Dating a woman in her mid 30s
Dating a woman in her 50s
the point is not that there’s anything wrong with going with older men. at 31, the same woman’s view of the smp is very different., the single women in their 30s whom i know were not out sleeping around when younger (to the very best of my knowledge). older a woman grows, the less likely she will remain attractive to a man her same age.“higher education for women for a woman is not waste if her values/morals remain intact. this is another way of saying that high smv guys will have sex with and even date women with lower smvs, but won’t marry them and will only consider marrying a woman who is their smv peer. “the author surveyed over 4000 people without children, whether by choice or by circumstance and continues to do so today, adding to the stats”.’m also not sure how marriage can be considered legalized prostitution when the woman is working and earning money. am a 38 year old woman, the challenge is that most men in their 40’s act and seem old. linked essay would go as well for men seeking a wife, but i suspect women (with their often-psychotic levels of hypergamy) would benefit from it, so it’s posted here:It’s a mathematical solution to how to pick a spouse. in mind: the woman who wises up from being the town mattress will admit that she was wrong. and as i have pointed out many times before, you are speaking of a relationship where children were desired, but not possible.@hopeful – since “simply asking for a barometer to see where the ideal is” – here is a old saying for your consideration. beauty & sexual allure are the currency of a younger woman. and, as it happens, it is much easier for a woman to get sex, than for a man. this is something the man-o-sphere is not acknowledging pretending women are always at fault, u guys love alpha women too…slutty women= alpha women…i wonder why so many women choose to slut it up? wants to count the number of cobwebs & bats flying out everytime jane opens her legs … lol. it’s great to have your broad experience and deep wisdom here. an age where outside of the very rich (or very poor) and where one income has become insufficient on which to tolerably live (if married with children) a woman’s earnings and lack of indebtedness are factors in addition to such traditional factors as chastity and legitimacy, and that a man should weigh when deciding whether the woman is marriageable. from what i can see it has christian element setting it apart from other sites which makes it (in my opinion) one of the more civilized intellectually morality oriented discourse blogs you will see on the internet pertaining this subject; aka the reality of women marriage and gender relations in the 21st century. in a previous thread i challenged you to tell exactly where your sexual history would make you a harlot, outside of saudi arabia. if a man enters a ltr with a real heart felt commitment, but without the legal sanction of the govt, and the woman now has real consequences for bailing (no cash and prizes)…win/win…yes? i’ve refused to date a woman further after one or two dates; mostly because i could tell she was not interested. i’m trying to say is if women want to find a man, they’re going to have to tune out the culture, leave the herd, and widen their attraction filters.” also, a number of commenters to this site have mentioned finding and marrying the love of their lives in their 30s or later. and if you losers on this board who determined women who are 30+ to be unattractive compared to 20-somethings saw me, you’d forget every “attractive” 20-something woman and be chasing me to the ends of the earth. granted, the guy is not handling the most mature, but if a 42 year old wants to have kids, there’s no harm in trying. doubt a man would need two years if he has a woman who is marriage material, who is a virgin and who is saving herself for marriage. if you look at this another way, women 35-39 have a 75 percent chance of not having a miscarriage. if they didn’t want to give themselves to a man when they were at their best, i don’t think they really believe in giving themselves in their 30s..apparently the reason socialism has failed everywhere is not that it is a broken religion but rather that it has never been operated solely from the purity of female hearts. i think your pushing it way to hard here lol. she’ll have to lower her standards for men a lot; and come to terms and grips with the fact that the hot alpha studs she wants for marriage are probably out of her reach. as always, you’re as valuable as your options and if all the people you desire aren’t responding, you either have to rebrand yourself or rethink your strategy. also, what in your opinion would there be to consider the most, then? i gathered the last bits of courage left in my loveless, shy, withdrawn self and only said ‘i kind of like you’. further upholding an equally terrible idealology that women don’t like each other or can’t get along and only like men clearly furthers your own agenda of spreading hate against women. i have since (with the help of the christian manosphere, h/t) changed gears from looking for a date or a girlfriend or a makeout to looking for a wife (and preparing myself for the responsibilities that husbanding entails). and i can attract younger women… but i’d also really like to date women my own age… same problem though, they’ve either given up on themselves completely and or they are so jaded and sore its just one huge emotional mistrustful minefield. there are many more factors than just financial wealth – women don’t age well and seem become even more mentally unstable (ymmv on this one). here if you’re trying to date someone with more money than you or someone who’s *too* good looking, they might be just as superficial as you and find a better option. in fact if you had any idea how totally predictable you were that would be the first evidence that you grokked anything being said here. are incredibly frightened and timid for many reasons adding to it about how altered the playing field has become with media and technology and the women having so much more weight then ever before. however i will never know what actually made them make that descion, an now they are getting back into “the game” and are incredibly frightened and timid for many reasons adding to it about how altered the playing field has become with media and technology having so much more weight then ever before. says she is twenty eight and that her boyfriend of seven years (from 20 to 27) promissed her that he would marry her when she had a degree. my n is 3, and i’m determined to keep it there until i (hopefully) marry – not to be crass, but if my sexual desires get that intense, masturbation is a lot less headache than the guilt i feel after cheating my future husband out of myself little by little. one of the things that attracted him to his now wife was her demonstrable example of mother worthiness.–“let’s go back to [my] [your] [other available] place. the rare alpha who does marry, secures a top woman (see, e. when i see an older woman with a younger man, my first instinct is to highfive both of them!“everyone also keeps asking why i settled or resigned myself to a woman who doesn’t meet your standards. do you and another men consider a woman with divorced parents to be a deal breaker?’m here to tell you that every guy who was a jerk to me about my desire to wait (which they *all* knew going into a relationship with me) was a total beta male. become “less attractive” in their 30s than in their 20s? she knew her ability to conceive was coming to an end. the deep personal connection, young men and young women usually miss out when choosing their partners, because the other two factors blind them initially. generally: i am prepared to bet that when you unilaterally ended your marriage you had at least unconsciously performed a cost/benefit analysis that a new and better and richer man would be yours for the taking. the only other thing he has told me so far is that he thinks i am funny and ‘i like your jokes, you make me laugh so hard’. are outliers, in the statistical sense, for whom other arrangements are better. is not a “designed” study designed by a impartial researchers that has “very specific controls” over a broad population (as you mentioned 20%). miserable people, please see therapists, and stop using the internet as bins to dispose of all your emotional garbage. thank you for seeing that there was something to be seen in me, that i didn’t even know existed. she hasn’t shared how long she and her boyfriend have been together or how serious they are. trust your gut and think about what you want , rather than numbers. the reason there are so many slutty women is that men…. for some early in life and for others, a bit later.“i want to say there is a whole other population of women out there that are still single in their thirties. these men live in the same society as their wives, ex wives, and other women. lots of us observed and concluded we’d rather spend our days as we wish…. agree with you there are women who passed up good men when they were younger for shallow reaons,But please don’t forget about the women who were in relationships that had to end due to be being cheated on, lied to, abused in spite of being good woman who treated their men with love and support. 3) a lot of what i wrote was actually my personal advice to the young woman reading this thread 4) though you date woman hold their apperence as their calling card, you have not married a single one of them. i don’t mind criticism so long as there’s some validity behind it. it is about growing together, man leading, first mate assisting. a lot and i mean a lot of older men / vets have a tatt and now are at there peak wealth/ income. he never likes or comments on any of my stuff, once or twice, maybe, but i notice how busy he is on all other workmates’ profiles. i am not sure of this blog site allows for other links to be posted. sites like okcupid and pof might attract more older users (men and women) because they require more content for relationships rather than just looking for hook ups. for all the talk about wanting to be independent, in my own experience, women are generally speaking much more dependent on others when it comes to decisionmaking than men are, by and large. i’ve been reading here for several months and can honestly tell you that you’ve had very kind gracious commenters give you their thoughts!” the other words you refer to are not relevant to this discussion. can declaw cats where i live; most do, some don’t. it’s comments like these that make the hardened regulars around here question your good faith and make us think you’re trolling.’ll cover conversation later, as its late over here … lol”. you for reinforcing my original reasons for not continuing to post here. so hypothetically, let’s say a woman who has many wonderful traits, is generally considered attractive and would make a great partner/wife but introduced to a man who does not find her attractive, he would most likely not pursue a relationship with her. am looking for an honest woman to start a family. you are honestly saying that mothers and wives “wish to use their natural talents, intelligence, and skills towards professional and academic pursuits” in order to help her family in case of financial difficulties, spousal illness and so forth? i will admit, the fact that you’re a single mother makes it difficult. being a mature man, i want and need a mature woman. am simply looking for a woman who might be willing to be submissive. am on the 18th july began: ‘i love how all of the guys on here think that they know what every other guy in the world wants in a woman’. poor beta males, can’t get that hot girl because the alpha males have her boohoo waaaaaa. as it turns out, my wife developed endometriosis at puberty (long before we met), and was physically able to get pregnant, but it would have been, in her case, a life-threatening condition. of them successfully went to other countries and found wives that love them and produced children, some of them before the internet was widely used as tool to find single women. she takes with her her personal effects and the cash settlement., have never been a “carousel watcher”) i’d say about myself.–how many “wrong guys” were there and what were the circumstances? some are men who are now happily married but, in their past, fell into one or more of those categories, and are willing to share non-sugar-coated wisdom borne of experience, to other men in order to spare them…. he has realized that what he has in life is enough, that he doesn’t need to risk everything to maybe have things get a little better(commited sex and companionship and all that lovey dovey stuff beta guys want) if the woman in question is great(notice how utterly dull such prudence must seem). the wife of a lawyer acquaintance of mine who met her whilst at cambridge (she was a fellow student) married her then and had children early and it was just as well that they did, for tragically she succumbed in her mid forties to some disease. data from more than 60 teams of researches on health risks associated with older fathers discovered that men over the age of 35 (which i personally find to be young for a man or woman yet biology clearly doesn’t) had a 50% lower chance of conceiving over a 12-month period compared with men 25 and under.. they observed that there are enough guys only too keen to wife them up no matter that they are in their late thirties and have all sorts of red-flag issues? he saw how she was with her kids and concluded she was a great mom, and she is. she’s trying to ‘have fun’ and “explore her sexuality” and “travel”. (may 24, 2012), you are very naive if you think that a 26 year old man really wants to marry a 30 year old woman unless the woman is far more attractive than what that man thinks he is generally capable of getting.…it’s best to avoid leading off with something as monumentally stupid as saying that “love of self” is something that a woman looking for a husband should set as her first priority… or even be working to increase at all. understand that women in their 20s have the most choice/power when it comes to marriage and lrts, but that doesn’t mean, as one of the posters stated, “that a woman over 30 is unmarriageable. me start by saying your avatar description of yourself as a “massachusetts-based lawyer” speaks volumes, and tells me much about where you’re coming from. you seem to be upset that you and others are not made to feel nice.’m sure no man here is good enough for you. with all that time on her hands and alleged poverty to motivate her, you’d think she’d have been first down the aisle. looks are important to me and i am very attracted to my wife, but if that was all there was to our relationship i wouldn’t expect it to last. story quotes her boyfriend as saying “gloria has thick skin”.’m also writing to say thanks to evan for this blog and all the thoughtful information he puts out there. the other derivation of that is to say “it depends on the individuals”…. want to spend my life with someone who can help me decide where to go, not just blindly follow my lead. that’s really all a woman needs at any age. cooking was for the less educated and mothers stopped passing on this skill. proliferation of online support groups of and for women who have successfully became moms after age 35, whether for the first or tenth time offers added inspiration. asking you to account for your whereabouts at any given time. thought is that it depends on whether the woman in her 30’s has been in long term relationships, or any relationships actually, or has been more of an “always single” girl. lots of factors mean that there are more men competing for the same women. this is just one step on from the women who age 38 or 43 produces a trophy child and then revert to their corporate cubicle, or as might have happened even in my lifetime, send their child off to a boarding school at the earliest possible age whilst claiming that dumping their child in a child-farming dormitory is the kindest thing they can do and thus at the same time redeeming themselves – whilst playing the part of victim – of the burden of motherhood. does not mean she is a doormat, or cowers in the corner while her husband barks orders, or tolerates physical abuse, or never voices her opinion. after eight years and 20 notches, a woman will know she’s doing something wrong, and start looking for marriage material, with a marriage-minded attitude (whether that’s a good bet for a man to take is another question).“you must be quite the catch to scoop up a women most men your age would rather pass on if they could help it. face it, many younger men are still trying to find themselves, which is not attractive to younger women, so the left-overs are more open to at least dating an older woman. so, what’s really going on here is that you’re all butthurt that the hot alpha stud you probably pined after wouldn’t give you the time of day. shaming is an attempt to create a submissive audience, because the advocate doesn’t have faith in the argument otherwise being successful., i think many men will deduce on their own that you’re interested in marriage if you’re entering the serious dating scene in your 30s. if you are surprised there are a few men in the manosphere who don’t automatically denigrate ow/ym couplings, i guess i can see that. adam, it may help to look for women a little older than mid-thirties. but i wish i was in my 30s because i like older men and i would be closer to their age so it would be more socially acceptable for me to date them *sigh*).“again, no idiot here and i don’t think of a man as a “provider. she broke a contract they both signed before god and country and he must make her whole. her credit, as messed up a girl as she was (talked the talk of being a devout christian, but had a number like 4 or 5 at age 22. she is very bitter towards her husband because she “wasted her youth” on him. as pointed out by others, allegorical examples have problems when used as proof, except that we are most confident of the reality of our own allegorical examples. doubt she randomly decided that mothering was a learned trait, and that’s really not an accurate description of her position anyway. suppose a woman find herself in the same situation and turns down a man she is not attracted to and feels no chemistry with…. the guy might say he wants kids, might even mean it, but if you break up where will the children go? of body, mind, spirit is “flat out” attractive on any type of a womans physique at any age. if the father you selected to raise a family was a stable, god-fearing man whom raised his children according to the scriptures? of course there’s nothing you can do about your height. not nearly as much as a woman’s does, stop with the bullsh*t.“and anyone who marries a divorced woman also commits adultery. she was outside of the range i was looking for and almost passed her by for that reason alone., and the other has the skeletion key to all the locked cabinets in the universe and questioning that premise could compromise his salvation. at that time she was living with the boyfriend but still was actively dating another guy, and the boyfriend knew it and she knew he knew. this is the second time i’ve come across your post where you’ve felt it was your entitlement to make the statement about ‘typical women” this and that. in fact, most young women (20s to 30s) would prefer ryan gosling or channing tatum over their “dad” george clooney, so don’t kid yourself. finally settles down with man who carried a torch for her since high school after she (accidentally on purpose) got pregnant at age 33..You must be quite the catch to scoop up a women most men your age would rather pass on if they could help it. given your logic, reasoning ability, methodology, tactic, and “flavor/styler” – it strongly resembles many a irrational conversation with a typical american woman. i told her that despite being together for many years, we still have alot of things to do, seperate and together. you need to be there with one hand on the keyboard and one hand working your tickle spot. a woman’s really, really, really wants to marry a man, move to a military town, be height weight proportional, make a man feel valued and you’ll be married in no time. in contrast, the frequency of sexual intercourses was statistically higher and oral sex was more likely to be a dominant sexual activity in adults with bm compared with controls.–“let’s get out of here and go to another place. given a man’s unending thirst for women the possibility is that the man will accept the invitation and perhaps even turn up the date (i have to confess however that whenever i have been asked out, i always accept, and then flake – had i wanted to date them i would have asked; as i don’t, i did’t) but he will form the idea that the woman is either easy or desperate. far too many men today either are incapable of taking on such responsibility (having lacked role models in this during their own formative years) or try to avoid it (having been steeped in the adultolescent culture where shirking responsibility for as long as possible is considered a worthy goal). that the opposite is true when the man is ten years older than the woman: their respective smvs will continue to rise and fall mostly in tandem. myself to be a woman in my 30′s and a 9 currently on a scale from 1-11.– you have revealed yourself as a woman(troll) as noted by other men due to the inability to reason, inability by inference to connect the dots, blatant double standard among many other female traits ( lol – do you need to see “a study” for those female traits as well ? but don’t put other people down just to justify your actions.. she put her career/job ahead of her social life.” a woman who got to experience many of those things as couple, just with the wrong person in the long run, but had fun and enjoyed them at the time, is probably more willing and into settling down and craving more wanting to get married and start a family and a home life. the other is my cousin, an attractive blonde now 42 years old, twice divorced, who had elective tubal ligation. there may be exceptions, but usually it turns out badly, so don’t. but there is definitely a market for young men you are very attracted to much older women – and not for their money. having said that, there are christian cfbc guys (i’m living proof) out there. for no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the lord the church: for we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.“if a woman is in her mid-thrities and is not a former carousel rider, then one has to suppose that she has been celibate for twenty years or so, yet that seems unlikely; equally the chronically insecure tend to have ‘a screw loose’, like my erstwhile would-be lover, and it is unlikely to become tightened sufficiently by her mid-thirties. further research might also inform a fuller understanding of masculinity by contrasting. a woman who wants a partner for life needs to be as directed in her romantic pursuits as she is about her career, her workout routine, or her skin care. so if both the man and woman don’t want children, the man would be looking for what other benefits the woman presents. struck me as the fascinating part of the original argument was the notion that “[t]he other group of men i would consider are men…men who would traditionally have been marriageable in their 20s but essentially dropped out of the dating/marriage market due to lack of interest from women their own age…[t]here have to be quite a few unclaimed eligible bachelors out there whom the right woman could coax back into the game. know, unknown, if you put all this advice together, asking this guy out won’t be as big of a risk if you are talking to other guys as well. if it works i will be the happiest 30 year old ever…he really is nice to me, but i do wonder how many other women he is nice to. ones interactions with others or lack of interaction regarding sexual practice alters ones personality. life is nothing more to show what type of person one is – either one is decent, virtuous, or bad, evil and many different degrees in between. notice that in support of his position the child-deprived one refers to an anthropologist by the rather odd name of hrdy (a woman) who has decided that mothering is not instinctual but learned. she’s the one who has to mother that child for the rest of her life. are other psychological factors that will lower any man’s sex drive, and lower the rigidity of his erection. families concerned about their daughters becoming “casualties” there is the option of sending her to a college in their city or earning her degree through correspondence or online..Brandon – not being attracted to every 54 year old woman you meet is one thing. for all the european countries where racists slurs are routine from the soccer crowds. maybe the gaydar is pinging because of the circle jerk all the guys here are participating in. as you explain, her mother died about the time of the wedding and her personality changed. when people decide that others are there to fulfill their needs and expectations with no regard for the fact that the other is a person at all, there is a serious problem. it’s an “i need to possess her, protect her, care for her and keep her close” urge. of these things is not like the other:“if it’s something i’ve actually witnessed then is that not enough to be considered fact or “proof? either way, their personalities are so wrapped up in denying their beta-ness that they are demanding jerks about sex. lot of comments upthread asked the woman to evaluate what she can bring to the table for a man. the emotional stress and blame was detrimental (she blamed me for her endometriosis and inability to conceive). and the older, experienced fellas will be here for you. the number one thing a woman at 30 needs to do is lower her standards. i never much cared what other women thought of this plan of mine and for me, it worked (and in my field, i didn’t take any jobs from men either, thank goodness). you are going “to pursue”- come up with something subtle that appeals to him since you are in a minefield whether it be work or rejection (“get over with it” as a buddy from italy use to say). pragmatically eugenics doesn’t work either, no more than an all-powerful government or an all-powerful dictator. is late over here and i have not been checking my personal emails over the weekend. if she isn’t then she should either not get married or make it plain and clear in the beginning that she will not be submissive. but whether they admit it or not, they wish they could get the same from the younger girls. i feel like ever since i lost my dad, i’ve been wandering in a haze of life where the mist keeps getting thicker as i age and wonder if i’m salvageable. they are probably not the guys that typically read this blog, but they are out there. i don’t have the desire to sleep with men who look like my father. don’t know if there is a specific point where you can clearly ascribe blame to the woman. there are still plenty of 25 to 35 year old guys out there that are more appealing to those women. my theological understanding is that it is a sin, a sin i’ve repented for, and that it can stop there and be different than a pua.?By people that try to stretch every piece of information to prove their situation is the best possible, even if the data clearly point the other way?) women who come here but the reasoning is in view of a sophistic nature, and i suspect that you are using voluntary childlessness as a trojan horse to undermine the positions generally held by dalrock and contributors to and readers of the site. stated – you are red herring the inherent baby rabies drive for cfbc instead of cfbfu.. i am also a single father of 2boys who are performing above grade level expections. likewise, it seems like the fathers are more bonded to their children than the mothers 3/4’s of the time. even if you know in your heart that you’re the perfect loyal marriagable woman, you have literally nothing to convince him so, words mean nothing, and actions have yet to be known, actions that will span a good 20+ years to be considered valid proof.’m not following your logic here, or perhaps it was just a bad assumption on my part to think that there was logic to be followed.’ve dated a couple women over thirty in my early thirties, but truth is (despite the feminist myth) they didn’t have anything especially unique to offer intellectually or romantically compared to a younger woman, so i could see how, in the end, a man will probably date younger as the years go on.’m just past my mid-thirties, and to be honest, i just don’t expect that any woman who is single, in ym age range, and is still a virgin. the dating and smp world looks very different and much more constricted to a 31 year old woman than to a 21 yo woman. if that took time and you are now in your 30s, 40s etc… so be it. otherwise, they would have returned from the grocery store with groceries. a common phrase around cf communities is “i would rather regret not having a child than regret having one., casey, mikesinger, michael, greyghost, deti and others (forgive me if i left anyone out):I’d say this is the one place where true equality exists. dalrock’s is hardly the best place in the universe to come to, if you are seeking a white knight (or a mangina) although she has of course had half a dozen or so men fussing over her which was presumably her intention – some go to facebook others…. from what i can tell, you’re a 30+ woman looking for marriage. this is why i never approach the topics of marriage, sex, and love from a biological perspective, or from any perspective other than god’s truth. there is no perfect man or woman out there…yet everyone seems stuck on looking for what does not 100% exist. about the women out there who do want, but cannot have children? my mother did the whole, “i made my bed and now i have to lie in it,” routine and i thought she was being very unfair to herself. it should not be controversial here to say that cougars like cf man’s wife are capable of deception with regard to their desirability. don’t know the tenth part of my life, or the bible or any other topic on hand. get no time off either, nor do we get sick days. because this is the root problem – most of the over 30 women getting married are marrying men less attractive than the men they fornicated with; and when you get down to it, that lack of attraction eventually surfaces in some form or another (usually vague “i’m not haaaaappy” complaints). but her sexual market value and marriage market value are simply not as high as a woman in her 20s. it’s understandable that this can seem awkward, but as others have pointed out, in today’s dating world where casual sex has kind of become the norm, it’s critical to beak that pattern by making it fairly clear early on in a firm but polite way that you are really only interested in long-term arrangements — it screens a good deal of the men for whom you are over the sex threshold but not at the mmv threshold, and actively selects for the men who are the converse. their rejection of motherhood exemplifies how modernity has given rise to wider possibilities for women to shape a fulfilling gender identity that is separate and uncoupled from the hegemonic ideal of motherhood. i agree with you there are women who passed up good men when they were younger for shallow reaons, but please don’t forget about the women who were in relationships that had to end due to be being cheated on, lied to, abused in spite of being good woman who treated their men with love and support. are they going to bond to, wheres is the biochemistry to keep them bonded & commited to each other in a long term relationship? however, what about if a woman is non-chaste but dresses and acts conservatively? following comment from cane was endorsed by novaseeker:A: “if a man and a woman date and have sex every day for a year–because they “feel in love”– they commit 365 instances of extra-marital sex. a woman says they it means they cant or they are lying /omission and will amend this later. chaste men & women of higher morality refer to this level of morality as whorish and no desire to pursue this level level of morality / relationship in marriage due the predictable consequences that will occur due to the previous behavior and the alteration of personality that occurred. it is about treating women like breeding cattle who are there primarily to boost a man’s ego (by providing bio kids, looking “right” on his arm, fitting the profile he has invented). i’m not sure why you would expend so much time and energy debating a proven red herring, feminist, woman, or whatever else you have decided to label me. i simply asked for proof it existed and was given a bs answer and told:“false premise & red herring and dishonest (typical female) maternal instinct is not a “phenomenon” it is “hard wired instinct”. not even the well-being of her own children will keep her married to her children’s father. funny part is i’d actually forgotten that this post started with a quote from some anonymous woman requesting for advice.–“there’s two kinds of guys — the kind you date, and the kind you marry. i know that most men don’t mind a woman having less education and income than themselves, but the overwhelming majority that i’ve met expect at least some post-secondary and the ability to hold down a job. i’m not saying anything radical here: this is ephesians 5. judge us based on the vibe you get, beacuse this is an ever changing generation, in fact the first generation that has this many single woman in thier 30’s than ever before… we are all just trying to find love, and comapnionship…as you guys would like to find as well. they know their daughters need educations and jobs, if for no other reason than as a “fall back” safe position just in case she finds herself divorced. and nobody here is encouraging men to support single mothers and their children, rather the opposite. it’s likely that jdm and i don’t run in the same circles, but my experience doesn’t line up with her comment,“not a single person i know ( including my 22 year old brother) hesitate if not, as a rule they won’t go further if they find out the other is either a virgin ( well then it stops dead in its tracks) or has only slept with a few people. and then of course there were the women, who were just overlooked or never really approached for a relationship; in spite of being attactive and having a lot going for them. fidelity, stability (i’m very successful in my business, well into six figures), someone who will go to church with her, be willing to have kids with her, and who will provide for her the rest of her life…. opus pointed out, the thread here is ‘advice to a woman in her 30s looking to marry’. questionnaires and other psychological investigations may help quantify the percentage of childfree couples and document their intentions for the future; however, it is not at all easy to determine what percentage of people who consider themselves childfree forever will subsequently change their minds. i am just an alpha cad, but – and this seems the best thread to set this out – thinking about myself, in my thirties i never formed any conscious decision to marry, as an objective, and always assumed (as was the case) that the women i dated had no intention of marrying either, but just to show how difficult it must be for women in their thirties to marry, i set out below (temporary daliances excluded) the ages of the main girlfriends i had – an average of one a year – for the ages 31, 32, 33, 34, 35. best barometer simply look how a woman behaves, her friends, and her family (apples do not fall far from trees). a mother of 3 will have more experience than a new mother. worse still a woman at that age is usually married (see your stats) or divorced and if divorced may well have children and in either case is (for me – beyond pump and dump) an instant turn off.” as arguably one of those at 34, buried in his books over the past decade after early failures at gaining the attention of both catholic women (coming from secular schools and university, to cultural confusion) and secular women (approaching via chaste morality and virginity, to hilarious results), i’m still likely less successful than most of the women who i would be considering marrying (due to a mix of choice of field/career, time spent in ministries & volunteer work in lieu of overtime, and being the caretaker of my elderly father), but that’s a sad reality of many men in today’s world who have done everything right but are in a bad position. throwing peasant,Nice work picking up where i left off. for a man, often enough, thought cannot equal action, he has to wait for the woman to have the same thought. i’ve served in the military for five years, i have very little money and a lousy paying job, i live with my mother and we share a car because i can’t afford my own car, i have significant problems relating to my military service and i’m in school working on a bachelor’s degree. so the chances of a 41 year old woman having a baby is good. problem isn’t the men in the church – the problem is her. seriously, is that the kind of woman you’re looking to mate with? and i haven’t seen any profile of a woman who isn’t willing to go 3-5 years older than her. so yes, men will go for the drama queens, and leave you there with your ‘nice girl’ personality, no matter how good you look. i had no idea that my younger self desire for an older man (10-20 years depending on the man) was so unusual or was so repulsive to other women. the other three, the husband had waited, but the wife had not (married in their late twenties). ( sexually or otherwise) i know it was a top priority for me, and yeah i had sex before i got married, who wouldn’t. if you don’t think this situation occurs, browse through this site to see some of the many stories from mothers who had children and regret it after the fact. list of publications and peer reviewed studies is far too long to post here, but you can see for yourself if you like. and those studies about breast cancer risk for fathers in conclusive and best on the sources i’ve read. so, get a fresh start and start talking to a good cognitive-behavioral therapist who can help you sort out the irrational thoughts from the productive thoughts. any other considerations this is enough for most of christianity. hence by the time you hit the 30s’, most women have lost their virignity and have racked up “moderate” partner counts — but on the male side you’ve got a few men who have huge partner counts, and a lot of men who’ve had no sex at all, or very little. even today, there are still women (and even some men) who make this choice.’m not quite sure what you angle is on here. and my son’s mother knew how to get pregnant, but did not want to practice apply the skills needed to get married, so she did not get called up to the majors. will be ruined by her five minutes of alpha, unable to pair bond, grow chronically unhappy and eventually divorce dear hubs for cash, prizes and another turn on the carousel, shortening her childrens lives and dooming herself to a bitter singleness into old age. is the point of even having a conversation about any of this stuff when you might as well say to a woman in her 30s looking to marry:2) your transgressions have made you unworthy of love, respect and marriage. if you have a daughter, warn her to begin her husband quest at 18, not 28.–“[girlfriend’s name], i want you to meet my mom, [insert mom’s name here] and my dad, [insert dad’s name here]. i guess i’m one of those males that have given up too and would rather put the money in a foundation than making sure the alpha males genes are taking care of through future generations. she also tends to have little confidence in herself partly as one can see from these grasping relationships and partly from being only too happy to see herself as becoming less attractive and over the hill which is nonsense. perhaps adam should find the woman first and then figure out the kid issue instead of the other way ’round. as for worrying about making him feel like a placeholder, your other behavior will determine that., as a fellow woman, let me warn you to prepare yourself for a thrashing. sometimes a girl is blessed and has some good, loyal, supportive female friends, but a lot of the time, there’s ugliness, bullying, and betrayals that come from other women. i think lots of early and mid thirties women do find marriage partners that way. would not have even considered dating a woman aged over thirty, but as you see their average ages began to decline rather than increase. i know some (or most) might disagree with me on this and think it’s a bunch of romantic nonsense, but i think intimacy within marriage should not just be seen as a physical release, but also as a means for a husband and wife to grow closer to one another, hence the term, “intimacy. action has a consequences- when a woman “says she doesn’t want children”. she learns how to feel her feelings without allowing them to govern her conduct.– women that don’t want kids either cant or are lying- this cannot be denied. problem for older-woman + younger-man pairs is that it not stable in the long-term. my first love could attest to this if he were here (things didn’t work between us. fair enough but there comes a time when lists should be reviewed. there is plenty of evidence for differentiating between seriousness of a given, admittedly, mortal sin.’s advice is excellent but i wonder about his final suggestion – that a woman interested in a man should feel at ease to ask him out. so not only were men not told the truth; they discover everyone from their early life was either (1) woefully ignorant and hopelessly incompetent; or (2) malevolently lying to, defrauding, and deceiving them. she has a strong drive… she hasn’t saved herself to age 30 (with very rare exceptions. can’t even tell you how many indignant responses i get when i confront women with the fact that, well, yes, how many men they’ve had sex with affects their value as a woman and as a potential wife. further, women arent stuck up just bc they arent into you. reason i worked so hard to become who i am is (in part) to prove myself to a girl like her. however, i would put a marriage ahead of those things cause i guess i believe you work together to make it. he hears her, he listens to her, and he cares for her. that is why women chase “alpha men” it’s another or perhaps polite word for hot. cut the pressure on the woman, and i bet they will relax and not seem as intense as they do. to put it another way, could you make him want to surrender his freedom, his peace, his quiet, and ability to do what he wants, when he wants, how he wants?,,Anyway everyone shut up who cares… theres a lot more going on in life than this nonsense lol.,735 responses to advice to a woman in her 30s looking to marry. by the same token, while i normally am pretty wide open on comments i don’t want to tee her up for a series of cat food jokes. although i understand making wishes known sooner rather than later, it’s also important for a man (and anyone for that matter) to feel valued. do a lot of women these days just don’t get the word “settling” or actually do they think if they are this ultra ultra picky they will seriously get this imaginary fantasy god like god that meets every single “requirement” on her list? i wound up with a guy eleven years my junior; and while there are a few life stage issues now in terms of where we are in our respective careers, we are wildly happy together because we both eschewed having kids and don’t feel the least bit selfish or regretful about the choices we made. in describing the pull of remaining childfree and a more radical push away from motherhood, and by articulating a rejection of motherhood as central to their sense of femininity and identity, childfree women highlight the transformative effects of agency. when we try to pin her down on exactly how her husband was abusive we are then told that these are private matters and that she has moved on, in other words she is making it up to make herself look like a victim. i’m inclined to say it was always her responsibility even though she was completely being led in the wrong direction. the problem here is that the term “alpha male” seems to be centered around physical condition. we became intimate and very close, lived together, vacationed together, we were all but married on paper. i know another man who fell head over heels in love with a woman five years older than him. think that absolutely there are women in their 30s who believe in love and marriage. about this for non-sequitor: ‘i’ll be honest [which part of her messages by the way aren’t honest] ‘i am not reading all the replies’ and then later ‘i thank those who have been posting tips i will be taking them to heart’. some women come with kids already and there is always adoption. a result of her cheating, she cuckolds her husband with a child who is not his, of course he doesn’t know what’s going on. i would have never found my wife by going out to bars, but because she was living in a very rural area she expanded her search radius and found me. i’m not looking for a girl in her 30’s, but i’m still a guy at heart…and can outwork, outplay, out-earn and (surprisingly? think you might have missed my point – humility, morals, all encompassing femininity is very becoming and will raise any woman a couple points in my book (most men as well). we know she is without issue and has no desire for a family, although we have no idea about her n number [how many guys she has shagged before you] abortions or stds. i will have to start from scratch teaching her my expectations, expecting her trust and submission; when she has never done these things and i can expect fighting and resistance and pushback and failure every step of the way. marriage, in the end, is the taking of a vow, the joining of two people to make a family, who then have certain roles and benefits that they are then to bestow on the other. i seriously did see a statistical study showing somewhere between 5-10 years being “healthy” age gap. men really want is a nice looking woman, who stays in-shape and grows old gracefully.’m finding that when we get all the way down to the bottom of the points of most women who comment in and around the sphere, they break down into three basic categories. are 2 small examples of the red flags that some men here are referring to. i don’t know if it’s that the opinion of women in general around here is low, and so the expectation when a female poster comes along with a seeming sob story is that she’s likely to be hiding a dagger behind her back … and i’m not looking for sympathy, but it feels like i’m being picked apart because i was the female in the equation. perfect,” but certainly there has to be someone better than all the misogynists out here. but if you are a person of faith, or would like to learn, go there and be honest with people about where you are in your beliefs. is there a point when they get tired of waiting and go for other women who may be less attractive but who put out quickly? and if you aren’t here to help women do that, to find love, then you are here for the wrong reasons. even ashton kutcher divorsed demi moore before she reached 50…and ‘they were in love’. women can physically conceive and give birth up until menopause, which typically happens in a woman’s 50s and 60s. in my opinion, a woman who doesn’t want to have children doesn’t really have any reason to be getting married… outside of vanity. it seems that all men commenting here releasing accumulated aggression towards women. i know that this is true of any comment anywhere. men can’t ever make 6 figures and of those who do, it usually takes them til their 40s to get there. — is that it begs the question of why on earth would a woman want a man on those terms? dead giveaway is how these women come on here and write a paragraph about the one that got away.@perspective — “and then of course there were the women, who were just overlooked or never really approached for a relationship; in spite of being attactive and having a lot going for them. i know this man in his 30s…nothing physical has happened between us. women (attractive, lots going for them) were literally surrounded by decent guys who would’ve made good husbands and fathers. virginal woman without strong masculine men to dominate her & balance her, becomes highly dysfunctional & damaged goods. and you know this and have chosen a path as a man as others have under the guise of churchianship to not do anything to change that. i for some reason think couples should stick to there same age category within reason. nothing is more attractive in a woman that a proper lady that is a nympho in private. you’re argumentative and will rationalize everything away with ease instead of really looking deeper, or accepting you totally fucked something up somewhere…that’s when you actually get heated on here. i think there’s a certain type of guy u want, and if he doesn’t approach u, then nobody else is good enough. some dried up old whore lands a guy way above her market value she immediately thinks she can do better, mr white knight is beneath her. props if you’re actually a woman and was able to construct a post like that. they want to feel the maximum pleasure and pride when they are young, then they want a man-servant to give them a child and be financially responsible for the child, and to care for any bastards they’ve had on the way there. it is that men don’t know what “attraction” for a woman is or what it means.” the question becomes whether a man seeking marriage to a woman over 30 wants his wife to bear his children. really believe the only way a marriage can stay together is for both parties to have integrity. the wife was in her early to mid 30s and the husband was in his mid 20s. if most men prefer younger women, then wouldn’t a younger man (unless he likes older women) be even more resistant to an older woman than a man her own age?’s there for a couple to commit to, if they have no children? he also works as a mechanic, handy man, massage therapist and martial arts teacher. you can tell by the way he carries him self around her. a choice that you, and a vast majority of people here see as the wrong choice, but nevertheless it is a choice that i and many others like me are happy with. also, mothers should be putting their children first (most of them will admit this) – if so, i’d just be a second fiddle… and any children i had with her would be competing with her first-borns. such a woman might get married and even have children, but long term, it’s not going to provide for a quality or long lasting marriage. alternatively, they may simply believe that men with inferior status and earning power offer few advantages and therefore do not merit their (the women’s) investment.: you sound like a practical woman who knows what she wants and what she doesn’t., not sure if you were serious about your suggestion in your above comment to me on july 22 about using the cfbc groups as a meet and greet, but based on your assessment in your comment above to lyn87 on july 23, on how you feel cfbc groups would be a “gold mine for mgtow type to mine pussy,” i really don’t think that would be a suitable place for me or any other marriage-minded gal to look for a potential spouse. think that is particularly so if the parties do not want children, with that contract covenant removed; the woman may need to go older to find a man who doesn’t want children; and the man will look for younger (as he instinctively does if the plumbing is functional). are women capable of anything other than sympathising with other women – or is it that back-handed type of sympathy of which dalrock has sometimes written – where they gloat over their would-be rivals misfortune under the guise of sympathy? this does not leave a whole lot of time for a significant other. after we broke up ( myself being a monogamist my entire life) i decided not to enter another committed relationship. if we’d just dated, who knows if we’d still be together not even 4 years later (and you know from my above posts that i’m dead set against entering known-in-advance barren marriages). the information provided regarding history, morality, and lifestyle allow me to suggest that there was quite a bit of duress that leveraged “by choice” of the cfbc as well as other women. go out and make eye contact and smile lose weight if you need to feel confident and know in your heart you are a pleasant woman. therefore: the slut was there all along, as surely and as vilely as in the bar slut. with higher ses have higher socioeconomic standards for their male partners (townsend 1989, 1998; wiederman and allgeier 1992). both of your tones are so aggressive that they just blended together for me. in most cases a woman 4-5, even 10 years younger will still know some of these things. the fantasy project on to a woman when you see her always seem to be better than actually having her around especially when her tingle for you wears off. can use morality to explain why humans do certain things, such as not marry a woman in her mid 30s that has been partying for 15 years, but not amount of moral argument is ever going to be more powerful than the fact that men are biologically more attracted younger and more fertile females that have done less damage to their bodies over the years. my stepfather had connections to help me get summer jobs, as well, and i screwed those up because i didn’t do the work. pride that was so weak it could not survive a woman. most men learn the hard way that it gets you nowhere……and find unknown happiness in walking away from the game.’s why there were so many angry responses to alert’s post. beatiful at 40’s guy would have known from the very start that he’d have higher odds of having a kid with women in their 30s rather than 40s. to do so would damage the feminine imperative, where men must lead, and woman can do whatever they want. remember you’ve only been here at dalrock’s for less than a week…. is useful to point out that the two do not have the same value, neither to the man nor the woman. my comment was meant to point out to single men that this part of your life story should be a big red flag when considering a woman as a mate.’ve had sex with one woman outside of marriage, now that i’ve done that i should turn myself into a pua?“are women capable of anything other than sympathising with other women – or is it that back-handed type of sympathy of which dalrock has sometimes written – where they gloat over their would-be rivals misfortune under the guise of sympathy? even now in her early 30’s, don’t want children. but i guess with the ex in question – a prominent leader in the church where i met him, and being told by him that our relationship would lead to marriage – i thought i had picked a good man. there were a lot of women who were presented to me by female friends (usually wives of male friends, as i was the holdout bachelor in a large group of male comrades) who were unacceptable to me. there you will see spewing nastiness with less than half the facts you will read on this website.“cbfc people (especially cbfc women) get screwed by feminism pretty badly too, since feminism insists on special privileges for mothers… much to the detriment of the child-free. other than that, age has not been a factor at all. when a woman perceives she has “the power” it spoils whatever beauty she possess despite outward attractiveness.– my question regarding how it would be possible for women to stop having children after just 1 or 2 is “far too broad brushed”, involves spousal decision as well as many other variables. a man is desperate he’s pathetic, if a woman is desperate she’s a victim. although i think it’s quite possible that women who voluntarily choose to not have children sometimes think about what it would have been like to be mothers, and perhaps even feel some regret, i think that most are at terms with their decision and have done so with resolve. i mean i hope its a troll, otherwise she is definitely in the running for the deluded narcissist of the year award. i really don’t want to be the dickhead who tries with an older woman, for a couple of years – puts in time on the relationship, maybe get really heart-entangled – and then have to break the news to her that it’s divorce time because she’s infertile, and that i need to go try again with someone younger. a pity this realization only occurs sometime between their first dip on their social life chart and and frantically googling “how to get married at 30” or “how to get married over 30” and ending up here. a man convinces a woman to live with her, promises her the world, and decides at some point before entering into the marriage that he gets to cash in on the sex part of the contract…takes what little dignity she may have left before meeting him…destroys her hope and ability to function…crushes every good opinion she’s had about him and men in general…the man shouldn’t be held accountable, because the woman made her bed and lied in it with him. and if she wasn’t providing him with what he wanted, then why not just break up with her?’d rather be contentedly single then miserably married, but i still hope one day to at least be contentedly married. all she has now is living at home with her mum, no bloke on the horizon and works as a pa. am the regular white knight at this blog, and i am perfectly prepared to take at face value and without your even having to post a photo (this is assuredly not a dating site even with, as you say, so many miserable wretches) that you are indeed drop-dead gorgeous, that there is no difference between yourself as a 30 year old drop-dead gorgeous woman and your 20 year old pouting-nymphet self and that it is merely male misogyny that has constantly shown the average age of the miss world winner to be just under 23. i am not 40 but i do love older women, and yes i would settle down with and older woman, 5-10 years older isn’t a huge gap as some are trying to make it seem. i’m single and about to turn 29, so i’m close to my 30s, but not quite yet. the issue isn’t that baking is bad; the problem is when baking is your destiny because you don’t have other options. a young woman that bases her self esteem on her beauty has no genuine base. and, of course, they snub those guys,… and claim in the next breath that there are “no men” available. i never heard this type of comment from my mother. the other may live in a completely different and opposite societal context, that no whim may be acted on. he may change if the woman is worth it, but since i can’t hold my breath that long, i’d be on to the next one. but you chose to ignore those and focus on the 2 or 3 where i validated the op, who happened to be a man. it’s critical, because these are the women who will be having a substantial impact on your wife and her decisionmaking, most often when it comes to … you. with men over 50, a pregnancy was twice as likely to end in the loss of a baby vs younger fathers. man here knows and had an idea it was not easy. any woman her that is thirty and single and would ask a question like that, you need to be 30 plus for ever and single for any man that makes a commitment to a woman like that is getting burden and nothing else.’ve dated single mothers after my own divorce 8 years ago; i’m 44. do you and another men consider a woman with divorced parents to be a deal breaker? a woman’s career, income, and education does indeed matter to a lot of men. it may not be they norm, but not quite exceptions eithers as there are still many30+ women who find themselves in such unions. they are not looking to be a vehicle to your dna or come to websites designed to help them find love, only to find men like you here you clearly are not interested in helping women find love. friend of mine once made the mistake of marrying a woman like this. mentioned “ad nauseum” – there is a reason why or she is lying. in fact there was a 24% decrease in people saying children are “very important” to a successful marriage between 1990 and 2007. my brother has only 2 daughters (no sons) and that is exactly what he is teaching them. they–and you here–are claiming it as some sort of moral high(er) ground. many times the damage is concealed and doesn’t reveal itself until it’s too late, and sadly even she herself doesn’t know about the damage or its extent. permit me to ask a obvious question:Is there any time in history that shows women “choosing to remain childless” ? btw, most men also want a woman who will “provide” – leaving men as contributors in what way, exactly? this puts you in a very different situation when compared to a couple where neither partner desires children. but we are in our 30s and the man won’t man up. adding the princess mentality and entitlement (and other go grrrrl stuff) is like adding nos to an engine already designed for the purpose of going fast. this gives men time to court, fall in love, travel together, move in, get engaged, and enjoy a few years of childless marriage before starting a family., there is a broad documented history of catholic nuns over the centuries who has avowed to chastity and hence childless. this makes sense of why she feels like she has been treated as a whore by her ex-boyfriend.. a miracle in itself if you waited to your 30s to wed vs. moreover, as a hollywood actress in her 30’s, she has made an effort to keep herself in shape. i forgot there was no point in me doing so. is mentally & emotionally bonded to this guy, she will never be able to let him out of her head & emotions. he also mentioned about looking in the mirror and wondering what can be done to make her (wife) happy since having everything – nothing makes her happy (typical woman).. when describing herself, she uses the adjectives “fun” and “likes to have a good time” and “enjoys travel”., a woman from a broken home doesn’t know how to submit in a healthy way. feminine women (ie chastity seen mostly middle eastern culture) is incredibly attractive and much different than sexual attraction. she turned him down at first because of the age difference, but he pursued her and now they are happily married and he was the most joyful groom i have ever seen ! lots of of other 30 years olds found guys in that group. he makes me feel like the most special woman in the world. considering that any woman with an functioning uterus can have a child in this day and age – and be supported by the state – the fact that so many do not should be a big clue that they are simply choosing not to for a variety of reasons. do chores for her, go to a shitty job the rest of my life, pretend to listen to her bat shit crazy ramblings, etc.) i am a hero for pointing this out well after the damage has already been done.” i would love her with all my heart, and try to be the best father to our children that i can be. and if they feel they’re not good enough, it can be difficult to open up to another person and sustain a relationship. when you have been married, had at least one child, supported your family, and faced a culture which will try to destroy all of that through laws that support frivolous divorce, which will leave your children fatherless and hence spiritually, emotionally and quite likely physically impoverished, then by all means feel free to share your wisdom. according to stats dalrock has put up and analyzed here in expert fashion, men’s age at first marriage is creeping up and the number of men never marrying is creeping up too., a bit of the original advice from dalrock was this – ” the other group of men i would consider are men younger than you”. i can only presume it’s because the guy does or says something on the first date that repulses her – like says he’s in love with her. in mind the name of the column is “advice to a woman in her 30’s looking to marry? but quite frankly, some of us took longer than others to discern the lies. the major difference is women have a “education” and hence can inflict more damage when angered (hell hath no fury like a woman scorned 2. i an curious as to what others assume my situation might be. i personally believe that a huge part of female happiness is being a mother.. women don’t know the difference between their sexual market value, which is usually a point or two higher than their marriage market value. even after that it took me another 2 years to break up with her, because i really did love her anyway. waiting to remarry a childless woman or a woman with grown children when the woman is in her late thirties/early forties and he is in his late forties/early fifties. either they’ve no intention of waiting til marriage, or, perhaps they are trying to protect themselves against the consequences in case they “lose control” of themselves and it “just happens. agree that a woman over 30 having one (or even most) of the following that you’ve mentioned such as:…”a house/condo (or two) that is/are paid for (or at least, one with substantial equity). i’m interpreting their numbers correctly, a woman in her early 20s is fertile 20-25% of the month (about 7 days each month). here’s the secret, ladies:Your sexual marketplace value is determined by the caliber of men who are prepared to commit to you, not the men who are prepared to have sex with you. i was a cynical sort, i would be acknowledging legal marriage as this:“for a man, getting married today means you’ll probably either win small or lose big…” – lyn87. should really be added to the bible somewhere………preferably near the front. she drank and cheated on a bf; odds are she could drink and cheat on her husband. to the rest, enjoy your corner on the world wide web, and i’m terribly sorry i came across this place to intrude where i could never be welcome. her to the group of never married women who never got a serious proposal (all educated / rank 8-10/$$$,big cities ) and wondering where all the “good men are at ? my argument in fact is quite the other way around. a good example was the woman who had wearing sandals as a deal breaker. there are always outliers, oddballs, exceptions that prove the rule.,,thus far i haven’t talked about black women who are a complete train wreck in this country and i won’t consider them for even dog catcher at this point. they think they are smart by building up a career first, but they are all incredibly stupid because the truth is there isn’t really such a thing as having a child too early in life., after taking the red pill, and letting some of my natural alpha come out…i find that there are virtually no women around who want a traditional marriage. i know have learned through experience that while you still have to be choosy, you will feel much more cherished by a slightly older man. there is mounting amount of evidence that the ” cougar phenomena” is b. last dating experiences took place when i was in my mid-30s under the final days of the old regime, before the hook up culture took firm root. but, in discussion, the look on her face when i was talking about a sahm was amazing…. if you are in a situation where the majority of men approaching you are men you used to reject, then i don’t know if there is any help. i know the ex-husband but he hasn’t opened up to me about the situation saying, “i had a good woman and i screwed up”. however, what happens if they meet a woman who they would like to become involved with, but she’s saving herself for marriage? theres still a little bit of free juice left to extract. as far as other bits of racism in europe, during the european championships to qualify for the world cup in ukraine, some ukrainians barked racial slurs at some of the african players. a significant number of women marry in their 30s and (to a lesser degree) in their 40s and beyond. however, (and you may think this sounds naive and unrealistic) but aren’t there ways to work around it?: i have no doubt you hold no sympathy for either men, or men’s rights. others will shoot up their schools, murdering dozens of innocent people along the way or commit acts of terrorism. basically, why tf should a red-pill man marry unless he is sure he wants children, and with that particular woman? you didn’t ask for your circumstances and it is perfectly normal and natural –indeed, god-ordained– for you to be seeking a husband and father figure for your son. as mentioned “whatever brings two people together” will keep them together or break them apart. (oh, and i’m a professional, married with two toddlers, and one more coming next year, so the “no woman could ever want a hater hater like you! aknowledge to them that you understand that a woman is asking far too much of a man by asking him to play russian roulette with his future. you might also be disappointed when she rather go out clubbing than stay home and cook you dinner. just made the case for a blind universe where “things just do things”. he will most likely not allow her to ride rough shod over him and there will have to be some give and take. if that’s the lifestyle you’re after, then you really are talking about a child-free lifestyle rather than adapting to your personal circumstances., what has that young man done to you that you would want him to throw away his life and become a slave to the state and the whims of a woman? autism is on the rise and has been linked to older fathers. are many ways for a woman to encourage a man. the problem isn’t marriage: the problem is you thought you and her and we were good enough. in fact, he declared that a wife who calls 9-1-1 is doing the “loving” thing when she summons men to do violence on her behalf to the man she vowed to submit to. 45 and have been looking for woman to start a family with since i was 38, things just haven’t worked out the way i hoped. she had 4 babies, and one miscarriage, starting in her late 30’s. there’s a reason men rave about b-girls even though they aren’t (imo) terribly cute. there is certainly no such definition for “relatively rare,” which is what i wrote.) that she accept that she may not be able to use her own eggs for all (or perhaps any) of their children, and explicitly tells phs this. i was growing increasing frustrated that the only women interested in me where either:Had children, never married. if your daughters think they love the older guy then there is not much you can do as you may loose the daughters.) all men are being blamed for the conduct of a small minority over whom we have no control whatsoever, other than legal prosecution after the fact. first, you mentioned that your wife is several years older than you, (which i don’t think there’s anything wrong with) but just curious if her age was/is ever an issue for you? but prove yourself over time, interact with others and inquire about their lives…. return to the title of this post, i think the best thing a woman in her early thirties can do to find herself a husband is to watch younger women and try to emulate their general warmth, friendliness, and energy.“if we’re going to insist that everything everyone here writes adheres to the most strict possible use of each term according to some ambiguous definition you vaguely recall from statistics 101”. and he was not only into you, but into alot of many other women while u were away. when word gets round that a woman is a slut, men cease producing flowers and wining and dining; and make blunt propositions. a woman’s greatest gift to the family and the one she was made by god for is emotional cheer for her family. the humility i mentioned before and a painfully honest self assessment of your smv will probably come in handy here. this isn’t diagnosing a car problem – this is dealing with the real people in the real world where there are many shades of grey. i used to date guys but figured out a few years ago that i would much rather be with…. also helped put a roof over my grandmother and buy my mother a place to live. most women can have sex with men whose smvs are much much higher than theirs, probably up to 5 points higher. as a woman a smart move to “save” marriage (and this goes for you wannabe christians actual churchians calling yourself traditional saving civilization) would be rather than play pick the right woman games have the laws of misandry removed ., i wouldn’t consider either your age or the fact that you have a young son to be “strikes against” you. maybe there was a typo neither of us could detect., he had timothy “as a son in the faith” indicating spiritual fatherhood. think of the life two people past their mid-30s can share when they remove the burden of having kids. of people here have gone ‘red pill’ marine corp drill instructor on this unfortunate woman eva, and although it must be said ‘not without cause’. it speaks rather non-traditional of me that i’m among more than a few men who, after more than a decade of living alone and taking care of one’s own place (yes, men can vacuum and do dishes), would be perfectly willing to be the stay-at-home parent for a growing catholic family at least part/much of the time if his former-longterm-single wife had a career in which she had invested a long time, was far more lucrative, and which she did not yet want to completely give up (forgive me if i feel that women as well as men can have both a vocation as a spouse/parent as well as a telos as a productive member of society beyond the walls of the home — it merely means that the couple needs to work together that more closely to see the both the husband’s and wife’s small-v vocations alike supported). now, if pretending to have made no mistakes, having no regrets, is all just a bit of attempted self deception, and the mistakes made are actually known, there’s no need to dwell on them. left her first husband of whom she had two kids for a “alpha” and committed the classic “feral / hypergamous” fling of the highest proportion (the guy was a bouncer / body builder for madonna of whom she trapped with a child out of wedlock. you are surely very desirable but hardly demonstrating testosterone-driven desire for a woman. i think it’s far more important to find the woman who views being a parent in the future as important a goal as you do…. indeed, future research could explore the ways cultural discourses associated with motherhood may never have adequately explained women’s subjective experiences. (she and her husband never discussed kids; it was only after she married that she discovered she never ovulated and her husband didn’t want kids because of a family history of hereditary diseases. i ask, is this yet another game/pua technique that models itself after the behavior of women? i thought that since i was an attractive, fit, well-educated, financially and emotionally secure guy that i would have no problem finding a woman in her mid 30s to settle down with and start a family. other women down market also have a high opinion of themselves even if society doesn’t, think porn stars and i live in the san fernando valley, so dating them when you catch them at strip clubs or local watering holes is a total possibility. she views relationships as more disposable because, well, her own parents ended their marriage. a woman in her 30’s has fallen into the well. respect that you’re an mra and a father who loves his children and wants the best for them. this helps, though it’s probably not any more insightful than other comments. you read up a little higher, you will see mention of young women not wanting to date older guys who didn’t get their act together sooner., where does it say in any of my posts that i personally have been passed over? the woman who gets with the jock in high school but then marries the accountant is responding to her immediate needs. the children of older fathers have increased risks of breast cancer for their daughters by 60%, they increase the risk of epilepsy by 30%, they increase the risk of down syndrome by 37%, the risk of childhood leukemia is increased by 14%, the risk of nervous system cancers aka brain tumors is increased by 70%., jen, and any other 30 & 40 year olds looking to marry a good man,I think a lot of posters here have been overly pessimistic and negative about your chances of finding a good man to marry. the smoker chose to do that to himself, whereas the children of divorced parent’s were born into it and had no say in the matter. if jane was failing to start a career, go vacationing, move in upper class circles, and so on, then what exactly was she doing, that prevented her from finding a soul mate.
Dating a woman in her forties oh and donalgraeme is a thoughtful blogger, i don’t think his post treated you as a spectacle at all, you may be imagining something that’s simply not there. afterall, what self-respecting woman would take all the things that women exceed men at, and proceed to devalue them? it might be that some women think this, but i can’t see her making the same mistake over and over and over again – sex with hot alpha leads to either (1) pump and dump or (2) str of no more than a few months or (3) rarely, a position in a soft harem — without figuring out that her strategy of “sex leading to relationship” isn’t working very well. the import into her hamster mind is that it will always be available. in the age group you are looking, i know for a fact there are thousands of young ladies in central and south america, southeast asia and former soviet countries that would love to meet you and develop a relationship. yes, there is some risk, but how badly do you want to really fall in love with the future mother of your child(ren)? meanwhile, she is happy to receive attention from a younger man, who won’t commit to her. louisiana and new york prohibit the exclusion of coverage for a medical condition otherwise covered solely because the condition results in infertility. prenatal tests have also helped in that couples can know whether or not a fetus will have any genetic abnormalities or defects such as down syndrome. bad we were not back in the old roman days, when women were virtuous everywhere and whores were hidden in whore-houses, and men were taught to be men. someone explain why “going to church” is not listed as advice to an unmarried women in her 30s?, despite her desperate pleas if he wants her to become anything more than a sexual girlfriend he’ll ask her to marry him at his own pace. i am thankful to have someone to spend time with and enjoy experiences with but the longer we date the more clear it is becoming that it is painful for me to build something with a person who is not interested in making a permanent commitment to a shared future together. with your assumptions about me and speculation of my future and i will continue enjoying the life that i have chosen for myself with a wonderful woman. i know that they want the hot 23-27 year old (who makes her own money preferably). a man’s list, (in this case michael’s) physical attraction is high on the list of ‘must haves’……and i don’t consider that any more unique than i do a woman’s desire for a man that makes good money. there are certainly draw-backs to marrying a traditionalist man, but there are draw backs to marrying an egalitarian as well. i’ll make a note of this somewhere at the back of last year’s diary.” perhaps this is true in a few cases but i’d bet that most of them are on it for another reason. many sites encourage you to say what you’re searching for, and while some women in their mid-30’s might have their initial interest peaked by what he has to offer, they’re not sure where they stand on such an issue and so they pass. say you went from the first guy to another and then one more…. my sense is that the biggest challenge women tend to face in her position is the change in attraction which can come from being with men who aren’t likely to want to marry her. went on a 32 month break from dating back during my separation, divorce, and it continued till i felt i was ready to date again, and now i’m rolling into my 15th month of being on another and maybe a permanent hiatus after being back into the dating game since winter late fall of 2009. thankfully, i am a traditional woman (to an extent) so it worked out.? we’ll see i guess…it takes effort to achieve any kind of success out here. am ashamed for many of you on account of how you treated this woman, no matter what possible faults or discrepancies on her account you allude to. was and will always to some degree be devastated at having lost my spouse after what did not feel like a very long run together. traditional perspectives, of course, see the two as inseparable (balmer 1994), with russo coining the term „motherhood mandate‟ in 1976 to. personally i have been blessed with still looking like i am in my 20s but that is another matter 😉 people are living well into their 80s and provided you look after yourself there is nothing negative about being over 30. you seem stuck with an idea of a woman as some depreciating asset. of this is predicated on her being somewhat mobile in terms of employment. you’re a plain, unattractive working stiff woman who couldn’t secure commitment from the hot alpha you wanted for sex and marriage. it was directed at the person mention in the article but it seems everybody wants to get personal when i point out that women in america are not the cat’s meow and that other possibilities exist. it’s not universal, nor is it common, but neither is it unheard of. the couple’s son les brown jr said that 94-year-old helen brown died on july 16 and 94-year-old les brown died on july 17 in southern california…. but i read a lot of philosophical books, because there was a time that i focused obsessively on getting married, to my own detriment. a man to be sexually experienced, generally makes him more appealing to women (even religious women who in theory should prefer a virgin man… though there are a few exceptions.“a woman coming from a divorced family contributes to a lack of morals on her part. jls assumes she will find a man in a similar position to her: he was hot and popular in his 20’s, spent 7 years with a girl who “wasn’t right for him” and is now looking for a slightly less passionate love story, a life companion. looks like even with all of daddy’s work connections (hey daddy worked hard to throw other more qualified and accomplished people out of work so you could take flopsy to the south of france! other reasons were that i could tell i wasn’t interested – she didn’t smell or feel or “taste” right. if the world is your oyster and you can get hot women well into your 40s and the dating market favors you, why do you seem so consumed with tearing down the women here?“a 30 plus year old woman with the eyes i have now is not marriage material on the face of it. that there should be a reason for men to be so much aggressive towards women and my guess is that they don’t get what they want, maybe it was too harsh to call them “loosers”, but still. i haven’t labeled her a whore, but clearly pointed out that she’s been living as a whore. then i think to myself, the only reason is because of the consequences from her age, and watching her options shrink (yet still lying to herself oblivious of how men actually feel/see her at 30 vs. that’s a good way for women either or both of sub-9s/older than mid-twenties to find themselves at 50 childless and alone (but for their 10 cats), wondering just when their prince charming will come., i’ve heard and observe the tendency for people to become more set in their ways as they age, but i’ve also seen the opposite, where some are able to mature and overcome a lot of the foolishness that afflicted them when they were younger, more naive and less experienced (and i mean life experience, not sexual). and if so, what was it that made you overcome that and go on to date and marry her? like your electrical engineering class, there are certain irrefutable laws of physics that are not going to rescind themselves because someone ‘feels’ it should be that way. i’m doing this because of how grossly misrepresented childfree women are here and want to set the record straight. perhaps you were thinking of darling where she plays the ultimate in hypergamous women – or dr zhivago, where she plays yet another slut or far from the madding crowd, which i have not seen – another slut – you get the picture.-yes if it’s your wife and your child and she married you during her prime years. but don’t wait too long, once you hit your mid-30s, you’re probably not going to be able to have kids and you won’t be as attractive to real men. i have not been able to make such a deep connection with anyone but i know i can only be with someone i love as much as her. would say one way to think of it, dalrock, is for people to recognize that there is a difference between their smv and their mmv — that is, between your sexual market value and your marriage market value. as the old joke goes: you don’t have to beat the bear, you just have to beat the other camper. team woman only looks after their own when it is their personal best interest. just want to point out, that any woman who goes the lawyer up and sue route for a perceived transgression is a huge red flag!” when she asked what i found attractive in a woman .’re either a no-sack having white knight mangina screwup, or a woman eternally living in fantasyland. male promiscuity is not only not necessarily unattractive to women but has far less serious consequences for men than for women – we are the catch; we do not have to marry if we do not wish to – so women have to make marriage worth a man’s while, and promiscuity is not a deal maker (other than for pump and dump). where have i ever claimed to be an expert on much besides my profession, power lifting and myself? it’s like to be a woman in online dating.” yes, you can go ahead and call me clueless, but i still believe that if it’s a good match,there’s a high chance of the marriage lasting.“a virginal woman without strong masculine men to dominate her & balance her, becomes highly dysfunctional & damaged goods”. compared to a lot of women out there, you’re in good shape. you had a dime for every women who came shrieking in here screaming “not what i expect from christians ifhjefuiwnhfidqwieqweb”, would you listen when the world came to your door begging you to release the global supply of copper? virginal woman, outside of a traditional patriarchial society, is worthless. in both cases where i filed lawsuits (specifically because it was such a big deal), the party i was suing cut me a check for all that i asked for just hours before we went to trial (that way they didn’t have to pay a lawyer to show up in court to represent them in what would have been a sure loser for them. suppose there could be women who feel bad about themselves because the type of men they’re most attracted to don’t seem to give them the time of day. are plenty of women online in their late 30’s who already have kids and don’t want more or maybe would like to have more kids that will date men in their early 40’s but of course those 40 something guys have to be “hotter”,”richer”,better job etc than their 30 something counterpart. if you peruse dozens of other emails written by clueless men, you can see when i gave them the smack down. and actually there are studies that have shown that older women often have more intelligent children. one of the members cheated on his spouse, and the extended family performed an intervention and got the couple back together. mentioned, women that don’t want kids either cant or are lying- this cannot be denied. my mother suffers from narcissism and is quite abusive, even and especially when she’s being worshiped like she demands. her marriage market value is determined by the caliber of men who are willing to commit to you, not the men who are prepared to have sex with you. just to be clear from the start, i did my research and came back here to discuss the subject of being childfree and will not respond to other issues because i don’t feel it’s worth my time. first time either fox news or cnn were mentioned in this thread of 1400+ comments was in your post accusing me of speaking about them. she squanders her own money, why should she be trusted with the fruit of a man’s labor? we fear that in ten years, when you are, say, 44, your wife, by then, a saggy menopausal 51, and your looks and height still attractive to women in their twenties, that you may be motivated to stray, which without the motivation a family might bring to stiffen your resolve – for what could possibly be stopping you – will lead you to do just that, which would of course be quite unfair on your wife, and she – frankly then past her sell-by-date – will be left unhappy and unable to do much about it, other than to divorce. what’s more unsettling is the people here trying to help her find a man to help raise her illegitimate children. you have been brainwashed your entire lives into believing that the only woman worth desiring is a young one. point of this post was advice to a woman in her 30s looking to marry. while it is not the norm, or what is typical, there are some successful older woman/younger man pairings, if they are happy, it’s not mine or anyone else’s place to tell them that they are full of s***. the difference between the woman in her early 20s and the one in her early 30s is that the younger one can often get marriage on her terms whereas the 30 year old woman is probably going to marry an older man than the 20 year old will be. she either ages out or “cheats” and the chump knows it isn’t his. she wanted to marry him very badly, and he told her to forget about it unless she gave him a child. in their 30s think they should marry men practically the same age as themselves.“i’ve had sex with one woman outside of marriage, now that i’ve done that i should turn myself into a pua? they have given hope to legions of women who would have at one time thought they had let the opportunity of motherhood slip by. i agree that yes there are some older men that have the same negatives as the younger guys. to an extent, these things can be demonstrated by a pleasant demeanor, smiling, looking and acting feminine, but my guess is a woman who is actually able to vocalize her appreciation and love is the one who often most clearly and perhaps effectively gets those feelings across. i think you`ve done a good job throughout this thread presenting your stance, but it seems as though some of whom you`ve debated with are just not ever going to accept or believe that there actually is more than just an extremely small percentage of women who don`t ever want to have children simply because they don`t want to. and that’s a transition that, i think, can be quite hard for some women to make if they become used to dating higher smv men than the men in their smv peer banding. the i and o are right next to each other on the touch screen, and i didn’t proof read?’s client paid to join great expectations and eharmony but doesn’t follow thru and meet the men they set her up with?’s a good, family oriented woman and that’s why my buddy married her. so you shit on her – because you are a useless sack-of-shit and that’s all you got. course there will be guys that will bend over your needs and they’ll modify their plans to stick with yours… but you don’t want them… that’s not the alpha you want. first, even if one has been sober or clean for years, it’s possible they could for them to become addicted again, second, while i’m no expert on the subject, i have read that addiction or rather addictive personality can be passed on to offspring, so there could be a future risk to not only the stability of their marriage, but also the health and well being of their children. dare say your last name is probably indeed hyphenated, displaying to all the castration your father received at the hand of your mother. because there is an entire subsection of society that will be more than happy to have sex with a hot woman and pay her to leave. it may not guarantee it, (and i don’t think there’s really anything that does) but i believe it would definitely be a start. i don’t necessarily think a woman who marries without wanting children is what you define as a “phreak.. many women have nothing to offer other than their bodies. but like i said contrary to popular opinion with people that read my comments on here, women like me. otherwise each time we addressed any topic we’d have to send lengthy surveys and do interviews of everyone involved or mentioned so we could consider said as individuals. i know a lot of guys in their mid-late 20s that are in committed relationships and have already had kids. in fact, i think dating in your 30s is actually pretty rad! single-mom rates herself as “hot” and “very attractive” because her friends told her, or the “dating experts” determined this “scale” and her ego (edging out god) took over. in marriage, there is neither to inspire the wife to behave well.“…children from a fatherless home are:5 times more likely to commit suicide. uncle was divorced twice and he still found a decent woman to marry him, third time a charm (hope his kids are that lucky.” you have to love yourself whether you are 21 with full lips and perky breasts or whether you are 31 and single or 45 and nearing menopause. adherents of feminism have had a miscontrued and misguided concept of what feminism is really about and that might account for some of the negativity directed towards the movement. she can more then empathize when her daughter calls her from college at 22 and is stressed about a dating/relationship situation or upset. is true that there are a distressingly large number of false accusations (see, for example, the innocence project, which has unmasked many such. the question is whether those attractive females actually are attracted to the men willing to marry them. and it is very easy to strike up a conversation since, as a woman, you need advice on the best wood-glue, or power saw or whatever., if a woman were to assess a man’s worth by his height or bank account she would be judged as shallow at best and likely with a barrage of other insults at worst. it might be that some women think this, but i can’t see her making the same mistake over and over and over again – sex with hot alpha leads to either (1) pump and dump or (2) str of no more than a few months or (3) rarely, a position in a soft harem — without figuring out that her strategy of “sex leading to relationship” isn’t working very well. the author surveyed over 4000 people without children, whether by choice or by circumstance and continues to do so today, adding to the stats. i agree it’s true that some people (both men and women) have a hard time with self-control, but there’s also those who do somehow manage to keep their raging hormones in check until marriage. and you are more than free to find websites that align with you ideology and where you can spend all day long talking on the internet about your imagined biological superiority. i don’t think you will come off as desperate to the right woman (i know that sounds too romantic and wishful). try browsing through some childfree websites and you will find plenty of guys wishing they could find a woman who doesn’t want children. ideally, i’d like to find a guy who is about 2 years older than me, but i’d rather date up a few years than date someone more than 2 years younger. reasons dating in your 30s is better than dating in your 20s, according to men. remember the question on this post: what can a woman in her 30s do to give herself a leg-up in the marriage market? the men who were interested in me, at 42, were in their late 20s to late 30s and did not want kids (neither do i), who were relieved to find a woman who wasn’t all over them to get married and start a family right away, the way the women in their mid-30s tended to be.“a woman virginal or otherwise is worthless to society without strong masculine men, to put her in place”. am a 39 year old woman and i just have to say maybe you have all waited too long to have kids. your assumption that a woman’s value is her in her fertility is a little like saying a man’s value is his wallet. fall in “love”, and are attracted to each other… and often this lasts only a few years. i love my wife and the life we have together and couldn’t imagine a life that completely revolved around raising a child. that a racial epithet that you threw in there at the end for good measure?: any woman that requires “hormonal birth control” to control “heavy menstrual cycles and other pms symptoms”…. woman in her child bearing years would remain in a ltr without seeking marriage ? who knows, but unless those of us here who are discussing the issue swell to something close to a majority, i can’t be optimistic. why does it bother you so much that a man wants a woman his age? this goes to any other man who has waited till he is 40 to settle. however, and this may just be me, but i tend to relate best to men who are *slightly* older than me and, at 37, a 42 year old man is rather desirable. jdm says she is a 7 or an 8 so it is hardly surprising that dalrock’s advice for those who have difficulty finding a man is of no use to her – advice such as deferring to a man, and trading excitement for long-term stability. further: she approached him rather than he taking the initiative.. is willing to subordinate her needs to those of the family and to me. so we see it written here many times that the guys you are interested in aren’t interested in you but the guys who are interested in you, you aren’t interested in them. castigated a woman for spending years 20-28 with the same guy in the hope of winding up married. if he says “unsure,” and she assumes that he is willing to have more kids, then that is on her. can almost hear the little patent-leather slip-ons drumming on the cubicle’s carpet-tiles.*you have to understand that virtually all research done on female fertility, until recently, does not consider paternal age as a possible influence on a woman’s odds of getting pregnant. my approach is to pull her out of the well first and then talk with her about correcting her mistakes and making changes going forward. more expensive shoes (salvatore ferragamo instead of uggs and dollar store flats), better fitting dresses of a higher quality (michael kors not forever21), better accessories (tasteful prada not the same obnoxious coach purse everyone else had courtesy of daddy at 21). years ago he married a woman from the philippines as he found himself in a similar situation to the original poster. just don’t give up your dream choosing a local woman, that will be messed up in her head, while you still have a choice. feedback for perspective: i can in general find something aesthetically pleasing, and something not-so-much-so in just about every woman. perhaps it is something some of the men on here may understand more than others. education for women for a woman is not waste if her values/morals remain intact. men weigh physical attractiveness more highly than anything else when looking at a woman. i thought was particularly worrisome is that, in the end, he came right back to, “be a man and get married” without addressing what that means in today’s environment wherein biblical marriage is, in fact, illegal for all practical purposes. you don’t seem to listen to what’s in a woman’s heart. i’m generalizing here and of course, the female reading this is the exception. for as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: so we, being many, are one body in christ, and every one members one of another. the manosphere you will hear how marriage sucks for men. eyes, boxer – i’m guessing you’re an “s” rather than an “n” according to the mbti. it’s likely some random white knight man posting, or a really good feminist woman.., nothing but a forum for miserable, lonely, pathetic, dickless, hate-spewing sperm-waste excuses for little boys who live in their mothers’ basements collecting unemployment and playing xbox games), why do they dignify us with their precious attention and their “pearls of righteous wisdom” that we mere swine are obviously incapable of absorbing? having a child with a woman is “risky” when she’s older…maybe you should have had kids when you were younger as well. sometimes you have to tune out other people because people are full of negative baggage, anger, expectations, jealousy and pessimism. get a reality check, man – the cold hard truth is that you’d prefer buying yourself a woman from some disadvantaged country than actually invest in your looks and do lots of inner work to eliminate the deep seated hate you have for women. and having in mind her age her dad might actually be is his late 50s-early 60s, it is normal that she associates them more with her dad than with her peers. to say but in review what she is offering, there will be few if any takers regardless where she is at. i’ve read various posts from you guys about how much power a woman has over a man. asked “would someone explain why “going to church” is not listed as advice to an unmarried women in her 30s? read all of my points here, before forming an angry opinion. still think there’s hope for u, if your genes are as good as u laid them out to be. if she doesn’t have an inflated idea of who she should be marrying, puts her career ahead of marriage, or simply wants to sleep around, then how exactly does that happen?“as i was saying earlier the only reason a man has for marrying a woman is to have a uterus on had to grow his children in.“i think there is a balance buried in here somewhere between the fact that i behaved dishonorably and whorishly and the fact that in the end, it worked out.“living with a woman full time is the daily death of a man’s soul, pride and dignity. he’s acknowledging her interest while showing his own interest in her, but at the same time he’s not appearing overly eager. you are either here to support women or support your own agenda. and girlfriend are together and date in college for a year or so. what i find so ironic about men like you is that you make these ridiculous claims about american women only wanting a small sliver of so-called alpha men (despite all evidence to the contrary that the vast majority of american men successfully date and marry if they want to) but then out of the other side of your mouth you spew a list of criteria that women you want must have (youth — as you’ve stated ad nausuem here, extraordinary beauty, etc.: she had plenty of opportunities her whole life to marry a worthy man. i agree that there is a certain “i’m looking for a breeder” tone that if its in his profile might be a turn-off. there were no statically significant differences in sexual orientation, sexual preferences, engaging in risky sexual behaviors, frequency of masturbation, and history of sexual abuse between the groups. she is nothing, will be nothing and no one on this planet will ever respect or remember her. either they’re all lying to him, or, there’s something else they want that he isn’t providing… in which case, “wwhhhaaaaattttt? read some of comments here and it’s so sad. i find that websites focusing on issues that affect singles are either “doom and gloom” oriented or “rah rah rah, it’s great to be single”. surely there must be at least one in particular that sticks in your mind. and then there are many guys aged 35 who are still “sleeping’, being ultra picky, looking for the bestest of the bestest. is it possible to be deeply religious (i’m meaning specifically christian here, biblically so) and not want children? she’s also posted similar requests for advice elsewhere, and is going to compare the results? divorce or not wanting to bring them into a world where they’ll be exposed to so much. a traditional woman who takes the traditional role seriously needs to be prepared for the demands that may be expected of her.–pays attention only to the very best looking men; had grown accustomed to attention from top men; attention now plummeting and her smv nosediving because she has to disclose she has herpes. you didn’t ask for your circumstances and it is perfectly normal and natural –indeed, god-ordained– for you to be seeking a husband and father figure for your son. first of all, according to this post women in their 30s looking to marry should shift their focus from men in general to marriageable men. it kind of reminds me of the people who say there is no sexual component whatsoever in rape, not because it’s true, but because it helps them cope better. her family is stable, no history of divorce, she was a state ranked swimmer, low maintenance and could give sugar lessons on being sweet. the smoker chose to do that to himself, whereas the children of divorced parent’s were born into it and had no say in the matter. site is painfully accurate in describing the landscape of dating a woman over 30. who’s business is it of yours to say that others cannot do what god has allowed? if she has a right to look out for herself; those men have every right to do so as well., however, tell her to lean on her own understanding; to depend upon herself and her “personal development”; to leave when she has found the one place that will tell her the truth. we’re looking to piss magic fairy dust or fart rose-blossomed unicorn farts there’s plenty of feminist “women are the greatest” sites out there to which she could pose her question. i also have to worry about my older brother who lives in the city in which i am planning a move because i know he is going to size up any person that i might date. we are talking about things that their grandmothers did as a matter of daily routine (cooking, laundry, clothes mending, ironing, to name just a few).“women who are virgins past 30, in the church, generally either have stratospheric expectations of men (6 feet tall, movie-star looks, high income, studying to be a pastor… ) and/or…. she was an only child and extremely close with her mother. but if he’s able to really get to know and observe the woman in question and she’s proven that she has changed (personality flaws and insecurities) then i don’t see why he wouldn’t. her occasional temper tantrums and mind games are still worth it because she is in her sexual prime. there’s no point in beating yourself up for something you cannot foresee. what we usually see are wyst’s type, the ones who swoop into the fray of conversation out of nowhere, immediately begin whining about all the “hateful, misogynist comments” and then launch into a blamestorming sob story about their own “victimhood” at the hands of a man (or multiple men) who was/were demons in human form, her suffering being all his/their fault, she having been merely an innocent little flower. and yes, that is your personal issue, not women who are single and over the age you have set in your own head where they lack worth. but take at least a year and get yourself together. exclude, at her own request, perspective – and her thirty one comments. there are more than enough people having children out there and a small percentage of us deciding against it will not lead to the extinction of our species. is key, as men arent very good at knowing if a woman is interested in him. all u get to be is a social leper and idiotic, whilst whores are praised everywhere for their “empowerment”. we loved each other and still do, however now we love and respect each other in a way ex’s can after time, hopefully the way first husbands and wives of this generation should be blessed with when 50% of them divorce. still doubt i would personally aim for a very overweight woman, but i could be much more flexible on some of that if the attitude was right. i’m not sure how old you are, but there is little to no difference between democrats or republics. it reminds me of one married woman whom i know of (as she used to visit my friend for extra-curricula sex) and who had had her uterus removed – and for no medically compelling reason, and whilst still in her twenties. such a woman would be better advised to pursue a career providing sexual services for a fee, as dr johnson once observed to boswell. uncomfortable situation unless she finds man “just like the old one” who did the same thing to another woman (ie uncommitted long term relationship) and hence it doesn’t matter. i find the latter hard to believe, but find this mantra in every profile of every professional woman online. was willing to take on another guy’s kid(s) in addition to having my own…. at this level of morality – men dont respect women, nor honor/cherish women and the concepts of marriage. there’s not much a medical doctor can do for pms; you just take some aspirin, use a heating pad and just deal with it.“women who have left the care/protection of their fathers to purse a high education are a casualty without knowing it. why would any woman stick around with a jock past 25 is beyond me; yet i’ve seen it happen time and time again. are three highly likely outcomes:She continues with her current activities of dating the most attractive men she can find, who continue to refuse to commit to her. don’t know what to tell you, other than your actions do come across as desperate. constructive article i read a minute ago and summarizes helping single women over 30 who have had other concerns or life events which may have left “husband hunting before 30” off their list of priorities. would a woman who loves others as much as she loves herself deprive her children of their father, or use the courts to deprive her husband of his income and his children? seriously, be specific, but know where you can compromise too. it’s the girl that was not picky enough and lacked confidence in her twenties. so for discriminating men a woman looking good in her late teens is a maybe, whereas a woman looking good later is a better bet. in some ways each is worse than the other, and for different people. you are here for shits & giggles, don’t let the door hit you on the way out.“there is not a chance of you being a slut”. adam, sad to say…you’ve had your chance to meet women who are in child bearing age and can have your children when you were in your 20s and early 30s. are they worth getting out there and meeting new people? she did have a rough go of it, as did many women of her era, and i appreciate your good wishes on her behalf. while there are exceptions, most younger women (most women in general) prefer to be with a man who is within the same age bracket as we are.“children’s children are the crown of old men; and the glory of children are their fathers..s, artistic bums, and ‘dine and dashers’ eagerly tear into her feast, chomping, licking, and slurping up her scrumptious succulent dishes and drinks. putting it the other way round: would a woman think it worth taking a chance with a man who spent his youth high on dope or stupified with alcohol or unemployed and drifting?“no 21st century woman with an iq over 70 would do any of this or put up with any of this”. how come you want to keep her trapped at home and be the breadwinner yourself?’s frustration comes from the fact that his plan to acquire a mate has not worked to date; as many women foolishly believe one or more of the following:• marriage will always be there me. (and daddy wonders why his own marriage is either on life support or dead and buried., but she can stop making those same mistakes in her thirties. single women in their mid-thirties tend to fall into one of two categories;either the carousel-rider or the weird and bad-tempered, but i fear that the normal but virginal are as rare as the arabian phoenix (a bird much spoken of but little seen). rather, love is one of my top ‘what i wish to have in life’ things (i think there is a bit of a difference). it means she does not impose her will on him or the relationship., were any woman who worked in the northern virginia / dc / pg county area, or the nyc metro area, to ask the questions she has asked, i’d suggest right up front trying to find a way to move. the husband in question is in his mid 20’s, that would make him 24-26. before lowering the rope you lecture her, “you should have been more careful, you should not have been texting while you were walking.“god help the morons” has all these things going against her. the case of your wife with her endometriosis (btw, my ex-wife of 19 years had it also). and i could say other things about the benefits, but the main thing is that we should avoid being reductionistic in talking about what we “get from” marriage. however, strength in a woman is not nearly the same as strength in a man., with the woman’s character as the sole adherent binding her to a marriage and to a promise that everyone around her encourages her to break, don’t you think it’s a good idea for men to assess that woman’s character, past and present?, there’s a lot of clueless older men here that will probably never find love.” how i interact with men in real life, or whether or not i’m capable of “signalling attraction to a man,” if you’ve never met even me? to “submit” to a husband in the biblical sense of the word means a woman giving up/back these unearned bennies and assuming some responsibility and accountability (by submitting to both god and her husband), which is like asking a chronic heroine addict to go clean, cold turkey. that is what this conversation is about and what it has always been about from where i sit … there is always a way to tell someone what they need to hear without being a dick. any “rules” she has had to follow are set by a mother, who is herself ruled by emotion and whim and is thus easily manipulated. elsberry, a married 27-year-old mother of two, had her tubes tied in 2009 after she had trouble finding a job and she and her husband grew worried about the financial burden of any additional children. our creator knows that we naturally love ourselves so much that when he tells us to treat others well he made a radical demand, and he uses our love of self as the benchmark we must meet. i know advocates that either men or women should marry people for whom they feel no attraction. nothing wrong with a woman doing what it takes for her man.: if she has a strong drive… she hasn’t saved herself to age 30 (with very rare exceptions. the fact that one roommate is hurt by this does not mean that there is any legal repercusions. have seen men in their 30′s look at woman in their 50′s who have that look, give off that energy, and i can tell that for a second, he was in awe by her. this is a regular conversation a woman’s primary doctor have with us. her attraction to her husband settles into grudging routine and mild arguments. i don’t think anyone has said a woman can’t get married past 20, they’ve said that a woman can’t get married to their make-believe alpha male who is marriage compatable in their 30’s and 40’s.” thus, a woman who submits to her husband means that the husband must exercise responsibility for her moral and spiritual well-being as well as major decisions influence her and the family’s lives. there are plenty of men around who are attractive enough that a woman needn’t marry a guy who doesn’t do it for her. i wasn’t able to get a criminal conviction against the man (charges were filed but dropped by prosecution for ‘insufficient evidence’), but i’m in the middle of a civil lawsuit against him and the church i joined where i met him, since that church actively tried to cover up that he had assaulted me. to this observer, it appears you cannot abide the idea that there could be anywhere, any tiny shred of anti-feminist thought. is a interesting tidbit from below that is backed up and reasonable (i could go a bit deeper with stats & outcomesbe gentle since chances are i am treading in a rather emotional “mine field” and dont wish to distress a woman on this rather delicate topic in addition to being off topic regarding the original blog.“a women over 30 doesnt need advice to get married unless she is unatractive or has other issues a women at 30 is more sopisticated than her at 20 and will attract the same kind of guy”. — is that it begs the question of why on earth would a woman want a man on those terms? i’ll make a note of this somewhere at the back of last year’s diary. i do however believe that there reasons-not all of which are selfish, as to why some may not want to have any of their own. i hope you and other young men coming up now don’t have to learn it the hard way, as i did. i know these are exceptions, (and really i don’t think 5 years is much of a difference in either direction) but they do happen. a woman has a much better chance of having healthy children with younger men, than older men. when i was in my late 30s/early 40s i lived with a woman that was 15 years older than me. my goal is not to make light of the potential issues but rather put them in perspective. our response determines the final outcome (blame other people, avoid responsibility, repeat the same mistake over & over ala rationalization hamster or learn a painful lesson from it – btw, its a good idea to learn from others and their mistakes). thanks to deti and others who have posted great advice, i can start that conversation and have at least some answers to the questions i know they will ask and objections they will raise. of the things i see some otherwise attractive women do that just makes me question their sanity is getting tattoos.@cfman “there are quite a few childfree women and men who know that this statement is complete nonsense.“from what i’ve gathered from the men who post here, you are looking for the outliers. lot of men are coming to the rather obvious conclusion that it’s not really a wise decision to marry at all. she said she loved me but that she was 4 years older that kids was not a good idea to her. why not just accept that it is another person with different views on life? i a condemned for critical review of pointing out grossly obvious flaws- then your premises are ill founded and a red herrings since they record the consequences and it is not designed to capture the specific “cause/reason” among other things- get it ? i don’t feel i was trying to “refute” any kind of “logic,” and i don’t think i “dropped the previous line of rationalization and started a new one,” as i explained before, i was just trying to introduce a new subject in my other post. the truth is that ship hasn’t sailed, maybe only if you consider woman from western society but even then it hasn’t sailed. after all you have committed yourself to provide for her for the rest of your days even though you could easily have attracted any number of women a decade younger than yourself – you were not without options, so why settle. this whole time we’ve been speaking in the abstract; about how the types of sins of types of people affect themselves and others. avoid the so-called ‘professional’ therapists – they are steeped in the kind of ‘wisdom’ you don’t want (i. it’s when men want to play around and not grow up until they are 40 and then expect that they deserve a younger woman after they had their play time. as deti and others noted before all a girl has to do is be pretty and nice and men will flock to them. rejection is merely laughed at, for to be rejected by a slut does not affect a man’s smv and reveals the woman to be a hypocrite; to sleep with a slut however may well lower a man’s smv both in the eyes of other men and of other women – no one was ever thought well of for going with a prostitute. those look like crocodile tears to me, because had she really wanted marriage, then how come she had not managed that in her early twenties if not before – in some later message i will bemoan the fact that i am not a nobel prize-winning scientist or dot-com millionaire and expect much sympathy. suggest its time to give a good woman your heart and actually want to be in a relationship with someone before you place these large expectations on them. what’s good for the goose… don’t you realize that women don’t want to date someone who looks like their fathers any more than you want to date someone who looks like your mother? the childless women bit, i have met only two childless woman in my entire life who was childless by explicit choice. she can not go back and change the mistakes she made in her 20’s. a five can post a dating profile and will have 30-50+ emails in her box the same day – from guys out of her league. arguments are self effacing whether you realize it or not – here is a example:“i have not ridden the carousel as you guys put it. fact that you compare paragraph #1 with paragraph #2 means you lack the most basic fundamental level of discrimination that men demand of other men (the same discriminaton that society does not demand of people like you) because you are a woman. mentioned, there is no outcome data of cf and i suspect there will eventually be some sort of data however, it will be awhile before 25 year landmark data arrives. he found all of that in his now wife and that is why he married her. i think that’s wise for me to avoid being seen as even more insane than others have already pointed out to me. in other words one put too much emotional energy into women who were not, i am afraid to say, no matter how interesting or attractive, worthy of considered attention. she hasn`t been able to make a selection by then, in her mind its still the mans fault. there’s single women who were approached when they were younger by good, marriageable men but perhaps lacked the confidence needed to be with such a man. i am married father of 3 and a soldier in the war on men. in lacanian terms he is looking for the ‘objet petit a’ which either does not exist or is merely excrement.’s important is the exhibition of true repentance; whether from what we consider plain old vanilla sins like lust in the heart, or from a lifestyle of bed-hopping, or from the continual seduction of her boyfriend. aren’t enough sophia lorens and jane russells to go around either. in the weirdness of this world we both lost brothers, both brothers had the same favorite song and we both have weirdly similar tattoos. are “exception to the rules” and to suggest that “exception to the rules of women that do not want children ” is from education, higher income (ie increased opportunities ) is unfounded and unreasonable. in life, a balance is needed and i hope that the balance that aaron achieves is not that of the single mother he says he might settle for in two years. i was going to prove how worthless it was to lead and protect my undeserving, and rebellious wife by doing what was good for her according to biblical standards, as best i was able to see, and even if it killed her. child support isn’t as devestating as a divorce and all the bs that comes with it but it is similarly harmful to the man, so also aknowledge the risk he is taking by having a child with you, as well as the potential emotional damage that can be caused to him to see his child’s life ruined by a reckless mother. advice to a woman in her 30s looking to marry….“and her ex somehow escaped the filter of her intuition. but i’m not going to sit here all day and justify my reasons for being with her. (please god don’t let her ask to explain tickle spot on dalrock’s blog)”. for we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.?” i don’t take it in, i just go by whether their physical appearance suggests they’re young or old to the extent that it makes me feel uncomfortable. ( for the record i have recently heard or read someplace that the average age of a girl to loose her virginity used to be 16/17, and in the past decade apparently about 90%of girls under 14 have had sex! these rationalizations have a tendency to build on each other with the result of a self-convinced view of reality that is quite at odds with objective reality. the vast majority is for sexual reasons… either she is not sexually available, or not willing to put out in reasonable time, or she is not “clicking” with him – which translates in “she’s not (going to be) fun to have sex with”. i was 38 and my wife was 34 when we found each other on the internet.“if your best friend met her husband in line at the grocery store, shouldn’t you get to meet yours in the same way? so, even if she manages to get pregnant, there is a 1 in 5 chance she will miscarry. for advice… here are some things that may help:1) date with intentionality. imagine if i had a women yelling at me calling me an idiot for working full time for free, demanding i get a regular job instead, to help buy her the things she “deserved”.’s been a lot of talk about this phenomenon here on my blog. an occasional brief dating and bedding, however realized this was not someone i wanted to engage with further. said:someone castigated a woman for spending years 20-28 with the same guy in the hope of winding up married. the only men willing to actually commit to her are men she is not attracted to. i’ve never been to a meeting of cfbc people, although they have them near where i live. the other three, the husband had waited, but the wife had not (married in their late twenties). i too want a family because the woman i married lied is not my fault but now is my problem. offer absolutely no constructive advice even though the title of this page is advice to women in their 30s looking to marry. is thought that the higher divorce rate in 2nd marriages is due to people staying together “for the sake of the children” in their first marriage. that’s exactly what men on men’s sites discuss when they’re talking about child support (where we’re forced to work to pay for a child whose birth we never agreed) and frivorce (where we’re forced to work to pay for a divorce to which we never agreed). the flip side, i have seen men in their 40s and 50s state they want kids yet they indicate an age range of 35-45 in their search stats for a woman. cbfc people (especially cbfc women) get screwed by feminism pretty badly too, since feminism insists on special privileges for mothers… much to the detriment of the child-free. good for her, but if her intention was to get other women to act more like her, why not write a book about how happy she is about her life choices—rather than generalize from a set of flawed data, purporting to “help” young women “plan” to have babies early? a man doesn’t want to take on a woman whose body is falling apart; and if he decides to take on that risk he has a right to know what he’s getting into. it certianly isn’t the men labelled this, that, or the other who are telling women that they aren’t of value, but the ‘feminists’.” or maybe she needs to ditch her gay friends; they’re a straight repellent. certain amount of nawalt going on here today i see.@cf “for the guys who do find women well before they hit “the wall”, do you plan on using a time machine to keep her young forever? i’m grateful that in spite of her faults, i had a mother who modeled hygiene, health, and feminine dress and presentation very well, and i keep myself up to look sweet without being slutty.“there is not a chance of you being a slut”. it’s just about her and not about the person “loved”. it certianly isn’t the men labelled this, that, or the other who are telling women that they aren’t of value, but the ‘feminists’. they just shack up together (for whatever reason, maybe they just want ot save money? you even admitted yourself that there are exceptions to the rule. i had 1k dollars for every woman who has said “he’s the one i love and irreplaceable to me” and went to whoring as soon as her beloved deployed i could own a second gt 500. you came from a home that had a moral /stable father in place. a quality guy will respect that and if he really likes her, will stick around. bar bad luck (which can happen) you need to ask some very hard questions of a woman aged over twenty eight as to why she wants (if at all) to marry. i do not see where he intended to trick women. might argue that one does more overall damage to individuals and society than the other; but if so, the ranking isn’t obvious. there are two problems with women who hang out with men as “just friends” all the time:A. a woman asks a man out, she runs the risk of rejection; this is something women are not used to. if you are so thoroughly convinced that i am a woman and a troll, why are you still trying so hard to prove me wrong? i should ignore most of what is here if all you guys want is super model stick figures who want to be stay at home moms. i desperately need the comfort that comes from having a man who i can view as an equal and someone i can admire who wants to protect me and cherish me. i consider myself a messianic gentile, and very much enjoy reading the old testament too… but am constantly amazed and overjoyed at how both covenants are revealed through each other. realistically speaking, he is going to have to find either a woman in her 40s who wants to have kids (not impossible for sure) or try to court a younger woman. even “christian” (once again, as opposed to churchian) fathers have generally been so steeped in feminist dogma, without even knowing it, that they at least subconsciously think that any potential husband for their pwecious wittle pwincess is going to be a loutish, irresponsible brute who ultimately beats, demeans, and abandons her. having said that, there are christian cfbc guys (i’m living proof) out there. it doesn’t matter if the words you say are right, or how many meals you cook, whether it’ll be something more is entirely dependent on him. not getting a defective situation 10 years earlier does not harm your life, it probably improves it… how does getting a woman that has ridden fewer c**ks change the fact that we are unfortunately living in a reality tv world with female role-models that could not be worse? why would a woman in her later 30s or early 40s want to give that up to pop a baby out for some egotistical male who thinks the world just has to have his genes passed on into the next generation? whether you can solve three equations in three unknowns or if you have the book of ecclesiastes memorized or you have studied quantum physics at mit is of no moment to me at all. bankruptcy is fairly rare unless one is embarking on a business venture and as her husband is a journalist, it is difficult to see how – and she gives no clues – he could have reached such an impecunious state. my opinion i think what people are trying to say is that within a decade being with her, you will be bored with her. when guttmacher institute researchers last ran the numbers in 2008 they found that 61 percent of women who terminate a pregnancy in this country already have at least one child. if she spent most of her 20’s and early 30’s “single” then i think there is even more resistance to finding a man in their 40’s that she sees as immediately settle down with, have a kid or two, and be an “older” couple. so he pointed out where you were wrong, tore apart your argument. if she isn’t putting an effort into her appearance; why am i bothering in the first place? a 37 or 38 woman with a guy 42 or 43 isn’t out of the question or unrealistic. as others have pointed out, i don’t need to prove anything to you. think there is a balance buried in here somewhere between the fact that i behaved dishonorably and whorishly and the fact that in the end, it worked out. i’m the type of woman that would do anything to make a man in my life happy.’s not a matter of whether it’s more risky (which is true); the fact remains that older men can father children well into their 40’s on a regular basis, while women cannot.’s always been a source of great humor when someone posts a woman’s list of demands in a man (gleaned from a dating site, craig’s list, etc. never heard of those types before but i think that is where you find your place [cfbc group] to meet and greet. women are busy worried about marriage and here i am just worried about having someone nice by my side before i die. very obvious point i feel you left out is that there are women who actually wish to remain single. what i wanted to point out was not all of us 30s women are as choosy and ‘seeking the alpha male’ as most of the comments here implied. these churchian fools still thinking there are wives to be had are pathetic as your comment shows.” at 25 i married a woman most here would consider an apex female, but i could have been scooped up earlier (when i was still a blue-pill omega and didn’t know that my smv/mmv was about to skyrocket) by a wholly unsuitable woman who recognized my potential smv/mmv before i did. a educated / chaste man wants to marry a educated / chaste woman. people who choose to remain childfree will seek out other people with the same lifestyle. the avon longitudinal study of parents and children found men who were ideal physical candidates and had more sex than the average middle aged man were still 35% less fertile by age 40. yet she’s never going to divorce her husband because deep down she knows she has no other options. a good looking (and still well preserved at mid forties) woman i know always had high status boyfriends (stock broker, ar at a big label, handball professional, professional musician etc. if this story is true, your attorney would direct you to seek therapy for the purpose of the therapist testifying in court that the rape resulted in you not completing your college courses. the other cases are caused by a mixture of male and female problems or by unknown problems. and if you can’t find it where you are, don’t be afraid to risk and travel around the world looking for someone to have a family with. this is especially true in the context of this website where most guys think males and females are so drastically different in the way they think. i know close to nobody read my story (most of you were too busy sniffing for blood) but i stated that my father was a professor before he died. my father’s died a few years back but i would never give up the great times we had together as a family that loved each other as much as we love life. concerning my old friends, most of them are married and the ones who aren’t either won’t talk to me (yeah, i became that much of a raging beyotch once i thought i was hot) or they’re in relationships likely leading to marriage.– not sure what double standard you are referring to here, please explain. (no reason to explain it again but it is why we have a manosphere). which isn’t to say there aren’t varying degrees of attractiveness from the beginning. i can say that because (as a woman) you lack moral agency. what if by not having a child you prevent another career criminal, murderer, rapist, or serial killer? i plan on mmsl, but is there anything (from a guy’s perspective) that would be most helpful in this situation? if she got out of line, a man no less than her father told her in no uncertain terms to go back to her husband.: “but unfortunately they’re sometimes viewed as selfish simply because in addition to being mothers and wives, they also wish to use their natural talents, intelligence, and skills towards professional and academic pursuits.“not only are they not mutually exclusive, one will often mask the other. how can a man say this to a woman he knows and forget? danger for the woman is that with those things ibb mentioned she will be prey to young men seeking an easier life. gosh, i might make some mistakes as a mother but i’d be confident (and would pray fervently) that theynever become that. that isn’t my goal, i’m just here to show some of the people here who seem to have very limited world views that there is another side to the story no matter how much you try to convince yourself (and others) that it is a myth or a lie. think there is a deleted scene showing that colin firth’s unfailthful girlfriend in london, who we never saw, is alan rickman’s marriage-wrecker coworker. yes of course older women have higher risks giving birth to healthy babies. and no woman hopeful included has something like that in mind. you’ll wonder who slips into your bed beside her after you have left in the morning. of course, by the time those women hit their 30s, those “boring” men are looking much more attractive. i only just want to make love to my wife because i love her and want to have a family just like my parents did. like all the other 30+ women who are suddenly suspecting that something isn’t right “god help the morons” landed on this blog for a reason. except i doubt that it’s necessary for her to have a man order for her. be a woman worthy of a man – you need to be prepared to do whatever it is he wants in your life together. just like a woman to say one thing and do another. will have your 40s and onward to regret the cock-hopping you did here in the present. she is not perfect, that is why she asking for your advice – but she is not preternaturally evil either – she is human, just like you. to get a husband: dress up like wonder woman or bat girl… then go to various nerd conventions and play board games. my wife thought that sounded cool with her, and the rest is history. the odds of an adult american woman being cfbc her entire life are almost the exact same odds as an american bride being a virgin: roughly 1-in-5. what we’ve been taught has been how a man attracts a woman. now if you are lying and indeed your anecdotes do not agree with reality, then of course my proof is also in anecdote, and is therefore not evidence. there are quite a few childfree women and men who know that this statement is complete nonsense. people who wish to be treated equally to other people and to have opportunities based on merit, not on gender. for some early in life and for others, a bit later. have never been an angel and i do regret some of my past actions but it makes you who are, despite the comments here, being in ur 30s does not make you old- you are older and wiser- that is all. jewish, i have number of middle eastern women and there are rules of modesty/conduct that american women would find absurd and backwards. i am in my 30s and get more male attention than ever even from men who know i am not single. we had a lot in common and i thought we respected and treated each other well, he helped me get back into college, and i didn’t move in with him until after a year of knowing him. not all men have that attitude and those who doesn’t will become great fathers- and great husbands 🙂. realize now that perhaps i should have used a different choice of words to make myself more clearly understood, but i guess what i was trying to say was that i was not expanding on my previous posts, but rather trying to introduce a different kind of scenario. there should be more sites/blogs that discuss this topic (that are not linked to magazines. not because she’ll always have the same set of friends, but it’s instructive as to the *kinds * of women she tends to befriend or allow herself to be befriended by. the same guy, however, when assessing a woman’s mmv, will be looking for a woman who is much closer to his own smv. i was wondering if you could do another reader advice post for me? the other hand, a woman who spends eight years hopping from bed to bed is widely experienced in men. if it is ended, the participants are almost never free to enter into another marriage (at least not spiritually). one ‘manipulative’ woman told me how, during her divorce proceedings, she got to keep most of the marriage assets by postponing court hearings until she found a sympathetic ‘female’ judge. or perhaps (pure speculation, so don’t ask for studies to back this up) the relationship will eventually shift focus towards children because there is nothing but the superficial between the husband and wife and they need something in common between each other. since your target of choice is women, why would you support another man in his degradation of women? what self-respecting woman would proceed to say that women will only have value when they are more like men? they aren’t easy to find, but they’re out there. so yes they get alot of play because they are the ones that bother to improve themselves. you’re quite right that this woman who is requesting advice from a culturally conservative board has probably already accepted the premises of the traditionalist view of women and marriage. in person is more direct and you get to feel the other person..I really don’t think the women are the problem here. you sit back, over and over, and watch the girls who just dumped you swing immediately to a more alpha man who holds back on commitment, doesn’t give all of himself to her, acts as his own man, and takes no sh!’s not the man at fault here, its you for not doing the legwork & spreading your net wide enough. i got another email from a polish woman who thought she was too fat when i said in my profile a woman shall not weight more than me (175lbs) because like mark t, i am 43 in excellent shape, still run fast (sub 12 second 100 meters), can still dunk a basketball and the majority of people i hang with are 20’s and 30’s themselves. my stepfather treated me like his own daughter, though, and he was very protective of my virtue – my first date was my senior prom!’t worry, i’m sure there are far more places to gain advice on how to procure a beta shlub and marry him before your biological clock ticks over 12. shame on you dalrock for failing to point out that any woman, no matter her age, her promiscuity, her ltrs and broken marriages, her bastard children, her tats, her stds, and drink and drug habits cannot also find love! there is no need for a male studies unit because you’ve not had your voice and image silenced for years. it’s the heat, but you seem to be arguing that “it’s not that second marriages are inherently much worse than first ones (regarding divorce rates)”, but “first marriages would be as abysmal a prospect as second ones if it weren’t for kids holding the misery filled sack of shite together (temporarily, until the kids escape the miserable ‘nest’)”. the current review reveals an interesting paradox: it appears that a familistic culture and strong pronatalist values and attitudes go together with low fertility rates and marked negative emotional effects of having children, whereas fertility rates are higher and parents derive greater happiness in more individualistic cultures where people hold less pronatalist beliefs (see also bernhardt and fratczak 2005). sadly, very sadly, we work together, but not in a related way (as in we don’t have to talk to each other). yes, the damage to her schemes of fucking a man into marriage have been very badly damaged; irrevocably so. as a marriage-minded woman, any man who values family and hard work causes me to perk up. here it is, in hopes that it might be helpful to any other newbies. in honesty the 39 and up better have there crap wired tight or they are getting cut away. for that matter, women’s preference for height and provisioning capacity (whether it be mammoth meat, or mammon), is probably genetic too. of course no woman necessarily fits, exactly, the model propounded here in the androsphere, and thus it may be that there are women in their thirties keen to marry, and who have not been riding the carousel in their twenties; and it may also be the case that there are women so unsure of themselves that they cannot see ‘what he sees in me’ or wonder whether he will leave ‘for a prettier girl’ – i have met women like that, and their chronic insecurity is such that they are impossible to date – indeed i was temporarily romantically linked to one such who shortly thereafter relaunched herself as a singer (plus guitar) and managed to have an article and posed-photo thereof on page 7 of the daily mirror (they love a pretty young face and trim figure! women wasting their youth and expecting what they are “entitled” to , be it good husband, nice guy, good father, good provider, soul mate, whatever – to just “appear” when they are ready and not before. another honest (although unreliable) signal is to look at the caliber of people you get during blind dates. i want to see the woman perform longer than that. there are always exceptions, but it is worth considering these aspects before being angry at groups of people. as a woman, it’s time to do your share of apologising on behalf of your gender, and i have a feeling that it will have a good result, if you’ve been paying any attention to dalrock on male/female dynamics then you’ll understand why i say that. actually there’s a reason for this that i won’t get into. she doesn’t realize that he can get sex not only from her; but also from women like her. there are also emotional, mental, spiritual consequences – to suggest these consequences are for the positive or neutral is absurd. men, on the other hand, produce sperm basically for life and the defective sideways swimmers don’t win the races that matter. but we can’t go through life blaming other people.’d never want to take the place of a man who managed to get a woman to yearn so long for him. i would never marry a woman without a pre-nuptual agreement…. however strongly an ordinary guy might admire or desire such a woman, by the time he’s out of high school he knows, fairly well, whether he is, or (much more likely) is not, able to get such women. indeed i was looking at it only a day or two ago, and came across some very sad examples of woman-hood: for example; a 43 year old women – unemployed, because she has just completed her masters degree in arabic (surely pointless masters degress are go-faster stripes for women); and then there was another, aged 41 in similar circumstances who any friday night will be found ‘socialising with friends or chilling out’ – some enticement to commit ones entire life to a female i should say (not)! while i’m sure there are women who exist that are single, over thirty, and virgins (who don’t have issues); but a woman in my age range being a virgin has entirely left my set of expectations. am sorry that women say these ridiculous things to you, for one only looks like a jealous loser when one points out that a woman’s promiscuity affects her reputation; more importantly they know it despite their hamster squeals, for women always go to great lengths to hide their promiscuity or round-it-down in some way – they may say it is sexist but you just try suggesting that they are sluts and you will feel their claws. i approach more women unromantically (there are some less-attractive women in my congregation whose day will be made by a nice guy flirting with them a bit); a pua would see that and think i’m setting up jealousy plotlines. she just will be either too sick, too tired or too much of both, to give him frequent sex. can see how most would think this would seem unlikely, but the fact remains there are women who are in this situation nut their reasons are not, as you stated, because she has an “inflated idea of who she should be marrying, puts her career ahead of marriage, or simply wants to sleep around…. there are many women who want men for their money. something in us tells us that a woman like that is worth investing in, and that our time and resources are well spent upon her. woman interest has to be earned with hard work, day by day, is not cumulative and is never granted. we honestly both wanted this life, where we’re forever bonded as parents as well as husband and wife. lot of so-called “self-esteem” issues are derived from, i think, the fact that the hot alpha studs don’t pay attention to her anymore and don’t want to have sex with her anymore and aren’t falling all over themselves because of her anymore. want to say there is a whole other population of women out there that are still single in their thirties. if both of them are reasonably sure they are right for each other, are attracted to each other, are head over heels for each other and want to be married, then after 6 months they can get engaged, and then have a 6 month engagement and get married.@ jack – you made sure to brag about the age of the woman you dated last year. i write anywhere is fair game for anyone to use in any way they see fit: to use as a springboard for a post, as social critique, to criticize me, to agree with me or disagree with me, whatever. for the beta guy, the compromise might be with someone who repulses you, for the other two, it may mean forgetting about marriage altogether. a man who does not want children and who is considering marriage with a woman who also does not want children feels that the woman will have have to compensate by offering, “1) money2) rock hard body,3) pleasant demeanor”? mean ‘age was but a number’ when women where picking men but not when men were picking women. i plainly communicated to you here on this blog that i did not believe you and i also replied to you as if you were being real just in case you were. woman has it easier in one sense and harder in another. usually increases for a woman once she has sex with a man. then you’ll have it all, a girl who is crazy about you and someone who can help you meet financial goals as an equal partner… there is nothing wrong with that, right? i didn’t know it was as simple as “waiting too long”, and i should just impregnate a woman on the very day i decide to do it. i’ve read a little of the interview questions for prospective wives dalrock posted a little while ago, so i have some sense of what kind of answers you’re looking for, but if you wouldn’t mind enlightening us as to answers that are acceptable so that unknown and others can know where they fall? you need to make an honest assessment of what you’re looking for, and then make another honest assessment of whether you can reasonably “get” that in a man. what keeps two people together (imo) is integrity of the “whatever brings two people together”. do think that there are christian women who expect men to show up to court them out of the blue, no flirting to signal the men (that would be wrong), no online networking (because that’s not trusting the lord), and no enlisting any matchmaker (wrong era, plus the first two reasons). but because she wasn’t a 9 or a 10, she could not believe herself to be loveable, and soon it wasn’t just that she didn’t believe she was loved, but that there must be more sinister motivations involved with anyone who ‘pretended’ to love her. it can often take a few years of being together before the depth of that is known. one told her that his biggest worry with separated is that they may get back with their husband, or that their wounds are still too fresh. recall a comment by a drop dead beautiful woman that i dated for a while and someone asked her why she didnt have a tattoo since it would look great on her physique. all i had to do was be willing to smile at someone and either start a conversation or respond to an opening with more than one syllable. in mind, though, that what we are talking about here are generalities, rules and facts that are most commonly encountered, as well as pitfalls that very often happen, thought not always.“in victorian england the woman’s role was seen to be “the angel of the family. a critical point, i think, is that the attractiveness component of one’s mmv is more calibrated to peer-levels than is the attractiveness component of one’s smv, at least when it comes to women –> that is, a woman does not need to be a smv peer of a man to generate sex appeal and success in the smv, she merely has to be over a certain threshold for the guy. you take her word for it that you are the man. i hate the pressure of this, but at 32 he doesn’t have very long to decide about getting married (maybe another year max) before i’m too close to the 35 year old cutoff for kids.– she is lying to you or to herself and reserves the right to change her mind and you have no say in the matter despite all previous oral and even written agreements. she’s still married to him, but she didn’t do nearly as well as she could have had she purposed herself on marrying in her early to mid 20s at the height of her smv. most cultural anthropologists actually believe that no one culture is superior to another or inherently good or bad, only different in the way it meets its goals and lives out its values. i reserve my snark for the haters who flounce in here with screeds about how awesome they are and about how there’s not a man alive who’s good enough for them. person who would call another human being a “depreciating asset” is not worth dating.“go out and make eye contact and smile lose weight if you need to feel confident and know in your heart you are a pleasant woman. fav comment from the manosphere:“because if hypergamy catches foothold, it is the end of the human female’s “right” to be worshipped for her innate superiority. a divorced couple was in their own house for a night, in the middle of proceedings or something, and the woman was apparently feeling the urge and he woke up with her mouth somewhere private on him.. the men who will be interested in her (and more suitable for her) won’t be as assertive as the alpha studs she’s used to. single middle aged men like yourself want to get married and start a family?, for a man who admits to living off his ex (“she paid the rent”) you may want to lay off the tirade of insults aimed at others and leveling judgement at women as being unworthy of you. have never, ever met or heard of any woman anywhere who was attractive and had “a lot going for” her who was “overlooked or never really approached for a relationship”. men your age will simply see a “sperm wanted” sign and run the other way. stepfather was diagnosed with terminal cancer, and it changed my whole college experience. but you wouldn’t believe how many men out there lack all of these damn traits.. is willing to subordinate her needs to those of the family and to me. i think its gross to date an older men…you men come here saying how a man should be older, actually did you know us woman want children too, and its proven fact that men also go through biological clock ticking as well…autism is high in children because of older fathers! if a woman asks a man out, she runs the risk of rejection; this is something women are not used to. i can’t speak for michael, but for myself i wouldn’t mind a woman being drawn to my job/salary and home if i was assured that she wasn’t intending to steal them from me. did their realizing their gross breach of contract (ie it is a womans right to change her mind) would leave them as working full time mothers in their mid to late 40’s (thats what a great education does a woman 🙂 ). most fellas don’t train 2-3 times a day 4-7 days a week which i believe is reason #1girls are willing to date me when i am 15-20 years older than her. with a list of ‘here’s what i want from the relationship’ rather than ‘here’s what i bring to the relationship’ is a mistake. i tend to agree with some of comments here that said women in their mid 30’s just do not want to date anyone “whose age starts with a 4″. i ended up moving to another city because i couldn’t stand to be stalked and threatened while the criminal charges were in process. you mentioned “i know some guys in their 30′s and 40′s who have the view that woman do expire”.. “the lancet”) for describing what constitutes a rare disease (i’ve seen another definition twice, both within 10% of the above).
Dating a woman in her late 30s
playing devil’s advocate here, you don’t even have to tell them and just keep it a secret that no one ever knows., good luck and god speed, and please don’t be a stranger here. the da probably figured he or she would be wasting the taxpayer’s money knowing there would be no chance at all at convicting your ex-boyfriend. you use surveys, dismiss empirical data except your own, and give credibility to movie stars / celebrities (yes you did this – typical woman ). unless you plan on jumping around from one young woman to the next for the rest of your life, looks will eventually fade in your partner. who have left the care/protection of their fathers to purse a high education are a casualty without knowing it. a woman is pretty when she thinks she is pretty, and acts it. busy with the list already provided by deti, dalrock, & other men who are telling you what they want in a mate. frankly, if you are not appealing to american women, you aren’t actually any more appealing to a foreign woman. it is chock full of practical applications a woman can do to get married. i am 33 and never had trouble attracting men in their 30s.“now if you are lying and indeed your anecdotes do not agree with reality, then of course my proof is also in anecdote, and is therefore not evidence. only included backpacking nothing else (of course we believe you heh) not a surfer dude or roackbanddrummer to be heard of in either location. presents herself as a pretty enticing case for “used, but not abused” for a potential beta-chump buyer. if there are professional 30-something women who are not able to meet men in general, then i think it’s because they are actively shutting out the world. ( sexually or otherwise) i know it was a top priority for me, and yeah i had sex before i got married, who wouldn’t. the theory is that through projecting confidence without having to rationalize it, such as in actually having something to be confident about, like say, oh an accomplishment or two, that this projection “displays higher value” to the females around you and will actually cause them to want to “qualify” themselves to you, or rationalize their accomplishments or characteristics. for instance, they will ignore the ‘kind of nice’ girl just dancing with two or three friends with a drink in her hand (alcohol or non alcohol) and hit on the drunk girl pulling another girl’s hair in the club or making fun of people’s outfits (mean, loud etc). there is still time with the help of science and good health. jenn, there are few things less attractive to men than a woman who acts, talks, and/or looks like a man. that is all too rare an attribute among women who visit here. what if one day you meet a woman who you feel is irreplaceable? if i had the attitude of many people l know i would have married 20 years ago to the first woman who was interested in me and would be divorced and miserable by now! 30, she is better off focusing on her career and steeling herself for the inevitable stage of life that all people face in their 40s and 50s: a hospice for dying dreams, overall a much sadder place for the empowered, entitled women of today than it was for stronger women of a generation ago., i’m posting for you, dewi, because others have injected their personal hatreds without really reading what you wrote. michael ended by asking “is church still a good place to meet a nice guy for a girl who wasted her 20s with others? strange film: connery knows that hedron is a lieing thief, and more or less anti-sexual, but still marries her, more or less against her wishes, and seems largely determined to ascertain her secret, that is to say knowledge of her past. a woman will, by her fallen nature, test the man’s authority. however, that doesn’t mean patriarchs shouldn’t resist her nature and assert authority. at least you have cheerleaders and 99% of the population will back you up instead of “well you probably had it coming” like most of these guys, it may seem tough on here but don’t lie, the vast majority of the people in your personal circle have consoled you or had your back…if not then i don’t believe a word of your “mistaken for 18, hot small body, sweetness, feminine, etc.. she has confused her higher sexual market value with her lower marriage market value.!) and i know woman that don’t and that is ok too. something men have to deal with all the time, that all the woman date-initiators can’t seem to take. she was and is a really great mother, and i think she deserved better.“my true stance is the latter as a soldier and a father that loves his children. agree that the real issue here is your bitterness anthony. nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband., and the other has the skeletion key to all the locked cabinets in the universe and questioning that premise could compromise his salvation. you are going to lash out at a woman that was not being easy and was offering sex in a relationship that she believed was a pathway to marriage? is just an other one, he just hasn’t realized it yet.“they know their daughters “can’t count on” marriage; many of those fathers are themselves divorced. motherhood would have made her happier than chocolate i guess, if only those alpha dudes – rather than those boring nice guys ™ – would settle. the few straight men who get into it are either effeminate omegas or quickly snapped up. which does reflect the reality that woman do not love. one was in his late 40s, and one was in his late 30s.’s easy for you guys to say a woman should be this, a woman should be that, the bible says women should be submissive, blah blah blah. can’t even be man enough to admit that your ludicrous statement about the percentage of woman who are truthful about not wanting children is just made up nonsense that is so far off the mark of reality, it’s not even funny any more. partner count > 10 for a woman in her 30’s = a woman who cannot pair bond. the pattern here is that when guys are younger and sowing wild oats, they will gladly have sex with older women if she is decent looking. one of the golden rules in business is not to crap where one eats. however, the questions in my post refer to men who encourage older woman/younger man relationship- not about the issues surrounding these types of relationships. do not shirk hard task, nothing in my life implies that but there must be some return on my effort. male fantasy is of the woman who will sleep with everyone whenever asked but such a woman is never top of anyone list of potential brides, and see the response you get should you suggest that a woman of your acquaintance should immediately give it up for all the guys in the group! and women should date and marry young and go through life’s changes together. god allowed the tribes of simeon and levi (the brothers who exacted vengeance) to erect tribal banners that displayed images of shechem (city that was destroyed).@asinusspinasmasticans thank you for your advice 🙂 i have a few questions if it’s okay:– do you find that you and your wife are an age exception compared to other married couples you know? as sarah obeyed abraham, calling him lord, and you have become her children if you do what is right without being frightened by any fear (this means dont freak out). has been my experience that most women from there mid twenties on up that are single already have children and i do not believe that i need to bring any more into this world i have no children i can love someone else’s children just as much as my own no matter the age of the woman or the child and there are helping the fax throughout all h is of man and women as far statistics your research goes they say wolves don’t attack people that’s been proven wrong another thing i’ve noticed drop my life and i am 40 + is people in general man and women seem to want what they cannot have and the more they can not have it the more they want it and i believe the gentlemen’s issue in discussion he said she did not want to have kids and i am 44 years old and an extremely good shape i can out work out hike out hunt the majority of men in their 20s i have spent my life building strength they have just begun. is strange is that it was easier to convince the daughter than the father (still resisting).. that if “slut” or “harlot” were devalued, there would be no more slut shaming in the larger culture. if you do a google search or research there are many doctors warning men over 40 have a higher chance of passing down autism, dwarfism, birth defects and other problems to the child…it doesn’t matter how young the woman is…this is from the man’s sperm not the womans eggs! there is no more “having it your way”… if you want to be a wife and you expect to be a good wife then carefully consider the cost. (except in the rare case where one party is deployed overseas, in college far away, or in jail, and it just isn’t possible to be togetehr. you say things like “i won’t consider them for even a dog catcher at this point”, yes, the likihood of women missing you if you left, is highly unlikely. my wife is extremely attractive, in great shape and doesn’t look anywhere near her age, which is why putting so much emphasis on a number seems so crazy to me. of that, an eligible woman might be able to attract men if she says at one of these churches, talking to a a friend and says in earshot of several men, “i would like to find a man who would love me that i could submit to. here are some recent examples:Hit on by thirty something single mother. if a woman gets pregnant and chooses to abort, is that not her exercising her choice to remain childfree? it seems that all men commenting here releasing accumulated aggression towards women. i hope that straightens out for the laayydies (bill burr voice) what the commenters here are coming from. if you are not those things i might rather see you going to work so that i wouldn’t need to work so hard to support you. there are many people in dry, boring marriages both with and without children. only advice i can offer for the hypothetical 30+ single woman is two things: pleasantness and contentment. exactly do you believe would cause her to become “highly dysfuntional & damaged good? may get a string of comments indicating you don’t believe me, but i’m not husband-hunting; i’m married with a baby and i am concerned with the state of marriage (more like singleness) in the church today, particularly how people either romanticize it and think that their romance was the only divinely-inspired one, or they become hardened and harsh, driving off marriage prospects, or they spur the hardening of others by quoting useless stuff about being “patient” when, as has been noted, time is not on the women’s side.’m really sorry to hear about all that ton, there’s nothing worse than betrayal. there is a very good chance that i can’t even have children, so that wouldn’t be a problem. (basically, a coworker made moves on her in a car, she sort of pushed him away and said no, he kept going) i was a white knight of course, and horrified. maybe so me of these girls were barbie dolls in their 20’s , maybe these woman had issues they needed their 20’s to work through that we’re out of their control, maybe they were introverted and shy. the problem with all this traditionalist advice to women in their 30s about how to snag a man — by deferring and letting him take the lead, etc. the catch is that real judeo-christian marriage is anti feminist and considered degrading to american woman ( are you up for obeying your husband and calling him “sir” ? and she has no idea that mother nature just gave her a nuclear weapon that, if not used correctly, will explode on her. very smart, creative, great laughs and conversation, our children know and like each other, we have many shared values, some conflicting ones.“that frigid tight wad stuff is working there is not a chance of you being a slut now get sexy and like it. and she has to be conscious that she is trading in her last attractive years for a guy who won’t be there when she needs him most, in her middle-aged to senior years. woman who surrounds herself with platonic men unintentionally puts cockblockers all around her. if he and she have a disagreement on a major matter, the man breaks the tie and they do it his way in crucial matters such as where to live, where he will work, where and whether she will work, the children’s schooling, attendance at church, religious education and major purchases. the ideal is to give the woman a trial run to her mid twenties and throw her back into the pond without kids and/or marriage if she does not make the cut. but frank, he never made a mistake, and he really knew how to treat a woman and make her feel good. if you don’t take the time to let him in – because it’s simply easier to not let him in – both you (and adam) are going to have a hard time finding each other. i said, don’t know the tenth part of my life or any other topic, both of you being thoroughly blinded by your indoctrination. talk to a person ,longer then you normally would, & touch the other person frequently ie their arm, tap their shoulder or arm to emphasise a point you’re making etc. singer wrote, “any two people that can stay together, “like” each other, and raise straight healthy kids has got their act together and is truly blessed.. slutting it up) with some other men behind her husband/master’s back. cartoon for almost any woman wondering why her long-time bf won’t propose:May 17, 2014 at 5:31 am. there is of course a 50% chance that you will lose, and when that happens you will want to sue your lawyer for misfeasance, so it will just go on.. bureau of the census, 2010” and for reference – studies are not dismissed due to age (stupidity to the nth degree here) to be dismissed they have to be found faulty or disproven. female friend was interested in me as more than friends; i was not interested in her as anything but a friend.@norbert – you appear to be a white guy and you magically get to comment on race but no other white person doesn’t? but for me, and other women in their 30s looking to marry, we would need to balance that direct targeting with a broader approach, with no more than 5 must-haves. the chick gives a damn about the people around her. the looking around, the recoiling from kino, the seething disrespect in her eyes were my clues. is it because you were accountable to your stepfather and when he died you had no internal moral guide to steer you? regardless of this debate, you should ask yourself what your intentions are in even being here. the divorced man will be looking for a woman who is pleasant to both look at and pleasant to be around. there is a lot of anti-christian hostility in the cfbc crowd, as there is in the mra crowd (try telling men to be sexually responsible or say something critical of “game” as a means of getting drunk coeds into bed and you’ll see what i mean). that being said, i personally am not averse to dating an older man provided i like him, we have chemistry and there is no pressure on my part to give him a child. however… you can get to your 40s without anyone telling you the importance of status, and the psychological signals of status, in the woman-quest. they also have a 1 year old baby together and everyone;s life revolves around that baby. really hope that the divorce laws change soon, but more importantly, i hope that marriage can return to the way it once was,( yeah, i know, lol, there’s my naive and idealistic side again) so that divorce won’t be necessary. is it impossible for a woman to get sexually assaulted? she needs to widen her attraction filters and consider men she might not otherwise consider. you might scare the hell out of an otherwise great guy, and you will appear desperate. this isn’t about some “i am woman, hear me roar,rah rah rah” feminist argument, it’s just about pulling my own weight and fairness. not join a singles group and date a girl who won’t spread her legs for you until your wedding night? if your daughter can’t abide that, send her to live with her father. a woman in her thirties is not wanting children, her options will be much better. first off, you’ve been getting some hostility because you came in here denigrating the other commenters for negative comments you offered vague information designed to paint you in as favorable a light as possible while blaming your divorce 100% on your ex husband, and you accused your ex husband with the amorphous buzzword “offense” of being “abusive” (more on this later). i also realize, that even if i craved them, no man i meet is going to want to be seen as the “father” of my kids before he’s ready or even willing to make that decision. you say you’re looking for a woman in her mid-30’s. also, that one colleague now has moved back home to her mum, at 39, she kicked her son out as he is 21. another thing to keep in mind is that you don’t have lots of time. but the only person who suffers in the long run, is unfortunately, the woman, which is what eva has found by bitter experience. understand that most men want a women who is financially responsible, pleasant, and fit, but it just seemed you were emphasizing that a woman who doesn’t want kids would be expected to possess these attributes even more so than a woman who does want children. since these women tend to be wealthier and more highly educated than average, plus (as women) they hold all the cards – it is simply inconceivable (okay… pun intended) that all of them are either infertile or nuns.–initiated a divorce from her ex husband because he “forced” them into bankruptcy. rather, it’s a descriptive term of your present state, one that does not mean that you are beyond hope of salvage or redemption. the point was that, since 93%+ of women can give birth during their fertile years, while only about 81% do give birth during that time, and women have 100% reproductive freedom (including substantial economic benefits available to all mothers), the idea that only one-woman-in-a-billion is child-free by choice (which is mikeslinger’s contention) is nonsense on stilts. she could have had a decent life with her man, maybe not the best life; but still a decent one. can see how most would think this would seem unlikely, but the fact remains there are women who are in this situation nut their reasons are not, as you stated, because she has an “inflated idea of who she should be marrying, puts her career ahead of marriage, or simply wants to sleep around…. either doesn’t go to church at all; or attends a church/synagogue but is openly critical and cynical about faith and religion. i am trying to remain positive, but two things are really bothering me. the most important thing to me is that i can trust him, we can make each other laugh, and he is kind. i have had two boyfriends but they were both long distance relationships where we never went all the way, so i’m not completely inexperienced as far as relationships go. i am naturally curious about this topic and am trying to get to the bottom of why there are a lot of people that seem really pissed-off. your dates will be auditions to be his wife and the mother of his children. i’m glad that you found the woman of your dreams.“i sometimes wonder if these women are bothered by it., your womanly lack of knowledge about male anatomy is showing, dear. this isn’t a masculinity contest, because clearly you would be the winner here. the more i thought about it the more it bothered me. the theory is that through projecting confidence without having to rationalize it, such as in actually having something to be confident about, like say, oh an accomplishment or two, that this projection “displays higher value” to the females around you and will actually cause them to want to “qualify” themselves to you, or rationalize their accomplishments or characteristics. would i spend everything i owe to get her healthy? if you meet a man that is sexually excited by you and speaks don’t let what some anonymous guy on the internet (that would be me greyghost there) keep you from that motivate dick. it’s a fantasy in your minds that all of you women are going to hit the lottery and find that needle in the haystack guy that will marry an older woman. given average looks, average age and average weight, a woman’s marriage-ability drops off a cliff with a high n count (at least in relation to other women) – even should she not wish to marry it affects how she is perceived. offer absolutely no constructive advice even though the title of this page is advice to women in their 30s looking to marry. you shame women for getting older, make us feel like we’re worthless if were over thirty and unmarried…if you had it your way every woman over thirty would go crawl under a rock. to the information wyst was willing to disclose, her sole selling point is that she is a nonobese female available for marriage. i came here to refute one comment about women’s desire to have children and had to stay to defend myself against the assumptions being made towards me. regret to say (now i think about it) i have never met a woman in her thirties who ever showed any interest in marriage (or perhaps just in me). here are their protests about being single in the late twenties and thirties:3. nature wouldn’t have permitted pregnancy evolutionarily of there wasn’t chance of success. there’s no room and no time for ambiguity, coyness, subtlety, cloying double entendre, or “cuteness”. post you are commenting on was in no way unkind to the woman in question. as for ‘sacrificial lambs’ i understand you would need them – you’re not tough enough to take on anything else – so you jump on some fucked-up woman like the coward you are… you don’t have the balls, brains or heart to take on anything greater than a messed-up woman who opens up to you and asks for help. of us, however, are savoring our independent lives and have thus developed eccentricities and habits that can get in the way of sharing our lives with another person. alternative is years spent picking over the carbonized ruins of a post-feminist landscape of emasculated young androgynes, empowered divorced men with no intention of re-yoking themselves to the plow, or puas who secretly keep score with each other to see who beds the most young, willing women before moving on to the next. rmax, it’s a curious thing that having a list that’s only that long, and there are still few women out there who could make the cut. this one kept banging away at the same knucklehead for eight years; never learning that obviously neither he nor she were worth marrying to each other. i am thankful for many other good things in my life.) speaking of religion, if either of you will not be equally yoked, don’t go there. you’re lucky that virginity is no longer viewed as it was previous, otherwise that would continue to be apart of the gold standard. the other side, any 30+ years old man that approach a 30+ years old woman for the purpose of pumping-and-dumping her for few nights is a strategic genius, since he’s just exploiting the fact that woman confuse these approaches with willingness of long term relationships leading to a marriage. it’s also why michael has exclaimed he pursued a high earnings career……to attract a woman. every single person is judgmental, else i expect you, right here and now, to tell pretty women every single day to marry ugly men. an attractive young girl makes a pointless video and uses her pretty young face/body as a video still and receives anywhere from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands or millions of videos within days or weeks. response to the above by greyghost, i meant to write,No, there’s not a chance, but i’m thinking if i were to take your advice about posting explicit things online with total strangers (which again, i will not do) might have the recipient of such posts thinking otherwise. the problem with all this traditionalist advice to women in their 30s about how to snag a man — by deferring and letting him take the lead, etc. divorce or not wanting to bring them into a world where they’ll be exposed to so much. is very hard for us straight guys that are hoping to meet a good woman to share a life with since many of us are just coming out of a divorce, and we just hope to meet the right one this time around especially after having our wife cheated on us. ask god to show you where you were engaging in sin and repent., you made a comment, which i’m not able to now find (apologies) about how a woman coming from a divorced family contributes to a lack of morals on her part. what’s more, these men, these fathers, see what’s going on around them. but it is not equivalent to a promiscuous ride on the carousel, where the sin is repeated, where stumbling blocks are knowingly put before many more people. am not one of those men anxious to marry – a woman in any age group, let alone her thirties – but if i were, then dazzel is hardly – on the basis of her lone comment – going to be someone i might place, even in my long-list. a relationship with a younger alpha, which relationship was going nowhere? whether you decide to keep posting or not is obviously up to, but regardless, best of luck to you and your wife and congrats on your marriage:). i refuse to live in fantasy land where you can ignore the true intentions of the vast majority of them., i took the focus of these thoughts as directed towards women finding men, which is why my answer focused on the woman’s point of view. i didn’t say it was a selling point, what i said was that there are some men who expect these traits (educated and ambitious) in a woman they’re considering for marriage and would not proceed with courtship (in spite of being physically attracted to her) if they discover that she lacks these characteristics. there is nothing that turns a man off faster than this…. if you’re focused on the nonsense you mention in your note, it stands to reason that there isn’t any time left for a significant other — like any other “good” in life, it requires time to find one, and then time to invest in one. men are hated (at least publicly) for being sexually successful with many women; but it’s a woman’s by-god birthright to sleep with as many hot men as possible and delay marriage until the very last minute. in jls we have a hamsterrific woman who is starting to figure out the truth. it has nothing to do with my looks or that i still get mistaken for being an 18-year-old by complete strangers, but rather that i want a man of substance … if that man will have me. however, there is qualitative difference in sin based on its conformance to the pattern set by god.“here we see the only possible reason to ever consider marrying an older, single mommie. so if both the man and woman don’t want children, the man would be looking for what other benefits the woman presents. cant change or undo the actions of another person, you can only take responsibility for your actions & move on …. not all women in their in 30s are the same, just as not all men in their 30s are the same. the unattached guys her age want and can get younger women than her. she broke a contract they both signed before god and country and he must make her whole. some odd reason the western evangelical churches has misunderstood the apostle paul writings and have taught the destructive schizophrenia “grace/favor” supersedes/nullifies the stern commandments of yahshua /apostles (including pauls other writings) and reaping/sowing ( there is no such verse in the ot/nt that shows that).@monad, i’ll check that out, thanks to the other poster for the definition earlier, i thnk i see what you mean. although i do not trust her, i treated her with dignity. because i have always been fortunate in that regard; the last thing i care about is whether or not a woman is a virgin. any older woman who is beyond her child-bearing years and thinks that a younger guy who hasn’t had any children yet is going to stay with her for the long haul is denying reality. go here to get an adjustment for ltr value based on men’s perception of your likely loyalty. if there is a god who created us, then he gave us our brains for a reason. statement is quite indicative of your morals (or lack there of). it’s a bit higher than normal, but that’s due to the field of work.“a lot of so-called “self-esteem” issues are derived from, i think, the fact that the hot alpha studs don’t pay attention to her anymore and don’t want to have sex with her anymore and aren’t falling all over themselves because of her anymore. but there are also many men who don’t want to date a single mother, someone with emotional bagage. basically, you think a man needs to purchase a woman. whatever the case may be, a common thread here i have noticed is that you have to take into account the times we live in. promiscuity is slutdom in the same way that daylight means its morning, and the more promiscuous a woman the less marriageable she is – if you doubt this, ask any man. me elucidate in case someone doesn’t understand that “double standard” is a almost always a projection:When men reject women their own age for marriage in their 30s, how is this different than young women rejecting their marriage minded peers in their late teens and 20s? i’m telling you is that every time i hear some woman tell me “there are no good guys out there,” i am reminded that there are millions of men like adam. to agree with where emk is going on several points. – so are you inferring that that only these 100 schools are the only ones and none of the other schools “party”? we’re rejected by girls, by other men, by possible employers, in sports. if you aren’t here to be helpful toward women, you don’t need to be here. indeed, an increasing number of women reject and resist pronatalist cultural imperatives of femininity that conflate woman with mother, highlighting the emergence of a positive feminine identity separate from motherhood. we just accept that, you on the other hand have to use laws, shame and petty insults to try to get people to believe in your crap.– please point out to the audience where i said a single word about duress decisions. is not my native language, so there might be parts i did not explain well. it starts with sex and goes from there and women with sense can build up such good will in her family and circle that she is immune to hard ship. you will always be unsure of yourself nowhere in culture will you have affirmation not even in church. the other day he joked about watching the comedian’s movies together at his place (he has heaps of his movies). you’re quite right that this woman who is requesting advice from a culturally conservative board has probably already accepted the premises of the traditionalist view of women and marriage. or not the girls that did or did not want you were in their twenties, as you have stated that you are embittered that they did not, it would not change the highly rational part of many of the comments here… none of that changes family court and many of the most reasonable gripes that men espouse when avoiding marriage. has conducted herself pretty well on this site, so let’s give her the benefit of the doubt. didn’t mention your faith specifically, but have you investigated whether there are any christian networks or support groups for widows and widowers in your area? moment a man hears from a woman about how she was always “unlucky in love” …. any consequences are either nonexistent or ineffectual, because they can always be escaped or minimized. were found to have no intend to have children while retaining the ability to do so and another 44 were sterile due to operations specifically intended for contraceptive reasons, for a total of 629. constant repetition of your claim “if a woman says she doesn’t want children – then she is unable or lying” while at the same time presenting data to the contrary shows just how biased you are.. such as the grey of a nice cat’s fur, or the hair of a middle-aged lady., i met her once, when she was about 20 and i was a bit older. love how all the guys posting here rigorously defend their attraction to women extremely younger than themselves by using the tired old “biologically wired” line.. i know the right spelling, that was a typo rather than a spelling error. a leader & dominant & competitive, forces a woman to mature & get herself ready for child birth. names that men adopt in the manosphere and the names that women assume are often very different.’s obvious that i have been labeled a troll by you and there probably isn’t anything i can say to change your mind on that, so it’s time to stop pulling punches and tell you what i’m really thinking. the 50 year old mid life crisis men are the worst.“while i know that a lot of men only require a woman to be pretty, nice, and respectable to be considered worthy, a lot of women, (even those who do possess these qualities) are still not convinced of their worth and desirability. based on what i have read from men looking for wives in their 30s or later the two key traits you can bring to the table are humility (to a degree) and a serious attitude about marriage. she probably took what she thought she deserved at the time, while most of the wonderful men in her age group met and married their wives. um yeah there are good men right under your nose! a fit, attractive woman can still marry at 30 or even 35. now, i’m not sure if the man would change his mind or not, but, i can say as a woman, i’m less concerned with him changing his mind and more concerned about my welfare in a situation like this. is it possible to be deeply religious (i’m meaning specifically christian here, biblically so) and not want children? and in a certain manner of speaking she is a stranger because you have no history with her. a lot of men on her seem to voice frustration about how women repeatedly tell them they’re great guys and attractive, etc, yet still are (or have been) rejected by women they’re interested in. men generally don’t care about what a woman makes and i am one of them. put it another way – god demands that we love others… a lot. king eventually married an aging divorced gold-digger who had previously spurned him whilst he was an under-graduate in the late 1960s – amazing what money can do to make a woman re-evaluate. i decided to reconcile with my wife it was because i decided that i would rather her kill me in a murderous rage, than to willingly and daily spit on god’s word for my own selfish desires, for my pride and dignity.” i’m sure that wouldn’t help me get a date either. all women age and if you’re going to insult a woman just because she’s 10 years older than me, you’re basically insulting me 10 years in advance. i’d like to avoid places where hook-ups and casual sexual encounters are encouraged. above scenarios are truly unfortunate and i completely disagree with the lifestyles that led to them, however, you speak mainly about unwed mothers, but i refer mostly to those who are married and did not partake in lifestyles with practices such as “sex/pregnancy to trap a man..if the woman is at all attractive, she is probably in her 20’s and/or the profile is fake…… what guy is going to want to sign up to raise some other guy’s three kids? the confirmed bachelor friend i was writing about told me about his gf buying an expensive espresso machine to her flat as soon as they started dating, so that he could have his beloved espresso also in her flat. continue to throw statistics at me and point out the red flags in my relationship while sitting around waiting for an ideal woman to walk into your life and i will go home, day after day, to a happy marriage. i can see where the cat lady thing comes in. put it more succinctly, the hookup culture exaggerates women’s natural hypergamy, so much so that it may prevent her from ever mating. so if a man like adam has been paired with her in either of these places, is he to believe that he’s a bad guy? nobody white knights the poor beta ex-husbands who just got divorce-raped, even the manosphere doesn’t really feel sorry for them. everyone here is trying to look younger than they are, dress younger than they are, keeping track of music and new hollywood stars. guy can pay for first date or second, but by third date there should be a split no exceptions. just as women know from a young age that they’ve always wanted to be a mom and have however many children, there are women like me who know from a young age that they never wanted them. there are women who get little or no attention from men. the further humanity continues to stray from the laws of nature the more severe the punishment will be in the future. are incredibly frightened and timid for many reasons adding to it about how altered the playing field has become with media and technology and the women having so much more weight then ever before. interesting enough, these women “divorced” their fathers because they were weren’t good fathers.-a woman’s smv continually decreases, whereas a man’s smv continually increases. i didn’t think there was any point in coming back here for a ‘day 2’ session of getting kicked around – but your posts help me see myself as not so much of an ogre today. another study found for men 45 and over, it’s 2 1/2 years. thankfully i have no desire for kids unless my boyfriend manages to convince me to have one, when we’re married but so far he’s got no baby fever either.& they dont know how to talk to men … as strong masculine attention is no longer there, the closer you get to 30 …. but you’ll never get to know someone long enough to assess compatibility, unless there is attraction first. there were so many things making me think that we would never get beyond a first date, but i went ahead with it anyway.“there is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. she bore him 3 kids before she was 20, and now they’re putting her through law school at 40. money and her job was her priority and our child was just for show just like her car and our house. then of course there were the women, who were just overlooked or never really approached for a relationship; in spite of being attactive and having a lot going for them…. 14% is a huge number compared to what is being claimed here.’m not arguing the fact that birth is more complicated and risky as a woman ages.“it is thought that the higher divorce rate in 2nd marriages is due to people staying together “for the sake of the children” in their first marriage. however, does that really mean that her consent is not ever necessary? you will die, and other people are going to take your stuff. the thing really is, that to move forward, first you have to admit there is something to move forward from. could go a quite a bit deeper w/data but as opus eloquently confirmed it is quite obvious you are a woman and attempting to justify the decision as a deliberate choice vs. if she doesn’t have an inflated idea of who she should be marrying, puts her career ahead of marriage, or simply wants to sleep around, then how exactly does that happen?"i also discovered that i could attract a ton of quality men, in no time at all, if i needed to go back out there. there’s a cuter 35-year-old guy, and a funnier 38-year-old guy, and a richer 40-year-old-guy who are getting your women. it is merely amusing (for me) to observe the countless menopausal women bemoaning their failure to even produce one trophy child as they take their place in their sisters or brothers families, as ‘auntie doris’ who dotes on her nieces and nephews. you need to be there with one hand on the keyboard and one hand working your tickle spot. it is also a fact that men become less woman-obsessed (though never uninterested, i think) as they age.@bee theres no difference in pay between being a nanny and a housekeeper, which is my job. i’d argue that you are correct and that by separating herself from the normative god given behavior the most she is the most destructive of her nature. about a work related lunch to pick his brain / ask questions whether just the two of you or in group? your appeal to join team woman for god will not work either. women have been discouraged from having children after age 35 due to concerns about downs syndrome and other issues. this point in the financial crisis and deepening gender/culture war, a man’s only choice is to get his passport and jump on a plane to either eastern europe, southeast asia or central/latin america. cfbc “from” a womans point of view is simply a “thin veneer” given previous events and decisions that are vast and damaging. nice guy and now they are somewhat shocked at the bluntness of my new found beliefs that were always there but buried deep in feminist bullshit over the past decades.@deti – one other question i didn’t answer…no, i am not relationship/marriage-phobic or anything. finding a woman who did not have or want children was not an easy thing..there are married men who are living from one pay check to the next…in life you dont always get what you want…. he made eye contact with her, engaged her in conversation, asked for her phone number…. women: a good wife will keep this truth very close to her heart. you hear about a few traits that you find less than desirable and automatically assume the worst which is why your image of her is so skewed based on the limited information i have provided. don’t know, i’m thinking if i were to take your advice about posting explicit things online with total strangers (which again, i will not do) might have the recipient of such posts thinking otherwise. the sticking point is that when a woman hits 30 as a never married woman, her options have already been steadingly shrinking; and continue to shrink with each passing month. on the other hand, if having children is not important, your options are more open. i know some woman ( some recently divorced, some never single) and they are looking for actual advice. yes, the opposite is just as true, but only if we’re talking about what a woman has actually witnessed men repeatedly doing, hamster-inspired justification for a woman’s failings don’t count (for example: “i didn’t do anything wrong, because he started it!’m only in my mid-twenties, but i’ve seen it in girls as young as 12 and as old as 40, they always have a circle of hens who make it their life’s mission to see that no other woman ever makes an independent decision, no matter the cost.“my proof is in the fact that you are not married and are complaining about being passed over, the proof is in the evidence of you being here. thee is no man gushing over his beautiful bride for this woman that time has past forever. pleasantness refers to your looks and personality, by looks i don’t expect you to be a red-hot mama or a classical beauty, just someone a prospective man can look at and think to himself, “if i was to get married, i wouldn’t mind waking up to someone looking like her in the morning”. the cases where women cant conceive it is simply changed to “dont want kids” to avoid embarrassment & save face (this is exactly what we did- i went along with it for her sake). they are, when they reserve their beauty and their best years for one man, and help him achieve his goals while he helps her. but a 25-year-old’s man will probably be higher in ten years. can you explain to me how the sins are identical to one another, other than their being sins? it is her choice and what will make her happy, will make me happy. in fact, our friends who are parents particularly love going out with us to get away from talking exclusively about their kids all the time with the other parents they typically spend their time with. to pragmatics, it makes a big difference if a woman is monogamous in terms of std’s, exes to deal with, etc. government has not taken the place of god (as is so often wrongly said); it has taken the place of community because we’ve abandoned personal investment in other people’s marriages in preference for a heartless bureaucracy. if one (and especially both) do not believe in intimacy before marriage, then what else can they do other than marry to make in order to make it legit religiously, morally, and legally? when her attractiveness in the dating market falls off a cliff. you for show clearly you are a woman masquerading as a man ( ie troll). but since the late 90’s, there has been this effort to discount men over 40, while simultaneously boosting the value of women over 35-40 which is right at the tail end of woman’s ability to have children without medical intervention. new pew survey also finds that, by a margin of nearly three-to-one, americans say that the main purpose of marriage is the “mutual happiness and fulfillment” of adults rather than the “bearing and raising of children. contrary to what the feminist overlords teach, a job, a salary, connections, and educational pedigree does not make a woman more attractive. so, when you are 45 chances are higher you will be screwing yourselves, but that does not get you pregnant. a man would not encounter many marriageable women there, but then again, there are not that many marriageable women anywhere (and either way it wouldn’t matter to an mgtow guy). heels are feminine and accentuate the best parts of a woman’s body. for this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. i chose to be with her because of who she is, not how old. sounds like a bitter feminist who is familiar with the manosphere as a whole., any single women in her thirties is a “repeat offender”. apron thinks that according to what she calls “male reckoning,” that the ideal design is for a woman to drop dead the moment she ages out of fertility. didn’t get to read some of your other comments. can’t say i disagree with either of your replies, but i guess i had a more important point that i wanted to make but didn’t express very well. apologies for mixing up the two west coast guys on here. repentance from her feminist ways of degrading men and a spirit of humility and submission to god? but what deti describes is true: with a “sexy” woman a man is filled with lust, and wants to take her then and there. this book is further proof to what mike singer said earlier (yes, i am agreeing with something he said) about how biased surveys done by authors with a book to sell can be. like to mock others by “putting quotes” on their words. most likely outcome is the relationship will persist until her imperfections are clear. there’s life after you put your clothes back on. i’m sure they’re out there, but they are not among the childfree groups i belong to. if your best friend met her husband in line at the grocery store, shouldn’t you get to meet yours in the same way? were actually rendered null and void, some new term would be coined in short order to refer to “woman who has had so many sex partners as to make her a large risk to any man in an ltr/marriage”. telling a woman in her 30s that she should focus on settling and that she can’t have the best in life because of her age is silly. truth, is, that carolina, despite her protestations, showed no serious marital intent, and is now crying because she is not quite so slim and need to start all over again.” it conjures up caricatured movie images of a pot bellied, unshaven, unkempt man in a “wife-beater” undershirt slapping around and bullying a cowering, weeping woman half his size. it seems that all of your angst is misdirected towards childfree women when women who are already mothers are getting more abortions than any other demographic. the more i read your responses, the more i’m convinced you’re not looking at all for dialogue but rather to condemn, judge and mock and those who believe differently than you and that’s unfortunate.“thank you for reinforcing my original reasons for not continuing to post here.) it’s about creating and raising children; secure in their parentage, heritage, and place in the world. wouldn’t go the surrogate route in your place either.” as you coach her on tying the rope around her waist you notice that she is 20 pounds over weight. from a happily married father on a post feminist world.“although the majority of women in europe and the united states continue to become mothers at some point in their lives, both reproductive choice and greater autonomy have created the possibility for women to choose to remain childfree, in ways not possible for previous generations of women. i have one good friend who can barely stand to talk about it without it sending her into paroxysms of bitterness and grief. what do you have to offer him other than your body and your communications skills? – a woman with divorced parents to me wasn’t a deal breaker, but it sure as hell was a red flag. to let you know, some of the other things you named sound like they are straight out of the feminsit playbook. a girl with a figure like this: i i just isn’t interesting to the eyes, whether it’s 20″ from side to side or 36″ from side to side. want very little in common with a woman i marry aside from the same family-raising goals. become “less attractive” in their 30s than in their 20s? i have made compromises- a good job over height (he is my height – 5 feet 9 ish), he doesnt look quite like the men i’m used to dating but he is solid, has an amazing job which is a useful bonus in these tough economic times but finally i am at that stage where i don’t feel i’ve settled- i just feel very very blessed to find someone like that. all men have a problem with a woman’s profession. if she is late 30s and up, younger men see that and think only of the here and now. to divorce her later, claim the child of the union and child support payments off her, since shes working and earning more. i’m sure there’s other men who hold these beliefs as well, but i think the problem with this mentality (even if it is based on many observations rooted in truth) is that it seems to encourage and justify sexual harrassement, hostility and in some cases, even physical and sexual assault towards women due to the belief that there all “nothing but a bunch of wh*res anyways,” not even human beings really, and therefore unworthy of being treated with respect. the other hand, with women over 30, well, there’s plenty of advice here and i can offer none except to parrot what others have said before. i do agree with you on the comment about men that think a woman that does want kids is crazy. i’m not here to list my reasons for my choice or justify it. which resulted in divorcing their fun ex-hubbies for not being good fathers and husbands. if that’s the case, then they’ve most likely already had a chance to get to know each other as people. personally would like to marry a woman with less than 10 sexual partners on her personal history. last thing – happiness in and of itself is a bad goal for a society to have because too few people are actually able to see that strategies for short term happiness and long term happiness actually work against each other., alpha males do not stay in relationships for more than three months (according to comments here), much less eight years, so how could she not have seen him as anything other than an alpha? every single woman who comes on these threads and every one i’ve talked to in my entire life has a regret about that great guy or those wonderful men who loved her to the ends of the earth and would have done anything for her, and even proposed marriage to her, but it just couldn’t be for whatever superficial reason. pragmatically eugenics doesn’t work either, no more than an all-powerful government or an all-powerful dictator. also, a woman with higher education who even works part-time in her field, can make a make a lot more in much less time than one with no education. for whatever noble sounding bullshit you use to justify it, that is what you and others call for. you (the collective you) seem to assume that all woman out there are just like the ones you have encountered in your past. it’s not fair to place an expectation on me to give you a child when i already have so much that i’m dealing with because you waited to long, and with this i’m not trying to be harsh but it really isn’t, and with a lot of these men there is that expectation. therefore: you think it’s acceptable to fornicate outside of marriage in an absurd attempt to gain marriage.” without a “strong masculine men to dominate her & balance her? choose to honour her, appreciate the blessings that she has given you, and overlook the sins with love as a daughter who esteems her mother. many women who imagine themselves educated, and imagine that it’s there best feature, aren’t all that intellectually stimulating. when the reality is that nothing could be further from the truth. men are never put off sex, because the lighting is wrong or because the furnishings do not meet with their approval or for any other reason whatsoever. i can’t be bothered about it less, as those who like me or love me (including men) don’t really care if i get paid for arguing, sowing or painting. more specifically, they tend to mean someone is morally dissolute and/or either does not have a college degree or does not identify with that level intellectually, and wishes to broadcast this. there is no shortage of younger guys who are fat, out of shape, couch potatoes, video game addicts, etc…. first of all, being cf myself, and occasionally visiting cf fora, cf is more common than some guys here seem to think.– please point out where i said i prefer women who are fat, old and ugly. what other men choose to do is on them, but i have seen to much to fall for the pro marriage propaganda team woman likes to spit. wonder if the average 30+ year old women past her biological expiration date, with high partner counts, loaded with debts (student loans, partying etc), feels any conscious remorse or biting awareness; when she passes herself off as something she is not; in the process marrying a man with the types of qualities she rejected in the beauty of her youth – a good man, a provider, low partner counts, a good person, responsible, a man with low/no debt, good father etc. find a godly older woman; preferably a flesh and blood one who pulls no punches. how can any man risk marrying a woman who has travelled extensively all over the world with friends and think she can keep a non-slutty reputation intact, oh wait i’m a misogynist, knuckle dragger how dare i judge her behaviour when she was travellinnnnngggggggggggg. any other reason is not a healthy reason to marry. well after so much time and putting up with the aggravation of it all, it’s just a lot easier to forget about commitments and even dating as many of us find other ways to enjoy life. i have no idea why women dont seem to grasp the facts here. tracy is saying the exact same thing guys say about dating younger women – the only difference is the female perspective – and so many guys are quick to jump on her for it. also keeps asking why i settled or resigned myself to a woman who doesn’t meet your standards. you seriously doubt this – the media has been vomiting artificial insemination/single parent by choice for single career women who can afford it while screaming at the top of their lungs “where are all the good men at? for her part, she was the typical woman who reacted poorly to my blue pill self. you live in sandiego by the beach, a lot of people love it there, for me personally you would have to be paying me way more than 200,000 a year to live there. interestingly, she readily admits her mistake and knows she is not relationship material and has self inflicted emotional damage. while there are women whose best feature is there personality, and it sells the rest of them… or looks, and it makes their personality tolerable, that’s never been the case with ‘educated and ambitious’, it never sells the rest of the package. guarantee you her past “mistakes” ( if that’s even what she calls them) are directly blamed on some man…father, priest, uncle, ex-boyfriends, ex-husbands, men in general. paige, it seems, basically applied her own extreme experience to her advice, like you have. as a woman, i can say many of the women i have known have just assumed a man would be there, just as dalrock has said before. but it took her a matter of years to figure that out, despite the fact that she completely interwove her life with his, lived with him, ate with him, lived her life with him, shared a bed with him, and took on the role of “wife”. and these men who want fast nsa sex and who won’t ever offer commitment will move on to other targets. 35 starts the big decline in fertility, and with a 1yr requirement… and that’s assuming you can knock her up in the first year. her boss has been my client for 5 years and gets my bills. after we broke up ( myself being a monogamist my entire life) i decided not to enter another committed relationship., problem is that i’m sick of the fembots feeling an obligatory right to mark “their” territory by befouling every branch and rivulet of every public conversation and riding pc herd marking their territory wherever they go. to the manosphere……i knew there was a red pill woman in you.@vascularity777 i really try to find an older god-fearing woman to model, it’s concrete advice that would help to me ground myself faster. all that statistic says to me is that there are a lot more unhappy first marriages out there than subsequent marriages. there are a lot more men in the 5’8’s, 5’9’s, 5’10 men then 6′ and 6++ men. i choose much of what the christian manosphere says to chose. so for discriminating men a woman looking good in her late teens is a maybe, whereas a woman looking good later is a better bet. this woman still thinks that her situation is someone else’s fault.: did your father advice you to do these things or did you not ask or listen to his advice? she was so taken with this guy who was giving her all this attention.. referring to them as “sluts” because they are “outside of the covering of a father or husband. women in their mid-30s or later almost seem shocked when the level of attention they receive from all men, including those their own age, plummets as those women get older. i am extremely independent person- rather introspective- kind of a loner but not alone. glass: “i probably shouldn’t need to put it out to you, but you do get exactly where that leads you to, logically, right? the mgtow and the peter pans give her no gina tingle options so she stays on to ride the carousel. probably shouldn’t need to put it out to you, but you do get exactly where that leads you to, logically, right? reminds me of how my parents told me that because i am black and a woman, my dreams of becoming a fiction writer had zero chance of becoming true,Hadn’t they heard of of octavia butler? i think that if she is in her early to late 30s and she wants to be married, its a good idea to save up some of her earnings and get a small home (somewhere. her comment about girls having a hard time giving away their virginity also doesn’t ring true for me; i have chosen to save sex for marriage so i could be biased and overly optimistic, but based on previous encounters and offers, i could lose my virginity very easily by this weekend if that were what i wanted to do. i don’t disagree, i’ll have to read and reflect though on whether the two scenarios are identical. i live in a rural area (not in or near any big cities) and there are limited opportunities to meet people.@perspective “there’s many men here who keep insisting that a woman’s education is completely worthless. so, this thread – a thread it should be remembered merely about the best way for a woman in her thirties, should she be minded to, to go about attracting a man – has now garnered no less than one thousand three hundred and fifty six comments (1,356). as in, when the older woman will not be referred to as a “cougar,” “cradle robber,” and the younger man will not be accused having an oedipal complex or just being in it for the sex? nothing straight forward, passive aggressive, say one thing do another. all of the other typical excuses she thinks make her more attractive at age 31.’m curious how a 29 year old woman goes about “upping her own value and worth as a woman”? i don’t find it particularly fair for fathers to be so much older either. life gets rather boring very quickly with just two people.’s do a little math………when did father get booted out of the house in earnest by the feminist movement? her standards for men are way, way out of sync with her marriage market value. although i found childfree women located within a wide range of social groups, i did find a relationship between being childfree and higher social class. they may wear shoulder pads (metaphorical and otherwise) but they are faintly ridiculous..A disclaimer for my long-winded personal tale upthread:I am a 30-year-old woman who missed the marriage boat because i rode the cock carousel. her standards for men are way, way out of sync with her marriage market value. in most cases, when i’ve heard a guy say he’s looking for an educated and ambitious woman (that he’s also physically attracted to of course) then that’s exactly what he’s looking for."tron - that may be but that still doesn't follow that you would therefore assume that anyone in a relationship with a partner less attractive than the other is somehow trapped. still, i have never been to massachusetts so perhaps it is different there, but why, do i get the impression that bridge is having trouble finding that christian grey type to ravish her yet all she ends up with is betas who get their wicked way? final nail in the coffin is the majority of society – friends, relatives, the divorce court, feminists at the top – siding with the woman against the man. another practical view, make sure you’re getting to know the person beneath that skin. nor have i accused her of anything outside of what she admitted. do you go for much higher odds of being forced into sin in a situation which “feels” much better and is much more comfortable at the outset (23 year old), or do you go with a much lower chance of being forced into sin, even though there was probably sin galore before you got into the picture and it doesn’t “feel” nearly as good at the outset (35 year old)? ladies go the other direction and look for superficial status symbols, like style or money. statistics are not readily available on the web, but there is an excellent book on the subject called ‘kidfree and lovin’ it! cat lady thing was to show the frustrations an older woman will have when you really start to talk about actually getting married in your thirties. i do think that within marriage, intimacy is “a wifely duty,” however, if the wife is pretty much always consistent on that front, but occasionally is just too exhausted, stressed, ill, or maybe even just not in the mood, does that really mean its ok for her husband (or boyfriend for the “religious” non practicing) to just wait untill she’s asleep and do what they please? at 40, they increase 60% over when a man was in his 20s, even with a woman under 25. most women’s smvs are higher than their mmvs, for this very reason. one woman i knew cheated three times on her husband and claimed that she was raped all three times. a woman has a one night stand every saturday–to fulfill her “emotional needs”–then she only commits 52 instances of extra-marital sex. it is no less valid a thesis than any other one. think chris rock summed up it up very well in his series “not scared” – any attempt to make a woman happy is only screwing yourself. i’m probably more of an omega than an alpha though, maybe there’s something in some women that can’t help but be fascinated by the moth that isn’t fluttering about their flame. is a huge opportunity being missed here by the online dating companies. maybe am just ignorant, but again, i’d rather keep it that way. would agree that one of the things i kept trying to work through with my wife was that the world didn’t revolve around her (or me for that matter). they have a lot of dating options, they’re building their careers, and there isn’t a clear urgency to settle down. why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? are a lot of great guys out there who are in their 40s and 50s, who are in great shape. a lady in an online community i went to posted the article fretting because she was worried about her own love life.’m not sure exactly what you’re accusing me of, because i’m reading your words here as being that of which you are accusing me. i certianly learned some of mistakes to avoid from my father as he raised me, but i learned a whole new quantity of them from several coworkers of all ages. how many women give their free time to organizations let alone there precious money to different religious organizations? after all, if i’m just a woman it should be expected that you could lift more than i could.“for even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.. there’s a term i haven’t heard in a while. big part of why men are pissed is that they come here, learn about game, and then try it out on dates, or girlfriends, or wives, and discover that it works – in most cases, spectacularly well.’ll cover conversation later, as its late over here … lol. there’s no shortage of younger guys who are killing their brain cells as fast as they can, with all manner of drugs, chemicals, and alcohol. let me ask you this: how is your relationship with your father? i’m going to have to save that one for her she is 12 now. jumps up and runs to open her castle doors for the good men. what if you did meet a wonderful woman and she had no children and really desired them ? would put the emphasis in that lest sentence on together, not on he.., advice to a woman in her 30s looking to marry a christian man) because i have a feeling that a lot of women and other people come in here believing that this is a secular discussion, and then take a double barrel shotgun blast of fire and brimstone when they are looking for help, information, and perspective. every individual extra-marital sexual act is fornication, whether or not it is done with the same person. i’m faithful in my church…and they’re not there. now the kid has no father because he can only see him 1 hour per week supervised visit…and the father never struck the child once, but he’s deemed as a bad parent (he took care of the kid while she was out cheating on him). part of this story that *is* hard to believe is that a rabbi, anywhere, is going to marry two dykes. completely that marriage is a poor, poor idea for any man, religious or not, with the sole exception of one who is certain he wishes to have children with that specific woman. men care about a woman’s character, however, a woman’s physical attractiveness is a an important factor than men consider when determining whom to date or settle down with. and that is my biggest issue with what is being said here. can recall two unmarried women in their 30s who married great guys ………both to same-aged, divorced men with children. when a woman is aroused and attracted by a man, she will do anything sexual — anything — for or with that man. phreak is a sling figure of speech for a very sexual woman. she can deny it all she wants, but that dude is still in her head and her heart. couples are having their children in their late 30’s and early to mid 40’s. and any individual woman or man sometimes encounters things that are out of their control.@perspective — “and then of course there were the women, who were just overlooked or never really approached for a relationship; in spite of being attactive and having a lot going for them. i know that most men don’t mind a woman having less education and income than themselves, but the overwhelming majority that i’ve met expect at least some post-secondary and the ability to hold down a job.’d better understand that he’s going to have to put up with her endless comparison about how he never measures up to her ex. but to be honest after 35 both alpha and beta males are skittish about any relationship with her. i look at things other than looks, ever since i first started navigating the dating world, with no direction, guidance, and a plethora of misinformation, like most people who grew up in the west. i can go put another nail in my coffin (smoke a cig). its the couple together- and together they lose the wonderful family dynamic- and sometimes they lose the family altogether in a divorce. creates an emotionally satisfying relationship only for the woman, but the man is never able to lower his guard & build a relationship, which satisfies all his needs, as he has to be alpha all the time, in order to keep the wife. on the 25th february 2013, (wherein i discuss caroline – the girl who had the same guy from the age of 20-28) should be re-read, especially by new-girl ctgvip, who may have missed it. is quite interesting to see the reaction of one of them who i told this to (she was very attractive ex- trophy wife who was very, very, wealthy from her divorce (she was married to one of the san diego padres owners). met my so online, and i think that’s because: (1) we were able to meet in a non-dating online forum for a common interest rather than a generic “match” type site; and (2) we were able to start to get to know each other before i had to make a real investment in time and energy. today, men are taught to be like women, women are taught to be like men, sluts are everywhere and virtuous women are hidden in places where no man can find them. thanks to dalrock, deti’s and other men’s postings, i was able to convince one of my brother’s daughters (early 20’s) to get her boyfriend to marry soon; and she is doing that right now. said, you have touched on something important, and that is your perception – real or otherwise – that women are content being alone, with their fulfilling careers, friends and families, and are not all that interested in finding a relationship. it’s the girl that was not picky enough and lacked confidence in her twenties. where do you think i got when if a women says they don’t want babies they are lying or they cant ?) in the two cases where i was being sued, the other party kept asking to cut a deal and i kept saying “…nah, lets go to court” and they dropped the case just hours before we got there. church seems to be a place many women in thier 30s find themselves going to every or every other sunday in the hopes of meeting a husband. the long run a woman’s happiness will depend far more on her own attitude than who she chooses. i’m 4 months into being 30, but i’ve been aware of my impending expiry date as a marriageable woman, partly because of my mother’s training. they are sexually exclusive with each other, and “accountable” to each other, and go through the motions of trust and emotional intimacy and commitment. no 21st century woman with an iq over 70 would do any of this or put up with any of this (except maybe for the weight thing, but most women i know who feel pressure about weight get that pressure from other women, the culture and the media). no, but i’ve seen it happen often enough (including in my own marriage, where only the real threat of us losing our home got my wife to straighten up, fly right, turn her credit cards over to me, swallow some common sense pills, and finally accept my fiscal headship) to know that it’s the most painfully common fiscal scenario in a marriage.“then i was contacted by a 37 year old divorced woman. but her secret-millionaire-handyman-prince will be along soon to rescue her. i may, is there any sin involved in a monogamous sexual relationship that stays monogamous? it starts with sex and goes from there and women with sense can build up such good will in her family and circle that she is immune to hard ship. i can only wish that my parents or teachers had addressed these points to us as callow youths. you women are here for a reason…because those upper top 10 to 20% of worthy guys haven’t found you worthy. this self defeating “all women only care about millionaires” garbage is bull- a great excuse because you don’t want to bother improving yourself – like so many women, who can afford to at least, do with gym and surgery. if it’s a “mistake”, there are women out there making this “mistake” five, ten, 15, 20 times. i even tried pushing that to my brother’s children (all woman family). and if they feel they’re not good enough, it can be difficult to open up to another person and sustain a relationship.. modern women, are fed lies about what men want or look for in women, assuming that the woman in question is told anything at all.” it is a mistake for a woman to stifle emotions because it is impossible. same advice goes for carolina: be pleasant and feminine, guard your virtue, stay fit, dress well, no tattoos or body piercings other than earrings. you are telling yourself and everyone here lies about what you think women want when you really have no idea.– a greater risk of having a child with down syndrome or other chromosomal abnormalities. so i desire other things – good looks, youthfulness, caring, attentiveness, ‘father’ potential (not a highly paid sunday dad but someone who will atually raise the kid, dad with the capital d). the case of the manosphere, a cultural anthropologist would spend time listening and then observing to see if some of the claims made – that women are sexually turned on by domination, that women seek dominant men, will actually fight other women to be in the circle of a dominant man, that women, at least some women, are happy deferring to their partners – might bear out. but i’m glad you were blessed with some happiness together while she was still here and of course, the gift of your child together. her emotional state is giving him all the value of the word “love”. he has married before, he will be more acceptable into getting into a married relationship with a divorcée in her 30’s as opposed to a single guy. they thus reject the very men to whom they might otherwise have been well suited. expecting men to ignore female promiscuity is equivalent to a man expecting a woman to ignore male impecuniousness – cinderella remember was both chaste and impecunious! who knows, but i’m certainly not giving the ex another chance. it may be slightly more complex than that, but i see looks at the top of most lists of things guys here are looking for in a woman. advice to women in their 30s looking to settle down: forget about mr.: marriage is either important to you, or it’s not. so the cbfc boards are filled with women who have nothing good to say about mothers in the workforce getting special treatment – which is a core component of feminism. things such as internal distractions, personal and life stresses, pressure, and lack of attraction to the woman. i’m not looking for an argument or being snide (it’s hard to convey tone online), i just genuinely want to know: if you have a girlfriend, and she’s dead asleep in bed next to you while you’re awake and aroused, is it acceptable to spread her legs and start humping her until she wakes up in pain? my mother wasn’t willing to give up her job to be a housewife and look after anybody either, my brother had already moved out to escape my mother’s abuse, and i didn’t want my stepfather to have be both father and mother as he was dying, so i dropped out of college and stayed home to help in any way i could. the wife will feel far higher status than her husband, along with likely having easy access to higher-status males through her work. so it just seems unfortunate for those women close to or beyond 30, who actually did and do respect themselves, and yet still come across judgements from others who assume they haven’t. i’ve heard the term “hamsterbation” around here before but i don’t see how my posts can be described that way. men have some really interesting ways of confusing a woman. nearly every young woman can find a basically suitable man to marry. the supreme irony is that back in my single days, if i’d had a “badboy”past that i repented of, i’d have been seen as more appealiing by a lot of churchy women; the returning prodigal is seen as s better catch than the righteous older brother who never ran away. a woman will not respect a man who treats her as an equal. there are indeed men who want and expect to be able to have a conversation with a woman they’re considering for marriage (wouldn’t it be pretty boring if they couldn’t? her daughter is a teenager so that dynamic is a bit different but they also get along well. luckily, there are still a few cool guys out there who see women as actual people instead of sex toys. don’t know the tenth part of my life, or the bible or any other topic on hand.