her expiration date and did not notice because she is gorgeous. she got married around 23 to my biological father in their home country, moved to america with him and had me and my younger brother, then divorced and was able to snare another younger man (she being 32, my stepfather 29 at the time) to marry and take care of us all. here we can go our separate ways in regards to whether this happens through faith alone, the sacraments themselves, whathaveyou. i find the latter hard to believe, but find this mantra in every profile of every professional woman online.’m  going to have to disagree with you there evan.. i mean, basically, your average large church; there’s probably one within a few miles of your home. chaste man doesn’t want a woman who has had multiple sexual partners- she is morally, mentally, spiritually, and emotionally damaged goods. didn’t see the rest her uncomfortable conversation because i was called to the waiting room. don’t have to be talking about someone who has a whole lot to lose here.. realize that the men she used to have sex with will not marry her. human that can kill its own young for the sake of pleasure & convenience is a worse than a animal – it is a feral vicious beast that eats, sleeps, drinks, defecates, copulates day in and day out – it is not human being – there is no soul or conscious. johnny, oh course, it’s always the woman’s fault, right? the original thread of “advice to a woman in her 30s looking to marry. he jumped on a plane, went to ukraine, found his wife (she found him…), in less than a year he filed for a k1, it was approved, he went back to pick her up (they talked via skype during that time), that was the first him her met her parents… his wife alyona is now 30 (she was 28 when they married) been married 3 years and have two kids. for the guys who do find women well before they hit “the wall”, do you plan on using a time machine to keep her young forever? here is what i would say to all those individuals, male or female, looking to be married. do they have a matter-of-fact beyond-question ethic of sticking together for keeps? you’re truly saying here is: you are ignored by the (1%) alpha male that makes you tingle. there’s nothing wrong with leading a rich, fulfilling solo life. the women (or woman may be) who use birth control for period regulation are a very small percentage. it’s getting harder and harder to keep her weight down. can you do to really stand out from the other women? he now regrets it – though he has a great wife – the other kids and the ex-husband are a ongoing hassle. away half of your wealth to a woman is insane. find it annoying when, in hindsight, a woman figures it out. i just don’t buy that what the man of the 2nd scenario did is amoral because god doesn’t, either. according to her facebook she has been dating this guy 5 months. dalrock said in the past that to demonstrate her marriage value, a woman needs to bring something special to the bargaining table. if it’s not, then she herself dug the hole in which she finds herself. none of these are surefire tells for a nonchaste woman who dresses conservatively. course one must take every case on its merits, and although the idea of marrying for reasons other than love are anathema to the young, marriages of convenience seem to be the more common with those into their thirties – a compromise, and perhaps a good one, but hardly what they might have dreamed of when teenagers. the last two are rather closely linked, as it is difficult to be fat on wholesome food. if both are willing to accept this, and there is not a wide age difference, and they both seem compatible, and they both have some productive years, i see no great difficulty with a 30+ yo woman coupling with a man a little younger than she is. genetics (yeah, study up) tells you that the risk is much higher on the woman’s end because she’s got the same eggs she’s had since birth and they don’t get any younger. often the “equality” doctrine of feminists is nothing more than a veiled attempt at making every woman a head. he teaches her how to feel, but not be ruled by, her feelings and emotions. i am a 30 year old woman and i can tell you from experience… all the men that court me are womb diggers.@the story quotes her boyfriend as saying “gloria has thick skin”. this is where mgtow , the pua, and the peter pan types come into play. of the men commenting on and around the manosphere were rule-followers., the “exception to the rule” 30+ pious, holy man/woman who is a real deal “disciple” (rare as hens teeth) is a different story (i cant overstress the rarity of this in america). when a woman says that it means this:– i want kids but i am lying to get a husband. what is the betting that what he really said was that he did not want to put himself first and force her to abandon her career (for which she needs a degree) but that – the way things are – eventually given carolina’s seeming inability to graduate and refusal, in the alternative, to get a job as she was, that he decided to cut his losses. may seem hard to believe to some that there are women who are insecure and lack confidence, but yes, they do exist and indeed wonder what some guys “see in them” and worry about possibly being left for a “prettier girl. so the cbfc boards are filled with women who have nothing good to say about mothers in the workforce getting special treatment – which is a core component of feminism. i’d like to see a woman say “yeah, he was really abusive because he was getting drunk and beating me up” or “he was beating the kids”. i’d have serious, serious reservations about getting into an ltr with a divorced woman, even a childless one.  don’t hate on me just because i  am sharing my opinion here because truthfully it is and has been my observations over time. i thought it was people giving woman insight and advice. now, the only men who ask her out are divorced men in their 40s and 50s, never married men in their 30s who work cubicle jobs and earn less than she does, and the players.: “if a woman has a one night stand every saturday–to fulfill her “emotional needs”–then she only commits 52 instances of extra-marital sex. this may be true in some cases, but i don’t think it’s fair or accurate to assume that this is the case with every single 30+ woman. also learns that she can interact with boys any way she wants, because no one stops her or puts any controls on her. that note, there are studies out there that say older women specifically, not older fathers, are more likely to have smarter, taller, stronger children. those who supported me posting here, or at least acknowledged my ability to debate. (kind of reminds me of a conversation someone around here on what the definition an purpose of game recently).’s a cuter 35-year-old guy, and a funnier 38-year-old guy, and a richer 40-year-old-guy who are getting your women. third live-in boyfriend raped me at age 27, and again there was another psychological shift. several years later she remarried and has a new baby and the ex-husband upon seeing how happy and settled they are, expressed open regret to me that he cheated and deceived what he called a “good woman”. having children is also an often overlooked option on this age of overhyped motherhood. found another perfect example:Well, most of the women my age (early 30’s) would have happily gone on dates in our early twenties.: you have better odds for a ltr where you still support yourself and you don’t have any kids. she felt her high school boyfriend wasn’t right for her at the time and dumped him and didn’t find anyone better.“rj, what has that young man done to you that you would want him to throw away his life and become a slave to the state and the whims of a woman? so you will need to make up for it in other ways. there was a significant contrast in the views that christian individuals held toward couples that were voluntarily childless versus those that had two children, suggesting that this religious affiliation is associated with perceptions of those who stray from the standards of the pronatalist society. i’m simply trying to argue that the number of these exceptions are higher than you realize and the number of voluntarily childfree women in the world is continuing to grow.. but if you end up supporting the household (even by 50%), and then you get all the other duties on top of it. woman who waits to the end of her prime (or later) will always face problems, she will on average never marry as well as she could have 10 years earlier. society (and our mothers) told us to get a good job because in the end we couldn’t count on anyone but ourselves. if you aren’t here to help women find love, you aren’t here for the right reasons. i realize i am different and there are always exceptions to the rule. if you’ve never been married and you are now in your late 30s…guess what…you are too picky. i said was that there are some men who expect these traits (educated and ambitious) in a woman they’re considering for marriage and would not proceed with courtship (in spite of being physically attracted to her) if they discover that she lacks these characteristics. characteristics are certainly a better thing for her to care about than some of the other things women are drawn to. therefore, it was your wife and you who were not good, as your marriage is a wreck. he did a research project on what variables affect a woman getting married. as quality of life continues to tumble in the united states, women will increasingly look for the bigger and better deal and calls for polygamy will get louder; further impacting men in the lower ranges of the middle class. this website doesn’t exist for you to respond to every woman here trying to solidify your own imagined genetic legacy, and the legacy of you elderly father (your poor mom), because you don’t believe women of all ages are deserving of love. living with someone who truly desires a child and cannot have one is immensely different than living as a couple where both parties made a conscious decision to not have children.. expecting god to deliver her alpha stud on a silver platter. think one clarification is important to point out to the occasional woman that stumbles in here and declares female victimhood, and the clarification is this: if someone points out a failing that they’ve repeatedly witnessed in the members of the fairer sex, it’s not anti-anything. just as a drill right here describe yourself sexually how you like to be touched and put more into descriptions of the feelings and passion rather than the action. someone who knows how to set and achieve goals, someone who probably has other areas of her life in shape also. the model of what a marriagable woman should be just does not marry up to the empirical evidence – and the sad and tragic thing is that the women cannot see they are unmarriagable. these women gave the things men want from them for marriage away to other men for free and now want full payment from the christian men who have worked themselves into a good economic, social and emotional stable position. so, unless children are likely, marrying hopeful or any woman has to be considered unwise and ideally unlikely. either way, it appears once when the human population was two – the other time was right after the flood and the population was eight. that is why i wanted to know where everyone was from. most men never experience that with a woman, because we find most women at least minimally bangable and because we men have had to learn to control our sexual urges. its not whether the woman has a beautiful face and rocking body that makes her so darn unattractive and undesirable marriage material – it is the stolid multiplied to the 10th power. i could love that woman too even knowing what i know. me to suggest you are in the middle of a mine field and simpy dont realize it. remember when you stated above in your dismissal of my survey data which had a sample size of 4000:“it is not a “designed” study designed by a impartial researchers that has “very specific controls” over a broad population (as you mentioned 20%)”. this may be true in some cases, but i don’t think it’s fair or accurate to assume that this is the case with every single 30+ woman. only when hit in their mid-to-late 30’s do they change. i say that because i see it almost daily everywhere i go. undergraduate students were given a vignette about an adult couple that either had children or that was childless, and were subsequently asked to complete questionnaires that rated the couple on a variety of personality dimensions.“a 30+ moral / chaste woman who is a “disciple” and has been following jesus and wants to get married has nothing to worry about (this is the exception to the rule). my father spins in his grave at how my life has turned out. i hope you’ve got your shit together by now. at my cousin’s wedding they had to search out my grandmother, as none of the bridesmaids could sew on a button. (exceptions made for widows; however, a widow will have to qualify extremely highly in other areas if i am to take the place of a deceased husband/father).) and either one can end it for any reason (or no reason. has not been brought up yet, but clearly as a man of exceedingly high morals you would never help a woman sully herself… ergo, you have never slept with a woman, as to do so would make you a hypocrite that has debased the notion of female purity, which you appear to hold so dear. my new country, i started from scratch, worked menial jobs attending classes, paid tuition for 3 orphans i just could not ignore, sent my half brother through teaching college and are finally finishing my a healthcare graduate degree (doctor of pharmacy). want to put on the rose colored glassed and buy into the all encompassing panacea that the american woman is evolving out the “maternal baby rabies” – that is your marketing delusion.  best time of my life… guess not the same for her. i still love you, but we have to renegotiate how things work around here. i appreciate all men and feel life is richer with a good man. is some advice for women in their 30s looking to marry:Move as far away from where ever ideas such as the ones above are coming from and take some personal development classes, get in shape, figure out a way to make a meaningful contribution to the lives of others, which will allow you to find happiness, which will in turn make you attractive to men, and the relationship you have been looking for will follow. you don’t know that we knew it was never going to go anywhere. besides, some women in their 30s ‘just havent yet’ met anyone. just because a woman holds feminist views, does not mean she does believe in self-respect. didn’t miss anything you said earlier, but i did miss where your relationship with your wife who had a medical condition which made her incapable of bearing children can be considered a controlled study. sentiments expressed on this article and in the comments reek of “playing it safe” and the concept that “there isn’t enough for everybody”., considering your derogatory opinion of women over the age of 34, i don’ think women are going to feel they are missing out on you if you decide to move to another country., i know your aim is to provide some advice, but a lot of the words you use are rather explicit and i’m not comfortable being addressed that way. why would i mess up life by bringing a woman into it?– revealing clothing (womans fashion of today were street walker clothing of yesterday). but the simple fact of the matter is that a woman from a broken home in today’s day and age presents too high a marriage risk, for the reasons that i’ve expressed. (there’s no need to, as the better candidates almost always are untattooed. we have other assets that women like if they aren’t beholden to racist beliefs and pseudosciences around race. a marriage ends, whatever assets she brings into the marriage is her’ s, whatever assets you bring are her’s and whatever assets you create together might be half yours. it’s not “cool”, it’s not even funny, there should be no celebration for any divorce only unless it was obviously abusive, or cheating. within a week and a half, he asked me to be exclusive; eight months later, to move in with him; two months after that, a shared puppy; now we’re at now and he’s asked me to visit his ancestral homeland in the midwest to meet his childhood friends and spend time with his parents. (i would probably learn her language because there is no working relationship without communication. have to assume the best in men, rather than the worst in men. appears that you have been unhinged since your stepfather passed away. i’ve known women who were regularly approached by good men they considered “beneath” their notice — and yet would turn around and complain that there were “no men. if it’s so stupendouly joyous all the time, why is she here, in the manosphere, asking men what she should do to get one of us to marry her?  be honest in your profile, and if some woman who is on the fence about having children sees your profile and thinks that you may be enough for her, then she might respond., i have no desire to date a big age gap in either direction. and one is starting to develop the signs and symptoms of per-menapouse, but demands for any man she dates needs to stay on hard, have “staying power”, and must be longer than her hand! i don’t know what to make of the guy saying he wouldn’t marry a woman who didn’t have a uni degree. there is no shortage of women who will fuck immediately. virginal woman, is a virgin woman precisely because society dictates it, not because she wants to be a virgin. just like there are many people in exciting, loving relationships, both with and without children. if all she wants is a relationship and not marriage, this will probably widen her choices a small amount. women were surrounded by eligible and invisible men, because those women did not consider those men worthy of her. wouldn’t it have made sense for her next question to be, “now that you’re older, do you still think you’d like to have children? given her rural location outside of my search radius, we would have never met if she had not found me first. said all of the above there are still lots of old guys dating women in their 20s and 30s while they are 50 and older. is, becoming married for american men is now an act of insanity if producing children is unlikely, and a woman already in her thirties is pushing the limits of potentially giving a husband children.“on the other hand, a woman who spends eight years hopping from bed to bed is widely experienced in men. i’m not angry or crying about the past everyday anymore, but there’s absolutely no hope that i can ever clean enough toilets to get my head above water if i’m not allowed to ask for accountability. choose the best looking unattached “nice” guy there that has a decent job and be nice to him and play whatever game he’s playing. cad alpha and all of his cad alpha pals he’s shared her with. what does that have to do with anything being discussed here? the other perception is that maybe women want a partner who makes enough money to help her raised their child(ren) as i realized now that i’m ready to start a family. when i got around to dating again i found that men in their 30’s and 40’s were mostly like adam – they either wanted kids or had kids, along with an ex-wife and a custody schedule. i found another man who’s sexier and more manly than you are, and since we’re not married and i don’t owe you anything, i’m outta here. i don’t think there was any avoidance of the good guys. who knows, there may be a spark even if through a comment 🙂. wanted to add that while i think it’s true that saying “i love you” on a first or second date is moving way too fast, in some cases,the couple may have already known each other for a while, or were even friends prior to dating. being a strong family man does not mean having the “courage” to sign a contract where there are 0 advantages and nothing but severe risks.“it speaks rather non-traditional of me that i’m among more than a few men who, after more than a decade of living alone and taking care of one’s own place (yes, men can vacuum and do dishes), would be perfectly willing to be the stay-at-home parent for a growing catholic family at least part/much of the time if his former-longterm-single wife had a career in which she had invested a long time, was far more lucrative, and which she did not yet want to completely give up (forgive me if i feel that women as well as men can have both a vocation as a spouse/parent as well as a telos as a productive member of society beyond the walls of the home — it merely means that the couple needs to work together that more closely to see the both the husband’s and wife’s small-v vocations alike supported). if someone had been swifter to her than i with the truth, she would not be demanding justice for her own stupidity; which must then be condemnation of her. and some of it is fathers teaching their daughters these things too. there is certainly no such definition for “relatively rare,” which is what i wrote. i would rather kill myself than marry a women in her 30’s . marriage is choosing to make this particular one your responsibility because you just can’t stay away from them, and can’t stop wanting good things for them; the responsibility to lead if you are the man, and to obey if you are the woman. i also know a few women who absolutely hate the fact that there inboxes constantly fill with guys just trying to get laid. i’m not necessarily an exception to the rule, i just allowed myself to get to know a woman who may not have matched all of the criteria i initially set out to find., it’s we male bloggers who are acting like an indecisive woman. higher-status women may shift their economic standards because they judge their own mate value to be higher — even though their income and occupational prestige are relatively unimportant to men. if a ltr woman was trying to be self-righteous looking down upon the carousel rider, and pretending that virtue was hers to wear… she’s unrepentant. don’t know which is the most difficult for a woman in her thirties: finding a reasonably quality guy who is still unjaded and want to start a family or improving herself and her attitude to be able to attract and be attracted to a reasonably quality guy with scars/baggage and convince him that you will be different from the woman or women who gave him the scars/baggage, so he wants to remarry (quite difficult) and even have children with you (really difficult)? but then the late 30s to late 40s women will admit that guys their age or just a bit younger don’t want them. though there is obviously the huge problem that most never realizing that there is something else out there to even take into consideration.…was drop what can only be described as a nuclear neg, and then demand men demonstrate higher value of themselves. a man marrying is essentially putting his future at the mercy of the whims of a woman, and any self respecting man with half a functioning testicle will recognize that the risk:benefit ratio of marriage is very skewed against them. is true: we are all a bunch of losers, regularly rejected by women and thus bitter and twisted and angry (a-my is so perceptive) but it is strange that although people like a-my come here presumably to read the head-essay, they never seem to engage with dalrock but merely everyone else en masse. agree with dalrock that your realistic self assessment is a great asset here for you.“however, i believe that the prime factor affecting the breakup of second and third marriages is that there is less glue holding the marriage together: children, family. i started asking her about getting married, she kept putting it off. they have little incentive therefore to marry one of them. however, it is true that if you aren’t a “decent” man you probably do need to make more money to overcome your other “shortcomings. i married someone who is my intellectual equal, has common interests and who i truly enjoy spending time with, not someone who refuses to think for herself or is “prepared to do whatever it is he wants in your life together. also stated that this data did not detract from my argument, so i fail to see your point either way. dalrock made some good suggestions here — the default is he drives, you encourage and reward his leadership, you defer to him when you can, and has he quite insightfully said, you do pretty much everything vis a vis him (not your own career etc. of the bigger negative consequences of ‘modernist’ philosophy is that it discourages people from learning by way of others’ examples. i’d just go further and point out that if you are (as i assume) banging the younger man you speak of, you ought to stop.’re correct about my not being married, but where does it indicate in any of my posts that i’ve complained about being single or passed over? all guys want a size 8-12 either – that is true also,I would venture to guess that 99. however, if a woman were to assess a man’s worth by his height or bank account she would be judged as shallow at best and likely with a barrage of other insults at worst. if you are happy with that type of arrangement, more power to you, but the whole thing sounds rather dull and boring to me. so now, i will try dating a woman who knows from the start that i want a family of 2+ children and that our relationship is based on love and trust. however, there is not enough conversation and information given to men about how their age affects children as well. suspect there are a lot of 30 + women thinking that when they decide to marry, some hot alpha stud she used to have sex with when she was 23 will reappear in her life after a lengthy absence by reconnecting through facebook. nothing wrong with a woman doing what it takes for her man. it was hard for me to accept that my smv was that low, but it probably was ( my mid-30s self ranks -2, as a lower beta in roissy’s smv for men survey). don’t see many comments here that are not factual, it’s just seems a lot of the comments are colored in a “haha, now that you have made your bed *bitch* go lie in it mentality. this does not leave a whole lot of time for a significant other. like to say: if your spouse was horribly, permanently maimed or had sudden-onset nasty mental illness the day after marriage, would you stick by him/her??I’ll chime in as a 30-something “together” professional woman. more importantly: i would have to take her unwillingness to submit as the sign that it is: she is not of the lord. can jump up & down insisting a woman is not “damaged goods” who doesn’t want children due to her resounding disciplined decision – i say politely say bs. whether there is a difference between men & women (there is ) you are comparing apples and oranges in regards to income vs ethics/morals. my career, i worked & became friends with a divorced “modern” islamic woman who had a masters from kent state whose husband had left her for a younger woman (stupid guy). however, in this smp, if what that woman wants is to marry, she needs to get real. one of you may well — probably will — go down the tubes quicker and more dramatically than the other. is church still a good place to meet a nice guy for a girl who wasted her 20s with others? any rate i adopted much of what he told me where i was a kid. unless she happens to be his age, but that’s another topic. maybe it’s really about the sex, where sex=validation; “i’m still desirable. but you did not mention having a therapist, despite being so open about so much. her family is stable, no history of divorce, she was a state ranked swimmer, low maintenance and could give sugar lessons on being sweet. attempts to circumvent it are therefore proof that the heart, mind, and motives are in the wrong. repeat, there is no man who will be at the same page as jls is, so the best thing to do is find out who’s left, understand what “page” he’s on (unattractive beta who never had success with the ladies, guy who likes the single life, divorced guy looking for companionship but tired of marriage) and understand that what you want isn’t what he wants, and unless you compromise, you won’t get anything at all. traits aside, the other issue i wanted to address is the idea that all women want to have children. i would not have answered that my marriage was amazing back then because my ex’s mother died shortly before we were married. women never cease to give other women a pussy pass … women dont know how to be confident? you say something they don’t like, so there must be something wrong with you.“how can a man say this to a woman he knows and forget? all here should focus on what can be done to change the laws. a woman hits forty and remains single she will go cougar (or eat/pray/love ).. she talks about evenings at the bars and her “fun” nights out. dont let anyone tell you, you are les desirable cuz you are in your 30s..but only because quality is now the exception rather than the norm. there are plenty of asian women in their 20’s and 30’s that are looking for an older guy to get married and have kids, there are plenty of latinos women, incredibly hot and mature, that are easy to settle, there are plenty of eastern european women, russia, poland, bulgaria, ukraine, just name it few. i’m dating abroad now and am in a great relationship with an educated, beautiful and childless 23yr old woman abroad. she needs to find a man she’s attracted to (sexually attracted to, who turns her on) and to whom she can submit. asians come here with nothing, and ask for nothing, and in the end, build something for themselves. you aren’t going to get the 35 year old lawyer with the 0,000 mcmansion if you’re in your 30s, so don’t think that’s what you can get if you hold out long enough. such traits are a rare find in a woman who isn’t tempted daily with the knowledge that they can be malicious with the full approval of the law, and be rewarded for it. this goes to say that to read the comments where men trash certain women for being 30+ older unmarried really cut to my heart, but i know no one would be saying anything if there were no problems to speak of. men have two options for getting a younger hotter woman. submission, from red pill reformation:A wife who submits does not place herself in a subservient or servile role. i think it’s more important for a couple to be on the same page with what they want (they both really want or really don’t want children), and then figure out the rest together. women can go-on assuming i lack tact or some other social skill in order to attach the opposite sex. as the last hundred years have on average raised living standards to hitherto unheard of levels, easily giving everyone at least five years more an average, marriage age of 35 for woman is completely normal and understandable. you quoted scripted, here are a couple of my personal favorites regarding baby rabies and hypoagency:~when rachel saw that she was not bearing jacob any children, she became jealous of her sister. it gave me connections and hands on experience i needed to command a higher starting salary. not desiring children of my own was a personal choice and bears no reflection on my thoughts about other people wanting children. is a rather insightful & credible research paper on voluntary, involuntary and temporary childlessness in the united states that cites u. the reality of human biology that resulted from millennia of evolution, there is “programming” in men and women at the hindbrain levels that affects us unconsciously. a woman says doesnt want chidlren – then she is unable to or lying (comission or omission) – get it ? most likely she went about sabotaging our marriage because of it, ( the problems and her infidelity seem to coincide) and lifted a burden from me. it has nothing to do with my looks or that i still get mistaken for being an 18-year-old by complete strangers, but rather that i want a man of substance … if that man will have me. i would rather you come over we watch and laugh than bothering with a bunch of strangers at the movies’. they have no child, where are they going to get the biochemistry to bond over for life?. one other man is significantly different than ten, fifty other men. over your solipsistic character and you’ll see how many good guys are out there for you.’m thinking you’re not gonna find her in your former church because how is it that you were shacked up with a guy from church and no one called you guys out for living in sin? “has a lot going for her” i mean she is nice, kind, sweet, submissive, pleasant to be around, is not a ballbuster, and has domestic skills such as cooking, cleaning and knows how to care for children. at least as risky and resource consuming as what a woman’s body has to deliver. i understand that the relationship you had with your ex-wife was difficult and i don’t take lightly the plight of a woman who desires, yet cannot have children. this is will you a chance to check compatibility and give you a chance to know each other.: “i’m willing to give up my privilege of having sex with other girls to keep having sex with you. must forgive me for looking so close into the use of the word ‘found’ for i now see you also used it in your first post where you explained that your wife ‘found’ you. there’s tons of beta guys here making six figures but can’t get a date… and the economy here is booming.“really think about this – what good is it to have a higher education (master on up) that leads to a short term career ? would a younger woman want to date a much older man? a woman should first realize that no man is her equal; all men are above her. she has a strong drive… she hasn’t saved herself to age 30 (with very rare exceptions. which is being kind, selfless, warm, sexy and sentual ( yes all the thing that would make a feminist cringe) but also can hold a great job that she enjoys but doesn’t get her panties in a twist and needs to either go to the gym for hours or drink away her stress 5days a week. i read this somewhere, did it, and within a year i was engaged. what stops a man from telling a woman their true feelings? husband does but is ok with her decision, which was made before marriage (to her credit). please enlighten us as to why a 50 year old man’s body is scarier than a 50 year old woman’s body. and is every bit as marriagable if not more so and deserving of love than the unreal type of woman that dalrock describes. campbell (1999, 72) has argued there have always been individual women who sought to prevent conception, aborted unwanted fetuses, and abandoned or killed a newborn child. i’ve lived abroad, in central america and the caribbean, and let me tell you something: the majority of women down there actually dig guys who are older than they are. for those with heavy menstrual cycles and other pms symptoms that affect the quality of their lives, the hormones in birth control pills can be beneficial. you married your wife (who looks younger than her age, is in great shape, and is extremely attractive) for the person that she is – so please tell us more about that, because so far all we know are her, from out point of view, less than desirable physical traits – i mean the tats, piercings and the crew-cut. but it is not equivalent to a promiscuous ride on the carousel, where the sin is repeated, where stumbling blocks are knowingly put before many more people. that’s how things are going stay, cause i’m not being bothered with wasting what good few brain cells and patience i have left. women can literally say and do anything they want, whenever and wherever they want, with or to whomever they want, with impunity; and nobody has any right to judge them for it. what i’ve gathered from the men who post here, you are looking for the outliers. parents were in their late 30’s by the time they married, and didn’t have kinds until their mid-40’s. in 1970 the average age of a first-time mother was about 21. an attractive girl in her 20’s with a low partner count almost feels like striking a diamond in this technologically advancing morally defunct 21st century era. there are simply not enough hot 25 year old women to go around for all the men that desire them. have never, ever met such a woman, ever in my life. but wrong is wrong whether you’re a man or woman, why am i the only one being told to grin and bear it? one she met in a bar/pool hall on vacation, and the other in the workplace (hospital). then like said in (b) they turn around and complain, b*tch about how there are “no good men”. description of your husband reminds me of my ex and my father. in one of those situations, ladies, and talking about how you got raped, and your hope was destroyed by the “assault” how you can’t trust men, etc and so forth, will just make you look like a girl who seriously needs a lot of counseling for her issues, preferable with a sane christian.

Dating a girl in her mid 20s

men here are also right to tell you to lose your entitlement. modernity has created new possibilities for being a woman that exclude motherhood. when my wife and i married, a friend of hers expressed some surprise that our first time together was indeed on our wedding night–evidently most of her other friends, yes church friends, were milking the cow before it was in the barn, so to speak, and sadly reaped the consequences of that. i would counsel against marrying such a woman for obvious reasons. i guess freshmen in high school is a good time for her to see that. see if she can come up with some testicular / mental fortitude worthy responses to further explain her post. the contrary, the bible is crystal-clear about the need to project love to others rather than turn it inward toward oneself., fathers, pastors, church elders, older brothers, various male relations, and other assorted males in positions of authority and influence over women have largely abandoned their headship duties. here’s the more relevant point to this article:  most women under 34 don’t want to have kids with some 42 year-old dude who was so immature and ambivalent about having a wife and children that he put it off forever, when they could be with a guy their own age! a husband should consult his wife, weigh her advice carefully (after all, a husband thought enough of her to marry her), and make a decision in accord with god.  there should be very little risk even in her early forties.  or how she doesn’t want to take care of you when you get prostate cancer, because she’s still young and wanting to have her fun. my parents always insisted that i marry a jewish woman…. as far as for a boot up the ass, there’s other women on here with much more worth that kick a lot harder than your pathetic ass ever could. perhaps it is just pump and dump after all – silly of me to have ever supposed otherwise.’s not enough for a man to be prepared to marry a woman, he has to be not only able to do so, but ready and willing to do so. she does not… then being married to her will be pure misery, you’ll be begging for sex and not getting it.– a 30+ moral / chaste woman who is a “disciple” and has been following jesus and wants to get married has nothing to worry about (this is the exception to the rule). her definition of “abusive” is probably just a description of her husband having to use well justified rage and screaming to berate her for her irresponsible spending that was forcing them into bankruptcy. don’t need to measure hemlines, or catalog wardrobes to know if a woman is immodest. since it is so important, what’s the best way to figure out about where your mmv “band” is? stupid male, dont you know that a woman has a right to change her mind at any time while you do not. bible says that when your ex-wife committed adultery, she sinned against herself; she soiled herself. he’s spot on in what he has said to you (this post & others). it’s always expressed as:“oh, he loved me, but he was like a brother to me. still, she is still fuckable in a dark room if her husband visualizes her as someone else.“for thus we find in the case of cain, who killed his brother, that it is written: ‘the bloods of your brother cry unto me’ (genesis 4:10) — that is, his blood and the blood of his potential descendants…. how come you wanna have kids only in your late 30s?, consider that “girl game” on marriage is going to weed out puas and players, and those men who are either gunshy or just aren’t in this looking for a wife. also like the fact that the the woman is someone who i would not date, and the young guy is competition. why is there so much hatred of people older than 25 on this site? i would rather sleep with this non-christian guy than even consider dating you.. my mom and dad have been together since they were 15 and 18. i always understood that no one person is perfect ( it would be insane to think otherwise) we all have our baggage we bring along with us ( people gain extra baggage along the way, some have had it since they were kids) it is very important to not let these bags become too heavy or all consuming this way you can keep evolving and be able to hold a bag or two for others. less than 15 minutes ago i was hit on be a fat five , otherwise known in la as a “confident five” in the downstairs lobby. occasionally uses sex as a weapon to get her way. mentioned, there is the law of diminishing returns/happiness in relationships. ( you are correct that certain woman do age poorly, especially if they are ‘over processed’ for a majority of their life from wearing too much make up, processing the crap out of their hair, to over extending their body since they have been young. i used to get as in school, now i’m uneducated and working as a housekeeper to keep myself afloat, but in a way i appreciate it because it’s reinforcing the ‘old world’ teachings i had growing up that i tried to escape – that a woman should know how to keep house. “we’re beating you up because women beat us up, and you’re a woman, and you’re available for us to beat up, so we’re beating you up, and…how does it feel? beyond that, they cannot give any reason why a woman’s n is irrelevant. it sounds like tracy isn’t looking for anything serious anyway, which is fine, so i would take her comments (and the comments of any 40+ guy trying to date 15+ years younger, for the same reason) with a grain of salt. haven’t answered the question of how old is too old because i don’t think there is one answer. notion of love for a woman is a very selfish notion. and one is starting to develop the signs and symptoms of per-menapouse, but demands for any man she dates needs to stay on hard, have “staying power”, and must be longer than her hand! and stay married for a long time (death will end it) marriage to women today is what am i going to get (gina tingles and security, and no submission or even the slightest obligation) to women that is a happy marriage and is fully supported as the norm by law and culture (churchian church too) a nineteen year old low to no sexual experience (may 1 or 2) can pull that off with a combination of blissful ignorance (sexual innocence) just starting out economically ( relative security easy to achieve) she is so damn sexy the groom is motivated to please her and sexually aroused by her so all is good. don’t know if you are single ,married or are looking for a husband or boyfriend when you can understand this concept you will be in a good position to be a pleasant woman to spend a life with. if morals are further degraded then it the price paid exceeds what is received in return. i could go all calvinist and try to play the “god knew i’d repent and he would come to faith so it was his plan” card as i’ve seen others do, but at least i don’t do that. but measuring her vaginal fluid level and composition doesn’t lie.. but there is also one more issue, – guys who are high maintanence. but as they have pointed out, there are a lot of men out there (but not here) who are not going to view an old world 30-year-old woman with an n of 3 as being beyond redemption. – “most of us, however, are savoring our independent lives and have thus developed eccentricities and habits that can get in the way of sharing our lives with another person. i have encountered quite a range of mra’s and while this site seems to attract the family oriented type, there are quite a few who don’t want anything to do with women at all and never want to settle down. i grew up envisioning that by the time i was 25 i’d find someone like my wonderful beta stepfather, not because of any sordid incestuous attraction – but because he was a great provider, worked as an educator, and he was a great leader and father). rather, men are trained that “attraction” for women is about “compatibility”, or how nice, affable and agreeable a man is, how “relationship-ready” a man is., however, almost no woman in the western world today, no matter how “christian” she portrays herself to be, will ever “submit” to a husband. sometimes we even discuss the virtues of extended families and the benefits of grandparents and other elders in the lives of younger generations.’d be willing to wager that he “took [them] into bankruptcy” because he had no choice – probably because she wouldn’t stop her reckless spending. (dalrock, i left you a comment elsewhere and you replied…now i can’t find it…this blog has been going on a while with plenty of popularity, apparently!, yes, when it works, i don’t think there is anything much better than a 23 and 28 year old couple starting their life together and staying that way forever.“when a woman says they it means they cant or they are lying /omission and will amend this later. she will be a source of her husband’s persecution; which the husband takes on her behalf.” to which he said that he can talk to a 30/40 year old woman but not to an immature 20 year old girl. mental health issues are huge; he will not want to take on a woman with deep seated mental problems. enough every woman i date says i am chauvinistic and they like it. this woman could snag a beta after 30, than any woman can:Amy webb: how i hacked online dating. married life isn’t endless sex, but it’s not endless prison or torture either. rape in your situation is only one of many moving parts that are packed together in this season of your life. there is now a backlog of failed relationships and unhealthy behaviors which have consequences.  no more boxes to check, no more trying to decipher a 2-d profile. it’s because he’s actually very alpha, so i think it works in her favor in that way. no one will take a flyer on her for marriage. issue here is not making yourself more attractive for marriage. the comment back to myself from lyn 87 and cfman’s masterly exposition of his position – perhaps the ladies who come here would take a leaf out of his book as to how to defend a position – i would like to say, that for me, somehow, in the absence of medical, financial or other good reason, the decision consciously to opt-out of parenthood seems to me to be a thought too far. all encompassing panacea is to think one can have their cake and eat it too while covered with hot fudge, whipped cream, and cherries, and not work out and not gain weight..and still many 48 year old woman have healthy babies…i know so many but again…risks are there for men too is all i am saying…i’m 30 and i’m a woman i look young for my age people think i’m 21 but i’m not so me going for a 30 year old man that looks 35 looks kinda creepy and i don’t want that look, so i date men that are like 26 or 27 and we make good couple…we look the same and i know if i ever have children when i’m 40 i got younger healthier sperm…. g-d will satisfy her desire and she will reap exactly what she has sown”. have this mental picture of you sitting on the park bench together on lunch breaks, thighs pointing dead ahead but parallel and not touching. never mind the physical youth, young women are charming when stood next to not-as-young women, because for the most part they aren’t either jaded or damaged, the adjective i use for them is ‘sunny’. but it is quite obvious you are a woman given your reasoning/logic (lack thereof) as well as lack of value judgement / risk vs benefit. only think men like loud, boisterous, drama-laden women because that is what you see other women around you doing and talking about. we also no longer accept that clubbing each other over the heads is acceptable behavior., where does one find women who are interested in being sahms? would the reaction to what eva says was her rape have been much different if they were married? when in my twenties i hoped to marry a virgin, because, let’s be honest, satisfaction with your spouse and commitment to your spouse would seem to be better served by not having other lovers to compare your spouse to. hopefully it’s effects are reversible with the cessation of the drug’s use – although that might not be certain, depending on where in the experimental stage the current generation of such a drug is. don’t think the feminists are making any threats here, at least not the ones i know.  but someone should be telling this to younger men in their 20s and 30s: if you seriously want to have children you have to get your “stuff” together, grow up, and start taking it seriously just like women have to. not everyone can be helped by counseling (that’s what i gather reading c.@ ton “a 33 years old woman can be a good find for a dude in his 50′s”. with out the laws of misandry a woman will do the things that men need and be pleasant to her man not out of kindness but out of pure wicked selfishness. the ltr’s contours and characteristics can be changed, abolished, redefined or renegotiated at any time by either or both of them, without explanation or recourse. they do it by promiscuity, murder and other base things – if the shoe fits then wear it proudly for all to see. there will be days when you think “why the hell did i sign up for this?“she is either sexually active or subject to unbearable/uncontrollable mood swings.“so should these [religious] girls [who go only so far and no farther] just have sex? without wishing to appear moralistic i do find some cause for concern in her fourth paragraph. and if they feel they’re not good enough, it can be difficult to open up to another person and sustain a relationship.-my / carolina, i’m wondering how your comments got approved and whether this blog would benefit from having more of them. and if they are, then i have to ask: how many times does such a woman need to make this mistake before she finally figures it out?  the fact of the matter is that there are and always be mitigating factors when it comes to meeting the right person. for the matter of perspective, she needs to be upfront about her intentions of not to having children to her future husband."tron - that may be but that still doesn't follow that you would therefore assume that anyone in a relationship with a partner less attractive than the other is somehow trapped. that might be what the guys here are looking for in a partner, but it could not be further from the truth for me. myself am childless and it was by procrastination – working to make $$$ (successful) but not to make a life (i made mistakes in ignoring my internal drives & relationships, and there were lots of opportunities in the past) – and it was the feminist movement that contaminated my mind (i truly believe that) – “be nice” – “no you can’t f#ck her because you’ll take advantage of her”. she is simply unable to discuss it, because it still hurts so badly after 18 years of her unhappy marriage. i’m sorry again about your ex’s infidelity, i’m glad that finding out brought you relief, rather than distress.  (i caught so much crap when i was dating a 42 year old when i was 29)    now that i am older myself, i really wish to keep it closer to my age, and with a man who is fit and healthy for his age (as am i)  but i am not going to revile others for their choices or desires.. i googled her card and looked up her facebook and her boyfriends facebook. he will alight to her on bended knee with a ring and a pledge of eternal love. however, what about if a woman is non-chaste but dresses and acts conservatively?  at least he didn’t settle for the wrong woman like a lot of men and women do. nevertheless, colin firth is spending every day with the fit portuguese wet underwear model, so there is a certain affection there, on his side, despite the language barrier. woman who would murder her unborn child for the of the sake “convenience” to exercise her right to govern her body should let disclose “her right” to potential marriage suitors. she met her husband through online dating at 29 and married him at 32.– please point out to the audience where i uttered the words “damaged goods”. other question had to do with what independent, professional women in their mid-30’s really want. (or a masculine butch if she works and earns more than her hubby thanks to affirmative action). he saw how she was with her kids and concluded she was a great mom, and she is. a marriage ends, whatever assets she brings into the marriage is her’ s, whatever assets you bring are her’s and whatever assets you create together might be half yours. there is plenty of evidence for the bonds between parents and their children, but the bond that 2 adults in a monogamous relationship have to one another does not require children. you explain to me how the sins are identical to one another, other than their being sins? at my income level only single mothers and cast-offs are available and it just got worse and worse as i got older. there are many women in the same position as you, if you have the heart to look at women the same way you look at men. i guess if there will be a movie for a 40 year old female virgin, i will be a likely candidate. if we could return to centre here for a moment; perhaps some common ground can be found?@michael ” is church still a good place to meet a nice guy for a girl who wasted her 20s with others? he is 6 foot attractive and had many offers yet ends up with a woman six years older – i. we are in the minority, but that doesn’t mean we don’t exist, you just have to know where to look. is quite obvious of her virtue /chastity (lack of) and her morals (lack of again)- she has doesn’t know how to blush nor is she embarrassed. to conditioning – it never enters her mind that she has amended the contract. i strongly suspect that your issue isn’t with the post as i wrote it, but the comments of others who (not unlike you) shared their own thoughts on the internet. drill sgt i knew told me there was a block of instruction on how to gesture. if a woman says no, i don’t want kids, than there will be no kids, even if a guy wants one. she is not representative of most other women in their 30’s who have let themselves get fat and out of shape, who have cut their hair shorter, and who have become bitter, man-hating shrews. men and woman who are in relationships together are also having their children in their early to mid 40’s. any woman can do a man in by law and there is nothing that he can legally do about it. i hate to say this, but you might have to find a non-church going woman for it. therefore, i should not marry her because we should not be unequally yoked…and there’s going to be trouble. and man would want to date this woman for at least two years? you can tell me if i’m wrong, but i just got the sense that it was implied that you felt a woman who doesn’t want kids is lacking, (even to men who don’t want kids themselves) and would need to compensate even more so than women who do want children by offering the attributes you mentioned.. i am the most important human being in her life. did briefly date another foreigner, but he lived in the states over 20 years, and although he had an accent, he was easy to hear and understand, and his english was extremely good, no language barrier at all. i could go all calvinist and try to play the “god knew i’d repent and he would come to faith so it was his plan” card as i’ve seen others do, but at least i don’t do that. am a 39 year old woman who fits the type adam is looking for (maybe a little older than he would like) and contrary to what he has experienced, i was looking for a relationship, online, with someone in my age group or a little older. there’s nothing wrong with staying in on friday nights. at the same time i am not cynical about it either. a man might prefer a younger, slim, attractive woman but it shouldn’t be the main reason he wants to be with her. she needs to learn how to love others, because that does not come naturally.“modern women, are fed lies about what men want or look for in women, assuming that the woman in question is told anything at all. it’s rarely spoken about, but these are nature’s drives that go back long before we were cave people, and that’s why there are 7 billion people on this planet. i keep reading in the news that there’s been some kind of recession or something, but it hasn’t been obvious to me at all. 30s are pretty awesome…it has its own challenges, just like 20s had their own challenges,– for women per se. perfect,” but certainly there has to be someone better than all the misandrists out there. another poster said something to the effect of they all list their hobbies as only grilling and sports.@ eva; seriously, you should network at whatever church you attend, and you would likely find some guy there willing to take you on. yes, i want to be with a woman who is a christian, who will submit (some great definitions of biblical submission above), who will remain attractive (yes, that’s important…read “his needs, her needs”); who is willing to cook, clean, and basically be pleasant and participate in the marriage. that is a kick where it hurts to the nth power. he should review his pictures and profile and see if there’s a conflict there. interestingly enough the woman is destructively bonding to the children instead of her husband.@perspective – i believe you can sometimes tell a virgin woman just by looking at her face. think, it is, if not wrong, then at least unhelpful for anonymous please to describe herself as a single mum – for that term has undesirable connotations: she is a widow with a child. it just seems unfortunate for those women close to or beyond 30, who actually did and do respect themselves, and yet still come across judgements from others who assume they haven’t.’m a 37 year old woman and have online dated off and on over the years. this was back when they thought it was so cute that tony blair’s wife was in the middle of having a baby, just like a normal couple, in the stuffy official residence. advice for a woman to start asking out men is based on a few things. if a woman cannot do that, huge swaths of social ties and interactions cannot be made or maintained. from that, contrary to what many men on here say, education and socio-economic background are important factors to many men when considering a wife. of course some of the things that go into determining one’s smv (especially one’s overall level of attractiveness) are also components of one’s mmv, but the mmv has a lot of other things in it as well (such as the attitudes and history you’ve mentioned). what we’ve been taught has been how a man attracts a woman. only study that i am aware of that mentions these risks is from iceland where people are very closely genetically related (their family lineage goes back to the viking era). if your purpose here is not to help women, and based on your responses, it isn’t, you have no place here. like i can’t stand extreme feminist like you, i can’t stand mgtow idiots either. from that, contrary to what many men on here say, education and socio-economic background are important factors to many men when considering a wife. i know this; i grew up in a small town where everyone’s up in your business all the time. i rank above her parents, her family of origin, even above our children. there is nothing that turns a man off faster than this…. there were so many things making me think that we would never get beyond a first date, but i went ahead with it anyway.  a 2011 article in scientific american concluded that children of fathers aged 50 and older are at a significantly higher risk of psychiatric disorders such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder so it’s not just women who get to old to have children. but “super hot” from a supposedly ny orthodox jewish speaks quite a bit about her morals. just totally blows my mind how any young women can believe the lie that she can party her youth away and get married at 30+. if you just “live together forever” you have not participated in that act., i’d just hope an identical twin copy of myself pops up out of nowhere and date him instead…. the other good looking man i know sleeps with anything female. i can only wonder how many women out there have little things like that, that are deal breakers. anyway, it’s over and i’m trying to re-evaluate and re-examine my life, that’s why i thought i’d post here and be honest and hopefully the men would be honest with me. but you have to take elspeth’s advice and seek an older woman in real life you admire (preferably a happily married woman) who can advise you on the issues you raise. does she spend her time bemoaning what the world has done to her up to this point? a bit off topic, but if a man acts as if he likes a woman, but never actually says it, what does it mean? right now you should be on one of those sight getting to know those type of men (don’t be in there debating and shit talking about goodness and marriage) go in there to discover ways to be pleasing and enjoyable. was another woman who was in grave error and played the harlot, and her story appears in judges. if you think democrats and republicans have different agendas there is a good chance you’re old. at the moment she is the one making money (so why did she not help her husband out? there are some very good points of advice in some of these comments, it just might b difficult for some girls to weed through because there is so many negative comments as well. a woman from an ltr is closer to a frivorced woman. having children with a woman over 34 is risky and potentially expensive unless you’re health plan support reproductive health. means when i ask her how many sexual partners she had, her answer should be “three” or less (given she would lie about that for sure, dividing the real number by 3, unless of course she’s a virgin). sympathy for women who just will not follow the obvious is wearing rather low… like 6 feet under the ground low. you really want to know what goes through our minds when we see a woman who is hot for her age? do find a woman who is 48, 49 or 50 attractive and sexy, my ex is, many of my friends are. a man, it follows that it’s of absolutely critical importance that you vet a woman’s friends before you marry her. chris rock said either your married & bored or single & lonely (there is some truth there- people are wired to cohabitate(marriage) and reproduce. the article didn’t highlight the fact, but rather gave it a way when they compared the average female figure (along the lines of 36-24-36) of the present and in the 50’s… and gave away what’s changed… women are getting thicker around the midsection than they used to be. it is the duty of every man (especially those who comment here) to man-up by going-down on one knee before these deserving women and do so before they are snapped up by the local christian gray and i have that on the authority of no less an authority than pastor driscoll himself. surprisingly, the higher the gender equality, the stronger the double standard.’m saying that with that requirement removed, others become more important and steadfast. divorce is a sin in and of itself, not relating to the marital sex which precedes it -0- which is not sinful – or whether sex takes place afterwards. they’ve been rejected and done their share of rejecting men, so they don’t want to risk another rejection. i usually don’t pay any attention whatsoever to the femtrolls who come here with their toddler tantrums/intellectual bulimia purges, we’ve been getting a sufficient number of these of late that it prompts a couple of blanket questions:1.“men who don’t want kids probably aren’t very good in bed, either. i chose that name because i was directed here from a childfree website where the members were laughing at the comments about all women wanting children and sharing stories of how that statement is blatantly false for so many people. she notices these good, honest well dressed successful, family oriented providers are not sitting down to eat her “succulent dishes”. a woman has a one night stand every saturday–to fulfill her “emotional needs”–then she only commits 52 instances of extra-marital sex. in her prime, let’s say 6 now) who spent her 20s in a relationship with a really nice omega with all of the qualities that women say they want in a partner. if you’re a woman coming to the manosphere to find out about your shortcomings then you should already know….! reluctant dater is more than sweet, i have known her for years…she is multi faceted, intelligent, genuine,open minded, easy going, spontaneous, determined, motivated…. the amount of atheism and child-hatred in the cfbc movement reflects poorly on the movement in my estimation, like the amount of reflexive anti-christianity and woman hatred the crops up in the mra from time to time. sadly some of us as men were train even by our mothers not to trust woman etc. the idea of “honesty” from women who drop by here, don’t hold your breath. a man should not be saddling and sandbagging himself right out of the gate, starting off a marriage with a woman with serious medical problems. did enjoy the post by dashing one that said that women in other countries are raised to view age differently. i think a woman who does know better by the time she gets to her thirties certainly has better prospects than a woman who doesn’t. is why, you should never stay in a ltr for more then 2 years, as there is no guarantee of commitment. i’d argue that you are correct and that by separating herself from the normative god given behavior the most she is the most destructive of her nature. the last year, how many different men have asked you out or otherwise shown sexual interest in you?) then there seems to be an unattractive alpha – is that not a contradiction in terms? so yes, men should be wary and make sure they marry someone who seems like she will stick with her vows. and with that comment, it is more obvious you aren’t here to support women in finding love but to attempt to bring them down. deti says, even when it all goes wrong, women can shift the blame from themselves to the man in question – something a man can never do without looking like a petulant loser; for he will never obtain another man’s sympathy. with nobody knowing she is dead until the odor of her decomposing body comes through the walls of her dwelling. how many years as a wife and a mother do you have left? while the typical critique of women in their 30s and beyond is having a list a mile long, i think they also tend to forget to consider the man’s game. notion of love for a woman is a very selfish notion. you haven’t figured it out yet – there is double standard with women “they reserve the right to change their mind at any time”. and if you aren’t here for the right reasons, that means you are only here for your own self serving needs.“maternal urge” was never really there for me like i sensed in almost everyone else! bed the creeps and bad boys rather than someone they know would make a good husband. i sincerely hope what opus, deti, casey, buck, michael, myself and others wrote is regarding your situation is totally incorrect and you are not a statistic. attempts to circumvent it are therefore proof that the heart, mind, and motives are in the wrong. there was a lot to worry about i did not think it wise to rope in someone else.’m only in my mid-twenties, but i’ve seen it in girls as young as 12 and as old as 40, they always have a circle of hens who make it their life’s mission to see that no other woman ever makes an independent decision, no matter the cost. perhaps you should clue susan walsh and her commenters in on your little secret. there’s a difference between a carousel, and an ltr that never becomes marriage. they were explicitly told that if they followed the rules, they would be able to find a woman, marry her, and enjoy marital bliss. i have friends with stay at home wifes, that can’t be bothered to cook a meal, don’t pick up after themselves, or do anything really. rates go up the older a woman’s partner is. just like women have the rule where men shouldn’t ask women about their weight or age, same should go for men’s height for women. title of this tread is “advice to a woman in her 30s looking to marry”. he’s head of government; her family is very blue collar. you haven’t failed her as much as you failed yourself. her story was too good to pass up for my personal amusement at which i did indulge at her expense. one of the things that attracted him to his now wife was her demonstrable example of mother worthiness. i am experiencing a mid-life revival where my health is great, i feel 21 again, and it is easy for me to get distracted by the many good things of this world. she is not going to get george clooney or brad pitt or christian grey to marry her. maybe dalrock will weigh in or maybe he won’t, it doesn’t sound like there is much upside for him either way.“how exactly does a reasonably attractive woman spend 15 years of her life with men vying for her attention and not run across one man worth marrying?   most men with confidence can bloom wherever they are planted. yes, there are women like this, but please, be kind to each other. i know there are gold digging women in every country and they know who to find easy targets — bitter, shallow, insecure american men looking to fulfill a deluded fantasy and willing to shell out what cash they have to soothe their egos– and they know how to play you like a violin. perhaps i’m not the only one taking myself too seriously around here. one girl refusing to date me doesn’t cut down the herd by very much.“have to ask, where in america are most of you guys (and gals) writing in from? she doesn’t serve our lord, she doesn’t serve a husband or children, no one other than herself. the perceptions people have others tend to effect their treatment of them. you don’t have to answer here; answer for yourself, and it might give you some insight. it’s about the woman optimizing her sexual strategy depending on her circumstance. are you here to meet a man that might one day ask to marry you? it is all about her life, her emotions, her feelings, her wants, her needs, and her desires. there are lots of women who have lead happy lives without children and many older women who have no regrets and have never changed their minds. i still say its sad that he had to go and find a bride elsewhere. first, the “arbitrary” limit on piercings (one per ear, in normal location, and no more anywhere else, ever, including in the past) is a good way to screen out the impulsive-in-a-bad-way (think short time horizons), so it is very useful as a fast way to tell which women are most probably not ever going to be marriage material for degreed, productive (read: generally employed at non-bovine poop jobs) men. we are friends, there is trust, he is stable, a good provider, we have good team work, similar background, children the same age. if these older men are set in their single ways, well same here, so it would be a learning experience for both. i imagine most people have given one ex a second chance, maybe two… and if they weren’t a fool, they’re done with them and done with any other ‘lets-get-back-in-touch’-ers. as casey, deti and others have posted before, the right woman is seriously considering what she has to offer you.“i think that absolutely there are women in their 30s who believe in love and marriage. remember, she is the one who wasted her 20’s not the “nice guy”. the cases where women cant conceive it is simply changed to “dont want kids” to avoid embarrassment & save face (this is exactly what we did- i went along with it for her sake).“a woman’s greatest gift to the family and the one she was made by god for is emotional cheer for her family. find this to be the case where i live in new york. it’s true she dated and bedded some guys, short term but they weren’t her type, so she moved on – i’d have done likewise. i have also been reading your other comments and see that your first wife and you came together having been in ljbf (friend) territory for a long while. wish her the best of luck finding a dude given “her situation”. so, my belief is that most people want to weed others out based on age, but don’t want to be judged for their own age. in the end all i have is her word she is telling the truth. i would rather sit home and google random shit then go on a date with a guy who aggressively picked me up at bar.’m 40 and i’m hit on by men in their 20s and 30s all the time. the one who will not take the fruit from eve, but will subject her to god when she tempts him or sins against herself, because the new adam loves god more than eve, and because he loves (is committed to) eve unto death. guys, people will criticize if he constantly works out and tries really hard to be attractive in other superficial ways. however johnny might be on something here – i know very few couples where both spouses are lawyers.@cane “what michael and michael singer are alluding to (well, i’m interpreting it as allusion, because otherwise i think they’re just wrong) is that it is generally not a good idea to marry a woman who is severely damaged, and they are right that the more partners a woman has the more damaged she will become”. this does not leave a whole lot of time for a significant other. a 30+ woman is saving herself for marriage, is that even seen as a virtue anymore?. in response to the “carousel rider,” comment i actually know of single women in their 30s who are actually still virgins. as many gender higher learning specific traits are passed by those who have far more experience than a neophyte. cannot put a ghetto hood rat black woman in the same category as an upper class highly educated blavk woman. can you explain to me how the sins are identical to one another, other than their being sins?@ opus “shame on you dalrock for failing to point out that any woman, no matter her age, her promiscuity, her ltrs and broken marriages, her bastard children, her tats, her stds, and drink and drug habits cannot also find love! is your brother able to guide you in the absence of a father or husband? i for one have never even tried viagra or other ed enhancers, and with a vibrant, caring woman i’m as viral as i ever was. do not consider myself to be an alpha or beta, i can take and handle the reins when need be, and let others lead as well. maybe she should be willing to widen her attraction filters to consider younger men, less physically attractive men, men who earn less money than she’s accustomed to, men who live lives quite different from what she is accustomed to.  maybe because we aren’t actually judging another woman’s body as a possible candidate as a sex partner? however, given what we know of big pharma’s habit of synthesizing narcotic combinations that yield benefits early in their life cycle, only to reveal themselves as often lethal toxins in a few short years, i’d be very hesitant to unconditionally recommend such a “miracle drug” (if you live here in the u. either way, men have been apologising for things they didn’t do for the past 50+ years, they got shafted for it of course so many are done with the bs.“to all of you with age issues, we may look like your fathers, “. in victorian england the woman’s role was seen to be “the angel of the family. sorry, but i feel much better in a relationship knowing that a man cherishes me, and i know i am not likely too get that from a significantly younger man., well no, it’s about being a more feminine woman, a woman who is authentic. she either was told not to trust; she put misplaced trust in a dad or stepdad; or her properly placed trust was destroyed. i give of my free time to others- church and other organizations as well as my money. it’s all dalrock’s fault because as dazzel explains the article makes women [well some, mainly slags] feel inferior and although dazzel being the tougher-than-old-boots person she is this cannot hurt her, is nevertheless afeared that some other woman might be upset and take dalrock’s cruel advice to heart. the comments critique women’s immoral down to the last detail, but even if a woman comes along saying “i read this and i understand more than ever now that i’ve screwed up, can i make up for my past somehow given your insight into the problem”…she gets told off and wrung out for her tears. she needs to be one of “the younger women” for a guy, who thus will be nontrivially older than her. for me the issue is:“what is a 30+ yo woman willing to do to find a suitable marriage partner? men the clock is on your side and if you’re not finding reasonable options in america, there’s always overseas. when it is those things, a man proceeds knowing what he’s in for if he puts a ring on that woman’s hand. all i wanted was the physically attractive one, i would have grabbed the one whose daddy was willing to pay me to take her off his hands. all of these women were very attractive for their age but in the long run is where the problem comes in for most people.) that requires a massive amount of fiscal discipline and deferment of instant gratification on her part (something that women generally do not have/do because there aren’t moral agents) but it shows a man who is also marriage minded that she is in the right mindset for marriage.“what exactly do you believe would cause a virginal woman to become “highly dysfuntional & damaged good? also indicates that she and her boyfriend used to fight a lot, yet in the next breath says that he was reluctant to talk about marriage (like most guys) etc. her brothers refused to force her to marry the man who raped her, and killed the entire city of men where that rapist ruled. and now that she has an infant she’s had to scale even further back on her small pool of clientele., no idiot here and i don’t think of a man as a “provider. and therefore if people are married, each instance of them having sex with someone to whom they are not married is also immoral as extra-marital sex.. it would have never been the guy i would have ended up with if i was 20 ( i mean come on, you can’t even order a wine when you are that old) 23, just graduating and figuring out what city i wanted to line in what job offer ( even though it would be temporary ) to choose, let alone a life mate who not only i would be happy with for the rest of my life ( i never wanted to get a divorce, no problem against it) , but who would also be happy with me and the younge woman i was about to become. traveled to many countries, i can say that being black is a negative mostly in america but no where else. it’s what modern western women are immersed in and it has the effect of even further inhibiting what little critical thought capacity exists., allow me to point out these are the truly “stupid” females (their behavior has consequences – they marry the wrong guy hoping to change him ( he will hate her for it).-just because there is a slight improvement in ivf does in regards to fertility. if you are not of that sex, you certainly give a more than passable impersonation thereof – with your call for non-judgement whilst indulging in the very opposite. my opinion she turned me down because she wants to make it work with a guy who is clearly a cad alpha male – well beyond her looks wise, enjoying all the pirates booty the lifestyle with hundreds of girls arm in arm and dozens of places. this is why women tend to date men 5 years or so older, rather than 16 years older. normally happens when an alpha male becames a beta male or an omega male, then woman tends to complain that his is not the man he was in the past, then begins to pursue new alpha males. real humility in a woman is on god first, not on her looks or honestly accepting where she is physically. in fact, over the last 15 or so years there has been a whopping 50 percent increase in first births to women over 40 years old.  and to this day i am still amazed that women think it’s perfectly ok to tell other woman that they are full of it for wanting an older man.” a woman (and many men for that matter) may lose some of the physical/sexual attractiveness as they had in their youth, but that does not mean they will sudenly turn hideous when they get older. one standard of man to be used by when she is young, another standard of man to use when she is about to dry up. a real woman who wants intimacy will be looking for (and more serious in) a man (or, f*ck, another woman if she swings that way) if she’s not spending her love, care and attention on a veritable zoo. i think i can see why you and many of the men who comment on here are frustrated. at 35 a woman’s risk of any clinically significant chromosome abnormalities is about 1 in 200. h probably wasn’t fully conscience of the reality that you presented him with, but we’re made in god’s image so there’s always a bothersome niggling in our brains when things aren’t quite right. to answer your question regarding “my question regarding how it would be possible for women to stop having children after just 1 or 2 is “far too broad brushed”, involves spousal decision as well as many other variables. i rank above her parents, her family of origin, even above our children. can argue all day about the definition of marriage in the eyes of the church and i couldn’t care less, as i am not here to debate religion. the hysteria will come from women seeing this story and thinking there is still hope for them doing what they know . if a 30+ woman is saving herself for marriage, is that even seen as a virtue anymore? i mean, how would a married couple be affected by divorce laws if their marriage is solid and they remain together?‘ never dated a woman who was one’ on the first sentence.  i know that, and i think it’s despicable behavior in either gender. i don’t remember the last time i heard a 20-30 year old woman go crazy of clooney. when you meet a woman and she can look you in the eye and say that she has never had the urge to produce a child, how can you deny that her feelings are real? except perhaps budget a little more time closer to the end of her sexual market value plunge around 30. older and younger alike are all completely saturated in pop-culture whether we want it or not. if a women decides to remain “childless” and marries in her early to mid 30’s or so. funny if she was 4 years or more younger  you wouldn’t have said “younger woman” . shoe is on the other foot now now they are the one’s worth having. and if there was fake uterus and a real woman i would choose the fake uterus for children and use the woman for booty calls (sex on my terms)”.!Now, i’m no paymaster or sugar-daddy by the long shot, but there are those events you share with the fellas, and there are those events you would like to share with a women. substitute mother things is the most hilarious part of your response and just further proof that you really do know absolutely nothing about me, my wife or our relationship. i may be female without the capacity to comprehend, or whatever (so as long as you’re not insulting me, because i haven’t insulted you or anyone here). mark: “to put it another way, could you make him want to surrender his freedom, his peace, his quiet, and ability to do what he wants, when he wants, how he wants? ok, maybe 20 is too young of a comparison because that age is too young for a lot of men in their 30s to seriously consider dating. so when it happens for her – the man, the circumstances, the chemistry, the time, are all exactly right and her attraction/arousal triggers are all pulled – she is completely overwhelmed. there is nothing i could say or do that can change that., but she’ll have to do better than “i’m not grossly fat and i have a functioning vagina”, particularly when she has the negatives of:–age 33 and either past the wall or about to hit it any day now. somebody showed me where the key was, and i just keep using it because it keeps working. i will try not being around him and see if it bothers him. i used to think that i’m different than other women because i wasn’t physically attracted to older men (unless they’re viggo mortensen who is 50 but unfortunately they’re not). it’s not just me, but other guys here too.) and either one can end it for any reason (or no reason.‘not all guys want a size 2 woman” that is true. it’s rather than christianity holds that all sex outside of marriage is morally illicit and sinful. especially for those women in their 30s and up, these rules should be very strict because again, they got to play the field in their 20s. wouldn’t you want to marry someone that could help coach her?: (forgot to add not before believe in previous post) “just because a woman holds feminist views, does not mean she does not believe in self-respect. no one ever warned against dating single mums or divorcees, or sluts, (including those who were known to abort unwanted children); one was not told to cease dating any woman who showed passive-aggresive tendencies or who was otherwise personally manipulative; nor was one advised to avoid boyfriend or friend-zone status; and finally one was never given any advice given about marrying people from different cultures or classes, or to avoid marrying women who were older than one or who were noticably less well educated., and don’t bother pointing out to me that women lie to men. you’re the same dude that’s posted here for years, i expect? the other major reason is the option outside a prenuptial agreement, again when things are not 50-50. got a lovely brown haired girl with amazing tits who treats my like gold to take on her 1st motorcycle ride. it seems men and women are looking at dates as if they were part of a contract of need and are not looking at each other and are just interested in taking rather than giving…. wife betrayed her vows, betrayed you, and betrayed the gospel for the sake of her own short-term happiness. you even have the audacity to discount my own personal decision in the matter by referring to me as cfbfu and insisting there has to be some skeletons from my past influencing the decision and that i really did arrive at this point on my own terms. i’m not sure where you plan on finding this in addition to youth and beauty outside of insular ultra conservative religious communities. i am not too picky, but i am not dating desperately like i did in the past either. a man who wants deference from his partner is going to be a problem for his woman in the long run. one (and especially both) do not believe in intimacy before marriage, then what else can they do other than marry, in order to make it legit religiously, morally, and legally? i thought that it made the guy hard, but it was explained to me that it did not, it just allowed him to function normally if he was aroused by the woman. case in point, i offered advise to the anonymous woman on how to do what she wants to do. they are out there – i have met a couple and it is really a “g_d/ jesus” first thing (imo. for many, sandals are a great way to feel comfortable in warmer weather when the occasion does not call for something formal. however, a lot of the women i know struggle with insecurity for other reasons. take a walk through walmart and you will see no shortage of nasty looking men in their 20s and 30s, and in my experience, they tend to have more problems with hygiene than guys my age and older. conversation here is excellent, so i was wondering: why is it that females engage in behaviour likely to wreck their chances of marriage? his kids may live with their mother, and so you may not really have to spend much time with them, but do honestly and sincerely be nice with them if he has them. you really are a man and this bothers you then allow me to suggest getting some testicular fortitude and intellectual honesty since you have clearly stated you have none.  i never sat down and looked her in the eye and said, “i’m not marrying anyone unless we agree to have children..” i have seen men in their 30′s look at woman in their 50′s who have that look, give off that energy, and i can tell that for a second, he was in awe by her. can’t speak for the other men on this site (chime in guys), but i know i don’t want to marry a woman who is an undue risk to me. she can not go back and change the mistakes she made in her 20’s. perhaps they’ve been in previous relationship(s) and realized a relationship is not for them and they would rather just go at it alone. we were in our mid 20s he once remarked that women our age were not mature enough to marry and have kids with. me a minor edit:And then of course there were the women, who were just overlooked or never really approached for a relationship by the bad boy, alpha, with the heart of gold and the “three 6s”; in spite of being attactive and having a lot going for them.  by all means, if a man or woman want to date someone who is younger or older, go for it. for proof of something is not necessarily a rejection of those claims, so like i have told others here before you, please do not put words in my mouth. of all ages, this survey finds, acknowledge that there has been a distinct weakening of the link between marriage and parenthood. at 52 years old, i’ve never felt that way with any man i’ve dated… i believe that it’s just a matter of time before all of you beautiful women on here find someone special. a single person i know ( including my 22 year old brother) hesitate if not, as a rule they won’t go further if they find out the other is either a virgin ( well then it stops dead in its tracks) or has only slept with a few people. the age of a woman is real important to you then you would be better off thinking in international terms… (women from latin america, europe, middle east, south america, and asia)., clearly age matters to you because you choose to be with a woman almost a decade younger than you. i found it interesting you would offer this piece of advice as most people on internet forums and in real life tend to suggest that women in their 30’s should consider men who are 10+ yrs older than them, as most the 30+ women’s peers are either already taken or are looking for women in their 20’s if they’re still single. therefore if people are not married and having sex, it is immoral — each act is immoral, and it isn’t rolled into one act because it’s in the context of a relationship. most portuguese man (i’m from portugal) call that woman “lazy” and “self-serving” and say that they don’t want a woman like that…believe me! there is no wife, only a legal gun to his head. and why in god’s name would a man trust his child(ren) with her? do think i suggested for for her to gather some testicular fortitude and pony up with a of her and her ltr now become husband ? possibly divorces her husband, uses the child as a hostage and takes his livelihood. there’s nothing a man can do about his height, but any man can work his way up the attraction scale by making money. of my biggest beefs with the ‘sphere is they point out a real problem and then proceed to shoot themselves in the foot with silly comments like these. i won’t presume to speak for elspeth here, but i do not believe that she intended the term “basket case” as an insult. on the 29th – absolutely on target – so i ‘d like to add: one of the reasons men are happy to boast or at least give a certain impression of their success with women, is because for all but a few, it is very rare and yet men often judge each other by their success with women (hence films with titles like ‘the 40 year old virgin”) – because as they know it is very hard work and a sexually successful guy is formidable and the envy of his peers – he instantly will attain alpha status.“and then of course there were the women, who were just overlooked or never really approached for a relationship; in spite of being attractive and having a lot going for them. there is no “wife” because by law she doesn’t have to be one. such a girl grows up learning that the only important things are those which affect her. he would never answer her back even if she was in the wrong; and his clothing was always immaculate, shoes highly polished too – he was the perfect man!.I’m about to became a pharmacist( the best profession for a woman in the usa in 2012), i finished one very difficult degree that could make me gain a good money if i choose to dedicate to it.. ” you never re marry your first husband” and we respect each other, and have seen each other threw so much, we just weren’t mean to spend out lives with each other. if your other qualities create attraction signals in a man, your honesty, however painful it might be for both of you in the short term, will be infinitely beneficial in helping both of you to assess the feasibility of a successful life-long relationship. dude didn’t come here to discuss his lifestyle he came here to talk shit about us. but if my only choice was between a serial adulterer and a divorced woman… the latter is the better choice morally. other words, you display the usual feminist arrogance on the issue of choices: you’re all in favor of “choice”, so long as the right “choice” is made. my first post here was almost a couple months ago. he is out there, waiting to make you his princess. is old hat around here, and if you are engaged in it……. “boyfriend” cad alpha male with hundreds of photos of him and other girls at parties on rented boats at clubs in vegas full on student loan credit card fueled lifestyle (unless he comes from money who knows) . (i ended my guest post here with essentially the same argument. she is getting crows feet; yellowing teeth; wrinkling at the eyes, the lips and décolletage; and gray hair, in her late 20s or early 30s. i’ve never really been convinced by the argument of many in the manosphere that a woman not having all (or even just some) of these things you’ve mentioned does not affect her marriageability. most women are not, unless they have learned rules and consequences from a strong father. at the very least, this young woman won’t be stumbling here, asking “what to do” because she is single, losing her looks and cannot find the mate “she wants”. might dismiss this as a nawalt or rather a nafalt argument, but many feminists in fact hold marriage, family and children in very high esteem, but unfortunately they’re sometimes viewed as selfish simply because in addition to being mothers and wives, they also wish to use their natural talents, intelligence, and skills towards professional and academic pursuits. are you behaving like a demented crazy cat woman, & commenting on a thread about single women want to marry in their 30’s? “old fashion” days women have this image of feminine virtue chase because before the laws of misandry and men had real constitutional rights that were recognized that was how a woman took care of herself. is very obvious that i have different ideals than everyone else here and don’t fit in here at all. in the most passive way she says that she found herself dating a younger man who she says literally turned up on her doorstep, as if she had no choice in the matter (he may be hot but she should not confuse that as people always do in those circumstances with his having similar interests – women always find that they have similar interests to attractive men). if you had a girl in her 20s (general tip: there is no apostrophe in 20s, etc. rather than cheer for your girl discuss the day to day mechanics you lived by to remain child free and finding the same type of women. otherwise he’s likely to think your 1st option fell threw and he’s your plan b. her word is accepted as gospel and his is put in a trash can. young women believe they can do better than their male peers, and men in their 30s know they can do better than their female peers. being a single, in your 30s, and still alive, you have sufficiently demonstrated your ability at the mechanics of modern life.’ve said it before in other threads,but unless we actually see what these people(in every thread ie: adam,evan’s clients he talks about etc…)look like,ages,other stats etc… and/or read their profiles we basically are talking abstracts and have no real frame of reference. perhaps, it is a damn good idea not to push that event off into your late 30s early 40s. neither of us could speak the other’s language upon first meeting, though. she meets mr right who sounds to me just slightly self-absorbed and frankly using pillish(no wonder he seems so perfect) but this latest relationship is beginning to look like the relationship with mr omega – just going on and on, neither wanting children. this changed her and changed the course of our marriage right from the start. in other words there is data to back this up for all the naysayers out there. of course, there are a few diamonds in the rough, but a woman in her 30s should focus on surer bets like work (as long as it’s not same dept), meetup groups, friends, community activities, etc. here’s what they see:— one of the men she hangs with all the time is her husband or bf. cheese is there, and it’s helplessness/fear that stops them from taking it.. did you see how much jls wrote about her superalpha, and the way she wrote about him, waxing eloquent and rhapsodic?  johnny, when i was growing up there were women who were having children in their 50’s.  when i online dated in my late 20s early 30s the thought of dating a man over 40 was creep city to me no way i would have done it! because of her parents’ divorce, though, and her, well, let’s just say, colorful past sexual history, she is so screwed up that her decision to remain childless is probably a blessing for all involved. i’ve gently brought up the subject here and there, and he seems sensitive to understanding the age issue for women (he wants kids for sure and is against having them with a woman over 35), he’s been encouraging about the relationship and consistently invests a lot emotionally (we attend church together etc. some researchers are recommending men freeze their sperm if they haven’t had children by age 35. as they both age, her physical attractiveness will decline much faster than his will. the breeding preferences of a woman past menopause is immaterial: nature has made the decision for her, and the answer is a resounding, “no! many of us have better platonic relationships with other men than women much less our hobbies and other interests. if a woman doesn’t have children in this day and age it is entirely because she doesn’t want them enough to have them – at least for the moment. i have been there on the brink of setting my peronsal best many times (as a young man) only to feel like someone kicked me in the groin in the last turn, you gut it out.  they also tend to expect a woman to be in great shape, attractive, etc. there’s always going to someone who disagrees with you and your lifestyle, and insists it’s this and that, even when you’re living proof of the contrary.” if anything, it’s seems more like the other way around. will marry any woman who we together love and trust each other. unless the woman repents of her pride and selfishness (which i feel is at the root of women’s problems with men) than any subsequent meetings (whether romantic or otherwise) with men will be compromised. not that i think there is any hope for that at this point. so while she may have less eggs, the medical community has discovered that young women and older women both have about 15 genetic mutations to their eggs either way.“i’m truly sorry to say this, i’m not intending to be mean, but if a particular woman is not being approached for relationships, one of two things must be true:(a) she is just not as attractive as she thinks she is…or…. have to ask you, based on your description of your client’s receptionist: why the hell would you want this woman? i don’t personally know any married couples where the man hadn’t waited, but the woman had. point was not my trying to state that i know what every other man wants in a woman. i’m not sure what your information about birth control pills, abortion rates or babies being born out of wedlock have to do with anything being discussed here. so a lot of men will have to either settle or be alone. it’s a shame that i was forced into attack mode by a certain few members here and couldn’t have a real discussion. evan stated many times and as commenters have pointed out, maybe people with bad relationship histories should reflect on how they got there rather than blaming their poor choices on men/women of certain ages. in review of the data, findings, and credibility this is very good in the regards they are simply showing the data, controls, and outcomes in a inductive manner of reasoning (ie the data speaks for itself) rather than your scientist opinion (as side not – unless they are incredibly noted/published/lauded – their opinion is debatable & worthless since it is mere speculation). a professional woman in her mid-30’s i’d like to add that a lot of us don’t want children. you can yuck it up about how they came back around against a veritable biological time clock, great… maybe they have a cat and a shitty job and a shitty life, but they are doing just as well as most guys out there. man in his 30’s at the height of his smv is not going to settle down with a woman who does not want children (even if he also does not want children) if she brings no other attributes to the table. maybe if you work on your attitude, you will be able to find a nice woman in america. so she gathers data from discredited studies, asks misleading questions, and then draws her so-called conclusions.) and finally met and married a younger guy at 30 (him being 25), who had a crush on her already when he was 20. stay off the online dating sites, theirs nothing there but liars and snobby woman who are not confident enough for the most part to get a man on their own in the real world. other misplaced assumptions you would like me to respond to? i will not entertain a woman who cant take care of herself. what other men choose to do is on them, but i have seen to much to fall for the pro marriage propaganda team woman likes to spit.“i’ll have to read and reflect though on whether the two scenarios are identical.“if those pursuits not done for the benefit of others they are selfish. that is, if the men posters here even respond to you. i’m not saying that a young woman should exclusively put all her time and efforts into education/career and neglect marriage, i’m just saying that i don’t see why it’s necessary to forgo education all together. leads me to the other factor that i think many 30-something professional women would admit if they are genuinely honest: we don’t like failing. guess what i am a 34 year old black woman from the caribbean never had children looking for a man in that age group that doesn’t have children but it seems an exercise in futility. i wonder if she thinks that the beta’s are not worth it or if the alpha’s are the best she can do since she has the alpha taste in her system. if you wanted her to leave you alone you should have just drooled all over her. sin often has a gradient in our impact on us and others, but it is all horrendous in the site of god. needs to be gauged is this: how big is the difference between the men that are approaching you now and the men that used to approach you when you were at your peak, say, in your early to mid-20’s?’m sorry, i meant to say, my cusins babies mother is 13-15 years younger than my cusin. as far as being date material, being a single mother has got to be the biggest flag. another note, given the endless descriptions of the systemic failure of contemporary marriage to meet the needs of the male primarily predicated on the shortcomings of the contemporary female and that which she values, would it not stand to reason that the beta male has dodged a bullet? couple eloped because their parents thought the marriage between a wealthy man and a working-class woman would never last. so it behooves men to vet the friends in terms of the types of women they are, the lives they lead, and what their values are, as a critical part of evaluating any woman’s suitability for marriage. to the men acting like all a woman is good for is bearing children, you are ignorant and i find you repugnant. this is the root of the “rape culture” falsehood — since victims are everywhere, feminists apparently presume perps are equally ubiqutious, and from this logical error they almost can’t help but conclude that “all men” must be complicit in some way (uh, no), and that “men can stop rape” if we really want to (alas, no.’s, and there are only 30 women, then men’s actual score and actual value on the dating market is downgraded because he can’t just choose a 7. pretty much everything else was negotiable to one extent or the other. in my opinion, what makes men more likely to marry is:2) living in a community where the sex ratio is not skewed in their favor. she took good care of us and my dad and i learned a lot from her.@ eva: you agreed to living with a man you had no intention of having sex with is where you went wrong. i’d also like to add that the desire for some women to remain single, is not just because they wish to sleep with as many ” hot alpha males” as possible, but because some women get to a point where they lose all interest in sex and most men simply would not tolerate being in a relationship where it’s limited or even non existent. have been told by every single one of my date’s mother that i am superb marriage material… it’s a pity that their daughters never agreed with that…. so a woman, when assessing her own mmv, has to take into account that the relevant aspect of her attractiveness for purposes of her mmv is not the highest smv man she can attract for sex, but rather the highest mmv man who is in her same general smv “banding”. as long as people are honest with each other we can all make informed decisions… and then live with the consequences. the likely results will be one or more of largely or completely shutting down the sexual relationship with the husband, her having one or more affairs (possibly openly), cuckolding him, and divorcing him without traditional (or, real) grounds. he was ugly, gross, unshaven, unambitious, didn’t want anything for his life, didn’t want anything for our life together. i can’t help but observe that the view of women and marriage put forward here — that women owe men some sort of deference for deigning to put up with them seems rather bleak and joyless for all concerned. rather, i should set a goal for a guy who is lean, generally takes care of himself-but will split creme brulee with me and not care about a having a tiny belly pouch. agree it’s important to talk about needs and wants, but if you’re referring to sexual needs and wants, then i don’t think it would be appropriate to speak of that when me and a potential mate are first getting to know one another.@cf “it is thought that the higher divorce rate in 2nd marriages is due to people staying together “for the sake of the children” in their first marriage”. go completely off topic, perspective probably existed before the early renaissance, as the issue of iconography (whether holy things could be depicted in three dimensions or only in two, or not at all) was one of the topics of debate between rome and constantinople in the early days of christianity. i’m going to a social function so i’ll try to look nice as there are quite a few single dads that attend. rather than resenting the other’s different dream or opinions we should help the other achieve their dreams. know a friend of mine who married a south american woman. i realize now it is good we did not stay together. none of her misbehavior mattered to the judge and he threw it into no fault with a quickness. i have my own money (there never was another choice but to work and pay my own bills). what’s important to me, and i imagine most men, when it comes to whether a woman has or has had a job, is whether she has the ability to appreciate the work that their husbands are doing. i’ve refused to date a woman further after one or two dates; mostly because i could tell she was not interested. in some countries, such as england, germany, the netherlands and the united states, the proportions are substantial, with approximately one in five women in their late 40s remaining childless. if my daughter was 30,and  some dude my age was trying to put the moves on her, well i guess i am just different, i would not care what my daughter thought about the older man, cause i’m kicking his ass. invite you to read some of my other posts on this site as they will fill in some details so you don’t have to make assumptions. i’d say that beyond youth, beauty and being slim (or the lacks thereof) the main deal killers for men would be promiscuity, stds, abortions, tats (cured or incurable) and one or more marriages/ltrs (cohabiting or otherwise). how in the heck does she explain 8 years of promiscuous lifestyle to parents, friends, and not to her future spose ? then consequently i have seen that alpha female giving up the alpha male in disgust and then trying (successfully because she is still hot and can play the game pretty good too) for another alpha male in a committed relationship. the 30 yr old woman either (a) has a strong sex drive, or (b) she does not. i don’t mean to sound overly negative, but a married couple might also not want kids because they don’t want to bring them into a world where they’ll be exposed to so much and even when the parents put their all into raising them right, protecting them and keeping them safe,happy, and healthy it may still not be enough. you are not too busy, you’re in the right places, and you’re neither picky nor bitchy, and men still don’t seem interested in you, then you are not presenting yourself physically in the best way you could. god knows i wouldn’t hire a man with visible tattoos for anything that involved either client contact or required a specific college degree. things like that, that if the guy did it might make a woman have doubts, because she feels that he is too eager to please.“yeah, problem is that i’m sick of the fembots feeling an obligatory right to mark “their” territory by befouling every branch and rivulet of every public conversation and riding pc herd marking their territory wherever they go. you and ton and others might be absolutely baffled that i would want to march towards machineguns, but the answers is that i love my wife, and i’ve committed to protecting her; even taking the penalties that are rightfully hers onto myself. i’m not full of myself and never said i’m the “prize,” but neither am i or will be a “burden. dalrock wrote this post because there are numerous 30 + year old so called christian women complaining about not being able to find a ‘real christian’ man to marry. as her 40th birthday barrels towards her like a truck on the wrong side of the highway she will lament that there are no “good men” left. so hypothetically, say man interested in marriage meets woman interested in marriage who he considers marriageable (she’s agreeable, a great cook, family oriented, a virgin, etc. the men are, whether they intend to or not; whether you intend for them to do so or not. the women that you cater too here are from what i can tell generally wealthy and successful which means they have a good chance at being able to afford it. most of the higher brain functions develop in this extended infancy and childhood. the castle bishop walks in: “what’s going on here! the girls there would marry a homeless american man over a ukranian man, truth. the goal here is to complete your mission, not endlessly ponder what might have been. it reminds me of how my parents told me that because i am black and a woman, my dreams of becoming a fiction writer had zero chance of becoming true, and that i had better play it safe and get a career, specifically in the medical field. you think you are going to help this cause by lambasting a woman that entered into a monogamous relationship and stayed there for eight years only to have her guy not want to go through with it? just look put-together, and make an effort to look good, every day. by the way is it that – given the almost infinite size of the internet – one tiny blog in a far-flung corner thereof, and in particular one thread with any numbers of disparate commentators should drive people (women) into a state of apoplexy just because of something someone wrote weeks and months ago. go, sleep with my slave; perhaps i can build a family through her.

What I've Learned Returning to the Dating Pool in My 30s

Dating a woman in her 30s

your point, you come in here bragging about bagging a tramp stamped 37 yr old, & poorly veiled justification for sinking so low lol. whereas women still in their 30s wanna go out, do stuff, etc are even financially independent to continue to do so without tying herself down to be a child-bearing machine. go out there and be sexy and get you that dick like you need to. time one of these women do this feel like it’s like i’m getting the treatment she gave alpha males in her 20’s. regard to her doing all or nearly all the light to medium duty housework – well, if i am going to be expected to earn six figures so as to keep her in her 2500 sq foot house, i am not going to do laundry or dishes when i get home from working 12 hours a day in the world where i have to fight and slay dragons.“older women are less effected by the economy due to their higher degree of financial stability in later years”. there should be more sites/blogs that discuss this topic (that are not linked to magazines.. marriageable men who have checked out are filling their time in other ways. a “woman” mentions “she” does not want children she is either lying (which includes unconscious / conscious and omission) or unable. one of these is heaven, ‘the kingdom of god’, the other is the world as it is. that’s why he can’t settle for the woman of poor character who could be reined in by society and controlled; or penalized and ostracized by society if she couldn’t.’ve talked in passing with a couple of women in their mid 40s, both of whom i used to know from college. you are honestly saying that mothers and wives “wish to use their natural talents, intelligence, and skills towards professional and academic pursuits” in order to help her family in case of financial difficulties, spousal illness and so forth? women belittle and bemoan that there are “no real men around” yet their own expectations are never called into question. as your posts state, it is clear that there will never be a shortage of back up options down the road… and even if she happens to age beyond her ability to settle down with a “prime beta male” that really is not an affront to the beta male, because he is not on a clock and will only become wiser and wealthier with age and “settle up. i`ve realized that sometimes it`s just better to bow out of discussions when it`s clear that you (i mean the universal you) and the other person are just not ever going to see eye to eye. also, i would fear the treatment she would receive from other women.“a feminine/chaste woman can be spotted very quickly and her chastity initially gauged by a very brief interaction. life gets rather boring very quickly with just two people. but the truth is, annette, i couldn’t have a fmily in my late 20s or even 30s as i was still a struggling business owner and barely took care of myself. think you made a lot of great statements; however, there is something that i just can’t get my head around with this chain… it seems like it started out with everyone talking about how the laws, customs, norms, etc.- “for me personally you would have to be paying me way more than 200,000 a year to live there. i had a dollar for every woman who put “my children are my life” in their profile i’d be richer than bill gates…. more precisely, the society that ended in the middle of the 20th century. men don’t want to be vulnerable with a woman who could up and leave them at any time. i seem to recall that there were over thirty such women even then. a woman says “i dont want kids” – it means one of two things:– she is physically unable to conceive and rather than admit the physical defect and “save face” she will say “i dont want kids”.– if a 28+ year old woman that is “all that with whipped cream and a cherry on top” is wondering why i am not a “trophy” wife and looking to get married. she’s a victim of circumstance, and her ex somehow escaped the filter of her intuition. in a culture where you have been taught to look upon all strangers, and especially all strange men with suspicion, you probably have no idea how to actually signal attraction to a man. if a woman gets pregnant and chooses to abort, is that not her exercising her choice to remain childfree? he is not mentioned in a single publicist article anywhere. again, either you have no clue as to how ridiculous you sound, or you are just engaging in self-parody. like an argument not to get married, rather than an argument that second marriages aren’t any less crap than first ones….” without a “strong masculine men to dominate her & balance her? ludwig, himself also had major problems for not only was he rather short but was also incredibly deaf which is hardly part of the preferred job description for a composer. i don’t disagree with that, but if a woman plans on doing this, she really needs to put forth some effort when she is in her late 20s to find a guy her age who wants to marry her. maybe this may sound wrong to most men reading this post, but i think it is wrong for a 40 plus man to date a woman 10 years younger than him. the rosy views or myths about parenthood thus are the strongest in countries where they are the most likely to be false, and vice versa. doesn’t feel so good to be on the other side of that does it. women need to get over there he must be tall, dark, blue eyes, perfect teeth. some are lucky to have their parents help them out but due to increasing economic difficulties, parental funded education seems to occur more within the wealthy/upper class-not so much with average middle class families.[dalrock – this thread is pushing my lap-top to its limits – windows 7- so perhaps needs either closure or division]. i can show you at least one scientist who says otherwise. while the vast majority of churches are apostate, the situation is a “nice guy” and a ” girl who wasted her 20s “. the end you are spreading lies, silly little lies that help no one but sounds so good to those whose ears are itched by such lies rather than the truth of marriage. she’s run out of time to sit back and let the attractive, high status men vie for her attentions while she selects the best one(s).  the other reason i can think of is that they often cannot get over past relationships and bring them up constantly – either they are not over their bitter divorce or there is a “one that got away” that they can’t get over. on the other hand you could be all the woman that you can be and die with a house full of cats. ‘patriotblogspot’ – you’re no man, no christian, you can’t spell, you’re stupid, you write like any other pretend ‘internet toughguy’, and the smart money says you’re a frustrated juvenile delinquent who doesn’t understand the reason you’re a sack-of-shit is because you do not or can not stop and ‘think’, calmly, rationally and honestly – like a man – and not the foul-mouth two-bit punk, that you are. require a degree of deference from any woman i’m serious about, and i get it.“widowed childless older women had lower psychological well-being than did widowed mothers. she still has some attractiveness, but her hair is dull and overstyled, her teeth are yellowing, her eyes don’t sparkle like they used to, and her skin has taken on a pallor., i know you probably don’t want to hear this, but at age 33, you are either at the very end of or past your peak physical attractiveness. it’s not possible to be in love with a woman after one date. it’s the men’s jobs to man up and marry this catch of a woman. everything she does, everything she has ever done has always been about her. think your missing the main point of consequences (whether good or bad) – everyone single person has these and quite often we pick our on “life instructor”.“you to me are a woman that gives a damn what i told you was sincere and i meant what i posted a pleasant woman as yourself will be fine. i am naturally curious about this topic and am trying to get to the bottom of why there are a lot of people that seem really pissed-off. politely and kindly decline further dates with men whom you know don’t fit..get off the road if it isn’t taking you where you need to go. the question becomes whether she can be attracted, really attracted, to the men who will be willing to offer commitment. the children & family are well behaved, educated, and have the highest morals/chasity i have from denominational western christianity (the secular social studies support the outcomes of lower divorce, higher education /morals/ chasity etc…. know, a lot of relationship advice given to women says this exact thing (you know, changing out “man” for “woman”). unless he and miss right find each other, sparks fly, and it’s a very sure thing that happens quickly, the whole settling down and starting a family thing might be tricky. it doesn’t mean either that you should only have children at the apex of that arch.@ michael “i don’t know how any women who professes to fall in love and have a family could be so foolish and brainwashed to waste a decade of her youth in selfishness and be so astoundingly stupid as to believe she can cash out all her chips at the last moment. there aren’t many hunky handyman secret-millionaires out there, despite what you’ll read in the romance novels. but, as can be seen from the numbers above, having children with a woman over 30 is a 50/50 proposition (the odds of having multiple children with a woman over 30 is the proverbial long-shot bet). (you’re not there to go on a multi-year audition to be his wife; he wants to marry you or he doesn’t. single time i have seen a woman say “i dont want kids” it has been a flat out lie and in “my circle” even went as so far to has hubbies vasectomy reversed and then proceeded with artificial insemination. “do not forsake the gathering together of yourselves as some have the custom,” but instead join with the church, god’s instrument and his people, in the creation of the marriage. i don’t personally know any married couples where the man hadn’t waited, but the woman had. this sums it all up pretty well:“but here’s the thing: if a woman is 30 or above and has never been married and has wanted to get married, something’s wrong, even if she hasn’t been carouseling. they’re there, cuddled up, this still moderately hot woman snuggling with a big, ugly, horsey looking bitch.“‘what he sees in me’ or wonder whether he will leave ‘for a prettier girl’ ”. an opinion from a single mother… i’d caution you strongly not to compromise and have kids with a partner unless you really want them.“if a family were facing financial difficulties and/or the husband loses his job or becomes ill and unable to work, do you not think that he and his family would benefit from his wife being able to work and/or furthering her education? men like you are the reason there is a 50% divorce rate. i have only observed this in women from the middle / far east, european women, and never in american women. in fact if you had any idea how totally predictable you were that would be the first evidence that you grokked anything being said here. although i knew feminism is not a poppular stance, reading your post has taken my understanding of that to another level. while i know that a lot of men only require a woman to be pretty, nice, and respectable to be considered worthy, a lot of women, (even those who do possess these qualities) are still not convinced of their worth and desirability. jenn, there are few things less attractive to men than a woman who acts, talks, and/or looks like a man. it is possible for a man tofather a child at 370, but not ve. her last sex partner was a guy who was so smooth and talkative at the bar. i plan on mmsl, but is there anything (from a guy’s perspective) that would be most helpful in this situation? so i’ve never been able to have a family, despite, in some cases, nearly heroic efforts to do so. why do countless men on this site and elsewhere list regular sex as one of the main reasons to marry? in other words, the odds of having an absolutely normal baby would be about 99. other than actually improving your appearance, what attention to clothing and cosmetics does is signal your willingness to spend some time and money to be attractive to men. your prospective partner is overly obsessing about whether you are a good fit, be very careful. seriously cant be bothered with the great white whale of a 8 or 9, when theres hot young tight chicks, around every corner …. you to me are a woman that gives a damn what i told you was sincere and i meant what i posted a pleasant woman as yourself will be fine. following are not acceptable pets for a woman (or for anyone, for that matter):July 14, 2012 at 12:21 pm. i’ve known women who were regularly approached by good men they considered “beneath” their notice — and yet would turn around and complain that there were “no men. to get rid of that “taste/lifestyle/” out requires a “seachange” that goes against society, media, and current apostate evangelical teaching and will wretch ones heart/soul/mind to the limit and g_d has a natural order (ie consequences) that will test / try / chasten your repentance ( the new covenant / holy spirit will forgives and will removes bad behavior if one can “hang in there” during the process and figure out that actions / words/ behaviors have consequences and one reaps exactly what they sow. the resulting figures shocked naf president vicki saporta, who called to tell me that every year since 2008, a whopping 72 percent of naf clients looking to terminate a pregnancy were already mothers, up at least 10 percent from the years before the economy crashed. let me see if i can help you out here. fathers also increase the risk of autism and shizophrenia in children.. jung’s discusssion of psychotherapy) but no one can be helped without knowing the problem. i’m also not looking to short change some guy out of the life he wants so there’s no need for manipulation. over 40 can include father’s in the 50s, 60s, and 70s as well, so it’s not conclusive that is 40 is two-thirds more likely to have daughter than a 20 year old. a man would not encounter many marriageable women there, but then again, there are not that many marriageable women anywhere (and either way it wouldn’t matter to an mgtow guy). facts, logic, and accountability aren’t prevalent traits in the gynosphere.“the problem is that when a woman gets desperate, which can happen at 21 or 31, it invites mistreatment. one is that i wanted to see if adam had thought about dating a woman his own age. as you said, her choices are going to be divorced men, unattractive men unlucky with women, or alpha pump & dumpers. there are two things that will crank my sex drive way up… one of them is a woman i love very much, and the other is a woman i am very physically attracted to– and whether i like it or not, she has to be fit and young enough to be of reproductive age. my wife says being a wife is extremely hard work, but it has immeasurably enhanced her life. are no dramatic changes in a woman’s appearance from 20 to 30.. someone to be there for you during stressful times, rocky times, and happy times. they do still exist and not just in religions and culures where it is required to abstain from sex until marriage.“but i get you perspective, i see where you are. are some men who are interested…and they are mostly kind and good enough men… but i think i can’t love them in the way a wife should love her husband. spiritually, there is no difference between a husband and wife. i think that’s wise for me to avoid being seen as even more insane than others have already pointed out to me. we observed women rejecting good men over and over (sometimes including ourselves) and then complaining that there were no good men. this simply does not bode well for success (staying together).. someone to be there for you during stressful times, rocky times, and happy times., this isn’t hate speech, i’m trying to help you here…be pleasant, maintain virtue, learn basic manners, stay fit, dress like a girl, lose the foul mouth, tattoos and lack of sobriety and attitude! what i think is really most important, though, is that a (potential) wife adopt the attitude of a helpmate, that might mean cooking, or it could be any dozen other things. there are a whole bunch of things he does not have to do (to drag her along kicking and screaming towards fiscal responsibility) because she is already there in her mind. i was madly in love with her and did not see these as an issue.“cfbc people and motherhood are changing” & the veevers study from the early 70′s is antiquated ‘. she is single now, never married, lives at home with her mum. there is a loss of perspective as you become older, less accommodating, less patient, and more ego-centric. if she doesn’t value the life of a helpless baby growing inside her, what makes a man think she’ll give two shits about his life?, they’ll write and say, “men are intimidated by my intelligence. is one of the first true statements said about me since i got here. we can say that without the slightest fear of contradiction based on the following facts: 1) infertility among pre-menopausal women is relatively rare, 2) the social safety net makes bearing bastards a viable “career choice” for women, and 3) any slag can find somebody willing to shag her. when i have children it will be increadibly important to me ( and always was) to be there when they come horn from school each day.“why the hell wouldn’t a woman use her best years to try to marry a rich good looking guy? reasons dating in your 30s is way better than in your 20s. divine fiat in gen 1:28 was directed to specific people in a specific time for a specific purpose, and there is no indication that it applies to everyone at all times under all circumstances. agree there are women who very self-absorbed and fickle when it comes to love and relationships, but aren’t there men like that too?, maybe they’d need some therapy at the bare minimum, but hopefully that would be all! the emotional stress and blame was detrimental (she blamed me for her endometriosis and inability to conceive). never removed the desire to have children from her – it was quite often a heated topic ending in bitter acceptance (hypersexualization and birth control at a early age has consequences). i’m into fitness, so for me a woman who is fit is a great sign because it tells me a lot about he. you would be a perfect guy for a surrogate to father hood type. i don’t want to set off any anorexia “triggers”, but there are few women in their 30s who would not be more attractive if the lost a few pounds, and gained a little muscle tone, just to firm up their features and curves. also personally like being able to refer to her as my wife as opposed to my girlfriend and like the idea of openly showing a commitment to each other through the ceremony of marriage in the presence of our close friends and family. now, i don’t think it can be laid at dalrock’s door that he ever implied that he was speaking for all men’s taste, nor could the same criticism be levelled at deti’s expanded list of desirable qualities – there may well be some brad pitt look-alike out there who prefers women who are fat old and ugly – though i rather doubt it.“it could be this attitude that drives girls to the carousel, among other things. i’d like to know, but all we ever get is shaming and the revelation that the latest female supremacist, dazzel spends her time at work, not engaged in her employers affairs, but surfing the net for articles about how a thirty year old (perhaps herself) might marry. 1: girl’s live in boyfriend, who she constantly shares a bed with, has sex with her while she’s asleep. the damage incurred to themselves and others is de facto. i ended up with a man who is 39, i guess there are plenty of men and women who are in the same age range who find one another. but, i’m not going to sacrifice my goals just because she was out doing other things when she was younger instead of getting wifed/bred up. what is new is both the increasing numbers of women who eschew motherhood and that increasingly they are able to articulate their rejection in ways not generally available to previous generations of women.?So here i am, about to turn 44 years old, and in my whole life i’ve had sex a total of four times.(i just cannot be endlessly bitter like some are here. by the same token, a cfbc woman might be willing to marry a father who does not have primary custody. what i’m saying is that any school on that list is likely to have a much higher rate of partying than the average school across the nation and using them as examples to prove your point is just confirmation bias.“but unfortunately they’re sometimes viewed as selfish simply because in addition to being mothers and wives, they also wish to use their natural talents, intelligence, and skills towards professional and academic pursuits. g-d will satisfy her desire and she will reap exactly what she has sown. things could drive a man away if he had a very bad past experience or has no clue that about a woman’s emotional reality. if it’s ok for men to sleep around and then settle down with a wife; why can’t a woman sleep around and then settle down with a husband? it’s because of this opposition that i was confused about how some on this forum seem to advise womem over 30 to be open to younger men, (who i believe would be even more resistant to an older woman than a man her age,) and yet tell her she has even less of a chance with a guy her age., there, is the story of the ignored 30 year old who just decides to live on with a whatever will be will be. we were told it was ok to put off having children, that there would time for that later, after our careers were established. do not understand the inherent unfairness of divorce law in this country and none that i’ve spoken to, including family, care to inform themselves.“what do you, as a woman, have to offer me? did the best i could, with the limited knowledge i have, and i can’t punish myself for that, even if you and others like you are so eager to do that. “hi, can you give me children and do you come here often? i cannot think of any animal that has any instinct to do other than (survive) and reproduce and thus i find it hard to grasp that in the last twenty or so years human nature has so radically changed that the desire to reproduce (that is to say to have sex) has changed. do women not realize that having a tattoo makes men assume that they are either slutty or trashy and unworthy of marriage?  my 2 brothers and i were born to a father of older than 37 and a mother older than 39.“if a woman sincerely says she doesnt want kids – guess what ? i see no need to continue this debate because it is going nowhere. i found the existence of a pull toward the perceived freedoms and opportunities associated with the lifestyle of childfree women, as have other authors, what my findings establish that is new is the existence of a more radical rejection or push away from motherhood as a normative female gender marker. women here, love and are having children by men 8-15 years older than they are. its obviously the guys wallet, not him, that the woman wants and divorce laws are designed to deliver that wallet to her. they will always vote for there own selfish interest even overriding the constitution. just because you smile when you’re running her life doesn’t change the fact that you are calling the shots over someone else in her own home.  how much game would you be willing to give up for some other quality. never ask a woman to assess your smv or mmv. my first love (he made the first move) didn’t work due to distance, and quite frankly, i think he was just not that into me (reality check here, my fellow 30+s:). especially when they realize that there are younger women out there more interested in them as a person than any of the ‘lets-get-back-in-touch’-ers. can respect your opinion and you’re entitled to it, but why exactly do you think a woman who doesn’t want kids is a “freak” and a “huge negative? wives, she showed that two-thirds of the childless women in her sample did., i am not literally an anthropologist although there is a legitimate strain of anthropology that allows for criticism of the culture being studied. but they never had any kids, she being of low fertility, probably due to her earlier life style. thank you as well to you and everyone else who has replied (whether directly or indirectly) to my previous posts. the women here are looking to find love with good men who honor, respect and care about women. i just say that not all over 30 single women are as demanding as people continue to continherimply here… some of us are just usually tied up with life’s ups and , in the process,s and are constantly accused of being snobbish. it is because i do indeed care for women that i do not think it appropriate for someone such as myself to consider any form of relationship with a woman but merely attend to the satisfying of their needs. let’s put aside the question of whether or not you ought to feel nice, and move onto the important question of: how is that helpful?@kj: if there’s any shaming involved, it isn’t for your getting older, but for your wasting your best opportunities. he could count on his family, his wife’s family (especially his father and her parents), the law, society, and culture to tamp down her hypergamy. to date a woman over 30,Why men date women over 30,Men dating women over 30,Time recently did an investigative deep dive* into the perplexing question of why anyone would deign to date a haggard old woman over the age of 30. i’ve noticed that with many older mothers with young children. evan i don’t go to soccer matches in europe and may i remind you that there is constant fighting between hooligans from germany and poland that are based on angst from world war ii? they are truly cfbc (like my wife and cf man’s wife), or either infertile or lying to their partners or themselves (which mikeslinger claims is the case for – literally – all but four women in the entire world), is largely immaterial. like he just copy pasted them there passing them off as his clients! eva is not judged by us, she is judged by her actions, which were piss poor and selfish. she might still want to catch up a little on the “fun” “couple” life all her friends got to have – that youthful couple life of vacations, concerts, sporting events that she spent a lifetime of doing single and wants to catch up on some of those milestone moments with a guy in his 30’s who still seems to live that lifestyle before wanting to “settle down. hopeful is truly a marriage minded woman (and for the record, i believe she is) then she needs to attract a man by putting him 1st & children 2nd…. am with tom and then some… i would rather be any single period…american women are too whacked…. how much will all of this interfere with you being a wife and a mother? there are the marriage which have failed but don’t end up in divorce, which seems to be 50% of more of the “successful” marriages. my view, a woman does not need to ratchet up her confidence or her self esteem to be with a high value man. it did look a little cut and pasted, rather than an expression of an actual thought process. although i have a feeling it’s probably closer to the latter, which is usually considered a whole lot when the woman happens to be the older partner. – but why are the rather quiet women single and unknown? think about it this way: if you were ruined by sin, it was at some point before you actually slept with a woman. then through in that if he did that, there might also be some women who are on the fence, not really sure they want kids, but they feel lonely, need someone to love, and like a teenage girl , think popping out a baby is the answer. i don’t consider the tests as a consciously evil decision to usurp his authority, as much as it is part of her nature – just as nurturing is part of her nature. there aren’t enough george clooneys and denzels to go around. it’s multiple instances of fornication, just as if there were multiple partners — fornication isn’t based on whether it is done consistently with one person or with many. any woman who would see that and marry a man without discussing it in depth, and do so early if it is important to her, then she is stupid, and i don’t feel the need to defend stupid. for modern woman are nothing but a commodity, a product, to fill up the emotional love in their lives. outcomes of this wave of cf is yet to be seen – it will take another 25-50 years. in that scenario, i still think it would be best to hold off on saying “i love you” right away, but i don’t think that having feelings for each other or even being in love (just not saying it right away) by the first or second date would be entirely impossible or unrealistic if there’s already some kind of history (even if just platonic) between them. – here is quick run down since you are having a very difficult time connecting the dots. have also been studies linking the age of a woman’s partner to her odds of having pregnancy complications like hypertension and preeclampsia. is a process of bonding two people together to a child, to create the biochemicals neccessary for a long term relationship. she says it’s rape and was robbed of her hope, devastated, etc. am i in favour of the removal of the pivotal role of father through divorce.) however, racking up higher numbers of sex partners is a definite negative for most men, though, again, there are exceptions — a substantial minority that doesn’t care and a smaller minority that fetishizes it. but if one is going fishing, it’s best to do so where the fish are rather than where all the other fishermen are. it would be great if every mother could devote all her time to raising her children, and for those who can, it’s certainly a blessing. fact, if adam really disclose that he wants to start a family, the woman he showed interest in might think that he is not really interested in her as a person, merely a convieniant child bearing machine.) her ability to do so usually correlates with her education and intelligence to some extent. i read things like what mike singer is preaching here and i take it personally because he is essentially saying that cfbc people do not exist as a group. he said that he sees her through decades of love, so she is the most beautiful woman to him. but, i’m not married, so i haven’t attracted a marriageable woman yet… so does it make a difference in the end that i get approached until i do get approached by a marriageable woman?, there are men who report being unable to bond, but they are men with ns of 50, 60, 100 and up. don’t present yourself as this pleasant, fit, exercise loving, careful with money, commitment focused, vow serious, loves kids gal who makes love like there is no tomorrow and then revert back to the exact opposite once you close the deal. most would regard that marriage as a failure and something to be regretted and perhaps lessons learned but that does not seem to be your view as you do not regard marrying her as a bad decision. men making such comments are miserable wretches who just want to spread their malicious feelings to other people. know this reply is kind of late, but yes, the reasons you listed could be why some women are still single in their mid-30s, but for younger insecure women, they may have reasons for that insecurity because of things that occurred in their life which they had no control over of. are to give her the cream of your abundance, while at the same time the cream she offers you has curdled. man he gave dominion and to woman fruitfulness and yhwh has created them in his image to be one. i can say that because (as a woman) you lack moral agency. any man who did this with every woman he found attractive enough to have sex with would never have time for anything else and would have been put in jail long ago. am surprised that lyn 87 who elsewhere is the height of common-sense and learning should be espousing childlessness, and i must say that (the new to me) groups opposed to reproduction seem to me to be rather like the atheist groups – that is to say just as the atheist groups say they don’t believe in god but one suspects that secretly do but prefer to hate him, (why else do they go on about him so much) so the childfree groups one feels are – far from being indifferent to children – antagonistic because children will cramp their style. stats of fertility rate for different age ranges that you keep throwing at me do not consider whether a woman has already given birth, so someone with 10 kids having another at age 45 would add to your statistic even if she started at the age of 21 and continued to bear children into her 40’s. i was raised to be (my mother is quite religious). i don’t personally believe that courtships need to last that long, and that if they do last several years there’s something wrong. from the moral perspective, if you are in a sexually-active non-marital relationshipo, every time you have sex, it’s another sin of fornication.“btw – so are you inferring that that only these 100 schools are the only ones and none of the other schools “party”? and how dare you think you can tell other people what to do with their sex lifes or how many guys they sleep with as if its any of your business because? am not saying it is going to work out for women who chase these rainbows, like most entrepreneurial ventures that captivate the minds of our most ambitious americans, but why the hell wouldn’t a woman use her best years to try to marry a rich good looking guy? of course, his attention reinforces her opinion of her high self-worth and that she can do better than the men who have been serious with her. she is less physically attractive at age 30 than she was in her late teens and early 20s, and that limits the men willing to consider her for marriage. and it would not to any good to tell her because she is gorgeous…. have no intention of being drawn into the matters you have segued onto, nor for that matter of your proselytising on behalf of those seeking to justify their posited victimhood of childlessness, other than to say that i am not in agreement with your views or the slant that you put on them. hope she sticks around, as i find her clowning funny, but i hope none of you brothers are taking her too seriously. also know nothing about my wife and despite her age which so many people here seem to think is approaching old hag territory, there are many guys my age who wouldn’t pass her up., you said “i have no problem dating a younger guy or a guy my age; it is wise to be open-minded otherwise you are limiting yourself. that also means that young woman also have a higher chance of miscarriage than woman at the hight of fertility. fortune, among others, found her data (one small study of 500 women! if a woman says she doesnt want children there is a specific reason why or she is lying. the incident also happened right before i was meant to start at my new college, and i couldn’t keep it together to make it through my classes, so i flunked out. its obviously the guys wallet, not him, that the woman wants and divorce laws are designed to deliver that wallet to her. i don’t hate women either unless they’re mean to me. i can show you at least one scientist who says otherwise. love, in my opinion, includes friendship, companionship, being able to understand and help each other, arguing, making up [and making love; very important hehe! there are many instances where it is common to lie. has it ever occurred to any of you that there is a gigantic media influence at work here, which has wired your brains your entire lives? seems to think there are a lot of great men out there just waiting for her. all i wanted was the physically attractive one, i would have grabbed the one whose daddy was willing to pay me to take her off his hands. add to my comment/reply to greyghost:On an over 30 woman altering herself to make herself attractive for marriage, i don’t see most women being willing or able to change that much so as to make herself marriageable. two people that can stay together, “like” each other, and raise straight healthy kids has got their act together and is truly blessed. the idea that my wife is acting as a substitute mother had me almost rolling on the floor in laughter. understand that, as counter-intuitive as it seems to you now, the intent here is not to shame, ridicule, embarrass, or compound the hurt, but to help.“i also know a few women who absolutely hate the fact that there inboxes constantly fill with guys just trying to get laid. however; everyone is clear that her behavior is not good; so the pollution effect is smaller than the monogamous one. you know, where there is debt out the ass, no money for hobbies, nothing but a rash of shit for wanting to go do your hobby, no gratitude, no respect, crap cooking, messy house, no sex…. are so right i was about to say that there are women outside us and other countries that  the disgusting liberalism and feminism haven’t destroyed people’s natural relationships. i just wanted to put it out there that there is a group of women called the ‘unnoticed/ignored/unloud/kind of introvert women that are single because they cannot measure up with the drama queens that men tend to love. i can only presume it’s because the guy does or says something on the first date that repulses her – like says he’s in love with her. grows up as a bundle of emotions and allows those emotions to govern her life and her decisions, because she doesn’t know any other way. i really wanted to know where most of these responders lived, and wanted to share just a bit of my thoughts based on reading (and skimming) some of the comments here. the last thing the woman needs to do is try to change his mind. about every woman i’ve ever known from a divorced family had some pathology, some deep insecurity; some huge problem that i could see i was going to have to either work through, help her work through, or just live with. phrase it this way: “i’m truly sorry to say this, i’m not intending to be mean, but if a particular woman is not being approached for relationships, one of two things must be true: (a) she is just not as attractive as she thinks she is…or… (b) she is somehow shutting out or screening out a lot of interested men. any woman her that is thirty and single and would ask a question like that, you need to be 30 plus for ever and single for any man that makes a commitment to a woman like that is getting burden and nothing else. good lord do you people live in the middle ages or have the middle age mentality or what! has many directions in there that the husband is to follow. the other fish in the shrinking sea are, by comparison, dead mackerel. all i want is another human being to love and spend my life with, and hopefully have kids. she toasts so much her arm gets sore and she has to file a social services claim. however i have zero luck even though i live in san diego, california where one would think opportunity is everywhere. one, the woman was into tv too, and a little overweight. please said:“i have had men show an interest in dating me but the ones who i can tell would date me seriously with a desire to commit are either quite a lot older than me or men who i am otherwise unattracted to … i am presently dating a man who is 28 … he does not want a traditional marriage type relationship”. i could infer that what he prefers is that it would be a sad fact if his daughter made herself god of her own marriage, but he’d find a way to deal with it if as long as he gets token godhood also, and she doesn’t embarrass him too bad. if a 30s women is also open to age gap relationships, she has the pool of 30-60 yo men at her disposal. there’s a chaste 10 percent of protestant/catholic/jewish/muslim chicks who are in the marriage market, as opposed to the no-strings sex market.) perhaps i’m old school, but i think the man in general should be older than the woman. this young very attractive woman in her late teens got beat up by her boyfriend a few times, and i think it was not deserving, but she was also becoming very narcissistic…but she always said “she fell down”. i’m trying to let you down easy while being halfway honest here. stumbled into this space about 2 weeks ago from instapundit, and since then have been reading and thinking about a lot of what gets said here — much of it is 180 out from my personal experience (thank god! ‘oh so good with children’ everyone says, ‘ how strange/sad that she had none of her own’ and then ‘but her husband had bad sperm ‘[dear god how often have i heard that explanation ] or ‘she never met the right man’ even as everyone knows she was the town bike.. an older woman who is not sexually aggressive and a younger man who wants to start a family and is willing and able to lead. there’s a huge difference in sexuality, in giving and receiving it, not faking it. i will get out the hamsterlator so i can decipher what you’re really saying.“afterall, what self-respecting woman would take all the things that women exceed men at, and proceed to devalue them? there is alot that women do that turn a man off. mentioned there are exception to the rules and general rule of thumbs and baby rabies is standard fare. but if the girl has a strong sex drive, she’s going to do something with it… get nailed by a tattooed drifter on a harley, while her future husband sits at home on friday night, wondering why he can’t get a date… and pornographers get rich. i remember very well my own father doing exactly what you said. here’s my assessment:If this guy is truly everything you say he is, he will have options out the wazoo. they have every right to say “i’ll go this far and no farther with physical contact, unless and until there’s a ring/date/wedding night”.. she has “issues” which prevent her from forging and sustaining healthy relationships. she had an abortion; she’s not very good at making decisions and doesn’t value the lives of others.. when a girl in her 20’s wears it, she either looks older than her age, or slutty, unless she is rocking that 1920’s thing, but even then it looks a little pervy. addition, there is a vast difference between “attraction” and “attractive” = get it ? perhaps the reason why is because if a woman is feminine in the west these days, it means she was raised to reject the current culture, and thus is more likely to live in a chaste manner. would think that would be much more productive than claiming that every woman without a child at a later stage in her life is damaged goods, pretending to not want children to save face., if you read, he was stating clearly that if he were to do that, it would be to get his profile in front of women who “may” be less than truthful…and yeah, we all know every woman is truthful on her profile, right? somewhere around 24-27 most women have decided what they want to make of their life.. i mean, basically, your average large church; there’s probably one within a few miles of your home. hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye. biology did not create a system where older men where the prime sexual partners. i’ve learned to show that i’m a giving person and not just convince myself that i’m so, or that because i’m soft-spoken and rather shy it means i’m submissive, when my actions should show that to be the case. where the book currently has more 1 star ratings than 5 star. i know some woman ( some recently divorced, some never single) and they are looking for actual advice. but the “sexy” woman is ultimately disposable in the man’s eyes; he will toss her aside when he is done with her. it is almost like a lot of people here are gloating when they deliver the harsh dose of reality. comment on the cat was a observation brought up by a woman friend of which my experience mirrored (ie pets are just like their owners). try multiplying that out into the mid five digit zone. above deti gives a list of tells for sluts – things which are generally undesirable in a woman, and i have just recalled another one which i do not recall that he mentions; a very obvious one too, namely tanning. other reasons were that i could tell i wasn’t interested – she didn’t smell or feel or “taste” right. for cf man’s choice to settle for a woman who is undoubtedly beneath him in smv/mmv – guys do that all the time. he only likes what he things a young woman can do for him. the moment, i just want to say that i think that men derive a lot of benefits from a marriage (i mean one that works) beyond sex or fatherhood, and that this receives too little emphasis in some of these discussions. your husband will be your child’s de facto father.  the wife was in her early to mid 30s and the husband was in his mid 20s. whether you are being honest or not i have the same advice for you that i have for others. god gave you a wonderful mind and body try to enjoy it and let others know you enjoy your life and sexual body. the smoker chose to do that to himself, whereas the children of divorced parent’s were born into it and had no say in the matter. from the outside i might appear to dhving to an entire group, but if i have my head on straight that night i am actively trying to help other children of god feel comfortable and loved. heather is probably the ideal woman for the vast majority of middle aged men. i mean on one hand, it’s nice to see that some people are open and tolerant to older woman/younger man relationships, as opposed to the usual judgement, hypocrisy, mockery, disdain, shaming, scorn, me tarzan-you jane/fred flintstone sentiments, etc. girl i am dating now has 1 tat, it’s a memorial to her late brother. said all that, i do believe there are many who do not want children because of selfish reasons.  also, seemed to work in the other way to, his speech would get heavier accented when he was telling me something that he knew i wouldn’t like, yet he could speak clearly to say things most women would like to hear. i highly doubt you’re concerned as to whether or not you’ve offended the “feminist” i’m rather immune at this point and besides, i think i can recognize a veiled, albeit an ineffective attempt of one trying to “put me in my place” when i see it. she was a decent-enough looking woman, and had a charming enough personality, that she probably would’ve been enough to make me happy. come to this board to tell us that all american women are b—-es and that you are trying to turn other men against american women as well because we are so awful, and now you come here and admit that you lie about something as important as wanting children in order to get what you want from women. i learned a long time ago that the goal of a good debate is not to convince your opponent of your views, but to convince others who are looking at the debate from a more objective position.) – but then it was like other dating services – *i* didn’t do any further legwork to look for other matches…)., if a woman in this smp makes it to age 30 as an unmarried or divorced woman it’s for one or more of the following reasons.” (the “wish”), the other is i need to go to work in order to bail out my family (the reality). men can physically and biologically father children right up into their 60s or 70s. there is a recalibration station in san diego – it located off “apathy place” and ” attention cocotte avenue” before you get to “psycho path way”. the woman who just wasn’t able to get the man she was sleeping with to marry her will come here and say things like the women in this thread have said. i’ve had several female bosses, not a single one of them preached feminism, because their confidence and ability carried them a whole lot further than sympathy for some self-imposed plight ever could. so, she learns to evade or manipulate or lie about any “rules” her parents have. i never thought much of dating an older woman, but boy since i hit 30yrs old women seem to make a bigger deal about a guy dating younger women. they just decide ‘ok, this nice girl…let me just smile at her and go ahead with my day’. a woman with those kinds of problems will soon either (1) start ballooning up; or (2) suffer markedly decreased libido.  the other group of men i would consider are men younger than you and/or men who would traditionally have been marriageable in their 20s but essentially dropped out of the dating/marriage market due to lack of interest from women their own age. figure that each one that a woman has that is visible when wearing tank top and shorts = the slut-past equivalent of one gang bang that she doesn’t regret. my experience, if an attractive woman is having trouble generating interest from men, one of the following is generally happening:A. never removed the desire to have children from her – it was quite often a heated topic ending in bitter acceptance (hypersexualization and birth control at a early age has consequences). don’t you wish, in retrospect, that you’d never slept with him, and he had walked away a lot sooner, freeing you up to pursue others? we’ve addressed this before, from an older man who couldn’t possibly fathom why a younger woman wouldn’t want to be with him. only are they not mutually exclusive, one will often mask the other. church seems to be a place many women in thier 30s find themselves going to every or every other sunday in the hopes of meeting a husband.’t most in the manosphere generally advise women to date older men? whether it is in the context of a monogamous fornicating relationship, or a promiscuous fornication relationship, it’s all fornication. there is a huge difference between someone who jokingly saying “i don’t want kids” while faced with a misbehaving child, and the woman who knows deep down that she never has and never will want children. the way i see it, you and others are preaching this shit to make your own poor decision seem noble and godly. (37 years is to long to not be a used) she may have her head on straight for any woman can be loved by a man and the man happy with her. day you’ll realize that christ’s death of soul, pride, and dignity did not start when he was crucified, but when the creator of the universe chose to become a pitiful creation; when him who was and is utterly untouchable put himself, his pride, his dignity, and his soul through daily death by taking on flesh for the sake of others. may have referenced this before, but women (probably a very small percentage) are on birth control for other reasons besides controlling births of children. all that statistic says to me is that there are a lot more unhappy first marriages out there than subsequent marriages. the older males become, the lower their slavery to testosterone, such that below a certain level of female suitability, the man will pass on matrimony altogether. then it’s all about “her needs” and how life was hard. a woman of 28, just let me add my personal 2 cents on this issue:Men like to put themselves up on this pedestal, like they are some kind of precious mineral that is in short supply and that all the womenfolk are freaking out about it. you will always be number 2, there will be no gratitude etc. i and my relationship with the lord is what fulfills me- yes i like to have people in my life- life would be boring and lonely without other people in it- but seriously i don’t need a woman in my way 24/7. here’s something to consider: when this comes off the rails, it may not be him who hits the kill switch. a man does want children then i can see why a woman who doesn’t want them would need to make a compelling case as to why he should marry her. may say, that men are intimidated by female intelligence, but that is the usual female projection. #2 involves no sacred act, no union, not even a goverment sanctioned civil ceremony between he and her. and, it does not seem to factor if the mother is under 35.  either way you’re going to be alone in the future with your plan. all a girl has to remember is:That’s all there is to it. i tend to agree with some of comments here that said women in their mid 30’s just do not want to date anyone “whose age starts with a 4”. seems to be (as i indicated somewhere above) some essential lack of humanity in those who attempt to justify their unwillingness to reproduce on the grounds of choice – choice being one of the great curses of our times. we both cried a lot and still miss each other but for some reason it had to be over. throws herself at some guy who later thinks better of it. perhaps your limited experience might not be as informed as my conclusions gleaned from the observations and experiences of myself and others. believe what you want but realize others are free to do the same. if you want to be a pleasant woman you are on your own.’s many men here who keep insisting that a woman’s education is completely worthless. you’re a woman who is reading this and is getting a bit angry, i will repeat myself: you may be flawless. accusations of trolling to those with dissenting views and telling them they`re not welcome just seem to be part of the territory in the sphere, so i would just take such comments in stride. otherwise, think there would be a blockbuster world wide conversion to christianity of cigarette smokers and many other bad habits or evil behavior.  it seems at least to me a different kind of cultural experience exists in countries where people are just simply seeking a better more fullfiling life. a woman sincerely says she doesnt want kids – guess what ? this may be true in some cases, but i don’t think it’s fair or accurate to assume that this is the case with every single 30+ woman. also never claimed that “there is no correlation between childless and birth control, abortion, promiscuity, sexual hyperventilation, education, age, delayed marriage, no fault divorce (choices made by women)” and frankly don’t care if there is or isn’t a correlation because that isn’t what i am arguing here. she’s a member of eharmony…and never logs in to sort through the 300 men they’ve sent her. there are two major reasons, the first one being the obvious tradition of the male paying for most of the cost in the relationship. was speaking to a 26 male stock broker the other day.  if i had to choose between an older guy who loved me completely, but would die on me, or a guy my age or younger who would leave me for a younger woman, i will take the older guy, who actually loves me, and take him without hesitation. i am the type of guy who gets tattoos, an so is your doctor, teacher, lawyer, and yes the stereotypical biker, gang member and convict., sep 23 at 11:17 pm:Yes, it’s true that most advise a woman in her 30s to seek men 10+ years older.. some have so much, when i read “my 6 year old is my life”, i go to the next one because i think, well then you don’t need a woman then do you? statement, “don’t let what some anonymous guy on the internet (that would be me greyghost there) keep you from that motivate dick.– a 30+ prodigal daughter that returns to her fathers house after blowing her inheritance on riotous living (no pun intended). i’ve personally asked my doctor about pms symptom management and have been told that there is nothing nutritionally that can be done. phreak is a sling figure of speech for a very sexual woman. in england , we are i think a lot freer for (as i have observed before) there seems to be no pressure at all on anyone here, man or woman, to marry or then to reproduce, or for that matter anything else – perhaps that is why we produce people like newton, faraday, and darwin, and copious other eccentrics like john logie baird . he said that looking at it objectively, if he didn’t know her now, he might not be as attracted to her.” this is dealing with the real people in the real world where there are many shades of grey” . i’m not judging one way or the other; i’m just wondering, because it seems so strange, and i’d like to hear others’ perspectives. if you’re good-looking and have a job you should not be having any trouble getting a woman. sure the other half of the 50/50 means living happily ever after, or at least as happy as previous generations of married couples, but why go for 50/50 with a woman who hasn’t decided? because in an environment where men, or even just a substantial subset of men, are saving themselves for marriage, it is usually very easy for a woman to get married, if she is even remotely attractive, personable, and approachable. we stayed together a few years longer and mutually decided to separate., unknown, you have to acknowledge that you’re not talking here about the 80% or so of men you never notice and would never give the time of day to. worked as a special ed teacher; only hobby was semi-professional community theater in a major metro area. would you come here and put up a defense of feminism if you were looking to see it rightfully “condemned, judged, and mocked”? woman who is not married by the age of 30 is suspect. man is emotionally committed to the relationship, but the woman is only biologically committed as long as he remains alpha. one has such high expectations that i know there is no man on this earth can meet even half of them, but at the same time she brings nothing to the table, but herself and her sorry p**sy.. as for your stance about some women having issues, i would agree partly with you there, but at the same time, i think some of the reasons for their issues stem from traumatic events that occured in their lives such as physical and emotional abuse, child molestation, rape, and so forth. is a heavy emphasis on how a woman’s physical attractiveness and youth are the most important factors in whether or not she can attract a man.’s the deal though, overseas there’s very little market for american  women, but there’s a huge market for american men. there is no shortage of men to marry at any age. god make 4 year old girls for 4 year old boys…and 25 year old men for 25 year old woman…stick to your own age groups…you would be better off rmember you are trying to find someone to spend the rest of your life with…this isn’t for mens sexual gratification…ladies…find a guy your own age or younger…best sperm quality is in 20’s !’m pretty much of deti’s mindset… a woman can draw boundaries prior to marriage, so long as they’re well meant. there really isn’t more to say i’m afraid. she gave it away to other men, and i find it unattractive.. ” you never re marry your first husband” and we respect each other, and have seen each other threw so much, we just weren’t mean to spend out lives with each other. if a man enters a ltr with a real heart felt commitment, but without the legal sanction of the govt, and the woman now has real consequences for bailing (no cash and prizes)…win/win…yes? she has an ax to grind – she can’t stand the fact that some women haven’t reproduced (the author herself just had to have a baby at age 51 despite her husband’s reluctance)., there is nothing which tethers a woman to her marriage except her own character. cut the pressure on the woman, and i bet they will relax and not seem as intense as they do.  but the woman who wants to start a family with me would be more than just a “breeding machine. she`s reached the shallow end of the opportunity pool, and her options are diminishing, day by day.: “so, i’m getting around to finally accepting that superalpha is never going to marry me and father my babies. the reason you stated was the red herring that in so doing it would contribute to an abusive attitude on the part of men towards women. victim beaten down by feminism, what on earth is so important about marrying a woman the same age as you? she also happens to have 3 children of her own, so she’s not a bitter old hag who wishes she could have kids looking to make excuses for herself., in my other posts i was talking about women not being able to meet men interested in them. first, a woman from a broken home has probably grown up without her father in the home and hasn’t lived with him. i can show you at least one scientist who says otherwise. a woman who truly does not want children should seek out a partner who feels the same way rather than aiming for someone 10-15 years older who already has children. as so many here have said upthread, it’s going to take a lot of work on your part to become whole again, but it’s “doable” if you want it to happen badly enough. there is no wife, only a legal gun to his head. the “spouting” the increase cf is merely “argumentum ad populum” (it is occurring – there is no denial). men over 50 where 8 times more likely to produce children with dwarfism. am a woman and i’m only 26 and older men disgust me eww.“however, what happens if they meet a woman who they would like to become involved with, but she’s saving herself for marriage? there are still men who want marriage, but they tend not to be as attractive as the most attractive men. then of course there were the women, who were just overlooked or never really approached for a relationship; in spite of being attactive and having a lot going for them. they might differ on what that number was or how they defined a slut (some putting a number on it and others describing it as having a transactional approach to sex or an attitude of giving it away easily to boost self-esteem) but they were virtually unanimous that they didn’t want to marry a slut however they defined that to be. also women are in their prime in their 30s and 40s. well, we are all free to interpret the signals others send us, just as you have decided to have follow your interpretation of my words. the likelihood of a 42-year old woman having a child naturally is about 1. put a slender waist with either though, and it suddenly becomes a whole lot more appealing. the fact that one roommate is hurt by this does not mean that there is any legal repercusions. if they haven’t decided they’re a 50/50 time bomb, after months of affection and imaginations about the future, the man can find himself empty handed and out whatever time and money were spent, when the woman decides that what she really wants is to live as a man rather than as a woman. i thought my fantasy was definitely attainable because i’d watched my mother get the same deal with her beauty and agelessness (today she’s 55 but routinely gets mistaken for 35), plus i felt i had the ‘advantage’ of growing up westernized, being educated, having my youth and her genes, and being much more ‘likable’ than my mother. if a man enters a ltr with a real heart felt commitment, but without the legal sanction of the govt, and the woman now has real consequences for bailing (no cash and prizes)…win/win…yes? there was little or no chance of making a woman pregnant it would simply have been removed by evolution. there are plenty of “men our age” who haven’t found themselves, too. any answers to a single semi-depressed 30 year old woman would be appreciated. hang in there’, what (in terms of liking the woman or not liking the woman) would you mean by that?” you’re blessed with children of your own and seem to embrace your role as a father, which is wonderful, but why do you think it’s so wrong for women in particular who choose not to have children of their own? of them actually “got it” after some serious discussion that the failed marriage was mostly “her fault” since she had the guy was a great husband (ie “fun”) but :– married a guy who didn’t want kids. and i have a feeling he would also most likely not encounter criticism from society for turning a good woman down, because hey, he’s a man one of the most importants requirements for his partner/wife selection is attraction right? single middle aged men like yourself want to get married and start a family? consider the advantages: the woman is not silly and flighty but serious about combining motherhood with her necessary career. she is 3x as likely to have a miscarriage if her partner is 35 vs 25, regardless of her age.“so many women are full of drama or have low self esteem or are inhibited – until they really come into themselves and know who they are in their mid-30s or so. singles in their 30s and 40s have dated and been disappointed – a lot. there is a bit of humor in there as well. the single ones wanted kids and the divorced ones had kids well into mid 40’s.  additionally, my own father took off when i was very young and left my mother and i with absolutely nothing. the virtuous woman of solid characer was deceived, tricked into marrying a man of dubious repute, a wife beater and substance abuser. 30+ years old man that approach a 30+ year old woman for the purpose of marriage is insane. you have no group of men making decisions about whether you can use viagra; women who use birth control to prevent painful cysts in this uterus have been subject to days of debate by the government. i was demonized for even mentioning that, but i would think a real conversation on the topic would be very useful for a single woman in her 30s looking to marry. discovered that it was ‘easy’ for me to attract boys starting in middle school. there is no will involved and, some argue, no thought. however, there was a place where a commenter, i think, said that if a woman really decides to get married, she’ll have a proposal within a year. ‘the lucky ones found their man’ is what she says – but apparently jane’s luck was curtailed by the credit crunch – buried amongst her attempt at man shaming, and oblique reference to the fifty shades trilogy.’m not going to bother to respond to the rest of your post. the perfect example of this syndrome is every man on any dating site that refuses to date a woman his own age or older, yet expects younger women not to screen him out. is pure hypocrisy to have higher standards than what you have for yourself. he would never, never, never settle down with a 5 or invest in her — when/if he marries, it’ll be with a female 9, because he can get one. there has to be major shift in thinking and behavior – these dont come overnight and without cost., you attract what you put out there — whether you are in tennesee, thailand or anywhere in between. what makes it worse is that we skew these things into a woman’s perspective and they mutate into some weird form of what they originally started as. friend and co-worker of mine who met his now ex-wife in drug rehab also caught her red handed banging his best friend. putting it the other way round: would a woman think it worth taking a chance with a man who spent his youth high on dope or stupified with alcohol or unemployed and drifting? perhaps a woman ten years your junior now, is taking that into consideration. there is nothing that says your wife/soul-mate can’t be waiting for you on some tropical island., as mentioned when a woman say she does not want children – there is a specific reason. i know a lot about her past and i’m sure it wouldn’t hold up to your scrutiny. not every single 30 something woman “rode the carousel” or put off marriage because she was career obsessed. a woman might prefer a tall and financially secure man, but that also shouldn’t be the main factor in her choosing to be with him. not very realistic, there is no such thing as perfect chemistry. likewise with a woman who marries in her thirties and forties.’m finding it difficult how you can speculate on my morality from what i’ve written here.“if a man is in love with, attracted to, and wants to live with a woman, then at some point they’re obviously going to want to consummate the relationship. game is about action towards the benefit of yourself, and the gospel is about action towards the benefit of others; in this case, a wife. it’s easy for a woman to point the finger. she need only be average, look as if she cares somewhat about her physical appearance, and not be morbidly obese. perhaps ‘for the sake of the kids’ is not reason enough the stay together, though it can sometimes save a relationship.  no other race goes out of their way to have their own language, and anti-establishment persona. most likely she went about sabotaging our marriage because of it, ( the problems and her infidelity seem to coincide) and lifted a burden from me”. drugs are you on and where can i get some? best be up front with her and spare yourself the hand whinging next time. again, i’m not saying either is a gold standard.“right now you should be on one of those sight getting to know those type of men (don’t be in there debating and shit talking about goodness and marriage) go in there to discover ways to be pleasing and enjoyable. i have not, and do not care to, read her book i found some admittedly biased reviews from amazon. twenty something will definitely be definitely have better skin tone, ineffable youth, and more time on her hands vs nearing expiration date. the point is whether such women are suitable wives and mothers. is a rather insightful bit of information:“history has shown that rapid declines in childbearing—whether in ancient rome, seventeenth-century venice, or modern-day tokyo—correlate with an erosion of cultural and economic vitality. everybody loves himself/herself every minute of every day from birth to death. i always felt that dating a female lawyer would be a bit like going gay: two people otherwise indistinguishable – rather like marrying yourself. there are exceptions in america but you have to look at the odds. statement is quite indicative of your morals (or lack there of). women in their early 30s are much more likely to get pregnant in a year if their partner is under 35. heres the double standard: there was no shaming of the women. for the most part, however, if the woman is mutually smitten, i’m not sure a second date would be totally out of the question., most of my female peers are marrying in early 30s.“marriage is a process of bonding two people together to a child, to create the biochemicals neccessary for a long term relationship”. (exceptions made for widows; however, a widow will have to qualify extremely highly in other areas if i am to take the place of a deceased husband/father)., that makes sense about a woman needing to “widen her attraction filters and consider men she might not otherwise consider.’m curious as to why a woman who would join, but not participate in, dating venues like great expectations, and eharmony would hire a dating coach. she’ll have to change her attraction vectors and widen them considerably., your essay reads as a checklist of manospherian speech – recognising you had beta orbiters, the fact that you’ve just passed 30, that you’re accepting of your place in society, that you’ve assessed your mother’s negative example showing you ‘what not to do’ as a woman, that you’re shy and sweet and submissive, that you dream of a husband and children to look after, cook, clean and sew for, that you’re attractive and have youthful genes, that you’re slim, that you’re from a foreign country, smart enough to speak 3 languages yet humble enough to be grateful for your maid’s wages, that you honoured your dying stepfather by caring for him and his children, and that you have ‘old world’ tastes. in-depth interview and focus group data reveal that, compared to men, women more often were affected by the parenting models of significant others, saw parenting as conflicting with career and leisured identities, and claimed the lack of a “maternal instinct” or disinterest in children as dominant influences. the question becomes whether a man, armed with red pill knowledge, will decide that, all factors known and all things considered, she is worthy of his commitment. they did, and have been remained happily together for over 40 years now. know some men feel that all a wife has to offer is sex, and that companionship can be found by other sources, but i still think (and know)there are men who actually like having their wives around for something other than that. here is a repeat in reference to single women on the pill. it’s no wonder that many men think, as i do, that not only do young women are not the best potential deciders of whom they should marry (that belongs to their fathers, informed but not equally by their mothers). so can we just agree to leave it, and walk away, so that i can save some face here? she earns more but is not a mainstream careerist type so she doesn’t make a lot of money either in her small privately owned business. remember that you’re interviewing a potential husband, but there’s no subterfuge going on here, not really. addition, a quick review of history, civilization, and personal experience with women prove otherwise. the ideal is to have her from the most common prime (18) to the watershed age (25) and get rid of her if she does not make the cut (improve compared to other women her age). bet there are alot of women, christian and otherwise, who think they have a successful marriage but if you asked their husbands in a forum like this, you would get a different picture. that kind of woman is a treasure, especially if she is good looking. by the time the average woman completes her undergrad degree, she’s only 21-23.  most times when you see a young woman with a man over 40 (i said most not all. so there is no necessity to defend yourself against me. yet, you come here and spit on the very idea of marriage itself; except as something impossible; lost to the past. detinennui32 was 30 when i met her, 32 when we married and in the same position as dalrock’s commenter. show me where in my comment i said you were “not marriageable”. i know men who married non-american woman who are wonderful women and they are happy? men you might not date because of some quality or another (he has kids already, he’s got a weird tatoo on his arm, etc. it is when the father and mother are older and then it was stated less than 1%.’ve had a good career (physician)…but, let me tell you, the thing i see from watching older peers finish up their careers…is that it’s your family that is most likely to be there for you….“would someone explain why “going to church” is not listed as advice to an unmarried women in her 30s? some researchers are recommending men freeze their sperm if they haven’t had children by age 35. single person is judgmental, else i expect you, right here and now, to tell pretty women every single day to marry ugly men. some women work on their appearance despite getting to their late 20s and early 30s. there are comments that i think really cut to the heart of many matters and there are some comments that seem bitter and unresolved. the wife was in her early to mid 30s and the husband was in his mid 20s. are correct that men of action can “bloom” wherever they are. because i’ve had that experience before i have to believe there are other men out there who i could share a profound connection with but i am worried that my circumstance of already having had that loving partnership and producing a child from that relationship may prove to complicate matters too much for a man who is my equal and who might otherwise consider me a suitable life partner. i’ve had three ltrs in my life, but in each case, either she didn’t want children, couldn’t have children, or was over and done with the whole thing. cause once you’re married you gotta hang around with other married people and that’s just disgusting., this is also common in upper income families where their whole day is shopping, lunch, and pampering (i saw quite a bit of this is scottsdale, az). most importantly, the people who will bear the brunt of that damage are the man who marries her, and her children.” at this point in time everything you have told her is true, but these are issues that she can not change right now.

Why Do Women in Their 30s Not Want to Date Men in Their 40s?

many woman say they want a “christian man” but in reality they do not. what these guys need to know is that what’s really going on is she can’t pull the hot guys like she used to; she’s running out of time and options; her bio-clock is roaring like a freight train; and she needs a husband now now now; and once she locks him in and gets her one or two kids, she’ll divorce him because she just isn’t haaaaappy. he’s a worthless moron, is an average woman really unable to figure that out in a few weeks or months? rmaxgenactivepua comments above are a page of the frivolous shit from having a sexual relationship with her husband to giving a damn about a mans rights just as a human being is not normal for a woman to do with out it being something that takes care of her. would a younger woman want to date a much older man? the modern lifestyle of lots of sexy before marriage, plus many advanced degrees in how to shuffle paper and modern independent woman tm (i don’t need no man! meanwhile my coworkers were always going into debt on new cars, expensive vacations and other useless consumer items. a rule of thumb: a man should probably marry between the ages of twenty eight and thirty five; a woman between twenty one and twenty eight. is where the confusion is, and why it is widely believed ltrs and serial monogamy carry less moral culpability. know some of the posters on here are probably going to say these are the exceptions or outliers, but in certain communities it’s actually quite common. feminine/chaste woman can be spotted very quickly and her chastity initially gauged by a very brief interaction. it’s a greedy and grasping tyranny and it can be nothing other than such. those men that like to go to bars, more women go to bars/night clubs on new year’s eve, than any other night, through out the year. yes, i know men are perfectly capable of doing this on their own, without a woman, but i’m sure most would agree and expect that she will take on most (or all)of the domestic duties as some of her primary responsibilities. what good is higher education that deceitfully promises a career if one cant maintain a healthy relationship due to wrecked values /morals ? but not being a feminist, i have sufficient humility to simply address the questions asked, rather than try to bully her into some kind of position more to my liking. putting that aside for a second, i may be wrong — i can likely guess what those “assets” you are referring to are — but what i see you saying here in that you are willing to indulge in a racist stereotype about black men to attract white women but then you get upset when some white women don’t want to date you for reasons having to do with race? (i would probably learn her language because there is no working relationship without communication. so women’s mmvs are determined by the caliber of men willing to marry her. selective about where you choose to look for this man. either believe god is a benevolent dictator who admonishes us not to do harmful things, so as to help us enjoy a better, fuller life…. far as good-quality long-term relationships go, there are three important things that have nothing whatsoever to do with age. attraction and marriage:I as a man don’t care about where you went to school, or your salary, or your job, or your friends. so research what men in their 30s are wearing, talking about. there are plenty of other websites that certainly share your beliefs about why women exist. and you don’t need to stay with a guy for 2 years or more to figure out whether he’s a marriage candidate, or to get ready to get married. not every woman is going to be able to find someone who really turns her on.” end result: daddy tells thweet pwincess that it’s up to her to take care of herself, meaning that she sees no reason to submit to anybody, much less any man, one she probably can’t trust anyway. still others lost children, homes, fortunes, and even freedom due to the savage anti-male injustices of divorce court.“why would you come here and put up a defense of feminism if you were looking to see it rightfully “condemned, judged, and mocked”?” if that were the case, then how do you explain how there are 30 thirty something women in ltrs or engaged to be married to men within their own age group? is, round here, a youngish woman who used to come out drinking on sunday nights (band night). do you think it could also be that there are some 30+ women who may have strong libidos but are actually just shy and image conscious? for example, benn (1998) and adams (1998) have shown that the public face of motherhood fails to account for the private experiences of women who are mothers. however strongly an ordinary guy might admire or desire such a woman, by the time he’s out of high school he knows, fairly well, whether he is, or (much more likely) is not, able to get such women.”  i’ll just leave that right there, so you can see if you can find your blind spot.@cf (wo)man “i just noticed the little shot at me by adding (wo) to my name and calling me a woman. maybe she isn’t looking for a man to have in her life. too bad we can’t get together an make that happen. woman i have ever met who is attractive and has a lot going for her as set out above in my experience has never, ever, ever wanted for a man. but a woman only has that knowledge if she’s picked it up along the way, if she’s still imagining herself to be as ‘9’ as she was ten years ago, if she still believes she doesn’t have to compensate by being a little more pleasant, she doesn’t stand a chance against a younger woman. you are a widow, which is something altogether different from the usual irresponsible single, never-married woman with children so common these days, who attempts to dress up the toxic baggage from her past that she carries as some sort of gift to be treasured. doubt about it; what man would not want a woman older than himself and with a failed marriage and or illegitimate children behind her, and for him to dove right into the role of surrogate father and provider. america is one big experiment in world history- there has been no other country quite like the north america – we are not a “race of people” where as other countries are (aussie land is twice removed cousin). i work with a woman who broke up with a long term boyfriend and got into online dating. 30 plus year old woman is unmarriageable that is why they do the single mom routine because they don’t want the guys that think they are marriage material. most women in their 30s in the dating scene are horrifically dissatisfied with what they see as slim pickings. “does a woman desperate in her thirties wanting to have a wedding and a kid really believe in love and marriage? the end result is frightening, something that is neither man nor woman. mentioned there are “exception to the rules” but that number is very very very very very very very very very small – world history show that – this cannot be refuted and has been for a very specific purpose such as the religious orders.  one of them was aiming her comments at me being 34. but a truly feminine woman, one who is… chaste doesn’t seem quite right, actually. she and the levite went to visit a town in benjamin tribal territory, and long story made short the levite offered his woman to the townspeople, and his woman was gang-raped until she died.% of the ire you sense here is about the histrionic claim of rape and the absurd litigation that followed. to conditioning – it never enters her mind that she has amended the contract.*** i kind of feel like there is a serious no-win game being played out there:If the younger women are the most virtuous by having had fewer years to make “bad” decisions (jdm just shared an appalling statistic about 90% of 14 years olds having had sex, which i hope is a type-o) and at the same time these young women are statistically the most probable to get file for divorce and drag you through the legal system, do most if not all roads lead to (post-apocalyptic) rome? regardless of how much love and dedication she put into trying to build a union with this man, the woman is seen as the one who should’ve known better, but she’s got what she signed up for and really should just let the past go. also, you’re focusing on a woman’s career as an attraction point. we don’t need men like you here who are only looking to devalue our worth and make us feel like we are undeserving of love with our peers because men like you are looking to feel superior over women.! those guy’s that you dismissed or turned up your nose at, those guys right there that you constantly say no to or turn your nose up to are generally the “good guys”. there is usually a good reason for that: leaving aside looks/figure etc it will surely mean either bad attutude (towards men) or slutdom (i. when she was pregnant with their second child she had found out that he was cheating on her. women are less effected by the economy due to their higher degree of financial stability in later years. there are lots of 4’s to 6’s that think they’re worthy of the kind of worship that i wouldn’t even give to a 10+. nobody thought there was any truth to what i was saying until the ex’s text messages came to public knowledge, and yet to this day no one has sent me a hint of apology. (indicates future time orientation, planning, impulse control or lack thereof). think he makes some valid points about something that could conceivably (no pun intended) be a possibility, that being a woman who might just change her mind about having children after initially deciding that she didn’t want them. after we broke off the engagement – she even attempted to get back together with the ex hubby ( i have seen this quite often). i can show you at least one scientist who says otherwise. man who says he’s in love with a woman after one date is mentally unbalanced. never made any claims regarding the age at which it is safe to have children, so i’m really not sure where that is coming from.“at this point in time everything you have told her is true, but these are issues that she can not change right now. but the issue is what a woman is willing to do in this smp to meet an attractive man for possible marriage. for a woman that doesn’t want children that would be the perfect place. is where you are supposed to come in; to give her the life she now knows she’s always wanted, now that she has sampled a buffet of cocks. ( which btw, i agree sometimes on what both the men and woman have had to say here). here is pretty much the same answers i have given, just from a different source. some don’t learn to possess this self-confidence and worthiness until they’re in their late 20s-early 30s, but by then a lot of these women are just dismissed as being “worthless” “dried-up” or have “hit the wall. after dating her for a year, i find out she was raped a few times – one of them was her cousin so i guess it must be true. i see many women in their 30s who have made getting married their top priority, it’s like they’re trying to fill this huge void in their life.@van rooinek – i bet the bride in question was a virgin and remained faithful to him all her life. she had well over 15 marriage proposals despite being divorced, mid 30’s, and a child from a previous marriage. for men like him with money they can look for women in countries where age is not considered in the vein you describe. (hint: before 33, he married the sub-26-yo who understood that he was still on his way up, and that most men aren’t romance novel heros. much as you see my life without children as unfulfilled, i would consider spending the rest of my life with a woman who doesn’t bring her own thoughts and ideas (i. if you want to get into debates that self-serve your own unrealistic, fantasy based ideology about your male prowess, you certainly have a million other spaces where you can spend all the time you need to sprouting false facts about biology and telling yourself all kinds of false things to make yourself feel good. this is will you a chance to check compatibility and give you a chance to know each other. a woman tell me, what does she actually have of value to offer?–if more than one child, all by the same father?. men who have expressed interest in you but you have told them “let’s just be friends” or some variation thereof. there are 100% bets out there, and any man with sense or experience will know that’s the only bet to make. dear girl i am of the opinion that women ought not bring her own agenda to the covenant of marriage. this website is a great way to learn and get insight/feedback from others who are far more skilled at it. is it possible to be deeply religious (i’m meaning specifically christian here, biblically so) and not want children? however; everyone is clear that her behavior is not good; so the pollution effect is smaller than the monogamous one. things i’d probably suggest to women over 30 looking to marry is that they make sure there is attraction from the outset, and that they work at the relationship between the two of them. and i’m certainly not going to give them any pointers in person (unlike i’m doing right now on the net) because they didn’t bother to tell me what i needed to do to up my game back then. there is no way in hell men in my age group have any ‘yearning’ to get married …. as the old saying goes “there is some one for everybody” one thing you need to understand the child free is a unique group of people. people stay within the 3-6 year either way flux keep that in mind. it seems that all men commenting here releasing accumulated aggression towards women. there are a lot of people who are really down on women in here. there is nothing i could say or do that can change that. – that’s great but your personal experience doesn’t mitigate biology where men’s sperm does infact go on decline as they hit 31.“first of all, there is no commonly-accepted definition for words like rare, common, or unlikely among statisticians. sad thing is…if you’re exactly as described and didn’t grossly embellish all the good things while understating the cons, i see no reason you shouldn’t be able to not only find a man but at the kind of beta who is quite accomplished in other areas to the point he wouldn’t just support your lawsuit but pay the lawyer fees and your debt himself! i know the men on here at times feel like they are hitting their heads against the wall trying to make women understand their plight, but i have learned and continue to learn a lot from this site and plan on passing the knowledge on. you’ll rapidly ruin your chances for a decent man otherwise. in this way, you would be no different from your ex-wife; except that you felt the consequences when she said it to you with her harlotry. when men say ” settle” down we by no means say just settle for any shlump but what pi**es men off so much is women think that by holding out and saying no to every single guy that there will be this fantasy god like guy that’s going to magically appear ( as is he’s going to be the oh so demanding 6′ ++ guy, have millions upon millions of dollars, have this “perfect life” and never have a worry in life, and you can just sit on your a** all day every day and do nothing). if you’re serious about getting married, your behavior and dress will be different from the party girl or the career-uber-alles woman. jenn, there are few things less attractive to men than a woman who acts, talks, and/or looks like a man. each their own, although i’m not sure what you mean when you state “by law there is no such thing. whether it is with a regular monogamous lover, or with a ons. he knew his financial health was being destroyed because of her, and it was his last, desperate attempt to correct her, one that she rejected. all of these men would make fine husbands and would walk her down the aisle tomorrow, but are rejected because they’re not hotbody alphas with six pack abs, rock hard c*cks, a bmw in the garage and a six figure income. will see a hot natural chick dressed like a slut, as a sign of insecurity & batshit crazy … & stay the hell away from her, leaving her to the pump & dump alpha’s to pick off her carcasse … until she hits the wall. me, the todd friel/wretched piece about marriage at the end, where it was essentially “man up and get married” missed the mark completely. women over 30 doesnt need advice to get married unless she is unatractive or has other issues a women at 30 is more sopisticated than her at 20 and will attract the same kind of guy…like goes with like…if she wants a family so does he and to the guy complaining posting videos of teenagers in bikinis u are a pervert no its not all about age i know lots of women who got married around 30 ., on the other hand, don’t really learn to control those urges because (1) they are not as frequent as men’s are; and (2) they don’t have to learn to control them because a man will always be available to satisfy them. haven’t yet really decided where i come down on all of the discussion points. it’s not possible to be in love with a woman after one date. you and the others are on team woman as your purpose is to feed men into the grinder. i’ve never felt immediate chemistry with a beta, however, if there’s some attraction and we connect on many levels, it grows.“you’ve talked about a woman’s “desoulment” when seeking love from multiple men. if a woman is in her mid-thrities and is not a former carousel rider, then one has to suppose that she has been celibate for twenty years or so, yet that seems unlikely; equally the chronically insecure tend to have ‘a screw loose’, like my erstwhile would-be lover, and it is unlikely to become tightened sufficiently by her mid-thirties. there is absolutely no pay off to tie yourself with such a man even when he is older than you.“any man in his 30′s at the height of his smv is not going to settle down with a woman who does not want children (even if he also does not want children) if she brings no other attributes to the table. for those who have never had that and wonder if it’s out there, it is. here is a example – there is no correlation between the ability/character/virtue of a car driver vs the type of car they drive. but the odds are simply against a woman in her 30′s in areas where the ratio of single women to single men is as high as it is in places like nyc. washington dc there are alot of single black women with houses and no kids making over 0,000. this may be true in some cases, but i don’t think it’s fair or accurate to assume that this is the case with every single 30+ woman. my advice to the woman in her 30s–give more men a chance, honestly assess your own desirability, and be happy with moderate or even mild chemistry. without status, even a perfect body gets you nowhere with women. i wasn’t able to get a criminal conviction against the man (charges were filed but dropped by prosecution for ‘insufficient evidence’), but i’m in the middle of a civil lawsuit against him and the church i joined where i met him, since that church actively tried to cover up that he had assaulted me. when you’re 60 and your mate is 40 there are going to be some major differences between you. unmarried women in her 30’s will more than likely join her fellow single sisters. however i have zero luck even though i live in the chicago area where one would think opportunity is everywhere.” it’s alright if you disagree with me, and while you may have not “ever met such a woman” in your life, i have and they do exist. not fat, but there was something seriously wrong with her and out of a scale of ten no one could say she was more than a 1.“there’s no way her sexual past should disqualify her as a wife. there is no other perspective and if you dare to think for a moment there is, we will scream at you and try to shut you up, because your thoughts are dangerous.  i suppose that is why i see a lot more men going to other countries to find a companion. getting off of the coastal plains will put her into areas where more men are likely to want to marry, to be blunt. but had i not known her from before she would just be another 31 year old women who “looks good for her age” but is not worthy of marriage (unless i’m 15-20 years older than her) precisely because of her age. of course she should get herself on a sexual fast too. immediately after the wedding (or just as they were setting out on their honeymoon – i forget which it was) she made him drive to her ex’s old house so she could look at it and sigh, “he used to live there. but my suggestion is that you choose not to speak unkindly of her to others. she can plough ahead like the typical american woman and go to meetup groups, friends, community activities and probably stay single or settle for someone way below her expectations or she can have a metanoia and turn from her developed bad habits. go to any single dating site and tell me how many profiles you see if black woman with at least once child, because 60% of those woman have a second child with another man. in the bible, god said “be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth” exactly twice, and hebrew scholars debate whether it was meant as a blessing rather than as a command. the attitude may even make someone who doesn’t otherwise fit the profile to be more than acceptable. i was raised by a single mother; so i don’t judge anyone based on that alone. i have lots of friends- stay active physically and i’m deeply involved in my church and many other activities. if a man is in love with, attracted to, and wants to live with a woman, then at some point they’re obviously going to want to consummate the relationship. she doesn’t meet men because there aren’t any men, or are very few men, in the social and professional circles she moves in. if you can’t find what you’re looking for here, jump on a plane. for the gash, all she wants is someone who cares for her and will share life’s journeys with her…. decide whether it is or isn’t, and then formulate a plan to get for yourselves whatever it is you decide you want. here’s the thing: if a woman is 30 or above and has never been married and has wanted to get married, something’s wrong, even if she hasn’t been carouseling., the choice of language was deliberate (and indeed a reference to the link you posted) and intended to shock a woman out of her sense of superiority. i have seen men in their 30’s look at woman in their 50’s who have that look, give off that energy, and i can tell that for a second, he was in awe by her. like the same youtuber’s video on male disposability, i saw it just the other day and was blown away. actually, if you review statistics, there is actually less of a cultural gap then previous generations. can also say that whatever works for a man with some women will work against you for other women. a scene from big love has always stuck in my head- where the middle wife who was raised in a rural compound always got stuck fixing the appliances. in michael’s case, we’re not talking ‘earnings potential,’ as he is already established in his field, but rather ‘earnings.! plus, there is something super important: beauty can actually be an obstacle to finding a marriage partner, while an average attractiveness can be an asset. it’s a greedy and grasping tyranny and it can be nothing other than such. and relationships,Love and relationships,Dating advice for women,I recently got out of a serious relationship and was "not excited," (strong understatement) to find myself back in the dating world. thing i will never do here (or anywhere else) is “play dumb,” and i’m still unsure as to why you would think that. even after taking into account the age of the would be mother. what is the greater motivation now other than promiscuity, free-loading, and self-centeredness? your consolation, there is no short supply of blue-pill guys out there willing to look past your baggage and would still marry you. i want to be a stay-at-home mother – to this day i get a lot of happiness from checking in on and visiting my younger stepsiblings and bolstering them up as much as i can, especially when my mother decides she ‘quits’ for weeks at a time and drops the children off at my apartment. think about this – what good is it to have a higher education (master on up) that leads to a short term career ? not a bad concept, just largely not a reality in the here and now. however, if a man or woman spent their youth drug/alcohol addicted i would not fault someone for not wanting to take a chance on them if they have struggled with addictions for a couple different reasons.“the reason you stated was the red herring that in so doing it would contribute to an abusive attitude on the part of men towards women. some of those who will not already have kids and don’t want more, in which case a cfbc woman might be the one who backs away (a woman who doesn’t want her own children is unlikely to want to raise someone else’s). whenever women come to the ‘sphere to report a divorce, that divorce is always, always, always 100% his fault. course the overall attitude is the most important, and a woman need not be model thin, merely healthy. centuries and currently, a womans chastity/honor was valued and prized (ie “much ado about nothing” offers a serious & comical side into this). there are many ways for a woman to encourage a man without it ever being possible to suggest that she is doing so and thus without running the risk of lowering her market value. having just turned 50, i have been actively dating for the last four years (using a lot of evan’s advice, of course) and have dated men 12-15 years on either side of me, but not so many my own age. older father’s also increased their children’s likehood of nervous system cancers 70%. cracking mother superiors come and go here while the grammatical knuckle draggers (tam, not a reference to you or anyone specific at all) find a place; sometimes they are even given the podium. understand that it is a humble and quiet woman who is serving god that will attract a godly man’s attention. said: and fathers don’t want to tell their daughters to be “submissive” because in today’s culture, “submissive” means “weak, timid, chained to a kitchen, fodder for violence and abuse. in that light, let’s remove that data i presented from the discussion since there has been more than enough evidence presented here since then to support my claims. just trying to be a happy person so that others actually want to be around me. i hope i’m married by the time i get there because if i’m not, i think i’ll just resolve to remain single after seeing the attitudes of women here. a woman, who is a single mom is demanding perfection from a very imperfect world in her “future husband” remember the measure for which you will be judged upon as well. and a young man in this situation will typically fall into either the stereotype of a) wanting to be led and/or nurtured by a woman, or b) not wanting anything serious and looking for other options (younger, more fertile women) for marriage. previous post:former escort and post-op transsexual wants her understanding boyfriend to be more ambitious. this isn’t an mrm website where we need men hating on us. current stats of hepb & c, herpes, (and other factors) and morals values that you have shared, and a little bit of insight in your “situation” – i am quite sure your “cfbc” was a forced duress decision due from previous decisions and therefore “cfbfu”. that is why also conflating a new testament understanding of gender roles and promiscuity with abuse is a red herring. if a man and a woman date and have sex every day for a year–because they “feel in love”– they commit 365 instances of extra-marital sex. there are just too many people in the world, period. a women denys maternal instinct – there is a very specific reason(s).), an average-looking (at best) middle-aged guy gets attention from women ten to fifteen years my junior – 7s and 8s at that. she has a youthful radiant beauty that goes missing in others who have lost their innocence. we can go from short relationship to short relationship, even with older women who are easy because they are “enchanted” and maybe, at some point, a slightly younger woman we really want will come along and want us back, and we will get married. then i looked up the origin of the name perspective, and found that it is derived from the greek god perspectivus, who was the god of putting your fingers in your ears and shouting “na na na na na i can’t hear you” until the other side gives up. but if he rejects a woman because her parents are divorced and she’s exhibiting the issues i’ve expressed, even one of them, i can’t fault him for doing so. addition, if it is there now there is a very strong chance it is only going to get worse with marriage. the answer is, i am afraid , that i do not know what he feels for you if anything; whether he is too shy to ask you out, or whether he has no desire to do so. seems like many people here have been burned badly by past relationships, failed marriages, bad online dating experiences, etc… and just can’t accept the idea that not everyone will share those same negative experiences. it is almost unfair to the other person that you have to make very rapid judgements about their viability. i choose much of what the christian manosphere says to chose. beta orbiter method is probably a bit harsh, as she by definition has higher value than they do or they wouldn’t be orbiting.– a 30+ ex carousel rider will meet someone just like her if she can find a guy. no woman understands that, however, until she holds her first precious little one- by then if she has a 6 figure salary it is all but too late.  i have no problem dating a younger guy or a guy my age; it is wise to be open-minded otherwise you are limiting yourself. furthermore, ephesians 6 tells me how to equip myself so that those machinegun bullets do not kill me. see adam: “the woman you gave me, gave me the fruit. it’s kind of like the woman who mentions her desire to have children too soon for a guy’s liking and he scatters off.! so far so good – it’s been a slow start, but i have to reiterate – knowing i’m going to talk to evan again next week – and he’s going to be able to see what i’ve done (or not done) is very helpful motivation to get un-stuck and get myself out there. 33 years old woman can be a good find for a dude in his 50’s. but she passed him over and snubbed him; or she moved away to take a better job, or he just wasn’t that important to her then. there was kind of a mini-crush thing going on there, but those happen regardless and don’t mean anything, plus i am not stupid enough to act on them anyway (my hamster is flabby from lack of exercise). there are traits that i just don’t possess, and the paternal instinct is one of them. men its the same for us women…a man should marry a woman his own age, the older men get the harder it is, most young women under 30 do not want some old dude…mentally woman change so much…here is another study…why men and woman should be the same age, they do go though changes rougly the same time:[d: copyrighted content removed (the use of lower case characters was a tip off), but i found what appears to be the source here. then dare i say they are suprissed that men are not queing up to line up to get 1/2 the crap taken away, there children and left in financial limbo for the rest of there power earning years. her risk of a baby with down syndrome is about 1 in 365. but the latter figure is not shooting or spiking upward, so you can’t really say there’s a marriage strike. i don’t hate women either unless they’re mean to me. there is bad with the good and if you commit a crime by hitting some one or committing a more serious injury, you are the one who is ill and should pay the price to justice. at first she would only talk to guys who were over 6′ tall, severely limiting her options. my mother tried to teach me, but she went back to school when i was 10, and she was busy and my sister and i were lazy and fought learning anything. is it right that i should bear responsibility for my share, but that the others shouldn’t? the looking around, the recoiling from kino, the seething disrespect in her eyes were my clues. women have it much worse, because they fertility goes down quite a bit in their 30s, while’s most men’s fertility goes down a little. only should it not be her first priority, it shouldn’t even be her last priority. so don’t blame us because there are a lot of women doing exactly what you say: marrying men they aren’t attracted to, for the status of being married. i’ve prayed for and advised some of my friends to stop dating and really seek god for themselves so that they stop creating more players and making it hard for good women and men out here trying to find each other. and yes i expect my significant other to diet, exercise, and take care of herself. for the culture as a whole, outside of christian moral teaching, it very much is the case that monogamy per se has been elevated to a higher status — that’s what our society teaches, and what therefore most people believe. i find a man sexier than other men when he shows me i am worth fighting for, worth sacrificing for, worth spending a lot of time with. the man can do a lot better but if he can’t, he should not be thinking about marriage either. seems you’re talking about the opposition generally to ow/ym pairings expressed in the manosphere. then there is nothing wrong with these positions, but the little income generated from for all the time and effort put into them, not to mention the crappy treatment from others who deem such people in these positions as “lowly” and “inferior” in spite of earning an honest living, may not be worth the stress, often crappy pay and working conditions, and most importantly, the time away from her husband, family and household. move here is to make clear that your prerogative is marriage. in regards to physical appearance – all things being equal – one will get more “mileage” from a younger woman – this cannot be denied.“i find it funny and hypocritical that women have higher expectations for men than what they have for themselves. notice how they seem to encourage each other through the act of throwing “the real sluts” under the bus, don’t you? obviously she has some reading comprehension issues, because we spend a lot of time here talking about how the ideal arrangement for children is to be raised by both of their biological parents.@ ctgvip “someone castigated a woman for spending years 20-28 with the same guy in the hope of winding up married. i have text messages from my ex where he called his actions rape and apologized; i showed those to the police and charges were filed but later dropped for “insufficient evidence” and that’s what i can’t understand to this day. is in part due to the higher acceptance rate of childfree couples. the commenter seeking advice on how to assess her smv/mmv:Go here for a detailed and fairly assessment of your appearance and personality traits relevant for one night stands. there is no need for a male studies unit because you’ve not had your voice and image silenced for years. being a chef helps and remember only one word from the bible “helper” that frigid tight wad stuff is working there is not a chance of you being a slut now get sexy and like it. no one can deny that for her bf to have sex with her while she was asleep was weird or rude, but seriously?“now suppose a woman find herself in the same situation and turns down a man she is not attracted to and feels no chemistry with, but instead of her choice being met with tolerance and understanding like the man’s choice, she is branded as shallow and superficial? wouldn’t let men get close to her; when they did, she blew up the relationship. the men in their 20’s have at least one chile father (baby mama). can’t help laughing at the idea posited above that a 35-year-old lawyer is some great catch for a woman. we were not all unrealistic about looks n our twenties (i dated nice guys in my twenties, that were not that great looking or anything of the sort, the relationships just happened to deteriorate due to general different life goals and physical distance (moving to another country). way i see it, sex is always payed for, there are exceptions. in other words, if you are getting angry at the choices presented, then maybe you should stay single. a man in his 30s who does not want children & who believes in marriage before sex is rare. attraction is instinctive and it is either there, or it is not — for both sexes. you might have success dating a younger man like that, but men even at that age absolutely do weigh a woman’s age when looking for a marriage partner. i write anywhere is fair game for anyone to use in any way they see fit:Logistically, speaking, of course. it’s a huge step for a man to choose any single woman and say ‘lets do this forever’, much less to choose a woman who gave him the cold shoulder back when she thought she had ‘better options’ than commitment, security, stability, and a purpose for living and loving.. recalibrate attraction triggers by changing the venues where she meets and talks to men. however, since there’s a bit of a discussion i thought i’d add some quick thoughts. yes there is a variety of explnations used in how it is that men are to blame for the things in which a woman lacks depending on one’s ‘version’ of feminism, but don’t all feminist arguments start with a comparison of men and women, and the women being the lesser of the two, a balance that needs to be corrected? as i was saying earlier the only reason a man has for marrying a woman is to have a uterus on had to grow his children in. changes that come from applying the gospel in romantic relationships (hereafter referred to as agrr) as opposed to game are subtle. a 30 year old woman is not going to pull the hot men she did when she was 22. you marry young and spend/save responsibly you can have children and then spend midlife travelling like what my parents and grandparents did. i have no reason to think, based on what she’s posted here so far, that wyst’s case is any exception.@monad, i’ll check that out, & thanks to the other poster for the definition earlier, i think i see what you mean. a family were facing financial difficulties and/or the husband loses his job or becomes ill and unable to work, do you not think that he and his family would benefit from his wife being able to work and/or furthering her education? would i chop a limb or die to save her life? berlin was rebuilt in a day after the devastation of world war ii, and a there is no “quick fix” for a human life that has suffered from years of destructive behavior. i know that when i was in my early-mid 20’s, i never really had much interest in anyone more than a couple years older, but as i entered my late 20’s (29 now), an age difference of 10 plus years does not seem significant at all. all that is necessary for a woman to be approached, is physical attraction. but if they do, i’ve recopied them here, with the translations:–”let’s just be friends. the most important thing to me is that i can trust him, we can make each other laugh, and he is kind. hopeful, i’m a (fully-involved) father, not just a “sperm donor” (and banker). and all the other girls start looking at the rest of the guys. single woman are quite easy to catch, compared to early & mid 20yo. usually to the time it takes a woman to get pregnant but by 40 it’s a year and a half.“in the manosphere you will hear how marriage sucks for men. she’ll just put on a show for her own advantage. what i am not is the woman who gets invited to a party and walks around every corner greeting everyone and asking them “are you married? is correct- i dont have any experience or insight that i can share on what makes a woman stop having children., i’m a woman, and my radar went nuts when i read about your lawsuit and rape. thug jumps out, attacks her, drags her behind a car and rapes her. now she buys her own drinks half the time and rarely gets a dinner. should she get all the rewards of this institution after obviously pissing away the best years of her life travelling, career, finding herself and whatever else occurred in that decade. men on this site don’t seem to fall into that extreme of a belief system, but i have encountered plenty of men in the “manosphere” who do feel exactly this way. so not much interest in a women in her late thirties unless she actually is that special, rather than just thinking she’s that special (when she isn’t) as many women do. once tried an introduction service where i paid damn good money……….’s another problem with daughters of divorce:The daughter of divorce almost always has deep, deep trust issues, especially towards men. history of bad decisions you speak of consists of marrying a lifelong friend, a woman who i had know literally my entire life and dated for years. that young man can just get his shit together and marry the 35 year old cougar when she is good and ready!“the lord our father is supposed to give us good gifts, is my ex wife a good gift? some are even in arrangements where the financial divide is exactly 50/50 and sometimes even more. have to figure that if a bad method of argument persists, there’s a good chance that the bad method has been successful. but if at the end of the process you can’t fall head over heels in love with the man, my advice would be to stop there. and especially have to go to other countries and take advantage of people suffering financial hardships. beyond physical attraction which is subconsciously tied to reproductive drives, there can be love that goes much deeper. out what is being said here and why and you will actually make huge strides towards fixing your life and having a happy marriage one day.“in my view, a woman does not need to ratchet up her confidence or her self esteem to be with a high value man. views on cfbc people and motherhood are changing, although not surprisingly they remain the same in this group of men who hold true to the traditional marriage roles. exactly does a reasonably attractive woman spend 15 years of her life with men vying for her attention and not run across one man worth marrying?“physical traits aside, the other issue i wanted to address is the idea that all women want to have children. the comments critique women’s immoral down to the last detail, but even if a woman comes along saying “i read this and i understand more than ever now that i’ve screwed up, can i make up for my past somehow given your insight into the problem”…she gets told off and wrung out for her tears. they cannot conceive of it being either desirable or necessary for a woman to “submit. men left to decide if they want a woman who was on that carousel that everyone keeps talking about; however, is 300% less likely to divorce him and crush him in family court -or- play rush and roulette with the younger and more virtuous woman that has been raised on a healthy diet of house wives of whatever and other reality tv and rag mags are out there. we don’t need to here about all the ways men like you devalue us. greatest achievement of the feminist movement – apart from providing hours of fun laughing at their absurdities by giving the q36b hamsterlator a work-out – is to convince men that most women are sluts (or otherwise damaged goods) whom it is not worth a man’s trouble treating as anything than pump and dump material – not if you value your sanity and your wallet. she may succeed in reeling the sucker in, or he may bail and leave her, now with two kids from two different fathers. i don’t consider 5 yrs either way an age difference anyway so i don’t get it. i want to fully experience a relationship, sex and all the other wonderful things.  this is true for men and women of any age looking to marry, but given the amount of focus on women in their 30s in this regard i suspect there is at least a kernel of truth to the stereotype. i am the type of guy who gets tattoos, an so is your doctor, teacher, lawyer, and yes the stereotypical biker, gang member and convict. he does not want a family so it rather looks as if he has acquired a substitute mother – someone to boss him around.(spare me the “you can’t handle a strong independent woman” speech. to say, she regrets her first divorce and hates the ex-husband from the second marriage. they see the divorce, the delayed marriage, the low quality of men around them; the general disinterest many young men have in education, hard work, marriage and fatherhood.” and why do you consider her “worthless” if she’s not? i’ll toot my own horn here: i’m 30 and flat out gorgeous. the vast majority of my job is gathering and relaying clinical/social outcomes from clinical/scientific/social studies & medical journals regarding in organ transplantation(the transplant teams range from world thought leaders specifically genomic / proteomic research to case workers). and nobody here is encouraging men to support single mothers and their children, rather the opposite. it is only in recent years though the fashion seems to have declined somewhat recently that woman would seek either real or artificial tans.  another thing you have nothing in common and your not as viral as a younger man. i ended up getting twice as many messages from men my own age, who didn’t want to admit that they were one of “those” guys who can’t handle a woman their own age.) alternatively, find a woman with whom you can have just a religious ceremony, with no marriage license/registration with the state (and no children, probably). a lot of women think there is this ultra ultra ultra specific “guy” and he’s somehow going to meet all their ginormous (fantasy) “requirements” and so they say no to every single guy and it’s no wonder they are constantly always single and in extremely short term relationships. out a tired feminist trope that was old 20 years ago is really not useful to the anonymous woman in question, in my opinion. the church has not proved to be much of a bulwark against it, either. other met her husband when she was 31 and in graduate school. remember that woman crave power over men, and men ignoring them drives them nuts. – can you see how strange it is that you wrap up your comments by telling others not to judge but your entire post is nothing but some terrible judgements on women? how about one called ‘guess my age’ or “age anonymous” where you don’t disclose your age upfront? but as you guys have pointed out, pretty and nice have to come with other characteristics like submission and domestic skills to be considered long term. it is hard because in the old world, or in foreign places, there is an effort to preserve women and groom them for marriage, so that there is enough to go around, and you don’t have to worry about a woman cheating. while some evidence suggests this view is on the decline (ryder 1990), the role of motherhood to female identity is still widely perceived as. with nobody knowing she is dead until the odor of her decomposing body comes through the walls of her dwelling? they should be overjoyed that a man not old enough to be their father is contacting them and at least send back an e-mail, even if the whole process doesn’t get to the dating phase. and don’t let any other girls see you doing it. granted, some voiced opposition, but most were surprisingly supportive, and there were even a few who had similar views.’t tell you don’t know women well, neither do your friends, or whoever men you are claiming to agree with you. so, a large part of the “strong, independent, powerful” woman we see is a result of dads egging daughters on to achieve, to learn, to earn, and to stand on her own two feet. at it from a different light- what would be said of a man who wanted to marry a women but didnt want to have sexual intercourse with her or did not want to provide for her ? the truth is, it is more of an excuse than a legitimate reason for anyone, man or woman, to exclude a member of the opposite sex, based on age. her children are young and her spouse has a full time job. marriage is one long sloggy drudgery after another in which the husband is a crass, unemployed, knuckle dragging neanderthal with a seventh grade education, a wife-beater t-shirt barely concealing a beer gut, and three days of facial hair growth shouting “go fetch me a turkey pot pie, wench! how and when and where it occurred should stay between the two of you. the reason for that is that a woman’s window of “good” fertility is maaaaaybe two decades., this is also common in upper income families where their whole day is shopping, lunch, and pampering (i saw quite a bit of this is scottsdale, az).’m definitely not where you are because where i’m at, the women don’t gravitate towards baking but …. i agree that most 40+ men don’t like to go to clubs to dance, but neither do i. i don’t know if he has more on other sites, but i don’t care to look, because his profile clearly says, no. took issue with the statistic i quoted from the scholarly journal “american demographics,” but only offered your unsupported speculation about why one woman in five remains childless. seems to be a common problem among women that they believe there is an abundance of good looking, wealthy, interesting and attractive men who will be waiting with arms outstretched when they are done riding the carousel. women will not tell each other how they’ve been mistreated when a prima facie hookup doesn’t pan out as anything but a hookup. i know some guys in their 30’s and 40’s who have the view that woman do expire, however i know a lot more men that love a woman for actually being a woman. but you didn’t like it when she critized your choices so perhaps you shouldn’t do the same thing to her you didn’t want done to you.@ michael (and the men here), if a woman tells you she misses you, and you respond with ‘i know. that whole sex in the city stuff, woman (should be) past that crap. they’re saying what they think sounds right rather than simply saying what they’re thinking. you pride yourself on being a soldier, but you come here and profess cowardice, spite, regret, bitterness, and envy. yeah, i know, but she was mature for her age, her parents approved, and indeed, had raised her to expect it. michael and michael singer are alluding to (well, i’m interpreting it as allusion, because otherwise i think they’re just wrong) is that it is generally not a good idea to marry a woman who is severely damaged, and they are right that the more partners a woman has the more damaged she will become.” there is nothing wrong with being a good wife but you don’t have to tolerate disrespect just because someone’s paying your bills. ray writes: “i’d never want to take the place of a man who managed to get a woman to yearn so long for him. people would only focus on making each other happy, then all would be well. you’re speaking for red-pill guys in saying that you all agree that “the institution of marriage is dead”, can i ask you in all honesty what the point of complaining about the status quo here is about? is hardly a website where romance springs eternal; and frequented by gold-digging bitches.[d: you don’t buy that lia is really a 26 year old woman who just happens to harbor great resentment against middle aged men for being able to date and make babies with other women her age? now the majority of women can’t cook, are reluctant mothers and value their careers more than love. any individual woman or man has a say in when and if they have children. anyway, carolina is only twenty-eight so she has plenty of time to marry and divorce and have a child or children as there are an excess of guys only too keen to man-up and marry, but who cannot find any woman who will even give them the time of day. i doubt i would want to marry anyone who would have sex with me prior to marriage since that would show that sex inside marriage is not really that big a deal for her.: there is such a case on file where a drunk man was raped against his will by a woman acquaintance. they just shack up together (for whatever reason, maybe they just want ot save money? one here is telling any 30+ woman that she needs to settle and that she can’t have the best in life. if she’s saving herself for marriage, and yet the decades roll by and never marries, something is usually wrong; either she’s just not that interested in men/marriage/sex, or her expectations of a man are simply ridiculous (the proverbial 463 point checklist). next time you talk with him, when there is a pause in the conversation, slip in something like, “so… does your offer to watch the (comedian’s) movies at your place still stand? the risk of inching back toward to the topic of the thread (/hat-tip to casey), it is incontrovertible that a non-trivial percentage of women of child-bearing age do not wish to become mothers. its a good idea to reference your reason with scripture (ie “that appears to have been successfully completed – there is no reason to think it still applies. i got tired of making grey trailers for crappy movies , and went into event coordination ( not party planning) where i represented venues, and built on my contacts from entertainment i had a good customer base.“my third live-in boyfriend raped me at age 27, and again there was another psychological shift.  if they could go either way, they could list “unsure”. know you are sexually suppressed now because obviously (from previous comments) you can’t control yourself around things that “feel nice”, so you sustain all together. and, if it’s any consolation to my short brethern, at 6’3″ i had almost no success with women… until i started making good money. she can’t wait for suitable men to ask her out. what most of them seem to be looking for is a younger woman who doesn’t want kids. while i recognize now that you are not here to claim to know what all men want, many here do seem to claim to know and understand how all women work and think. as a woman a smart move to “save” marriage (and this goes for you wannabe christians actual churchians calling yourself traditional saving civilization) would be rather than play pick the right woman games have the laws of misandry removed . i’ve known women who were regularly approached by good men they considered “beneath” their notice — and yet would turn around and complain that there were “no men. far i haven’t talked about black women who are a complete train wreck in this country and i won’t consider them for even dog catcher at this point.“a man should marry a woman his own age, the older men get the harder it is,”. another friend was a rather committed bachelor until his mid forties when he met a very attractive and pleasant woman in her early thirties, maybe even late twenties. those who were freaked out by jdm’s comment,“for the record i have recently heard or read someplace that the average age of a girl to loose her virginity used to be 16/17, and in the past decade apparently about 90%of girls under 14 have had sex! if the thirty something woman is able and willing to offer all the above traits (and many are) then why is it so unfathomable to some that she could (and often does) find a match with such a man? i swear jdm’s hitting on you, she says you cant afford her 200,000 a year & you’ll have to do better then venice beach …. nothing straight forward, passive aggressive, say one thing do another. the great majority of children born to married couples are born during their first marriage, when the parents are up to about thirty five years old, most couples in a second marriage do not have common children to bind them together.“i also personally like being able to refer to her as my wife as opposed to my girlfriend and like the idea of openly showing a commitment to each other through the ceremony of marriage in the presence of our close friends and family.  i have raised one child, i don’t want another. she is getting increasingly insecure because of rapidly losing her beauty as a result of age and giving birth.’m not saying i’m an expert or that i have all the answers, but i think the way men can tell the difference between the types is just to pay attention to what she views as important, her values, if she pays attention to you and is not self-absorbed, expresses gratitude, is helpful to you and others, is kind, loyal, and doesn’t judge what you do for a living, where you live, the kind of car you drive, the clothes you wear, etc, then i think it’s a safe bet that she’s not one of those women with a sense of entitlement and outrageous demands. alot of people confuse the idea that a love for a woman’s body is an actual love and appreciation for her as a woman.“when we were in our mid 20s he once remarked that women our age were not mature enough to marry and have kids with. solid men have a sense of duty and loyalty to good people a young woman submits to her man as she ages the man will love her when she is no longer young and beautiful in appearance. i’d suggest anon eschew sex for a while and find out how serious her dates are about marriage, either directly or with some game. lots of us women have grown up while watching our mothers spend 20+ years raising kids, day and night, always putting others before them- which was very sweet of them- but also seen our dads not doing this- leaving us kids or just spending their days as they wished(formally a father, but not putting in that many hours neither in child upbringing nor housekeeping), coming home expecting the moms to do everything. i tend to find that woman who have degrees and the like are intimidated by any man no less well qualified and smart than they are. is a lot of difference in the descriptions we use here as opposed to the definitions you try to foist on us. superior from my previous job is still with her boyfriend of whom is only working part time. hate spam as much as you do, therefore i will never sell, rent, or give away your email address. most woman are more than capable of having healthy children to around age 40. rounding up, that’s four women on the entire planet, and since i’m married to one of them, that means there are only three left. this is universally true unless perhaps the woman was really fat in her 20s and then lost the weight in her 30s or had surgery to fix some type of hideous physical deformity. she wants emotional ammo to use against the impending sense of doom that is falling upon her; when it is precisely that fear that could break through the narcissistic tendencies that our society constantly trains us in. they–and you here–are claiming it as some sort of moral high(er) ground. i say enjoy the realization that you’ll be single until its fairly obvious you biologically can’t have children or you better start considering men who married early, had children early but finds himself divorced in his mid to late 30’s.’s why you have a husband, he prepares you, matures you, & forces you to grow mentally as a woman, so you have capabilities to have a child. you need to look good, be nice, widen your attraction filters, and offer him something other than your body. news flash, ladies, there aren’t enough to go around. one of the single dads has the same kind of snake i do for his daughter and we’re in the same field so i wont lie that there is a bit of an interest there on my part so i’ll make an effort to be approachable and sweet to him today if he’s attending. unfortuntely, she has suffered from bad fibroids in the womb all her life.: you say, “we may look like your fathers, but we are so much more…with caring, sensitive and even vibrancy”.  there is solid research that shows that some problems increase exponentially with dad’s age (especially bipolar). i am married father of 3 and a soldier in the war on men. thing i have observed (in real life) is an alpha male getting tired of their alpha female (not sure if that term applies) even though the girl is hot and there are children involved with the pair. to popular deti/manosphere assertion, most women understand that they will have to marry a mere mortal man, with all that the imperfection and humanity that comes with him. i never had to excersiize and never weighed above 110,now i have not only passed the age of 30, but i have also out on 15 pounds) i have also turned 31 and have been put into this class of ” desperate woman over 30″. a woman should never marry a man she cannot train to understand and love her fully, on the other hand she must train herself to be valued and remove her low self worth as taught by society. you haven’t figured it out yet – there is double standard with women “they reserve the right to change their mind at any time”. i never said it was easy for a woman in her 30s to attract a man. i don’t disagree, i’ll have to read and reflect though on whether the two scenarios are identical. but even with her knowing who i am – i still cannot be the one shes picks until she turns 30 something?) – but i am afraid the career was stillborn, doubtless her insecurity was not a help. when choice is limited decisions are easy: when women in their forties are still dithering, they will never decide any more than they ever did. this action would still likely not have happened without support from a wide range of sources, including (unfortunately) my now previous church that preaches “no divorce” but never reinforced that with her. she has indiscriminate slut sex, she lives only in the moment, doesn’t value herself, and doesn’t understand long range ramifications of current decisions. there was a time when women were held to a much higher standard. but after i left the doctors i saw her again. me to add a couple observations of behaviors that scream “low esteem” and automatically detract points from a woman:– plastic surgery of any kind. a woman’s ‘pleasantness’ (for lack of a better word) largely determines which things my eyes seem to pay the most attention too. having to rely on “reading iois” and other such things opens a lot of areas for mistakes. (this, by the way, is perhaps the ultimate measure of feminism’s short-term success: getting men to instinctively and reflexively despise and distrust each other. does a woman desperate in her thirties wanting to have a wedding and a kid really believe in love and marriage? perhaps she herself is culturally conservative and wishes advice from people like herself? but since you’ve been here a year, you know how devastating divorce is. yet even this can be ruined if she is fat, deliberately trashes herself, cuts her hair off, gets tattooes. she has a great career, she owns her own home, she has a personal trainer at the gym, maintains good friends and family. if children are not important to a man and/or woman, then his reasons for marrying just diminished significantly. have several online dating accounts and as a mid-30s man, i have seen multiple posts talking about how bad 40+ men are. my third live-in boyfriend raped me at age 27, and again there was another psychological shift..that’s not an “older woman”…how old was the woman that had your child? perhaps it is something some of the men on here may understand more than others. shortly thereafter, her husband dies of cancer and she gets some cats to replace him. i did say in my previous post that i understand women in 20s have the most options when it comes to marriage, i disagree with you that women in their 30s who are in ltrs or engaged to men of their own age groups are just exceptions. that is why i wanted to know where everyone was from. what makes it worse is that we skew these things into a woman’s perspective and they mutate into some weird form of what they originally started as. #2 involves no sacred act, no union, not even a goverment sanctioned civil ceremony between he and her. i went into the date with the intention of taking things very slow and continuing to date other women until i found the right person for me, but things we her just worked right from the start.“any man who says he’s in love with a woman after one date is mentally unbalanced. be relaxed with your approach rather than advertise yourself, and you might hit it off with someone here that one day allows you to be the mother of his 5 children 🙂. she has every right and in fact the obligation to give her husband sound and wise advice and counsel on such major matters. all women tend to turn into their mothers (as wilde dismally observed) so getting to observe mother is important and yet there are exceptions. i’ve never been to a meeting of cfbc people, although they have them near where i live. however, you admit that you never had a single conversation about your future family before marrying her. one of my closest buddies married a terrific single mom and they also had a child together when he was late 20s and she mid 30s. it could be this attitude that drives girls to the carousel, among other things. eligible men:As many others have already said, your first challenge will be to figure out what your priorities are in a husband so you can make the best “deal” possible.  there are many problems associated with men having children over 40 no matter the woman’s age: decreased fertility, significant increases in many diseases/disorders, and the fact that the man may not have the energy/be around long enough to take care of the children. it’s clear that he knows, on some level, that he made massive mistakes in his life, primarily concerning this woman he had the misfortune to be entrapped by. so there really is someone for everyone if they want it are prepared to make an effort and not reject on the basis that the guy has failed to reach a suitable score on her 365 bullet-point checklist. it’s likely some random white knight man posting, or a really good feminist woman. but you need to seek therapy, get over that relationship and stop pretending that every women in the world is like you ex, because not all women are like that!  while eligible men may be harder to locate and attract for a woman in her 30s than they were in her 20s, i think her ability to pair bond within her own “marriage league” is the far bigger challenge.’re hoping for a man that will provide for you, protect you, cherish you, and that you can admire. a man who wants deference from his partner is going to be a problem for his woman in the long run. i am otherwise healthy and although pregnancy and childbirth will carry some risk, the genetic risk factor is out. why should he saddle himself with a woman who is likely to be unable or unwilling to give that to him? the reassuring news is, of course, that over the decades the quality of the men the woman can pull will gradually decrease, as the alphas are replaced by the scum-bags and toy-boys, and lost causes. he changes rules and practices in training her up when need be and when he sees they are not working. not that there is anything wrong not being as attractive as you were when you were younger. again, great to see some open-mindedness (unfortunately, i tend to see the opposite on this forum) but i’m still confused by how it seems to contradict some of the other seemingly closely held views that i’ve come across on this forum about the kinds of men women over 30 are able to attract. i suspect what’s really going on many times is that her standards are still sky high as they were when she was 22 and the world was her sexual oyster. if you have your independence down i would just look to see what others are thinking as you have down and feel secure in knowing you made the right choice. suspect the women in their 30s in ltrs or engaged to men of a similar age group are outliers, and that you are talking about your own experience or “sex and the city”. she has probably had a number of sex partners, because almost no woman in this smp makes it to 30 without at least one sex partner, and probably more than that.“those characteristics are certainly a better thing for her to care about than some of the other things women are drawn to. i don’t know the anonymous woman’s location and it’s not my business. though many of the young princesses you note would not even try to pretend to have that attitude, so that ironically helps a searcher. there are the marriage which have failed but don’t end up in divorce, which seems to be 50% of more of the “successful” marriages. i admit too, that i do not go to gatherings alone unless i know at least one person there. she found a reformed guy – no surprises there – and they promptly married. that you have ended up here suggests that advice in this area is what you are seeking so your views as to dalrock’s errors would be of inestimable interest to us. a woman i can say that everything that apparentely you try to offer to your ex-wive and she didn’t value, was everything that i tried my ex-boyfriend to offer me, and what he said to me was that he sees no value in a woman that stay in home with kids and that if i thought that it that what’s gonna happen, that i was fully mistaken, because he wanted someone that (listen to this guys…)could earn at least as much as he does!’d like to make sure i’ve clearly understood the above points you’ve tried to convey, so i’ll paraphrase and please feel free to tell me where/if i’m wrong. i would love to see if the character of such a woman would make a great wife” just come out and say so. last time i was there was on new years’ day to welcome 2014:). the 1980s, 15 states—arkansas, california, connecticut, hawaii, illinois, louisiana, maryland, massachusetts, montana, new jersey, new york, ohio, rhode island, texas and west virginia—have passed laws that require insurers to either cover or offer coverage for infertility diagnosis and treatment. can’t help but observe that the view of women and marriage put forward here — that women owe men some sort of deference for deigning to put up with them seems rather bleak and joyless for all concerned. you seem too together to allow yourself to be trapped in situation like that. there is a giant tranche of men who are 6’s and 7’s who are going to be competing for a much smaller tranche of 6-7 level of sexual attractiveness in women. how wilt thou say to thy brother, let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? i am the woman who will say things like “that a nice dress/shirt” etc (and i will mean it), and usually the other person talks more than i do after i say that, which kind of helps. although these roles may have provided legitimacy for those who eschewed motherhood, they were defined by loss, self-sacrifice, and/or the nurturing of others’ children. there are many risks associated with older fathers such as aspergers, schizophrenia, muscular dystrophy. game is about action towards the benefit of yourself, and the gospel is about action towards the benefit of others; in this case, a wife. for example, even if the girl who grew up in a trailer park, goes on to earn good grades, attends and graduates college, gets a good job and income, and is generally doing well for herself, that still isn’t good enough for some men to consider her for marriage. your gender fret about where the money will come from after divorce? the real problem is that for many, if not most, women this point almost certainly comes after it would do any good for the woman. should be the ones doing the most to delegitimize single-mothers-by-choice, for they eat up the resources that would (and should) go to widows with children…. so, there are wonderful, faithful women out there that don’t mind marrying a man who makes less and doesn’t mind being head of household. and, since telepathy is unreliable at best, a woman near the wall as is hopeful has to tell phs she wants kids.” i am a busy 30’s single professional woman and eventhough i meet and talk to a ton of people on a daily basis i know i need to put myself out there and make more of an effort and show that i would actually like to meet someone one day., were any woman who worked in the northern virginia / dc / pg county area, or the nyc metro area, to ask the questions she has asked, i’d suggest right up front trying to find a way to move. she believes she can do better than the current slob she has and cheats on her husband a few times before she runs out of her sexual currency. deti, you should have stopped the second her hamster started. she does not say that they were in any formal sense engaged to be married, so it is difficult to know exactly what that promise amounted to; further, although she is twenty-eight and has been at college since at least the age of twenty, if not before, she still has no degree – well i don’t know of any degrees that take more than five years and most only take three. the last thing i will share is even though it is more difficult in your 30s it doesn’t mean it isn’t possible. which i gave consideration a couple of times, found they hadn’t changed and were looking for a placeholder, and just stopped giving consideration to any other exes, because it kept playing out the same. you are attacking this woman because of her odd name, which happens to be her married name. it’s also encouraging me to be a bit more proactive about other activities “in real life” as well. was curious about that term and actually looked it up, i didn’t come across any definition that defined “phreak” as a “sling figure of speech for a very sexual woman. he most likely doesn’t want kids at all and just used her tubal ligation as an easy excuse to break it off, thereby turning it back on her. there is a reason for it but what i’m most interested in is that there emotionally happy group of people that are childless and that i find is interesting. take a class, learn a new hobby, keep yourself interesting to you, and others will want to be apart of that. my argument in fact is quite the other way around. all looking to get laid under the pretense of a relationship (giving her just the excuse she needs). did anyone see that movie secretary; that is how it should be, – and yet another alpha called (edward) grey; that maggie gyllenhaal was cute however, and not a degree to her name. don’t have much to add beyond what’s been said (feministhater did a particularly good take-down), except to stress that a woman in her 30’s looking to marry ought to be asking herself the question everyone asks of men: “what do you bring to the table? 42, moving down market would mean accepting a woman in her 30’s with pre-teen children without any chance of having your own children.“that is, becoming married for american men is now an act of insanity if producing children is unlikely, and a woman already in her thirties is pushing the limits of potentially giving a husband children…1) tell any prospective husband that she absolutely wants children, and that she would not feel any need to delay starting to have them. thank god, good old feminism got here sooner than you! there was no need for a hyphen your sentence, you forgot the closing parentheses, a period, as well as the apostrophe in couldn’t. men would find something stir in them at the prospect of becoming a father. addition, what mother would abort / kill her unborn child for sake of convenience / birth control? and woman in countries like south/central america, africa,asia, and the middle east most have their children very late. when i was 46 my husband went through his mid life crisis., you and the others who pointed this out are quite right.– masquerade as a white knight male insisting a woman is not “damaged goods” who doesn’t want children due to it is her choice and the consequences of her previous actions/lifestyle having nothing to do with it. so, you see, here you are dealing with two men who have extensive hobbies/way of life, and you are either on board or off with this. if you marry this girl, you are no longer my son, you are no longer our brother. my observation -more girls with their boyfriends than the other way around. this isn’t about some “i am woman, hear me roar,rah rah rah” feminist argument, it’s just about pulling my own weight and fairness. one could only feel sorry, for clearly she wanted a boyfriend but everyone avoided her – yet, lo and behold, that is exactly what she has achieved – he is not very prepossessing but he is her age and not fat and you can see them walking together hand-in-hand. she and her husband, david, married in 2008 and hoped to start having children quickly, in part because men in his family have died in their 40s. seems to be a very different attitude displayed for the woman who justifiably seeks a man to whom there is some argument she is owned marriage (cf. point is there are a whole lot of factors that going into a successful marriage, you just have to expound on which version: yours or his? like how you tried to be nice and describe a situation where a woman at 30+ is marriageable and once you really thought about it it kinda came apart on you. the difference, is that a man is still capable of giving a woman many years of marriage and children and support in his 30s, whereas a woman is incapable of giving a man anything like the lionshare of her youth, beauty, and fertility. also ran into a series of women who either couldn’t have children or had one child and then had to have their reproductive system removed. if i knew her from before – she would still continue beautiful at 31 and beyond. some don’t learn to possess this self-confidence and worthiness until they’re in their late 20s-early 30s, but by then a lot of these women are just dismissed as being “worthless” “dried-up” or have “hit the wall. this man sucked the youth out of her and guess what? the article was in the line of ‘heavy used to be hot’, afterall the average woman had 36-38 inch hips in past eras too. if there is no abuse or cheating then stay the he** married, yes marriages is hard, but so is everything in life. even if she only worked a few years prior to starting a family, she could still manage to put away a substantial amount of income that would no doubt be beneficial to her family and household. adornment must not be merely external—braiding the hair, and wearing gold jewelry, or putting on dresses (ie dont dress like a typical woman as in many parts of the usa). my point: i’m tired of bitter, disillusioned men calling women a gold digger, lumping/ judging women when there could be a million reasons why the relationship did not work out., what lisa and melanie both overlook is what lisa uncovered herself:Lets not magically forget here that most 35+ men aren’t dating/procreating drastically younger women. you are on your second marriage – the stats are against you and there is a strong chance you will use this against your husband given the bias against men in the court system. where the posts have gone from there, who set the new tone of this site?

Dating in Your 30s vs. 20s

a study in hull, england found the average time it takes a 40 year old to get  a woman pregnant is 2 years, regardless of the woman’s age. are exceptional women who can look reasonable at that age, but they still don’t compare to a woman in her prime. which is why i asked where very one is living. i don’t think you want to be outdone by a woman monetarily. there are “exceptions to the rules”, i am referring to the “general rule of thumb”. let her continue to ride the cad alpha male carousel and pay her not one more bit of attention.“i will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully. america a man in his 20s and 30s with a good sex drive is seen as sexy. so called article or long winded advice is the same kind of crap that a group potetial snot nose spinsters put together in morning boardroom brain storming sessions at those over priced girlie fashion magazine. as a man who “paid the price” after marrying a strong independent woman (tm), but now wants to be married again, i can tell you that women clearly do not want to be in a traditional marriage. previous post:why do women in their 30s not want to date men in their 40s? nails what i wanted to say; make sure you at least take a look around one’s own church (synagogue, whatever) and other organizations in your faith first. as a woman, i desire a few things that are not traditional, but alas, the reality has long since changed and ppl haven’t come to terms with it. think your first notion about mary was probably the correct one… that she’s stuck in the default cultural mindset rather than acting as a deliberate troll. perhaps a pump and dump or a few late night upgrades aspecially if she is gifted in the use of her slot a and i dont mean talking. and as for my daughter’s father, he’s been out of the picture completely for 7 or 8 years. this requires time, observation, and lots of prayer to actually know(de-facto) if the other person is a “committed christian” and equally yoked material. this woman; she is nothing but a cautionary tale for this website. the women here do not exist to be walking wombs to carry on your genetic line. child suffering from dwarfism…father was 59 the woman was only 21 again…what a waste…., even there, a substantial percentage are not virgins at marriage, either because they didn’t get religion til a little later in life, or because they walked out of church in their late teens and slutted around for a decade or so, before coming home to church to find a husband. healthy woman grows up as a girl under the tutelage and protection of a kind, strong, masculine father. worked as an elementary education teacher, past career as professional dancer and dance teacher. i don’t care about all the cool people you’ve met or the places you’ve traveled to or the things you did while you were there. there are quite a few childfree women and men who know that this statement is complete nonsense. why is this, for the non math geniuses out there?–divorced/widowed men with children in which you assume the stepmother role. he’s already getting everything he wants (sex, her acting as wife) and nothing he doesn’t want (being locked into a legal commitment). you are not even accurately citing actual facts about men’s biology, choosing to hold tight onto your fantasy of what you want your’s and other men’s biological worth to be vs the reality of what medical science proves to be true about the reprocusions of older men being irresponsible in farthering children. advice is well meaning, but besides considering older men and possibly divorced with children (which i agree with) most of your advice to hopeful seems tailor made to encourage her to marry some guy she isn’t really into and will find it hard to remain with simply for the sake of getting a man. it is through the husband/father a healthy family will succeed and your children will be best served.“here is another study…why men and woman should be the same age, they do go though changes rougly the same time:””.……you will have to convince a prospective candidate that there is much in it for him. rather than arguing over percentages that neither of us can prove, all i can suggest is that skeptics do an internet search for “child free by choice. then there are the costs and the other sides costs if you lose will be your responsibility also. he did not say anything about it, but responded to other matters we had talked about…food, a bit of religion and travel etc. she could barely even remember what it was like living with her husband. piercings are basically feminine in culture so i don’t care if other parts are pierced but certain parts do seem to scream slut. i thought that since i was an attractive, fit, well-educated, financially and emotionally secure guy that i would have no problem finding a woman in her mid 30s to settle down with and start a family. other point: any ‘sphere’ where losers like you feel free to run their mouths is not a ‘manosphere’ – it’s a loser-sphere. insult to injury is to take his girlfriend’s reputation and smear it publicly as far and wide as he can manage, so that no one living within a 1000-mile radius of the woman will go near her – efforts to repair her life be damned. good, marriage minded guys will always observe you quietly from a distance at first; if they see something that they don’t like, they’ll turn their attention elsewhere. there are plenty of women who would love to be with a successful older (but not-so-old) man, especially one who wants a family. why not just accept that it is another person with different views on life? creates a highly hostile environment for the husband, & causes him huge amounts of distress having to deal with a woman, who’s never been taught how to have a relationaship with a man. subject of marriage without children is a whole different discussion and i don’t have the time nor the desire to get into that here. made a observation that of her females friends – the females that own cats are more solitary and cruel to guys (again my experience also). (dead giveaway is when you’re dating or just married and her family members back home start suddenly dying in large numbers and she wants you to give her money to send home “for the funerals.“sure there are men who can be selective about dating. who endlessly debate with people they accuse of being trolls are either lying to themselves and do not actually believe the person is a troll or too stupid to realize that it is pointless to argue with a troll. find it funny and hypocritical that women have higher expectations for men than what they have for themselves. the hamster is used as a metaphor for this process — as in the mental picture of the hamster running at top speed on its hamster wheel, yet getting essentially nowhere. i needed to get back into the dating scene and there were many other attributes i found very attractive in her. never heard of those types before but i think that is where you find your place to meet and greet. i found interesting about wyst’s followup comments was that she blames her husband 100% for the divorce. it’s just about her and not about the person “loved”. preferably from a christian woman, but if not, from any woman with the right experience and frame of mind. is my long winded way of saying that on average, for the “typical” man and woman, both of them will be happier and better off if he is perceived as the leader of the family. still, it’s a good wakeup call, as they are by defnition men who are interested in her and willing to be patient with whatever bad behavior led to her being unsuitable for marriage when she was at her peak. i do think there are certainly “exceptions to the rules” in regard to woman not wanting children (ie . i personally might not want to “get it on” with such people (although i am sure there are people who do), but they still may have a lot to offer to society at large. everyone around her will see she is wrong; if for no other reason than to make themselves feel better about their own choices. the men here have actual experience with actual women too. that it has been 4 years, she has lost her attraction to her husband (dr helen fisher discovered that women run out of attraction chemicals in their brains after around 4 years and then seek a new man. u are as sweet and pretty as u say u are, and if u have deflated that narcissistic ego that most girls get when they get hit on a lot, then there is a small window of opportunity that u can live a happy life with a guy who u would have rejected in your prime., you obviously are attracted to a somewhat alpha woman who is competitive either by looks or performance. is just my view; there are any number of castrated feminised men who read this blog who will tell you otherwise, and who are happy to go with undesirable women, but you are not such a woman, are you? then when that guy got tired of me, it was on to another one, an alpha who knew me from college. know you like the conversation but try not play dumb here. that he will be a passing fancy is not merely indicated by their age gap (six years is far too old when he is only twenty-eight – for a man dating a thirty four year old with a child is liking dating your mother – i know: i did the same at his age) but her acknowledgement that one day he will make a good husband to some younger woman. the cold cruel truth is that most women look better in their late teens than at any other time in their life… because that’s when they are healthiest and most fertile. i’m not sure i agree with his stance that “every single time [he has] seen a woman say “i dont want kids” it has been a flat out lie,”.“participants with tattoos and/or body piercings were more likely to have engaged in risk-taking behaviors and at greater degrees of involvement than those without either. apparently, he did not feel comfortable dating a woman of a different religion. and very few women, even in the manosphere, want white weddings to mean what they used to any more. they are often divorced, with kids already, so they’d love to find an attractive lady in her 30s who won’t pressure them for more children. you think they help you, but they don’t because they cockblock for you and make it tougher for worthy men to approach you. is where you try to reframe what i am saying, because you don’t like it, and because you don’t want her to be saved. final nail in the coffin is the majority of society – friends, relatives, criminal courts – siding with the man against the woman. from what it sounds like it is a much older man and younger woman. suppose a woman find herself in the same situation and turns down a man she is not attracted to and feels no chemistry with, but instead of her choice being met with tolerance and understanding like the man’s choice, she is branded as shallow and superficial? we could be talking about a woman who has just a little bit more., that’s a great way to spin it, especially the part about “simply looking for a woman who might be willing to be submissive” – fifty shades of grey being so popular with the wymminz these days. you are the problem here, and i’m ending the problem by getting rid of you. i would rather you come over we watch and laugh than bothering with a bunch of strangers at the movies’. is pure hypocrisy to have higher standards than what you have for yourself. older men (among even my early 30s guy friends), they tend to wanna be couch potatoes and home-bound. it will never abide the peace and security of an obedient and repentant child (in god the fathers kingdom). women enjoy traditional gender roles more than others, so this must be considered. this same woman was soon making a false rape allegation against my friend – which happily came to other nothing – but it was all of a piece with her nuttiness, i tend to think. i would add that that instability increases depending on the age difference between her and him. something else i would like to add, i would have had no problem being ( for lack for a better way to simplify this concept) ‘barefoot and pregnant cooking, keeping the house, and actually being there to raise children’ i think the fact that woman have held such and importance on their career has been part of the downfall of the american children growing up in the younger generations. however, just like i think a man saying any woman over 30, the fun declines drastically, is an idiot, i think the same of women who would say that of men. this generally makes her unmarriageable unless she does a rapid about-face:1. first comment here was just a few days ago, and you’ve already received help and instruction in that time… which is a blessing and not something to discard.’s ask our intrepid anonymous commenter how personally satisfying her life is now, as a single woman in her 30s. within the cfbc community there are a lot of amoral women who are hyper-scrupulous about their birth control., except this comment from @deep strength, because i can’t resist:[i]”am i expected to believe a woman who is 30, working as a housekeeper, and been through such experience would be able to use a words like “red-pill guys” and “status quo” and “hapless victim to save my eggs” and of course the all endearing “schadenfraude” when it hasn’t even been used in the 1500+ comments already on this thread? but here may be a shocker to many of you: a lot of us “baby boomers” (men and women) have taken pretty good care of ourselves. but the odds are simply against a woman in her 30’s in areas where the ratio of single women to single men is as high as it is in places like nyc. there a point in there sheane, or is it just your run of the mill man bashing? i would rather sit home and google random shit then go on a date with a guy who aggressively picked me up at bar. it might be that some women think this, but i can’t see her making the same mistake over and over and over again”. as mentioned ad nauseum when a woman says she doesn’t want kids it is for one two reasons.  guys sorry but for the most part women that young looking at you are looking for money and such and although all men are different as a woman of 38 i can tell you sexually men over 40 and certainly 45 struggle to keep up with me now i can’t imagine at 30. things are so out of control these days there is really no way to tell the difference between the good girls and the bad girls. its normal to declaw cats though there are the predictable objectors who act like we are taking their eyes out. it will be so great that taxpayers will “help” women not as successful enjoy motherhood via an artificial womb. football jock that cheated on her with 10 other women on the side etc etc. but men are not magically less autonomous here just because they don’t actually birth babies. do women in their 30s not want to date men in their 40s? be a weird sample, or it could be the local market here in dc, but a good 20% or so of the women lawyers in my corporate law dept are 30+ and umarried (compared to around 10% of the men in this age group). i never had to excersiize and never weighed above 110,now i have not only passed the age of 30, but i have also out on 15 pounds) i have also turned 31 and have been put into this class of ” desperate woman over 30″ i was with someone for 6 &1/2 years and would not marry him, nor would he me. bromidic advice isn’t nearly as good as you think it is. age has less to do with it, except that some people become more stressed and pressured at certain periods in their life, often middle-age, whether you’re a man or a woman. single time i have seen a woman say “i dont want kids” it has been a flat out lie and in “my circle” even went as so far to has hubbies vasectomy reversed and then proceeded with artificial insemination. of an all-purpose cad’s get-out-of-jail-free card you’ve manufactured there.” the fact she didn’t ask seems to me to indicate she realized a lot of the women in her survey would have said “no;” so she took her “when you were in college” question and leaped to the conclusions she had already decided upon. a similar difference would be visible between someone who desires to be a mother and someone who wants to appease the biological clock. if that is your thing, more power to you, but don’t complain when you find yourself in a failed marriage because your wife hit “the wall”, a wrinkle showed up on her face, her ass is not quite as firm as is was when she was 20 and you no longer find her desirable., a woman assesses herself as interesting and attractive, therefore assumes (projects) men should too. to the op, i wouldn’t listen to the arrogant 30 something women here, because they don’t count at the real women out side in the real world, that is why they are on online dating sites, most of them are lying about their age in their profiles anyways, and they wear heavy makeup to cover up their age when you see them in person. thing is, i have no interest in the commitment and risk of marriage, unless there are kids to be had. there was a time in which every man i dated was someone i met through a friend, either as a set-up or just someone who happened to be at the same dinner party. a man will do anything for a woman he loves. the best guys will most likely be taken, but there are still good, single guys out there. however, g_d does not remove the consequences (there are exceptions – its his call).“data gathered from a convenience sample of 450 college students indicated that tattooed respondents were substantively and significantly more likely to be sexually active than nontattooed college students. fill my castle with food and prove to me you deserve to eat here!… every woman i know wants to be ” a stay at home mom”. there is also a growing number of men who find this a desirable trait. within the cfbc community there are a lot of amoral women who are hyper-scrupulous about their birth control. i believe that they have your best interests in mind, and therefore everyone’s best interest. you might disagree with what some or even most of the people on here have to say, but there’s also lot to learn, and there are even some commentators with similar views, if you haven’t read most of lyn87’s posts, i would encourage you to do so. why can’t women, especially 30+ women, accept that george/denzel/cary/sidney isn’t coming for them either? to divorce her later, claim the child of the union and child support payments off her, since shes working and earning more. there were plenty of men in that range messaging me. on the other hand there are “average” guys that can get the “cheerleaders” after they have been with mr. addition, a quick review of history, civilization, and personal experience with women prove otherwise. i have one daugher, she’s 10, i just got a job as a cis instructor at a college, so it’s demanding but the hours are somewhat flexible. here in america, the bar is pretty low when it comes to fitness. a woman can accept the truth and be introspective, she can prove that she is the exception to the rule. he said that he thinks the system is meant for us to meet when we are young and beautiful, then stay together into old age and that the years of love blind us to the fact that we have gotten old and not as beautiful. i’ve never, ever seen an attractive woman who presented herself well, yet who involuntarily went without male company. case example: couples who stay together for the kids and then divorce when the kids go off to college. the women here do not exist so that you can feel like you have female attention to spread your negativity and dislike for the female gender. her future husband can also count on a less satisfying sex life if she’s been emotionally or sexually abused. i have been reading stuff posted here recently, i found myself doing a bunch of googling etc to catch on to some of the local dialect, in the process creating a little glossary. further: a man with options, would surely, even if you can overcome the above objection, be seeking a woman of a more appropriate age, that is to say mid twenties, rather than mid-thirties, so if he wants you, then what is wrong with him – perhaps he too has limited options? imo the cutoff is somewhere around size 10 or 12; above that and if you don’t drop some pounds nothing else will much help your attractiveness, there or below and you can probably carry it off, though thinner is (generally) better. women like men prefer someone they are attracted too (not incl gold diggers) these men know they are hot and that not many men bother being athletic so they have little competition and yes act like jerks- again because they don’t have alot of competition for women out there. do women in their 30s not want to date men in their 40s? attractive young westernized female inherited a kitchen in a castle. if the girls in that video where aged by 10-15 years and the same still were used it would have drastically less views. there is no more “having it your way”… if you want to be a wife and you expect to be a good wife then carefully consider the cost. i never contact my ex, i’ve severed all ties with the church as well, nobody knows (or should know) where i live and i’m trying to keep it that way forever. i never said that it is easy for a woman in her 30s to attract men. i was so selfish until my father dying while my mother acted like she was being deprived of life made me see that i didn’t want to be like her, but that was where i was going to end up because i was on the path. friend in his early forties divorced his much younger wife (no kids) and met a woman in her late thirties who he now has a child with. danger for the woman is that with those things ibb mentioned she will be prey to young men seeking an easier life. sure in the late 90s there were some techheads making a ton of money with startups and the like in their 20s, but that was so far outside the norm as to be akin to the kind of thing one sees on television. can’t imagine therefore why they haven’t given her a knighthood or sent her to the house of lords, which is usually what happens to bad-tempered aging actresses who have lost their looks (rigg, mirren, dench – though not redgrave – i have seen them all on stage, including miss rigg completely naked – essential for the part apparently – but not i regret to say christie – perhaps she is too posh for that). this may be true in some cases, but i don’t think it’s fair or accurate to assume that this is the case with every single 30+ woman. insult to injury is to take her husband’s money – money she didn’t earn – as alimony to fund her affair with the next men that tickles her fancy. possible quick rebuttal to her “tale of woe”:“those guys sound so terrible, how were you ever able to have sex with them? look if you don’t have daddy to mow over qualified candidates and put you in a high paying job to pay for barbie, then, well, you have no other choices. a person’s tattoos do you no harm, infringes on none of your rights or property, or is your lust to control others that strong, your sense of self that small that you simply cannot say it’s not for me and move on happily in your life? it is unnatural for you as a woman but that is the cross you bare and what faith and prayer is for. be be exact ex professional harley davidson catalog model (size 2), ex professional land rover catalog model (also had her phd- size 2), ex professional tennis player (size 0-2), and ex professional body builder (size 2) whose build was better than dara torres and 8 pack year round (amazing build & athlete). she finally married a man from german royalty (the fear of islamic religion was dismissed when the parents met her and her family). which is probably why alot of women who marry older men end up divorced in their 30s. can convince yourself that the gorgeous young 24 yr old russian bride loves you just for you, but the reality is that, if you have to go to an economically disadvantaged country to buy a woman, she’s almost certainly in it for a green card or your wallet, and before you judge her for being a “gold-digger” remember that you’re using her for her sex appeal, which is just a bad.“nearly one-in-five american women ends her childbearing years without having borne a child, compared with one-in-ten in the 1970s. living either of those lifestyles imprints upon the person a comfort with that sin; it confirms them in it. it’s not like when the internet first started to gain speed where young people where using the technology and older people weren’t. but really, a lot of female students are there simply to earn the piece of paper and to get out as quickly as possible. lord our father is supposed to give us good gifts, is my ex wife a good gift? she most likely should see herself as a loyal companion and helper to an older man in his fifties that just needs to have someone affectionate and kind to share his life with. she’s probably damaged herself more than the other woman has. claims of other persons’ civil liability to you notwithstanding, you did put yourself into the position of living with a man who would or could or did do that to you., 3) that she focus her husband search on men potentially able to afford fertility treatment. most any girl i’ve ever known, if there is genuine attraction. making conversation, asking what i do, introducing herself with a “i can get you” stare. there are surely areas where we agree (cfbc) and others where we would disagree (theology), but i recognize a skilled debater when i see one. despite being a little older, i can still show her a good time, and play catch with our son, or have a tea party with our daughter. while they are right that being a black woman can make things more challenging, and they are right that its safer to find a steady career, how do they know that i couldn’t be the next j. woman mentions she doesn’t want children she is lying and/or unable and/or emotionally sterile. word of advice (seeing that you are looking for a shoulder to cry on): you are unlikely to gain much sympathy here – as everyone commenting here is surely a woman hating mysogynist who delights in female misery – for even from the limited details that you have provided, and beyond the ‘woe is poor me’ stuff, the facts are that you were married but chose to end that marriage, and now you say you don’t want children, which is a little as if a man would say that he bewails being unable to find a woman to marry but does not want to work when he does so. it is up to us individually and collectively to keep marriage holy by individually and collectively holding each other to the standard. is that when a woman indicates a preference for a man who is finacially stable and taller than she, she’s often berated for being shallow, while it seems to be socially acceptable to judge a woman on her weight, looks and age and then to justify it with so-called “scientific research and evidence. keep in mind there are over 6 billion people on this planet of ours. the woman some time, and she’ll show her hand…. i undo meeting her, and courting her, and marrying her, and having a child with her? apologise where appropriate for your actions against your ex boyfriend and church. contrast, any woman at a 4 or above in physical attractiveness can get sex anytime she wants it. so how come it’s okay for you guys to whine and moan and expect your rights, when you guys expect a woman to pretty much forgo her rights when she gets into a marriage?“the best guys will most likely be taken, but there are still good, single guys out there. funny part is i’d actually forgotten that this post started with a quote from some anonymous woman requesting for advice. i’ll be polite and say there is history of “perfect justice” and nature depicting reaping what one sows. concern many women over 35 hear about most often is down syndrome or other chromosomal abnormalities. you don’t take into consideration that a woman is a full human being, not a baby machine. she’s probably damaged herself more than the other woman has. however; she will wail herself hoarse if she wanted it to be something more. if on mother’s day, your kids drew a terrible card for you…. don’t condone lying by either gender in online profiles. her appropriate mate age bracket is mid-30s to at least late 40s, #3 should not be that difficult unless she has some other major drawback or hindrance to becoming a prospective wife and mother. there are consequences for every single action and is a universal law, and one actions dictates what they are. also, the older men (50+) dug me, because to them i was a “younger woman” who didn’t have any baggage or expectations when it came to wanting kids or more kids. or is it just that my new client has been ambivalent about putting herself through the topsy-turvy, insecure dating process? we see her doling out attention to the attractive men and her taunting and mocking the unattractive men. i ask again: what is an over 30 woman willing to do to try to find a suitable partner? there was a continued decline in the percentage of premature births at less than 37 weeks.“etype” sounds like a woman, who is writing a post, based upon what she thinks a man would write like. a man loves a woman, he’s capable of immense sacrifices for her. women are welcome, but it’s important to understand that marquess of queensbury rules don’t apply, and it’s best to avoid leading off with something as monumentally stupid as saying that “love of self” is something that a woman looking for a husband should set as her first priority… or even be working to increase at all. gals are unbelievable in what you ask and say to each other. it was at that point that i thought there was no choice but to get the law involved. not saying that riders do not play sports, of course they do, but a lot of honest, good looking, mate appreciative woman seem to gravitate to mixed sports in my opinion. i’m taking deti’s advice not to write any more details here on the public forum, but if you have a way of me contacting you privately then i can answer your questions.’ve come across quite a few commentators on here who seem to be for women just marrying right out of high school and not going to college. there’s very little doubt that extra-marital sex feels nice.?Am i expected to believe a woman who is 30, working as a housekeeper, and been through such experience would be able to use a words like “red-pill guys” and “status quo” and “hapless victim to save my eggs” and of course the all endearing “schadenfraude” when it hasn’t even been used in the 1500+ comments already on this thread?) it’s about a man loving his wife, and the wife respecting her husband. she disqualified 90% of all men around her, focused on 10% and punched above her weight class (in the sexual market place) for years until she hit the wall at 30. the rest of your story reads like a manosphere catch for some lucky man out there. all depends on whether you want to work with nature or against her. now reality is catching up with those who either chose not to have kids early or simply didn’t have the opportunity. is probably the hardest thing for a woman to do. its actually quiet dangerous having children with older men, even if you are a younger woman…the risks would be higher as if a woman was 45-50 having a baby. so how direct should the op and other women in their 30s be?.’s, artistic type bums, and alpha male ‘dine and dashers’ are getting full. i’m here, because i find the posts interesting and informative. but rather let the men here know how bad they are for seeing the elephant in the room and dare saying anything about it. they all followed your advice to a t and spent their time ‘finding themselves’ and ‘loving themselves’ – often with other men – and now cannot understand why, after having squandered their most fertile and attractive years with men they were not serious about, christian men want nothing to do with them.“there is qualitative difference in sin based on its conformance to the pattern set by god. so the battle for change comes from the need to make it in her selfish interest to remove the laws of misandry.@hopeful: ideally it wouldn’t take two years if both parties are honest with each other. and i think if you don’t want men to devalue you based on your age, you shouldn’t devalue them based on their age either. however, i don’t necessarily agree that there is “no right woman to marry. i do know some older guys who like to go dancing at the clubs, but i prefer other activities. instead she would rather say no because she is “seeing” a guy like that? all these reasons, this behavior appears as being rather an “erotic. discovered that my story was pingbacked at another blog, and i tried to post this there when i read what was being said about me, but it looks like my comment’s never going to survive moderation. she doesn’t even have the luxury of bringing wonderful children into a world to love, protect and raise them so that they remember her fondly and keep her company through a lifetime full of hardship. (i feared we would never get there) dazzel has explained: she is a member of an on-line community that linked the above article; and a lady who posts there and who is fretting about her own love life, has taken dalrock’s article to heart. all i want is another human being to love and spend my life with, and hopefully have kids. another thing you missed is the fact that she simply showed interest in me and i took the initiative to make the first real contact. first thought is she is already ahead of her peers in both how she is considering the issue and the fact that she didn’t partake in the sex in the city mentality. don’t worry you can get another one, daddy will provide an even higher paying job you don’t deserve! get over yourselves, also to woman in their 20’s early 30’s, you’ll be in your 40’s soon, and you’ll thank back to the days when you wouldn’t date a man in his 40’s. every dollar in my bank account says the majority of clickers on that video and thousands of others like it are men. proof is in the fact that you are not married and are complaining about being passed over, the proof is in the evidence of you being here. you’re lucky much of this info is not widely viewed public knowledge as it’s not good for people like you, it destroys all your preconceived notions about american men who marry women from other countries/cultures. i do my best as far as “fashion” goes… however there will never be a pair of skinny jeans in my closet, cuz as far as i’m concerned that whole “metro” thing is just another word for bi-curious lol! if you have any kind wisdom to share with her, please do so. association of a “nice guy” meeting girl who wasted her 20s at church is a bit of a non sequitur and deceptive. i think lots of early and mid thirties women do find marriage partners that way. speaking, there do exist women who don’t want children. if she acts this way toward herself, why would a man think she’s in it for the long haul and will care about him 1 year, 5 years, 20 years hence?, i wouldn’t consider either your age or the fact that you have a young son to be “strikes against” you. no wonder most women in the work place for example don’t get along with each other. the amount of unwed mothers (on the rise) , declining abortions, in this culture where birth control is easily obtainable, sex education accessible – your argument is ex facie. i thought maybe to get back into my ‘nerd girl’ hobbies, and i’m also moving out to a part of the country where the male-to-female ratio favors women so i can take advantage of the job opportunities, as well as hopefully start dating again (the smart way this time). whether to not you put separated or divorced is your choice but you have zero right to judge anyone. might think that if the wife wasn’t really in love with her husband, but if she is, then i would think that the fear of losing him and his love would be enough to inspire her good behavior and respect. point of the advice is to get her to consider that the pool of men who might – might – fit that bill could be wider than she thought. often times there is simply not enough physical strength to maintain it all. meanwhile my coworkers were always going into debt on new cars, expensive vacations and other useless consumer items. meanwhile my coworkers were always going into debt on new cars, expensive vacations and other useless consumer items. leaving the discussion doesn`t necessarily mean the other person is right, it`s just that to stay engaged in such a debate usually means it can and often does go on indefinitely, and that the original purpose can become derailed in favor of competing for the last words. living with a woman full time is the daily death of a man’s soul, pride and dignity.“but unfortunately they’re sometimes viewed as selfish simply because in addition to being mothers and wives, they also wish to use their natural talents, intelligence, and skills towards professional and academic pursuits. over 30 are not marriage material, whether or not they engaged in massive sluttery or not. someone with children is much more likely to associate with other couples with children. maybe all… or maybe you want the men here to peel back the story to show you the truth of the matter and that’s the thing you’re here to look at. (11) addicts commonly use tattoos to specify their drug of preference, displaying the letter h for heroin or m for marijuana, or the numeral 13 for morphine. it was not in their nature earlier and still won’t be in another 10 or 20 years.. on rapid collision course with the wall – and with as we would say around here a number of red flags – such as the tats and the piercings and a butch lesbian hair-cut, none of which would surely be on his list of desired features to be sought in a partner. we like to know about those things here too because we think that past behaviour is the best and only guide to future conduct. a few wrong decisions on the way and wasted my time on the wrong guys and here i am 34.’s the other issue: adam is implying that his efforts to date these supposedly otherwise awesome women is blocked by some mysterious force: that their self-absorption, career worship or narrow focus are like an ugly coat, once it’s discarded there’s a perfect woman underneath.“a virginal woman, outside of a traditional patriarchial society, is worthless”. studies on mice found a 50% decline by mid-life, human age 40, and a steep decline after and increasing miscarriage rates.? we live in a culture where there's no social stigma to sleeping around.. the sexual instinct is reproductive whether you realize it or not, whether you want it to be or not. woman has only two things to offer:If a woman does not offer even one of those, she does not deserve a husband. what she needs to do is (1) do all she can to improve her physical appearance; then (2) find men of good character that she can be attracted to and is comfortable submitting to. “has a lot going for her” i do not mean “well traveled” or “well educated” or “has ivy league degrees” or “has had a lot of cool experiences” or “has done a lot of exploring and learning about herself” or “earns a good living”. it’s also why michael has exclaimed he pursued a high earnings career……to attract a woman. translating everything to assume someone would still sleep with her ex anytime? between career and motherhood-i have not figured that one out yet, i will get back to you when i do. how anyone could get married without having these discussions is beyond me but it was clearly not just her fault if you assumed she wanted what you wanted without asking her opinion. or the “rules” are set by a weak, ineffective, feminized beta father, who cannot or will not enforce his will upon her. thing i don’t get here from many posters is that you can’t just make do with winning. as soon as she was able to make contact with men, she would let them know that he divorce was not yet final, but this also allowed her a chance to give an explanation. her father simply keeps her from certain activities until she learns how to handle them in a nonemotional way. lonely legacy of my sex and the city lifestyle: claudia connell gives a painfully honest account of how she came to be living alone in middle-age. but all of you want the attractive men and there aren’t enough to go around., i’m sure eva feels like she was really raped, but i don’t think any smart guy her age or older is going to agree. they feel they’ve “settled”, there will continue to be many “what if. is the duty of every man (especially those who comment here) to man-up by going-down on one knee before these deserving women and do so before they are snapped up by the local christian gray and i have that on the authority of no less an authority than pastor driscoll himself. everywhere i look i see men in need of love and companionship. since the above conforms to the normative pattern more closely i would argue that there is a qualitative difference. your age and other factors, including competition with younger women, limit your options. is difficult to respond to writing so incoherent and scatter-gun as nope provides, and until she writes something somewhat clearer in support of what i take to be, her female supremacist position, any response is surely pointless. sure a wife could work really hard and eventually change her husband’s impression of her, but a wife that isn’t trying to be her husband’s enemy will always be seen in the same light as when he first met her. i say that because i’m a 42-year-old never married woman who would like kids (but i’m open to adoption if i can’t have them). they are roommates (friends with benefits) until one (or the other) calls it quits. such views coming from a man in the sphere are rather unusual, but nonetheless refreshing. by the time i found about her being a whore… well it was only a relief as it explained so much., a woman is only attracted to such a small percentage of men and assumes (projects) that men are far more selective than they actually are. a woman seduces a man into marrying her, decides at some point early on in the marriage that she’s unsatisfied, and decides to put her husband through a ‘no fault’ divorce…takes his children…cleans out his finances…crushes every good opinion he’s ever had about his wife and women in general…the woman is dead, undeniably wrong. i can see where adam is coming from, because there are many women like this out there and they aren’t “available”, even if they pretend to be. women in their early-mid 20s routinely reject good-looking men who make good money simply because those women want to party it up, play the field, and don’t want to settle for a “boring” man.  i am having a child on my own and i will tell her be married by 30 if you intend on having a family. would a younger woman want to date a much older man?, i’m on the tail end of being a “millennial’ myself and frankly, i’m tired of other millennials acting like we are an island that everyone wants to be on because our generation somehow magically must have invented everything. most of us, however, are savoring our independent lives and have thus developed eccentricities and habits that can get in the way of sharing our lives with another person. when men see the women with the big a** list of demands men shutter and are like scr*w her no matter how hot she is men will run so fast from her. you’re also clearly a loud screecher, a harpie, a harridan, a real b*tch, that few men at your theoretical mmv are going to want around, aside from when your labia or lips are wrapped around their schlongs. other studies have highlighted social change, affluence, higher levels of education, and the support of partners as key factors in enabling women who desire to do so to remain childfree (burgwyn 1983; campbell 1985; joshi 1989; mcallister and clarke 1998; morell 1994; safer 1996; veevers 1983; walby 1997). i even tried pushing that to my brother’s children (all woman family). the fact that so many people don’t do it on sites where it’s optional tells me that the number of people who lie is not small. in other words, in order for your perfect woman to fall for you, she has to “compromise” on age, since you’re not her ideal. we loved each other and still do, however now we love and respect each other in a way ex’s can after time, hopefully the way first husbands and wives of this generation should be blessed with when 50% of them divorce. the hypothesis tested is that the childless women are less traditional in sex-role orientation than either the delays or parents, indicating that psychological factors are more important than situational factors in distinguishing the groups. if that is what a man is facing as far as the implied quality of wife, then why bother at all? it will never abide the peace and security of an obedient and repentant child (in god the fathers kingdom). whether choosing childlessness is more accepted for men or for women is not a priori clear; we formulate arguments in both directions. don’t even say the word “marriage” or any form thereof until a few dates in, i suggest. once i have that connection with him, i am insatiable, but until i have it, there’s not much desire. and the wife is in her early to mid 30’s, she could be 30-36. “market value” of a 35-year-old woman and a 25-year-old man are similar. now she is bf less; so,Thirdly she cradle snatches another guy which means easy sex for him i suppose but still pining for the previous guy i’d guess and uses the youngster as an emotional tampon (having experienced that; that is not a nice thing to do to a guy). other question has to do with a woman’s virginity. therefore you have retained an attorney for three years, yet you are financially broke. then one year, in her late 30’s early 40’s, she had the baby-rabies. find woman who are good looking, pleasant, & fit attractive, with a great deal of discretion on what ‘good looking’ & fit’ means to any individual man. turns into a raging harpy and makes his husband miserable, who continually stone-walls her. do u really think that a 30 year old woman is more attractive than a 20 year old girl? women with higher n-count are more likely to attempt to dissolve the marriages they are in. 2: woman is walking to her car in a parking deck. he will learn one day that he needs to compromise on something somewhere. there are sexy, vibrant, beautiful women to be found at all stages of life. for that matter: where is civilization; for which you so proudly fought? it also indicates that personal relationships aren’t all that important to her and that she has a lot of trouble forging long-term bonds and commitments. there’s this myth going around that somehow an older woman giving birth is more risky then having an older father with a younger woman. in one of my previous posts on this thread, i acually did express that although i would not condemn men or women who are promiscuous, neither do i approve or agree with it. help the morons would look at her (and others) and say is just as/more attractive at 31. because it is easier for a woman to run with her skirt up than it is for a man to run with his pants down. one couple who we are very close friends with is getting inspiration from how happy we are together and using that to rekindle their own relationship which began to dwindle after having 2 children. unapologetic, childfree women underscore how meanings of femininity and identity are highly complex and individual and cannot adequately be explained through essentialist notions of the convergence of woman with mother., “sweetheart,” i think it’s perfectly safe to say that the reason you haven’t been laid in years (assuming that you’re telling the truth here, which is always a problematic gamble where femtrolls are concerned) is because you have the personality and attitude of a cornered mongoose. as she says, she is not a slut, and is it her fault that she receives attention from men and boys. if you meet a man that is sexually excited by you and speaks don’t let what some anonymous guy on the internet (that would be me greyghost there) keep you from that motivate dick. to let you know, some of the other things you named sound like they are straight out of the feminsit playbook.  it seems to be okay or expected of a man to be financially stable and take care of a woman, but at the same time a man immediately is a deadbeat if he has any expectations of having a woman take care of him? 5))obviously crazy is a deal breaker 6) i think plastic surgery is really gross ( unless a nose job or a really unfortunate condition the girl has had for a long time, like a nose job, things like that ) in general i think plastic surgery, enjections, all that suff does not make a woman prettier, it ends up making them creepy looking, and does not help them to age more gracefully. once i’d like to see a woman come here and say something like “i’m a divorced woman, and you know what? they know their daughters need educations and jobs, if for no other reason than as a “fall back” safe position just in case she finds herself divorced. > blog > online dating > why do women in their 30s not want to date men in their 40s? her failure to give even a clue as to what the abuse amounted to (and dear god how often have i heard the claim of abuse) persuades me that such abuse as there was can have been none other than him putting his foot down as a responsible husband. it was through weighing the pros and cons, examining our situation and looking at our future together that we decided that children were not for us.– her whole so ca to nyc (“i wasn’t contributing in a certain way that fulfilled me) is really meet a guy and followed him to nyc.“most of us, however, are savoring our independent lives and have thus developed eccentricities and habits that can get in the way of sharing our lives with another person. is why i tell fathers and mothers of adult children who are getting married, that if they want to be in the lives of their grandchilden and they don’t want to enrich the loser spouse their children marry (against the will of their parent’s wishes) for fear that the loser spouse just wants to be a leech of of their kids, then buy the kids a house, don’t give it to them, let them live in it (rent free) and never give it or sell it to them. it is that men don’t know what “attraction” for a woman is or what it means. where this supposed ‘gender war’ is concerned, i think a lot of it is men, some men i should say, trying to conserve cave man day values and beliefs about women and women continuously trying to show that yes my baby making abilities and other qualities as a woman are great but i am more than just that. i’d like to avoid places where hook-ups and casual sexual encounters are encouraged. there’s a lot more going on here than can be handled on a website go find an older lady who might be able to give you some advice. money says “etype” is one of eva’s girlfriends (if not “eva” herself, in a bizarre multiple personality disorder episode) white knaving. is another party to marriage, and that is the community.“a woman is not able to love anyone but herself. i advise the men out there to take advantage of the social sciences while they are in school so that they can be better equipped to deal with human factors in the real world so that they don’t fall into the this-or-that thinking pattern. point i need to make is this: the farther past 30 a man gets, the less receptive to marriage he is. in a culture where you have been taught to look upon all strangers, and especially all strange men with suspicion, you probably have no idea how to actually signal attraction to a man. about a work related lunch to pick his brain / ask questions whether just the two of you or in group? on your posts about this subject, it seems you have a firm belief that women who say they don’t want kids are either unable to, or lying/omission. it is in real life as well… there a lot of white men falling for foreign women (especially asians) who don’t speak english very well but are very cute. she’s into cooking, so they take cooking classes together. wanted to say i really appreciate your posts and find them to be quite informative, so i would hope that a few disagreements here and there with some of the other commentators would not deter you from continuing to post here. my statements are based on not only my experience, but on the collective observations and experiences of many of the men posting and commenting here and elsewhere.  also, a number of commenters to this site have mentioned finding and marrying the love of their lives in their 30s or later. as business has to think globally to thrive you too should think globally when it comes to finding the woman of your dreams.– why should a chaste man choose a marriage minded older woman who has had multiple partners vs a chaste marriage minded younger woman ? i’d suggest your place of residence is almost certainly somewhere in europe – given the time difference. has not been brought up yet, but clearly as a man of exceedingly high morals you would never help a woman sully herself… ergo, you have never slept with a woman, as to do so would make you a hypocrite that has debased the notion of female purity, which you appear to hold so dear. church is excluded because there are veritable mountains of anecdotal evidence from the manosphere that church is one of the absolute worst places for both men and women to meet each other – bad for men because one nuclear rejection spoils the entire barrel; and bad for women because there just aren’t many attractive men who regularly attend church. she won’t be because it is not natural for a woman to be one. we have other assets that women like if they aren’t beholden to racist beliefs and pseudosciences around race. for ‘eva’, you would have lost nothing showing her compassion, honesty and good faith, while at the same time being aware of the various snares women set. there are many women who desire children but cannot have them for any number of reasons. she could have at least one beta who would wife her up in a heartbeat, but she doesn’t want him because he’s not as attractive or good looking or sexy as the hot alpha males she can have sex with, but who will never marry her. wasn’t going to comment about eva’s post, but what changed my mind was confusion about seeing the same type of comments continuously come up in regards to what eva claims was her rape. there are churches that focus a lot on marriage and family.(okay, i admit that i see some patriotism in our family-making, and further see that having children that were raised to value family is better old-age security than a gov’t/corporate system that’s diving fast while trailing smoke, but those are hardly our chief motivations. and if there was fake uterus and a real woman i would choose the fake uterus for children and use the woman for booty calls (sex on my terms) for me no children is and was a deal breaker for even blue pill greyghost because i knew then women were just a legal, financial, emotional and just all around burden. in it is quite harmful as a preacher i listen to notes since it allows satan to eat our lunch and pop the bag! they take her for drinks, and talk boring shit about their jobs, their kids, their stupid hobbies. placing the comment on this older thread will not be noticeable to most others. i’m sure there is a blog out there that addresses this, considering that by 30 that is a big part of the dating pool. in fact, if i had a daughter or sister, i’d be proud of her for holding out. throw in some southern charm and a couple of war stories….” it’s a rigged game, at least where i live. thus, she needs a lot more game for her hypergamous impulses to be kept in check.. she has confused her higher sexual market value with her lower marriage market value. here is a quote directly from the data you provided and are questioning the reasons behind. not, where you beaten by your father or raised by a single mother ? have wanted to get married since my mid 20’s, but by the time i hit 30, i took it a bit more serious and then economics came into play. insecure xenophobes in all demographics use race as a means of feeling superior to others, as you’ve just demonstrated. like, i know a woman that went on a week long spa trip by herself and she left her children with her spouse. everyone always talks about the love mothers naturally have for children, but scripture (and 5000 years of observation) say that women’s self-love is greater than the love they feel for their own offspring.“you need to have something to bring to the table other than just your pozzle.% of women looking to terminate pregnancy since 2008 were already mothers.) mid to late 30’s white/blonde in hospital scrubs smiled then constantly looking at me (10-15 times over) while i purposefully ignored her. i bursted out in tears and told her how can she say something like that! she had been separated for 2 years and had not lived together for 5. am just working with the material that is coming at me here, i am not trying to purposefully work religion into every comment in an attempt to discredit the blog or anyone else. the reverse scenario, a minor man (under 18) who was statutory raped by his 29 year old female teacher was still found culpable to pay child support for the child they produced.“i find a lot of the readers to be unnecessarily cruel over at dalrock, its spilling over here behind my back and god only knows where else, and i havent done anything to the manosphere to be treated as spectacle. (and the even higher rates of obesity among hispanic and black women in america compared to the high rates among the white women there makes that debatable), but it’s irrelevant. by the time i had to worry about getting dressed to go out, rather than online chatting, email or talking on the phone, i already had far more evidence that here was a guy worth spending the time and energy on moreso than a random guy i could meet on a plane, at the gym, or in the supermarket.. expecting god to deliver her alpha stud on a silver platter. again, i am not here to argue abortion, single mothers, etc. i was talking about upping your own value and worth as a woman so that someone actually wants to be with you. i would rather you come over we watch and laugh than bothering with a bunch of strangers at the movies’. nor am i suggesting it’s better for you to find a woman who has had a bunch of partners.“i’m also not sure how marriage can be considered legalized prostitution when the woman is working and earning money.  if you have any kind wisdom to share with her, please do so. as di lapi (1987) has observed, poor, single, and lesbian women have generally been framed by others as unfit mothers and expected to remain childless. know nothing about me other than the small snippet i posted. after a certain number of men women become those throw around slu*s and it’s not just exploring anymore basically with a lot of the women that never settle are are always hooking up with another man every night or every other night are basically free prostitutes. it always seems that the further we drill down, the more baggage we find. i am trying to remain positive, but two things are really bothering me. once i’d like to see a woman come here and say “yeah, my marriage went down the tubes and i played a big part in that. when she chooses someone to marry, i’ll support her. if a woman is on birth control long term or for a long time, i can see that as being a red flag. they however had neither yours nor closet faggot man’s humanistic sensibilities. a man’s list, (in this case michael’s) physical attraction is high on the list of ‘must haves’……and i don’t consider that any more unique than i do a woman’s desire for a man that makes good money. ciji is not interested in changing, she’s just trying to seek confirmation that she’s still a good ‘deal’ and thus worthy of the futile investment of marriage with her. thought occurs to me that women menstruate between the age of 35 – 50 years old, even though pregnancies are higher risk at that age, and women are less attractive to men., as you say, we can stop there and be new creations. measure the love i have for a person with the degree of the things i would do for her. you set up an arrangement whereby he had nothing to gain from marriage. and neither of us think anything’s going to get better,” said elsberry, of leland, n. back in my single days, somewhere around age 30 i suddenly realized that nearly all the women available to me, were divorced mothers. the reality is that women acting outside of the covering of a father or husband tends to be a slut then why should i think about it differently? men who are interested in you but are either too timid to approach you and express that interest overtly. i was simply asking for a barometer to see where the ideal is and where i and whoever else reads this blog stands. yet that didn’t stop her from turning me down today. you encourage them to get married, and “make an honest woman of her”, then you’re accepting the idea that one can move from sin into virtue without going through repentance. she does not… then being married to her will be pure misery, you’ll be begging for sex and not getting it. i may say so (and we english always laugh about this) you americans are always suing each other.– there is no correlation between childless and birth control, abortion, promiscuity, sexual hyperventilation, education, age, delayed marriage, no fault divorce (choices made by women). in other words, a bunch of losers being regularly rejected by women, including those in their 30-s:). yes, i would like to have sex with my partner before deciding whether or not she’s worth getting married. what good is higher education that deceitfully promises a career if one cant maintain a healthy relationship due to wrecked values /morals ? i suspected: closet feminist man is here merely to proselytise by high-jacking the thread for his own private shame. so many single guys there, and by extension, single guys in church. my great granddad got married at 45 took a 27 year old and had 5 sons with her, so don’t listen the feminist fools that tries to lock you up in a wedding ring, and divorce you with leaving penniless. you are mid 30s, and while you might think you’re in good shape, you’re competing with a lot of hot 22-year olds. you’re almost there, i bet somebody here will email dalrock and ask him to email you some contact information.–asking and wanting to know about your friends, your family, and generally with whom and where you spend your time. he does not want a traditional marriage type relationship, a position he has held for some time before knowing me and which may not change in future, but which i also realize may change when he meets a young woman who inspires him to commit to the vocation of marriage. most of us, however, are savoring our independent lives and have thus developed eccentricities and habits that can get in the way of sharing our lives with another person. unknown ever really sat down and asked herself why she wants to be married?“so the virtuous woman of solid characer was deceived, tricked into marrying a man of dubious repute, a wife beater and substance abuser. you as a woman just need to know the truth. the most useful thing a woman can do to help in a wide variety of situations (death, illness, childbirth, moving, parties etc. entire post is just a defense of the status quo and justification of her choices in life. spend less time winning them over and more time about the cf people and how they find and meet each other. after 4-5 horrible dates she finally decided to lower her height standard and met a guy who she’s crazy about and they have been dating for a few months now. (please god don’t let her ask to explain tickle spot on dalrock’s blog) you need to get you some of those orgasm’s . i also have a fundraiser that i am hosting with my husband tomorrow and have other things i would prefer doing than trying to defend myself to a bunch of strangers who i obviously don’t have a common ground or understanding with.–”there’s two kinds of guys — the kind you date, and the kind you marry.“i know you like the conversation but try not play dumb here. and no dirtiness but none of that stiff setting stuff either. most bloggers here are driving at, and i agree with, is the numbers/odds of success. the only bond to her husband is to his wallet. all of these woman you have mentioned also have highly competative aspects in competion and not much else. so they might be, but the woman sitting beside him and who gifted them as i could then tell from her happy smile, was clearly somewhat older than he; he could clearly have been with a younger woman, but he might not have had the fine shoes and other expensive looking clothing. aside from my current job, it will allow me to have other greater career/job options than if did not have my education and would otherwise be limited to minimum wage jobs. i'm at the age now where, when people ask how old i am, it takes me a minute to remember. did your father actually sell you, or were you a free-range heifer?? with high unemployment since the financial crisis has been locked into normalcy fewer and fewer men have the means to have finance rising a family by typical middle class standards which in western terms is somewhere around 0,000 a year (2 parents, 2 kids, typical trappings). although granted, a man who does want kids probably wouldn’t waste his time a woman who doesn’t them to begin with. ( just an example) i spent over 2 years finding an apartment in a city to buy and knew i wasn’t going to be with that apartment till i died, this is a big decision for both parties to make, and with the world being as it is in this generation wouldn’t you rather marry a woman who i sure of her self and her choices instead of a 26 year old who has only been living on her own out of school for 3 years? it doesn’t matter what word you use to describe it, the guy you tell is being forced to imagine you sexually with another man. i’m still young and don’t know all the legaleze of family laws and i hear just living together can be enough to condemn a man. all her older, uglier harridan mates think the same; that they can do better than the guy way above her mv too. man is nothing more than an item to be acquired for her, that and she has no idea what a man really wants in a woman. i’m telling you is that every time i hear some woman tell me “there are no good guys out there,” i am reminded that there are millions of men like adam. is that there are still men in my generation who are willing to sustain a woman for the rest of their lives so they can stay home taking care of children? another reason might be in the case of divorce, the couple may not wish to have children brought into it as they’ve often been shown to be adversely affected. here is another up & coming career gal feminist demanding equal pay for equal work; while googling on the internet on company time. if he’s targeting mid-30’s women, then he needs to put forth the image that he would match up well with those women. i would love to meet a guy in his mid to late 30s, get married, maybe have kids, have a house, the whole shebang. only mama’s boys with issues and insecurities have to spend $ to go back home to coerce a woman into marrying him. well, there the law of “diminishing returns for human nature as well”. hence, a womans insight / advice show lack of judgement and therefore impotent. if i was going to get married, i knew i wanted kids and i didn’t want to wait until my wife was in her 30s and couldn’t have any.“are men left to decide if they want a woman who was on that carousel that everyone keeps talking about; however, is 300% less likely to divorce him and crush him in family court -or- play rush and roulette with the younger and more virtuous woman that has been raised on a healthy diet of house wives of whatever and other reality tv and rag mags are out there. woman bringing a lot to the table is one thing to me. however, i don’t think there has to be intense levels of passion for it to work. and then there are others that are in denial and have good sociopathic skills to hide it from the true cf people (however small the cf numbers are – imo – no stats).@ they call me tom”women are getting thicker around the midsection than they used to be. much better odds to compete with a 45yo woman than a 25yo, especially as most women if 25 would not entertain the idea of a man of 45. divorce is a sin in and of itself, not relating to the marital sex which precedes it -0- which is not sinful – or whether sex takes place afterwards. he is not shy, i see how he talks to other workmates. many “together” professional women are tired of being “together” all the time, and just want to come home from work, put on their pajamas, eat breakfast for dinner, and watch whatever crap they like on tv while sorting through some work email backlog (for me, that means tuning in to a hockey or baseball game, for someone else, i dunno, american idol or whatever). while the father will receive her back – that it is just the start. of course the child of a broken home didn’t do this to herself.” go sell your holier than though self-righteous crazy somewhere else……. if someone spent their youth unsure about what they wanted,(and i guess that could be called “drifting”) but were still able to hold down a job and pay their bills before finally figuring out their career in their late 20s or early 30s and then sticking to it, then i guess i don’t really why they would be ruled out potential marriage. the meantime, keep doing what you’re doing…… we will be here when you’re bleeding.’s either hit the wall or is screaming towards it. by partying, duplicitous relationships, limiting herself to alphas, excluding beta suitors etc. i showed my father the article about women 50+ being invisible. you know, where there is debt out the ass, no money for hobbies, nothing but a rash of shit for wanting to go do your hobby, no gratitude, no respect, crap cooking, messy house, no sex…. it wasn’t fair for either gender, but as always, women hold the cards, so you have the opportunity to mend the bridges the collective gender has burned, if not only until you find a decent man who’ll be there to stay. zippy’s blog someone made a similar comment; that if it were his daughter he’d rather her shack up than sleep around. we’re going to insist that everything everyone here writes adheres to the most strict possible use of each term according to some ambiguous definition you vaguely recall from statistics 101, then we’re all going to be in a lot of trouble – you included. she has since left him, taken all his money, and is shacking up with her dyke girlfriend.’m a 32 year old virgin woman (soon to be 33 in january) who looks considerably young for my age. the men on this website have both higher standards and lower expectations for women than our culture as a whole. don’t i don’t know what i’m going to do if i can’t marry a good girl in her 20’s. what she needs to do is (1) do all she can to improve her physical appearance; then (2) find men of good character that she can be attracted to and is comfortable submitting to. woman who claims that they do not want children is like a woman who (more so in this current age) vows that they will remained married to their husbands. i am not an alpha woman, however i can be if need be. the daughter picks up exactly where she left off but without her inheritance – everything is given to the one who didnt leave(go back & read it).  my mother was 47 when i was born, and my father 57….” one of the most effective ways to do this for a man in your position is to adopt what is basically a “fuck-it-i-really-don’t-give-a-shit” attitude where women are concerned. in case you missed it in every singe post i have made here, i am talking about people who do not choose to have children. besides, wasn’t it apparent pretty soon afterward that kids were not going to happen with her?, in my other posts i was talking about women not being able to meet men interested in them. on what grounds are you an authority on the mechanics of socio-sexual relations, or even an authority on the “reasonableness” of others or things? any red-pill guy whether he is younger than you, similar in age to you, or older than you is only going to see you as grade a pump & dump material, because the red pill man knows the institution of marriage is fucking dead. she doesn’t like what’s on offer she can either accept her lot or figure out how to bring more to the table herself. still won’t date a guy over 40 and i’m in my late 30s. if they didn’t want to give themselves to a man when they were at their best, i don’t think they really believe in giving themselves in their 30s. she learns that if there are consequences, it’s someone else’s fault, and someone else’s responsibility to handle them. you need to have something to bring to the table other than just your pozzle. it’s the difference between loving yourself, and loving another. she will increasingly damaged goods for life and be detrimental to herself, children, husband, and others.–asking you to cook, clean or otherwise take care of the house. is either sexually active or subject to unbearable/uncontrollable mood swings. unless of course, you child-free identity group folks mean to tell me that you not only don’t want to have children, but also don’t associate with anyone who has children, and refuse to go anywhere where children might be brought.   at most, i will say “unsure,” just to open my profile to more women, because i think there may be many who are saying yes, but don’t really want to, or are open to not having them if they find a man that can give them enough love that they don’t feel the need for kids to fill a hole in their lives. to add, why in the world would a woman want to desperately marry some schmuck she’s not attracted too?” i know that a lot of people posting here regularly are very religious, but i don’t see anything in the site description that states this is a religious oriented site. her emotional state is giving him all the value of the word “love”. there are many women who won’t date a man who is not taller than she. then worry about how you’re going to get there later, if you have to worry about it all. jacob prasch from moriel ministries is a teacher i’d recommend to look up… he is a messianic jew and has much wisdom. am not sure what income bracket he’s in, but historically for me it been about 30-35k so moving down market, means chicken heads, single mothers with multiple children, overweight women (like my ex) and mousey women. young woman who has no father in her life, or has a weak father, never learns any of these things. i think i could personally apply a lot of the tips which you’ve provided to hopeful because the way she’s described herself and situation is pretty much the same thing (minus a few small differences, i. is a man that looks good and is successful at 60 will be incredibly attractive to a woman no matter her age.“otherwise its a marriage of convenience, its no different from living in sin, get your facts straight ”. therefore, there must be large numbers of women yearning to have kids but who just haven’t.@hopeful- repentance, humility, even just regret at how she treated others (if she’s actually come to an awareness that it isn’t just about what she gets out of things) are a sign of maturity in a woman. men just not care about language and other verbal barriers when it comes to finding a mate? up on this – there are plenty of medical & social studies regarding pms. they listened to all those in authority over them: parents, teachers, scout leaders, civic authorities, counselors.: i only see people advicing her to evolve to overcome her mistakes and no advice on her masking her mistakes, without changing. the rejection causes the woman to take up some entitlement attitude with the false dichotomy of “demanding men date you” and “waiting patiently for them to ask. christian marriage was so hard in one of the few recorded passages where the apostles balked in mass with jesus was where he talked about _marriage_. so, despite what the guys on this site believe or want you to believe, men like me are out there. like i have stated many times before, my goal in posting here is to make sure cf women and men are properly represented. you indicated that the civil law suits are in the middle; if i remember the wording correctly.

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