Dating an older man while in college

Challenges in dating an older man

‘cause there’s no such thing as too many friends.: “most societies have strict rules or norms around age differences, and also when a woman is fair game for seduction. the woman who truly bonds to you is going to be a much better lover over the long-term.: mark manson’s “soul mate”that lady once wrote a blog post about how she never uses any birth control. an unrestricted woman would be sexing up cads/players, but a restricted would not, correct? problem is, most girls in their early 20’s are not mature enough to date an older guy. either she isn’t confident in her body, or her body was naturally reacting in a frightened/reserved manner in front of zach. @ hope“ah, maybe that is because i tend to not over-exaggerate the effects of something, the way certain folks in the manosphere shriek every time a woman says something remotely “bad” about any man. in fact most of them won’t look even as good as perelman does. quite like involuntary romantic ocd *before* you even date the person (give me my mind back you stupid ocd!@passerby“well, you’ve managed to royally piss off the mras, puas, internet feminazis, and reddit mangina dorks.), family-oriented and ready to be with a man who knows how to lead., i have mentioned this before, which means that you may have already answered it, but, i can only remember hearing that 1/2 * man’s age + 7 rule once when i was a child, and i remember it was from someone who was laughing about it (oh, isn’t that awful…that kind of thing). in america, prior to about 1950, it was possible to sue and/or jail a man for “breech of promise” in the circumstances described in the article you linked. which is why i keep saying that n alone is useless, but how a woman got her n is not. “i felt like he was always lecturing me about saving money and getting my homework done,” says samantha.” the men i regard as alpha are much different than many of the definitions i’ve seen. human beings are naturally motivated to assert their values; to think their values are best; and to be intolerant of people with opposite values. – “in susan’s defense, usually the claim in the manosphere is that the carouselers “settle” for the beta to whom they aren’t attracted, since they can’t snag the more wild types for commitment, but are always secretly hoping to trade up from him.@saywhaatunfortunately, unless calibrated against the woman’s menstrual cycles, that doesn’t mean anything. i also find that, once money is off the table, it’s the women who have fewer options or who have been abandoned by their own fathers who go for the older guys. i once asked my dad if he thought my mom was the only woman he ever could’ve married. “the questions a woman needs to ask herself in relationships are: ‘do we have values that we share, are of similar maturity levels, and have some similar interests? but woe be to the guy who took her at word that she wasn’t looking for something too serious and just wants to date and have some fun and butterflies, if she decides she caught feelings (while, at the same time, sarcastically putting him down on a regular basis). but i bet i could have managed a decade, perhaps even a little more”., i can’t recall any talk of perelman’s looks, i’m just offering my personal opinion. i may miss out on some good people on occasion, but i don’t want many friends anyway. my strategy worked for me, and i ended up with an older version of cooper. you are absolutely correct, and the need to date and marry older is one of the logical consequences of the current smp. its a woman’s prerogative to reject yo’ ass too. i’m almost 26, and i have little interest in dating a 22 yo girl 6 months out of college., unless calibrated against the woman’s menstrual cycles, that doesn’t mean anything. and no relationship is ever going to last if the woman does not have this experience. of my upcoming posts is about the book the technique of the love affair, written in 1928 by a gentlewoman. it makes sense, as many young people are in these programs just at the time when they’re thinking about marriage. if men see me as the enemy because i think ron perelman is gross in every way, including physically, they’ve got issues., you’ve managed to royally piss off the mras, puas, internet feminazis, and reddit mangina dorks. should any woman in a similar situation assume the guy is gonna go and do a pschyo-analysis about the time you cut your barbies hair off when you were 4 and its deeply troubled you which has rendered you asexual until the girlfriend label is introduced. my wife does not exactly have warm memories of me pawning off my daughter in such a manner. have never however done impromptu performances of sappy love songs in front of a crowd (unless asked for).@susanone quick point about dating older men is that the older men may not always want to date a younger woman. henry-type short story about a man who writes a pua blog on the science of seduction. i liked his post on the mature man as well., i used to care more about that sort of thing, but i’m too old for that now (@jrd, yes, in manosphere terms i’m “past my prime”). while that may work sometimes, the girl has to generate sexual chemistry in some other way.@ susanthe good news is that most women are not looking at older guys – as i said in the op i have witnessed real resistance to this. texan, 37that sounds like a term invented by a woman projecting.“you’re missing the fact that you can see potential in a person and fall for them hard, and happily enter an ltr with them, all the while knowing that you will most likely not marry. i got engaged and married; i used to call her once in a while, because she was someone i cared about and was concerned about. summarize:dating a man 5-10 years older carries significant benefits and minimal downsides. i grew up in la, went to college in missouri, moved back to la, went to grad school in the east. the popularization of second wave feminism, with the accompanying view that a woman’s virginity was her own to dispose of, removed those laws from the books, but i would bet that someone on this thread will characterize the criminal prosecution of the man in your link as “feminist. it just so happens that they’ve noticed that this result comes more often if they assume a dominant position and demand submissiveness. we just don’t see or hear about them because it is death as a young man to openly identify oneself as a sexual loser. had his own job, made his own money, had sex anytime he wanted with a kinky and very good-looking woman – for free. but for the life of me i don’t understand why on earth manboobzians would get all sensitive and sentimental about patriarchal religions. older the guy is, the more likely it is that he’s economially secure. his “maturity” is not what got him that woman with the very shiny face. – man, if i had a million dollars i wouldn’t be on here, but if you think you can get blood from a turnip, knock yourself out. otherwise, you’re living a lie and robbing me of a real opportunity to marry someone who loves me the way you now love the other woman. be it modern medical tech, women having fewer children, or even the appeal of lululemon, to me a lot of women are staying attractive at much older ages than was previously true (one girl i was dating introduced me to her aunt, who was 40, and i honestly would have tossed aside the 23 year old in a heartbeat for her she was that gorgeous).” i think there are many people each of us could be potentially happy with. otherwise, you’re living a lie and robbing me of a real opportunity to marry someone who loves me the way you now love the other woman. reality is that many men date multiple women for the same reasons women date a lot of men. would any woman want to cover up great looking breasts? there’s a strong correlation between whether a woman is interested in temporary-ltrs or marriage and whether she goes after guys her age or older guys.: beach people, i was one for a while, then i ran away from it, now i want to be one again. considering how many men here have denigrated gold-diggers, i’m surprised by the approval of it — i guess it’s groovy if you’re really hot.”charlotte is protecting herself emotionally, which is an important survival skill for a woman in nyc!) yet is less fire-n-brimstone (and definitely much more erudite) than many –i’d say most– branches of christianity. the husband of whom we dream at twenty is not at all the type of man who attracts us at thirty. know this is a blog for college students but i found it helpful and interesting when i broke off my engagement to my fiance when i was 31, and was back in the dating game, which i hadn’t done since i was 25. since i began reading in the ‘sphere, i will occasionally slip in a manosphere trope like, “would you like me better if i were more submissive?”i can’t speak for the other guys, but i’ve never “dumped” a woman in my entire life. i think the oldest man i would possibly consider dating right now would be 37-39, and that’s pushing it. the fourth time, the point is this: there’s a lot of anger and bitterness and hostility in the manosphere. the first is an ltr timed thing, the second should be known within the first few minutes (seconds if your a man) . there is something very sexy about a man in a position of authority, with gravitas. the idea of waking up next to ron perelman (i can’t even bear to think about going to sleep with him) is enough to make me want to run away to the other side of the country and wait tables., i did ask you a question a few threads back that you never answered, so, i will ask it again:oh man, ramble, if you are going to talk about how much you long for women to get dumped if they gain 5 lbs…whoa. a woman to commit at 21 for life is asking for divorce. in college, i was engaged to a man 9 nine years my senior. i agree with tasmin that the whole wing-man thing, and the buddy asking if you are interested, seems pretty juvenile. one of the 23 year old women i know dating a guy ten years older thought he was 26 or so when they met. “things do tend to be more serious when we’re together than when i’m with my girlfriends,” says spencer*, a 21 year-old who is casually dating a guy almost twenty years older than her. because she wants a man who will love her fully or whatever.

Dating an older man while in college

“you can’t hate the resources that dating an older guy gets you,” admits spencer. is fun to think about, but if i chalked up my entire relationship to fate, i’d have to devalue the challenge of two years of long distance, the semester abroad with limited contact, the family controversy from last year, and my manic episode/subsequent hospitalization and grad school dropout. in college, sure, but after college, that is not that realistic. you had some cute, older football player pining for you when you were in junior high and you are saying that you did not get attention until college? granted, a month later he turned 25, but he was wiser, more eloquent and more mature in the spiritual/emotional sense than even many men who have years on him. – what’s the psychology in dating an older man who looks young? he’s also the one who broke into my apartment to leave a written apology while i was sleeping after we’d argued. they may mature from liking bad boys in high school to selecting for character in college. have been quite a few guys like that who had hell raising teens and 20s and then keep with, or settle down with a woman who can help keep them balanced. affairs are common – the woman has little to lose if she’s young and single, provided she doesn’t fall for you. comments like hers implicitly tell the manosphere “yes, you’re right. you know how it goes: the more manic you are, the more you don’t need to sleep, and the more manic you become., on the blogs were the adage gets a lot of credence, there are older guys who think that they can continue to be attractive to very young women into their 60s as long as they work out. one point, he stood over me and placed his hand on the small part of my back while whispering in my ear. samantha jones to kourtney kardashian, being a “cougar” has taken on a rather glamorous stereotype. i’m not trying to complain or whine, just trying to paint a realistic view of how ‘betas’ see the world in college and why they can become so bitter later in life. perhaps in years long gone there were just as many unrestricted folks as there are now, but social pressure kept their behavior in check. don’t worry, not all finance guys are dbag frat boys just like not all fashion women are ditzy elitist materialistic hyper-consuming solipsistic entitled trust fund princesses with art history degrees from expensive ne private colleges with 60% acceptance rates. ideally most women like a guy that is slightly older. think any woman who gets married to the first man she dates runs a very strong risk of a poor marriage. sure, i can believe jesus was the son of god, just like i am, and every other man is. would not date a woman who was dating someone else. just because the man is older does not mean the child would not be taken care of, one way or another. just as you do not owe any woman a relationship based on having had a few dates with her., sounds like something a victorian hack would do right after treating a woman’s “hysteria” with a vibrator. *shrug*please stop painting me out to be a woman hater, you and i both know it isn’t true. perhaps that’s why so much of this went right over my head, i wasn’t just “tricked” by the romance myth, i think i’m wired to actually like most of it as well…i always thought i was the romantic type! loved how sam fell in love with pregnant gilly, one of the many daughter wives of the old man craster north of the wall and gave her that thimble from his mother (or whatever it was). i think many men like you have little interest in very young women.@esco“in many ways, la has more in common with phoenix that it does with san francisco. even though you always bat your eyes, flip your hair, and thank him, feel free to chip in every once in awhile. much as your parents may like your older boyfriend, don’t be surprised if they have some reservations about your relationship. there are students who are referred to as “college marrieds,” and they share all meals, sleep together in the same bed every night, study together, etc.“however, you aren’t entitled to either one, no woman owes you either one. i find the older people get, the more comfortable they are, both with their sexuality, but also with who they are as people.” the men i regard as alpha are much different than many of the definitions i’ve seen. for samantha*, who dated a 25 year-old when she was 20, there’s a fine line between a guy offering his opinion and babying you. confess i worried about you, intj and the other young guys while writing this – i didn’t want you to feel discouraged. it’s common with young women (a big reason they go after so many dbags is for the “excitement”).,yeah, that is one side of the mansphere that seems a bit whacky to me(like those desktop pua’s that pick-up 9’s and10’s every night without leaving their chairs). if i was friends with charles manson, and a girl who he was hitting on asked me what he was like, i’d tell her he was a fantastic, balanced, sane guy. one young woman i know wrote one up but had no response. assortative mating arises even though there are no complementarities between the skills of the two members of the couple, due to the public good aspect of children’s human capital, which generates increasing returns to skills in the household., i haven’t heard a woman say “second base” since 1970. in hs i was a two sport athlete, and in college, an engineer. they breeze in, charm a couple of young pretty ones, have their buddies keep it spinning while they work the room, assess their probabilities, and then either close a deal or ripcord. but a guy in his 40’s shooting for a 22yo woman is a pervert, and let’s not even talk about those 50+ guys!@intjgot doesn’t have as much nudity, but what nudity there is is of considerably higher quality 🙂one of the reasons girls had so many male fans was that it came on right after got. while they went back into the office, i plucked a flower, went up to the girl as she got out of her car. i’m having a hard time seeing why you’d accuse me of trapping this man. you’re a hot young woman who can’t make rent in a studio apartment and puts a premium on having clothes, shoes, expensive purses, and travel to exotic locales, sleeping with ron perelman probably looks like a dream scenario. (although i bet someone like jaclyn friedman gives someone like gloria allred a pain in the ass that no amount of advil can dull. i said what ted and i think of as an ltr, is what you have termed (i think) an “mini-marriage” (not “college married”).!this was pretty much my college experience:weekend 1: social isolation and boredom. and clearly a woman who is younger than him is going to be just that, unless he is extremely good looking. 😉“i assure you that i can put many evangelical preachers to shame when it comes to fiery speeches about sin, evil, and eternal damnation, and i’m not all that invested in the religious aspects at all. but you have never felt this degree of longing before, for any woman. one of those things that isn’t fun but can be managed. “i think the age difference scares my dad in particular because [my boyfriend] is older and more towards the ‘marrying age. second, post college i think most people only go into an ltr if the possibility is there – and spending months or years together confirms that or makes clear it’s not going to work.. live the rest of your days doing that while you have the opportunity to do it and make the best of it. sexual conservatism was not lauded…me: in retrospect, a friend from college fit into this category….@gayatriif a woman needs resources to raise a child she well might look for older men, though. you are most certainly not the man i recommend, lol. age/maturity does not guaranty that a man will bring those things that a woman isn’t already providing for on her own – even if she is a few years younger.”ah, maybe that is because i tend to not over-exaggerate the effects of something, the way certain folks in the manosphere shriek every time a woman says something remotely “bad” about any man.@ted dwell, reading about you being perceived as emotionless in most settings but being quite romantic at heart hits home to me. there’s a certain kind of intellectual intuition that makes many math and abstract concepts essentially transparent. women talk about the reality of dating older men with money. women’s preferences shift more towards dads than cads as they get older (and incidently less attractive)? the ancient hebrews did allow a man to divorce his wife provided he gave her a “bill of divorcement,” returned her dowry, etc.@j:“the bible also assumes that a man acquires a wife through intercourse. i know it does happen from time to time, but if my college (a small christian private university) was any indication, back in the early 2000s it wasn’t really happening. my mother was telling me how a relationship is not as bad as many older men make it look, like because average guys(like the woman’s boyfriend was) can get sex from women, even hot women. but if a man expresses that same sentiment in public and in writing about unattractive and overweight women, he’s a sexist pig jerk. how many times have we heard guys say “sloppy seconds” here?“the bible also assumes that a man acquires a wife through intercourse. he came home and told his wife one day that he was in love with a man and wanted a divorce. my grandfather was very much the old school stoic “manly” man type. but i don’t sit around with a huge sign that says repent while there’s still time!, j:she wasn’t talking about perelman being an asshole, or even about his being undesirable as a man because of an unattractive personality or distasteful behavior. i’m 42 and married to a woman 8 years my junior.@ zachobviously charles manson is an extreme example, but it’s absolutely true. perhaps its just that he has spent several years plowing through the “hotter, younger, tighter” women, so he won’t miss out on anything when he prioritizes the older women now. hope, you are quite the analyzer of human nature, in my opinion. really don’t want to enumerate what’s wrong with the older holly, adding insult to already grievous injury, but since you brought up her becoming heavier with age.

Dating an older man in college

the good news is that most women are not looking at older guys – as i said in the op i have witnessed real resistance to this. if a game-aware decent to high earning college educated professional is no longer good enough to secure an attractive woman than this society is well and truly lost. date an older dude and you’ll instantly realize how much more fun it is to go to an actual restaurant as opposed to just ordering pizza and “hanging out.@ramblebrohamlet, how much theater did you do in hs and college?“while i like to have fun, i also like serious conversation every once in a while,” says rachel*, a college graduate who dated a 19 year-old during her mid-twenties.“i am not running anyone except ron perelman down, whom i consider to be a bad man. he’s also the one who broke into my apartment to leave a written apology while i was sleeping after we’d argued. but leaving aside the manosphere hyperbole, the underlying reality is the same. he was well out of college and had a steady, professional job and since she was not going to college and did not have a “real” job (part time work), she basically ended up “playing housewife” (her words, not mine)…well, she loved it.. at my age, if i was heavy on the sauce, it would take a little more than that to “stir my manhood” (which is not to say that it couldn’t be stirred)., you might as reasonably have said that he is the tallest man on the show because the men you regard as tall are much different than many of the definitions you’ve seen., the manosphere is so toxic that my husband asked me specifically to stop reading it in the first year that we were together. of throneswe just finished a “black friday” event at the humane society, where we are trying to adopt out as many animals as we can. since my college pals are still in that “senior yeaaaaar man” stage.)and look, once we got to see how talented ld was with her work on girls, i don’t think a single woman has made an unkind remark about her (ld) looks. they’ve already lost one man and don’t want to nursemaid another. so, to be honest, i just don’t see much of this “i can’t get involved in college because i’ll be moving away in 4 years” stuff you deal with regularly. in the beginning he would do nice stuff for me but by the end of the relationship he was pissed i wasn’t helping him pay his bills even though he made 0,000 and i was a college kid working at the campus library! and i got to lead groups of hundreds of people on raids, which was far more interesting than anything i learned in college. but keep in mind, the ‘sphere tends to collect the “herb” type men after they’ve been burned, so perhaps many of them have indeed been in marriages where no or little attraction was ever present. i think 15 years might be as far as i could manage, but only because at that point, we probably wouldn’t share any kind of common history at all. and when you’re a young, attractive woman you basically can have whoever you want. you troll here, at rollo’s and and at manboobz?”it is true that the longer a man dates, it is less likely that he will be satisfied with the one he will marry. i was literally smirking at the thought, and only realized it when i saw myself in the review mirror while scanning behind me, as is my routine.“lol, that post i wrote about that shit test has gone viral on reddit half a dozen times, been featured prominently on pua forums all over the place, and generally made me the least popular woman that nobody ever heard of in america. no matter what he’s telling himself on his setting page, a 30 year-old man spends as much time messaging 18 and 19 year-olds as he does women his own age. i think there’s a “gamer stereotype” that gets passed around among people who don’t know very many gamers personally. i’m just encouraging women to broaden the net and not be suspicious of men a bit older, who have some advantages. as he said, women and sex are easy and he doesn’t want to work at it with any woman; he sees no need to, and in nyc, no woman is special enough to make it worthwhile–there is always another one to give him exactly what he wants/needs. you are most certainly not the man i recommend, lol. and quite possiblely for many years, too, just like my grandmother. seriously, show me an example of this in tv or movies from the last 25 years where a man demands from his gf/wife that she lose weight and he is not shown to be an ass. was always complaining that the women in west la were too heavy (as compared with the model thin women in manhattan, i guess). he stayed with me recently while visiting hebrew college here and he recounted this story.”this i agree with, if you’re limiting your comments to ron perelman. “i’ve hung around tons of gamer guys, their partners, friends, families, and all that, and the only two women who ever liked playing settlers of catan were: 1) one woman who was more masculine than 50% of the guys in the game, and 2) a married woman who only played so she could give her husband good deals on trades.@detideti, the repulsiveness of perelman is in his character (or lack thereof, rather).@ramble re: training: i suppose, but given i was in a full-time job with an extremely long commute (hour+ by car one way), and also in a mentally demanding career, with 10-11 hours of work + job, and 8 hours of sleep (extremely generous) that still leaves a solid five hours. as a young woman in her 20s and early 30s she was sexy as hell.. you get to experience more than just the usual college bars.” that seems awfully harsh to me – 30 is the median marriage age for college educated women. you don’t even allow the small talk with the woman at work.”i spent college pretty much withdrawn and depressed, although that was mostly an inability to cope with self-structured life. and a woman deserves to have a husband who sees her as a hot, younger chick, and not someone who he may want to “trade in”. it has more to do with people becoming too entrenched in their age-specific social circles and thus lacking the opportunities to mix it up with an older set than an actual resistance to older suitors. younger woman, older man thing will always raise brows from both sexes due to jealousy. the record, perelman and barkin had a pre-nup which stipulated that after a certain date she would be eligible to receive some rather large chunk of his fortune in the event of divorce.“how many times have we heard guys say “sloppy seconds” here? the question is how do you motivate more boys (junior high and high school) to do well enough in school and to go to college in numbers equalling or exceeding the number of women, assuming there is value to that. also my friend maridee’s dad winked, squeezed my knee and called me curvy girl while no one was looking. every year older a man is past a certain age (his physical peak of 28? when i actually managed to get her to take a piece of clothing off , after we were done making out (which is all it was), she used her arms to cover herself up as we were watching tv. the truth is that without these mores, many men would have sex with females who are not yet adults. you can’t dodge this by redefining it to be college-educated only, unless you want to admit that you never talk to men without college. me in a mood where i should be settling with a guy who may not be ‘the one’ just because he is older & my market value is fast declining. my point is, even a “restricted” woman can ride the “carousel” once or twice, and if the primary sticking point is riding at all, then unrestricted vs. she said she has absolutely no idea i had romantic intensions.:“deti, the repulsiveness of perelman is in his character (or lack thereof, rather). “the older we are as fathers, the more likely we will pass on our mutations,” says lead author kári stefánsson, chief executive of decode genetics in reykjavik. 😛 the only people i can “hang around” with are the ones i have some deep connection with, be it friendship or romantic.@zachone quick point about dating older men is that the older men may not always want to date a younger woman.@zach“when i actually managed to get her to take a piece of clothing off , after we were done making out (which is all it was), she used her arms to cover herself up as we were ”my wife did this the first time i took her top off.“most people do get that gold diggers aren’t into much older men’s looks. the college bubble is going to burst, and grad schools will be part of that – perhaps that will make a difference. among the 50 year olds are some attractive looking marreid milf types; yes, you can see they are older, but they keep themselves in shape. alone is indeed a prospect that should concern a woman who marries a man 10+ years older than herself. you’re a college student, you might be tempted to prowl for dates in your econ 101 class or at the bar your classmates frequent. husband is a great emotional communicator and listener, nf type, and he had a bad bout of depression in college as well. there must be a reason why reasonably fit college professors were getting laid like tile by their students before they finally had to prohibit it to appease the feminists.”so there is market demand for restricted sororities and fraternities.”i’ve only had four total romantic contacts in my entire life. his “maturity” is not a plus unless it affords the woman something she can’t get from a guy her own age or a bit older.@ passer_by:“i have experienced this many times, in reverse. in the manosphere would not say that they want submissive women. i take your point – in no way should she deceive a young man into thinking he’s going to get a relationship if she’s trying to keep things casual. nobody mentioned that the social hierarchy in college is rather fragmented, and the smart guys are outside the sexual hierarchy. four of the six could strongly relate, while two were not affected:the editor, 36it’s not an internal thing for me. big deal when wife goes home for a while and suddenly the other girl who was kino’ing to every 10 secs has no counterbalance. and a woman deserves to have a husband who sees her as a hot, younger chick, and not someone who he may want to “trade in”.” but if a man expresses that same sentiment in public and in writing about unattractive and overweight women, he’s a sexist pig jerk. for one am glad my husband is only two years older than me.” From the days of having cooties in kindergarten, we’ve been led to believe that boys oHomeaboutsourcesstart herecoachingebooksadvertisecontactcartwhy you should date an older guysusan walsh •. though a younger dude’s “yolo” attitude can be refreshing and make you nostalgic for your own carefree freshman days, it could cause a strain on your relationship. “while i love spending time with him and think he’s a great person, i know i won’t be spending the rest of my life with him. you go for that guy who is already over the whole college thing?

Dating someone older while in college

i had genuine regard for him and still think he is a wonderful man. i was 18, i did not feel mature enough to be dating a man in his upper 20s or 30s. she referred to — and recoiled from — perelman’s physical attributes, not his character defects. saying you need to find a guy who can buy you things or whatever but it is nice to be with someone who isn’t a broke college dude and can afford to do things that are not free.@susan:“i was inspired to write this post by a couple of women i know who are really, really enjoying relationships with men ten years older. i am 33, and would like to marry a woman about 20 years younger than me. can you please explain to me what the actual difference is between a restricted and an unrestricted woman other than perhaps how high her n got? if he had a nasty breakup with (or for older men, a nasty divorce from) someone in his demographic, there's a good shot that's why he's with you — someone who, ostensibly, can't hurt him. this is the first time in quite a while i’ve dated people my own age and i actually like we have first-hand experience with the same bands, the same music. that does not mean i will ever settle for a man from a good family who’s got no personality, humour or education. obviously the physical attraction would exist for a wide range of very young women but it’s hard to imagine spending significant (non-sack) time with a woman way, way younger. human beings are naturally motivated to assert their values; to think their values are best; and to be intolerant of people with opposite values. meanwhile, he has aged like wine and her like milk. while both regret never marrying, both continue to live their lives. i see that while i was away you got a lot of great feedback already from guys.: game of thrones and older womenmy boyfriend thinks that cersei lannister is the hottest got female.” while women may enjoy or benefit from talk therapy more than men, much depression will not be alleviated by listening alone. some people in the (wo)manospheres need to realize is that life isn’t fair, that they are owed nothing, and that some people – when their high and unchanging standards are combined with their low smv – are destined to be alone forever. if you’re a hot young woman who can’t make rent in a studio apartment and puts a premium on having clothes, shoes, expensive purses, and travel to exotic locales, sleeping with ron perelman probably looks like a dream scenario. imo, three year gap in hs seemed kind of gross, while a 5, even up to 10 year gap between 25 and 35, not so much. zach is pushing for the physical and in his own words, managed to get her to take her top off, but she is clearly uncomfortable because he is not emotionally invested in her.) i’m not a people person, and this is but one way it manifests. about the only to consider would be the greater possibility of defects with the older dad.”no, this was definitely the thinking with the people i was with in college (state school) the late 1990’s.“i don’t know if bringing up briffault’s law is verboten here or not, but in both cases, the woman is benefitting, just in different ways. i was in the eighth grade and he was a freshman at the high school. is a senior at boston university, studying magazine journalism  in the college of communication. woulda thunk the manbooz commentariat are a bunch of abrahamic religious zealots? a vast majority of college aged women (18-23yo) don’t give two shits about finding their future husband, and won’t even start to look at the ‘provider’ role until about 23yo.@tedd:“truth is, that isn’t very fair on whatever poor woman is with me at the moment, which is why i’m working on it. if smv is a measure of how sexually attractive a woman finds a man, then men peak at 28., don’t walk, away from any man who wants to lock it down right away. i’m curious because i personally don’t know many (or any) guys that are overly emotional like you’ve described- it would seem intuitive that most men would be overly guarded about their emotions (and yes, i may be biased because that is how i am). “while he may have a more secure job, that doesn’t mean he’s my personal pocketbook,” says hayley. i’m also pointing out that a sizable number of the men in the 80%, the betas, deltas and gammas, and the betas susan says she wants women to meet, date and marry, are going to resemble perelman physically (short, fat and physically unattractive) even if they don’t resemble his personality. so, to you the ‘average’ woman with a few flings under her belt is normal, to me she might as well have an n of 20. i can’t imagine demanding a life experience with no heartbreak.“and my manic episode/subsequent hospitalization and grad school dropout. about a sure-fire way to becoming a carousel rider; live with a man for a few years, be taken care of, get a taste for it, then when you break up, you’re looking for another one to get the same.”i was definitely with my college gf just to fill the “relationship hole”, meaning that i wanted a relationship, but had no interest in marrying her.”it’s the manner of the presentation that seems immature/weird, not necessarily the restrictedness being conveyed. as stupid as anyone who would judge a woman for being single at 40 or 30 or 22. why the change in tone in regards to older men dating younger women? think that many people of both sexes flirt with unrestricted behavior – that’s clear from the stats showing that half of all men and women who hook up are doing it to get a relationship. she would have to be 13 years my junior before we hit 29, which imo is not only still reasonable, but honestly a goal i think i could have managed provided i was willing to make some compromises. do not approve of any person using any other person for gain while pretending to be making up their mind. i’m just encouraging women to broaden the net and not be suspicious of men a bit older, who have some advantages. or, as the ‘sphere likes to say: ignore what a woman says and watch what she does. most societies have strict rules or norms around age differences, and also when a woman is fair game for seduction. likewise, when i was single in my ‘30s, i don’t recall fresh out of college women ever going gaga for me when i was fresh out of law school and gainfully employed. i know very few men that i would consider attractive that are 40 and older. when a man is finally ready to settle down, he’ll take the best woman his smv can barter for and make it work… the way it’s always been, from aristotle to today. after two months, the woman at work asks to get off the project. and women leave college at 22-23, so that means the man will be 28 before he’s become truly proficient in a non-trivial skill learned there – not just competent, proficient. deti november 27, 2012 at 2:37 pm hope: i’m not here to gain points with the manosphere. sure, a 33 y/o woman can rail at the harsh tone and overall injustice of how over 30 women are on the receiving end of a blanket discount. jeez, if i had a nickel for every time i’ve seen the manosphere rag on women who let themselves go!’m going to keep score of how many marriages i know of where i’m “absolutely 100% certain* i know the sex of the person at fault for the divorce (and the reason). if a quality is intrinsic, why would it ever need to be announced…it actually has the opposite effect…”i always shake my head when i see or hear a woman identify herself as “independent”. but here’s a conclusion that is right out of the age of romantic novels:what men want“most of the men in these groups want to marry at some future time in their lives,” the researchers conclude. it just so happens that they’ve noticed that this result comes more often if they assume a dominant position and demand submissiveness. compared with younger dads, older fathers pass on significantly more random genetic mutations to their children. i’m quite romantic but am also an introvert and shy in big groups. but those women who do like the older guys with authority seem to really really like them. i do hope, though, that this young woman starts to hang with a more restricted crowd, and that if zach is frustrated with her, he should move along. tend to romanticize other aspects of the relationship, protector/nurturer roles are played up for us. 🙂j and kathy, yep i’m grateful to be with a good man. hate sounding like my grandfather, but man i could really rip shit up if i could go back to my 18yo body with my 42yo knowledge. grew up to the sweetest, most resilient and independent young man you’ve ever seen. without those rules, many women would have sex with men who aren’t interested supporting their children! haven’t spoken to a single young man in the last four years who wants to marry before his late 20s at the earliest. i don’t think women have any idea that many men in their 30s would like to settle down… i think it’s a direct result of the culture that says all men want is sex.“i think it’s fair to say that any woman who marries you in future is a fool. ”well, yes, but also consider that the media is constantly touting that fewer men are even going to college, making college educated men with good jobs more of a rarity.:“just as it’s delusional to assume that all men age into clooney, it’s just as unfair to assume that all men age and look like perlman.“she referred to — and recoiled from — perelman’s physical attributes, not his character defects.”yes, but then the fun ends a few years and the woman/man falls out of love and wanders off. thanks to a stable income, your older squeeze may want to shower you with presents. i think many guys employ the same reasoning as i do in dating, that they will go out casually, meet new people, and at the chance they find someone whom they connect with, possibly start a relationship when they feel it is right. run, don’t walk, away from any man who wants to lock it down right away. to most of the collegiettes we talked to, their friends and family members support them dating someone older. a good example of this is semester abroad romances, which are very common and can be very intense.. she did, so i escalated emotionallybasically i played the role of the woman in our courtship in terms of emotional escalation, and she pushed for sex.@david foster(dawn’s desires at thirty should not be thought of as “settling”…the author makes her sexual desire for her older & more stable new love interest just about as clear as one could get away with in 1911 in a mainstream novel)that’s a very interesting excerpt! in an polygamous society like that of the ancient hebrews, a man can not commit adultery with a single woman since she is a potential wife. that’s the manosphere myth – the notion that a woman is likely to cuckold or cheat with some more alpha male during ovulation.

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) who were denied counselling and pretty much told to fuck off and man up. have a question, mainly for the girls, that is completely off topic:let’s say you had a friend who was dating a great guy for a good while and found out that he just asked her to marry him and she accepted and she was really excited by it. a woman or man doesn’t want to gross out their spouse, they just have to maintain their health. after two months, the woman at work asks to get off the project. he was an overly romantic/sentimental type, and he would tell me things that would make my skin crawl., she seems a very, shy, restricted, nervous woman, which in today’s world seems juvenile and way outside the norm. should add that if a man must have the following to secure the unconditional love of an college-educated attractive young woman (~18-25):-above average resources compared to the us population, even though resources take decades for a man to accumulate. not to mention, where would i even meet an older guy? i’m having a hard time seeing why you’d accuse me of trapping this man.. “pretty”, insofar that she seems feminine enough, and she’s cute, and probably the type that a lot of college guys today would love to find but can’t. if men see me as the enemy because i think ron perelman is gross in every way, including physically, they’ve got issues. these men are saying these things, my husband is a man, therefore he must feel the same way. (technically, sloppy seconds is a second man in the same night. yet, so many of your posts are crabbing about how bad things are. how are practicing the teachings of christ while writing a blog about alphas? the problem was that, while he loved his wife and had never been unfaithful to her, she didn’t provide him with the admiration and sense of sharing goals i did.”well, if you are a size zero anorexic, you are certainly less likely to have womanly curves.@deti“she’s throwing gasoline on that fire by breaking bad on a guy like ron perelman because he’s unattractive., while the manosphere can complain about the smp today in comparison to the monogamy of recent history, they should remember that for much of ancient history omegas and deltas would have much bigger problems than getting laid.@ljbut if you look at more than just raw numbers i think guys in their 30′s have a better “selection” than men in their 40′s and certainly 50′s especially if you’re a guy who is not interested in being a step-dad and would prefer to be with a never-married/no kids woman. he’s also the one who broke into my apartment to leave a written apology while i was sleeping after we’d argued. did ignore some arguments that were relevant to my point which is that marriage is not the point at which loyalty/permanence enters the relationship. there is a lot of socialization against those types of relationships, which may explain why a lot of women find the older guy unappealing, or maybe they just aren’t wired that way. last time i was attracted to a guy more than 3 years older than me was in high school. someone old enough to be a much older cousin/young uncle/father, when i didn’t have some kind of daddy complex…., and re: the downsides of dating older men–such as decreased libido and longevity–men who are into physical fitness will mitigate or obliterate both of these boundaries. bible also assumes that a man acquires a wife through intercourse. someone who obeys the ten commandments is superior to one who knowingly does not? like you quoted from david buss about 3 to 4 years older.@susan:“i would never want a man to marry me because we’d been in an ltr together. i had previously said i had met 2 women who loved this game, and have to amend that to 3 (forgot one stem woman i know who is a big gamer)…. while i certainly do respect and appreciate his ability to do that, i wouldn’t say that he dominates me. obviously haven’t read the threads at manboobz so i have no sense of the discussion over there, but is it possible you were banned for consistently bringing up material that was off topic? you are swept up in a whirlwind romance or dating the boyfriend from hell, dating is always a learning experience. mean that the two terms are less than a milimeter apart yet one signifies that you are confederate plantation-owning civil war general and the other means you are chair of the department of peace and conflict studies at mills college. and i didn’t say that “all men age and look like perelman”. i generally have a thing for older men, but they usually pass my limit around 47. most of the time it takes two, but once or twice i’ve given a woman the benefit of the doubt. yet, despite the fact that the ancient hebrews succeeded in a scenario that most guys can only fantasize about while playing wow, there is so much anti-semitism in the ‘sphere.@rambleas you can see, men tend to focus on the youngest most fertile womeninteresting, while i was researching this post i came across a raging debate among evo psychologists. i talked to 10 women from various sugar daddy dating websites about the reality of dating older men with money. at the same time, i think it’s folly to suggest that a man’s smv peaks in his late 30s. when i was 18, i did not feel mature enough to be dating a man in his upper 20s or 30s. perception is reality, and my perception of a woman “changing” attraction triggers due to age is no different than my perception of a woman “settling” for a beta because she can no longer snag an alpha. they often get played freshman year once, get even more cautious, and promptly become invisible to the frats for the remainder of their college years. the older the man is, the less the maxim holds imo. i actively think about my husband and look at his pictures/read our old conversations while he’s away.@jackie“imagine a black man saying to me, you are a pretty white girl. when i was 18, i did not feel mature enough to be dating a man in his upper 20s or 30s. collect a welfare check with no guilt and while you still can. i’m also pointing out that this attitude, which susan has given voice to, is one of the primary reasons the manosphere exists. many ways, la has more in common with phoenix that it does with san francisco. i know you are used to pushing back on woman haters and their ilk, but *i* am not one of them, and i don’t think most of the guys here are either.”i considered converting to judaism for a while, but decided that i liked bacon far too much..Jp – yeah but you are literally sticking it to the “man” when you sue the fed. she was a freshman and got played by a cad, she was devastated.“but a guy in his 40′s shooting for a 22yo woman is a pervert, and let’s not even talk about those 50+ guys! but, if i showed that part of me to the world, the world would chew me up and spit me out a total wreck of a man. the age gap gets bigger, some collegiettes find themselves not wanting to tell their parents about their older guy. i know kids who applied to ten colleges and only harvard accepted them. for elizabeth*, a collegiette who’s consistently dated guys four to ten years older than her, “older and wiser” men have helped her see different ways to approach various situations. most of the girls are with guys who are much older than their male classmates. one woman wrote to me that she waited 6 weeks after describing herself as severely depressed. don’t comment on looks much, but most people do get that gold diggers aren’t into much older men’s looks. of course, it’s a matter of preference – i have no objection to a man’s wanting to select a woman with a longer timeframe of fertility. india, having sex with a woman by falsely saying you will marry her is considered rape. and she though my first “performance” issues were due to having to use condoms. a guy who’s younger than you is bound to have a similar admiration for you, only filled with passion and romance.’s true that as a man gets older, he will have a tougher time dating 20 year olds. a college degree and a solid corporate gig used to be more than enough. these men are saying these things, my husband is a man, therefore he must feel the same way. “my friends thought i should stick to guys closer to my age who were either close to graduating [college] or already graduated,” rachel says.” imagine that you are dating a woman and have been for two years.@loklandi have heard similar stories re waits for counseling at american colleges. when i was 18, i did not feel mature enough to be dating a man in his upper 20s or 30s., if you are a size zero anorexic, you are certainly less likely to have womanly curves. the fact that we formed an entire religion and society based on the teachings of jc alone goes against the 10 commandments: thou shalt have no false gods before me.:i’m not here to gain points with the manosphere. i have seen susan advocate for all kinds of guys, many of whom are nowhere near “conventional” hotness. they often get played freshman year once, get even more cautious, and promptly become invisible to the frats for the remainder of their college years. it goes strictly against deti’s lectures last week – perhaps you didn’t agree with him about a woman following her husband and putting his career first? he was sent here to simply prove that humans were capable of being more than animals. it felt wierd and scary, as though a man who was so much older was deliberately targeting me because he might have felt i was young and naive (vulnerable, but not in a good way) and not mature enough to negotiate a relationship with a man so much older and experienced. the idea of waking up next to ron perelman (i can’t even bear to think about going to sleep with him) is enough to make me want to run away to the other side of the country and wait tables. they may mature from liking bad boys in high school to selecting for character in college. the 52 year old who wants a woman in her 20s should get out there and see what he’s got. 24 year old chinese pop star dating 12 year old

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hell, i couldn’t even reliably tell you what women found attractive in me based on what i know now, so how would i have ever truly known if a woman was very attracted for sure? i’m currently wrapping the print version of this educational manual. need to always feel they have the young woman in their life. 23-24, i’m 2-3 years older than you depending on the time of year.@jl125what’s the psychology in dating an older man who looks young? the man whom i could care for at thirty would be the normal, safe and substantial sort who would come in at six o’clock, kiss me once, sniff the air twice and say: “mm! it took five years for me to claw up to my managerial position at work after college. if a 24 yo man pairs up with a 19 yo woman, it’s all good to me, but an 80 yo man with a 47 yo woman?” acquiring a bride through intercourse wasn’t the most socially acceptable way to do so, but no man got away with triffling with the womenfolk. he wants a hot younger woman to fool around with when he has the time and you want cash and presents because your soul sucking day job doesn’t cover more than the bills. seems to me most women prefer you to be this way as a man anyway (and that’s not chest puffing, just an observation). by the time a man that invests in himself truly comes into his own, he’ll be far separated from the hottest women he knew back in hs/college, while those that were either naturally endowed or chased flashy but ultimately superficial pursuits at the expense of long-term return got the pick of the litter. i was in graduate school, we would meet up once in a while to catch up. a man approaching 50, i have to point out that a woman rejecting anyone part 40 or so isn’t getting any younger herself. i’m having a hard time seeing why you’d accuse me of trapping this man. are older guys who think that they can continue to be attractive to very young women into their 60s as long as they work out.”there are good reasons for women, either in their early 20s or older, to be wary of guy (strangers) over 30. me put it another way, i don’t find this rule of thumb to be any less useful than, say, “never date anyone at your workplace”, which i have heard many times over the years. but when i got to my early to mid forties, and was married with two kids, suddenly i was getting a lot more attention from the just college graduated clerks in my law firm.“they just want to show you off like you’re their barbie doll while making demands. i don’t generally rely on my “romantic” relationships for this, although i certainly enjoy my wife’s company and conversations.) i decided to count how many women were not skinny in the hour i was there:2 women, out of the dozens i saw in that hour, who were bigger (ie not skinny). henry-type short story about a man who writes a pua blog on the science of seduction.@lokland:“i’ve seen college kids who are in relationships shut down another person who was offering (flirting/sex/relationship) when that person was obviously higher in value than their current mate., kathy, did you come here just to demand explanations of me which you have no right to demand in the first place, or are you here to continue your vendetta against that certain christian blogger who repeatedly called you out on your silly claims and finally had had enough of you? i know quite a few, in fact, especially in the older generation! very few couples maintain that excitement for a long period of time… though some manage it for a lifetime.@jrd:me: when i was 18, i did not feel mature enough to be dating a man in his upper 20s or 30s.@ted d“you see, i and many men i know never went through that “bleach blonde” phase, so although i understand the stereotype you were shooting for, it is only because i’ve seen it in popular culture. it’s understandable that female intrasexual competition will intensify if younger women put the older guys in play., the “i also felt repelled as the tears streamed down his cheeks and fell from his cleft chin” woman feature is very useful in certain situations, like mine. while  you may not want to focus exclusively on older guys, i recommend that this be one strategy in your portfolio.@ted d“man, some days i think i might have sold myself short. “my mom is seven years older than my dad, so she didn’t have any negative reaction to my dating a younger guy,” she says. she can command virtually unlimited money and resources for personal trainers, nutrition consultants, makeup artists and cosmetic surgery. my error was that i didn’t understand doing so was damned hard for many/most people. it just seems that a large number of woman have behaved “unrestricted” at some point in their lives regardless of their actual nature, yet i know plenty of men that have never acted “unrestricted” either by choice or circumstances. that’s really all i’ve been saying charlotte should do but you’ve responded as if i were making some paleolithic demand. or should you end your relationship and explore a relationship with the woman at work? is a great example of a woman who is restricted/not promiscuous, and focused on studying rather than relationships in college. these conditions, a woman may be best off doing her aggressive filtering during the pre-date phase, making use of reliable social proofing indicators as much as possible, and then escalating quickly once the actual romance starts; traditional plans for an extended period of non-sexual exploratory dating/”boyfriend-shopping” and courtship are probably not realistic. wanted the wafer thin model types he was used to from manhattan.“jp – yeah but you are literally sticking it to the “man” when you sue the fed. never actually broke up with her; i just went to college.@intj, tedin susan’s defense, usually the claim in the manosphere is that the carouselers “settle” for the beta to whom they aren’t attracted, since they can’t snag the more wild types for commitment, but are always secretly hoping to trade up from him. many n’s can dance on the head of a pin?@susan“i said dtf – the woman who is down to f*ck now. loads of physical problems, like a vitamin d deficiency or seasonal affect disease as mentioned above, can manifest as depression., the manosphere does not have any mainstream outlets (things like maxim and fhm most definitely do not count). and may i say i am mightily disappointed in that pic of mark manson? with seniors, grad students, and working 20-somethings to swoon over, dating an older guy is an appealing option. so at 40, he is most likely to get interest from women 30 and older. “mark manson used deception to play erika awakening, which is totally not cool (though erika awakening does bear some responsibility for who she chose). when i was 18 and a man in his 30s hit on me, i couldn’t understand why that old man thought i would be interested in him. unless a woman was desperate and knew her smv was low, she would never take herself out of circulation for a guy she was not interested in.: my college gf, her heart definitely got broken even though by the terms of this system which you praise as fine and just neither of us did anything wrong. need to apologize, i have left many an internet question left unanswered.“i would never want a man to marry me because we’d been in an ltr together. i mean, how many range rovers can one woman drive? would any woman want to cover up great looking breasts?’m just getting a little tired of being painted to look like a woman hater of some sort. she’s barely out of college, and she graduated early! i don’t think women have any idea that many men in their 30s would like to settle down – as you say, all the media attention is on aging women not being able to find mates. did do a lot better in college, it’s true. i know quite a few women who are a bit older than their husbands, because they met as peers at grad school, work, etc.  the last older guy i dated with money was a lot richer than the first and someone i met from a sugar daddy site. however, castigating the manosphere by pointing out that there are men (in the manosphere) who feel that women should not be allowed to drive is a little like saying the democratic party is complete horseshit because there were plenty of liberals on popular blogs who would compare bush to hitler or, sometimes (and this was my favorite) a monkey. a girl’s pov: in my mind, older men do not “compete” with younger men. if a significant number of women around 20-25 are going for older men it stands to reason that many young men are keeping company with rosy palm and her five hairy friends (high school girls being off limits and all that). but the ports are still very strong, it’s still massively important transit and rail hub, and light manufacturing is doing ok across a range of products. i know our culture has tons of sex, but think both men and women long for a bit of romance, from time to time. most of the older guys are either players or looking for a wife, whereas a younger guy is probably more likely to share her timeline. when i was 18 and a man in his 30s hit on me, i couldn’t understand why that old man thought i would be interested in him. he views n in the context of how many offers a woman gets – it is a relative measure that reflects her attractiveness to men. the median age at marriage for a college educated woman is 30. for the age thing, you said yourself he probably thought you were older and in your conversations, whether you did it with intent or not, you probably communicated certain things that may indicate restricted, ltr-orientation, etc. i was rather in awe of the man in that picture, but somehow over the years i completely forgot about it, until just this week. and no relationship is ever going to last if the woman does not have this experience.@susan“would you want a woman to marry you because she’d been in an ltr with you, even though her attraction for you had begun to wane in recent months, and a handsome guy at work was tempting her with regular invitations?@jpactually, with morality being a human social concept that is quite fluid across cultures and societies, and tribal affiliation being a genetically-driven (your tribe usually shares more genes than theirs), biologically common (all sorts of other animals display it) trait, i’d say it works the other way around. its far too easy to find layman’s (heh) examples of this dynamic to think it’s only about the rich and famous.: “the manosphere is so toxic that my husband asked me specifically to stop reading it”i had to stop reading them because i was allowing it to affect how i viewed my husband. given how heavily oriented towards women those workplaces are, it tends to reinforce the worst female behaviors (cattiness, distorted body image, etc) just as finance reinforces many of the worst male ones (douchebaggery, cockiness, etc). the difference is, while you seem to concentrate on the “little things” that can be changed quickly to push things in the right direction, i’m more likely to say the whole thing is broke, should be scrapped, and started over. i needed to know that the man truly loved me and cared about me before he got to even first base.. he might be running from a bad relationship with a woman his age. 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’ve dived with whale sharks before in the gulf of thailand and the andaman sea.@sai:” it’s probably what i deserve for hanging around the manosphere too long, because i become very… dark… after too much “women are only fit to belong to men and carry their offspring and this is the only way civilization can happen and now it’s broken and once more they’ll be crawling to us” talk and then i want to eat myself to death again”uh, that’s because it’s a toxic cesspool that radiates hatred and despair into the universe.) yet is less fire-n-brimstone (and definitely much more erudite) than many –i’d say most– branches of christianity. or should you end your relationship and explore a relationship with the woman at work? the upshot is women leave college at their peak smv but men still have five more grueling years of proving themselves before they even approach theirs. earlier up thread someone, i forget who, spoke about a 19 year old who found it enjoyable to be a stay-at-home girlfriend to an older man. many of them, especially the ltr-oriented, are likely to interpret your initial interest as a positve sign for their own suit only to find you pull back later when you perceive them as getting “too serious.”i’m fully aware of what i’m sure many women see here as a major difference between an intentional trick played on a man by a woman and a natural progression of maturity.@madisonkc“i don’t understand the whole waiting until a man is financially stable before entering relationships.@loklandi said dtf – the woman who is down to f*ck now. but you have never felt this degree of longing before, for any woman.“seriously, while the manosphere can complain about the smp today in comparison to the monogamy of recent history, they should remember that for much of ancient history omegas and deltas would have much bigger problems than getting laid.”did something induce the mania, or had you had them before and just not know they were manic? your older guy’s prefrontal cortex has finally developed, he is more likely to have his priorities in check. in mind, it depends on the woman’s age – but the female preference for a man just 4 years older is real, and few women will go up 10 years without significant financial inducement. as zach said, three dates has become the functional norm by which sexual chemistry needs to be validated, hence this woman’s risk of being summarily dismissed by a young man with many other options available to him.” it was an honest admission that i did eventually want to marry, but it seemed to take the pressure off the skittish while chasing off the real cads. was an overly romantic/sentimental type, and he would tell me things that would make my skin crawl.’m a sci-fi fan and was by nature an optimist about humanity…slipping a bit nowadays.@zach:“obviously charles manson is an extreme example, but it’s absolutely true., on the blogs were the adage gets a lot of credence, there are older guys who think that they can continue to be attractive to very young women into their 60s as long as they work out. years older (the female preference), you might want to look at guys a bit older. either she isn’t confident in her body, or her body was naturally reacting in a frightened/reserved manner in front of zach. not all dbags and players are so obvious, many are quite charming and can have grown up conversations without groping your ass, so to say. instead of trying to force things, i think that he should find a woman that feels comfortable moving at his speed. henry-type short story about a man who writes a pua blog on the science of seduction. loved when hope spoke about preferring the longer distance, online dating experience because it gave her ample opportunity to understand a man before she would be too intimate with him. assuming no deal breakers show up and they can manage some of the more intrusive obstacles, the end goal is kids and marriage. in many cases, that precipitous drop-off has to do with a natural decrease in testosterone, the male sex hormone that allows you to sustain an erection, ejaculate and have an orgasm. “in society, we tend to think that if there’s a huge age difference, the man is just using her or that the girl is whipped,” notes wanis. i opened the door and this woman had the president of pike’s head pressed firmly into her cleavage.(i didn’t have this issue, i once spent 3 hours solving an incredibly complex inheritance problem from a couple years forward, while in a biology study group studying for an exam that evening. you troll here, at rollo’s and and at manboobz? it was the best way to break out of the limp college scene.”…fathers passed on nearly four times as many new mutations as mothers: on average, 55 versus 14. “when a woman can answer ‘yes’ to all those questions, then age is irrelevant providing [you’re both] of legal age to participate. don’t know if bringing up briffault’s law is verboten here or not, but in both cases, the woman is benefitting, just in different ways. a 50 year old man is more likely to be in the “well off” league, but well off doesn’t get you candice swanepoel. first year was much the same as yours, used and abused by pretty much every woman. man should be aware, though, that if he does use his economic leverage to get a wife, that she is secretly lusting after the gardener, or her gym instructor, not him. the manosphere might have started out with good gripes, but susan isn’t the “enemy #1” here. this woman is also really bitchy, so pardon if i seem biased against her, it’s because i am.@ escoffieri mean that the two terms are less than a milimeter apart yet one signifies that you are confederate plantation-owning civil war general and the other means you are chair of the department of peace and conflict studies at mills college. i live in one of nyc’s most fun areas in an adorable apartment that i pay for myself (i fully support myself) and most of my friends are a few years older from work, etc. i’m almost 26, and i have little interest in dating a 22 yo girl 6 months out of college. for example, 68% say that at this stage in life they want fun and freedom; 54% say they are not interested in getting married anytime soon; 64% agree “there are so many bad marriages today it makes one question the value of marriage;” and 41% agree that “you can’t trust women to tell the truth about their past relationships. most people i know plan on living in a city (not necessarily nyc) for work for at least a few years after college, and then moving back out there when they settle down a bit more. being said, as much as i am attracted to a woman with this personality type, i’m with zach on the sexual repression angle. so, because a woman “matures” into wanting a beta provider, it is no longer considered “bait and switch”. or should you end your relationship and explore a relationship with the woman at work?? smhconcerning the original topic… well, depending on the man i guess it wouldn’t hurt to try.@passer bybut those women who do like the older guys with authority seem to really really like them. a woman should be able to go on dates with a man and decide there is no match – not for sex or a relationship.) i have no intention of suffering the slow decline of a disease of affluence like so many in my family have. the fourth time, the point is this: there’s a lot of anger and bitterness and hostility in the manosphere. he will ostensibly still be better off than if he had settled for a less attractive woman when he was younger. at that point, she had said he was so nice and funny (he really was a cool guy) but i had no idea if she was interested in him romantically. if she isn’t gaining traction dating those men, it is also gets received by early-twenty girls (whom don’t have any problems receiving attention for older men) that they need not even concern themselves with men their age. for every guy over 30 who is lavishing in the rewards of their labour which may or may not include aiming his attentions at younger women, there are dozens of men who are reeling from divorce, struggling with a highly competitive and increasingly demanding mid-career, or are otherwise temporarily or perpetually lacking in status markers or physical attributes (the short, fat, bald crowd) that are more than enough to reduce his smv/mmv to the point where his age is just one more detriment; a far cry from the kid in the candy store or any kind of position from which he projects this blanket discount upon his female peers. have no quarrel with that demand, it is very reasonable. if your man is all caught up with the kardashians, you may still experience some difficulty connecting with him. and i feel pretty confident that many of the other male regulars are coming from the same angle. 😉i really don’t want to enumerate what’s wrong with the older holly, adding insult to already grievous injury, but since you brought up her becoming heavier with age. his “maturity” is not a plus unless it affords the woman something she can’t get from a guy her own age or a bit older. it can be more challenging to meet older guys, who are unlikely to hang out in the same venues frequented by the post-college crowd.”indeed, it goes both ways: a man must bring more to the table as he ages, just as a woman needs to. she’s been riding the alpha cock carousel, has racked up a high number of sexual partners, but now is going to find some sap who will pay her bills and not ask too many questions, and marry him pronto. i say this as a short, ugly, middle-aged, miserly and socially awkward individual who no woman of even average attractiveness has ever thought of as anything other than absolutely cringe-worthy, not some adonis wannabe who doesn’t understand how the other half lives on the other side of the smv tracks. i had a friend from new york who, as with so many native new yorkers who leave, always made it out to be the world’s greatest place, even though he left to live elsewhere. and quite possiblely for many years, too, just like my grandmother., she’s just aiding the youth alliance in the coming massive intragender conflict over an older, more power, more sophisticated future cooper (due to the lack of adequate supply of future coopers) , which will pit the aging 28-33 year old women against the younger, more aggressive, 23-27 year old women. for the girls here saying they’d never date older guys because of this and that. can clarify what she meant by the perelman comment, if she meant him physically or what is known about his personality. it makes sense – the whole idea of pair-bonding is coparenting, and an older dad just can’t offer the same level of energy. ”yeah, but there was a comment thread (or two) a while back here where one or more the indian broads were joking about that, iirc. ”and i would never want to be in an ltr where the woman was not already in if not well on her way to in love with me. dh and i once had an argument during which he picked up our older son. in both scenario, either i or another person, couldn’t come up with anything more than ‘keep your chin up’ or things that sounds awfully close to “man up” when on the receiving end.”this is kind of my argument against older parents (meaning 30+ when they start having kids). 3: spend all weekend with girlfriendin hindsight, it’s kind of clear why college was a completely meaningless experience for me.:the truth is, most women really don’t want to go more than 10 years older at the outside. unfortunately, i’ve seen many parents take great pride in having a ladykiller son. after two months, the woman at work asks to get off the project. but susan, you of all people should know that i suck at delivery, and in this case it was far easier to find a woman that was comfortable with my inner sickly-sweet emo than to figure out how to change it. obviously young 30’s, but older 20’s would be ok, and you should (if you haven’t already) seriously consider high 30’s early 40’s. your wife was not your first gf – did you “consume” your first gf and take advantage of her, lowering her value because you were with her during college?

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@zachi thought of you when writing this post, knowing full well that you’ve got women after you now who would do better to go older, and you’ll also have women after you in 10 years when you’re ready to settle down. when i actually managed to get her to take a piece of clothing off , after we were done making out (which is all it was), she used her arms to cover herself up as we were watching tv. that’s the bitter part for me, because had i known, not only would i have had more success with women in general (if i wanted it regardless) but i’d have been a much happier young man since i could have just been myself. not only that, if a woman enjoys regular sex, chances are that when she is over forty her husband may have less of a libido or ed issues., i look at my neices in various stages of college. recently to a woman describe relationship woes with a man ten years older than she is, i noticed her friends were quick to say, “that’s why he’s 32 and single. if he is tired of the usual carousel (and he wants something more than the typical women he has been with), will he realize he needs to recalibrate and change his dating strategy to work with this new type of woman? two different animals entirely”i realize that this may be the case for most college kids you know, but very few of the small number of kids around me that manage to actually go to college leave home to do so.. zach and the woman he is seeing; jackie’s comments at 1419 made me think–brilliant observation. but the problem for the woman you know is that the guy wasn’t genuinely in love with her.• tags: dating advice, dating an older man, david buss, mate preferences, relationship advice, sex differences, the frisky. all the females who commented on not being able to be attracted to an older man when you were say, 18-22 (i believe pvw, madison and a few others said this):a friend of mine, when she was 19, had a stint where she not going to college…she sorta took a year off.@madisonkci don’t understand the whole waiting until a man is financially stable before entering relationships. i’m currently in college, living with my parents and in my free time i go to football games and study (and watch got of course :))., sick, sick (whatever it is)haha, sounds like something a victorian hack would do right after treating a woman’s “hysteria” with a vibrator. she took a huge risk falling for him before he actually left the other woman. ”perhaps, but this was in response to you commenting on how many girls mature from liking “bad boys” to responsible, just like men mature from wanting to bang the dumb bleached blond bimbo to something else.“a college degree and a solid corporate gig used to be more than enough. i think so many guys just totally give up on themselves physically around age 30-35; one of the major social benefits of widespread “game” exposure may be that some guys get a motivational kick to get in shape, learn how to dress in flattering and age-appropriate ways, etc. i said in the post, the women i know in their 20s are not typically interested in men even 10 years older. however, the woman’s “bride price” goes down if she’s not a virgin when she does marry. older the guys you are looking at, the more the chance than #1 will happen.: “i haven’t spoken to a single young man in the last four years who wants to marry before his late 20s at the earliest. truth is, that isn’t very fair on whatever poor woman is with me at the moment, which is why i’m working on it. i’m curious because i personally don’t know many (or any) guys that are overly emotional like you’ve described- it would seem intuitive that most men would be overly guarded about their emotions (and yes, i may be biased because that is how i am). ”i thought a point of life was to avoid romantic trauma, meaning that you marry the person you fall in love with. i’d imagine that having access and interactions with so many folks might make it hard to tell the “good” from the “bad” on certain levels, which then requires you to spend more time with them to figure it out.>> “one of my upcoming posts is about the book the technique of the love affair, written in 1928 by a gentlewoman.” it’s probably what i deserve for hanging around the manosphere too long, because i become very… dark… after too much “women are only fit to belong to men and carry their offspring and this is the only way civilization can happen and now it’s broken and once more they’ll be crawling to us” talk and then i want to eat myself to death again. if a man is looking specifically to raise children, especially in this hellacious legal client insofar as men are concerned, he’s going to have to quite rigorously suss out his so’s history, compatibility, and character, and if you’re starting with a woman that is already 25, by the time they’re ready to have that kid they’re already cutting it awfully close to the fertility decline. i mean just because a man courts you several times doesn’t mean you “owe” him anything. i agree that many woman are of higher value at 33 than at 25 – they are more mature, more stable, have experience and everything. it’s pretty rare, in my opinion, for a man to age into a “silver fox”. she’s throwing gasoline on that fire by breaking bad on a guy like ron perelman because he’s unattractive. a mid 30s woman approaching a successful mid 30s man is essentially asking to reap the benefits of stock she did not invest in when it was low. the man went out to two marriages and a couple of kids out of wedlock. that’s really all i’ve been saying charlotte should do but you’ve responded as if i were making some paleolithic demand.. there's probably a reason no woman his age wants to date him.@j:“in america, prior to about 1950, it was possible to sue and/or jail a man for “breech of promise” in the circumstances described in the article you linked. i don’t see that working out around here where plenty of single woman have access to those services for little to no money. i’m 22 and it does occasionally happen that i meet a man in his 40s i find attractive.”a young guy, in fact no man, can ever win against “better. perhaps that’s why so much of this went right over my head, i wasn’t just “tricked” by the romance myth, i think i’m wired to actually like most of it as well…. not many men want to get married at 40, with only 5. there’s a lot of knowing smiles/laughter among men my age when they see a young woman with an old man. there is another way, though: you could always try dating guys who are a bit older and out of school. know that we men tend to impose a kind of morality tale on this where the high n woman finds herself w/ nothing but cats, romance novels, and bob (“battery-operated boyfriend”), but i think that a fair number in nyc manage to get away with it. most single guys that age, while more financially stable than guys in their 20s and 30s, aren’t wealthy enough to pull off such a feat. he wanted the wafer thin model types he was used to from manhattan.’s possible be generous and loving to a man without being submissive. if a modern ltr can end “for any reason”, then a woman gaining 10 pounds counts. you don’t even allow the small talk with the woman at work. i was in college in the 70s, here is what was perfectly normal and appropriate:weekend 1:on friday night i am going to the pike luau with mark j. she’s just glad to see her grand daughter in love (i love that old woman. diversion tactics highly manipulative narcissists, sociopaths and psychopaths use to silence you. tom selleck, liam neeson, a few others, but not many. they often get played freshman year once, get even more cautious, and promptly become invisible to the frats for the remainder of their college years.: i dont think of you as a thin, sexy woman. they tend to wear their letters around, have many all-greek social events, etc. is protecting herself emotionally, which is an important survival skill for a woman in nyc! chances are, if you were a freshwoman dating a junior or senior, you are probably more into the ‘touch of grey’ than you think. needs to be a manual that expressly notes that hooking up does not automatically mean that you are now bf/gf., so you did extremely well in junior high, were the 4th cutest girl in hs (though, no takers), did not have one average, or below average, looking girlfriend in college…is it possible that you account of what was typical for a girl in the late 70’s was not as common as you think it is/was?”i’ve seen college kids who are in relationships shut down another person who was offering (flirting/sex/relationship) when that person was obviously higher in value than their current mate. most in the manosphere would not say that they want submissive women. husband (like hope’s) told me stop reading a certain manosphere blog because of the nasty and vile things said there. sexual desire increases, and a woman who is not attracted to her partner will fantasize about extra-pair sex. most people i know plan on living in a city (not necessarily nyc) for work for at least a few years after college, and then moving back out there when they settle down a bit more. the average 50 year old just doesn’t have what it takes to keep that attraction, no matter how many times a week he lifts weights, lol. you’re starting with a woman that is already 25, by the time they’re ready to have that kid they’re already cutting it awfully close to the fertility decline. is obviously gonna depend on the guy in question but theres a sweet spot that can maximize a woman’s comfort zone whilst maximizing her number of prospective mates. younger woman, older man thing will always raise brows from both sexes due to jealousy. i’ll take at face value what you all say that you are not at all attracted to men 15 to 20 years older (although part of me wonders if this is one of those cases where we should watch they do rather than listen to what they say). that is, what are you offering that a man would want, not the romcom version of it.@lokland:“i’ve seen enough college kids shut that down the person flirting with them to know that is an absolute load of shit. like these are also a big part of why there is anger and hostility in the ‘sphere; and why many men don’t see susan and this blog as allies. i’m 22 and i have seen guys who are 10+ years older that i thought were attract but never would get involved with them with out an incentive (established in his career, good finances, maturity ect).” as crazy as keeping your relationship a secret from your family may sound, many people disapprove of dating an older guy. many people disagree, but i actually do think that having a child bonds a couple together even more firmly. i’ve never experienced a man waiting more than that to call me/text me. study published in nature finds that the age at which a father sires children determines how many mutations those offspring inherit. again, everyone is different, but being with an older guy is a great way to up your chances of being on the same page.)iow, if a man wants to marry and have a family with the hottest woman possible, he should act when he perceives that his mmv is highest, which may mean partnering with a woman who is 30 or more. privately, one-on-one, with the man i love, i’m a huge flirt. 26, 2012 1,475 comments women in college perceive a dearth of relationship-minded men, so those who want to fall in love and have a serious relationship often look to graduation as the time when things will improve as traditional dating reappears. and hey, let’s toss in some man shaming based on his age and the fact that he still thinks much younger women are hot and it will be a perfect double score!

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’s a common occurrence for me to meet a man that i am attracted to who obliterates that attraction with the things that he says.. let’s face it, dating in college and especially high school is pretty much darwinian and drives entirely towards the superficial. a guy like ron perelman, whom i would regard as average looking for his age, will always have options that a less wealthy man will not.) yet is less fire-n-brimstone (and definitely much more erudite) than many –i’d say most– branches of christianity. should be a link to manage your subscriptions – go there and uncheck. why as a prudish woman who actually wants a sexual relationship a woman must find ways to segregate herself from the other two categories without moving into the slut category.: but not if a woman like that is hanging out with an alpha crowd of guys like zach and his pals!’ve seen enough college kids shut that down the person flirting with them to know that is an absolute load of shit. immediately after the performance my tendency is to find a way to disappear back into the shadows again as quickly as possible. the only reason ron perelman was able to pull ellen barkin (even when she was 46 and well past her prime) was because of his money. id much rather date a guy 24-28 (upper limit 30) who is working on getting himself established than find and old(er) man that is already there. unfortunately, i am not sure how many women he has being able to trust in his life. i got banned last year from telling the truth about islam on manboobz and then this year on the same site for telling the truth about christianity and judaism. however, you aren’t entitled to either one, no woman owes you either one. my bff met her husband in medical school – and she is 7 years older than he is. while it is true that i tend to address my posts to women in college and just after, i actually have a lot of female readers in the 25-35 bracket. they just have not found the right woman yet and will keep trying until they do. the idea of waking up next to ron perelman (i can’t even bear to think about going to sleep with him) is enough to make me want to run away to the other side of the country and wait tables. – “well, reading about you being perceived as emotionless in most settings but being quite romantic at heart hits home to me. i don’t ever want them to look at a woman they love and care about and think less of her because of these types of past incidents. while it’s important to have serious conversations with your boyfriend, keep in mind that it may be more difficult to connect with a younger guy.””i think you are knocking down a straw man here.“i’ve dated a couple of older men with money and both experiences were different. i have several good guy friends from school but “out of touch, out of mind” as they continue to party while i am already settled into my job. and for the dumb, hot young woman who is, i suggest that she take her below average iq and work for a living. i mean, how many range rovers can one woman drive? but calling such men fat and ugly, and how his wives wouldn’t put out for him and that’s why he keeps getting divorced, probably isn’t going to help attract many women to men like this. it goes without saying that you’ll need to be a quality woman worthy of commitment. it goes strictly against deti’s lectures last week – perhaps you didn’t agree with him about a woman following her husband and putting his career first? i’ve visited one or two of the most popular man-blogs and i quickly left after seeing a bunch of guys who claimed to be in their 80’s brag about moving to the phillipines, mexico, and the rural areas of china for ”real women. she referred to — and recoiled from — perelman’s physical attributes, not his character defects. and no relationship is ever going to last if the woman does not have this experience. however, i feel luckier than ever to be with my man.. the fact that 10 years later guys are still using this wingman setup is incredibly pathetic. would never want a man to marry me because we’d been in an ltr together. however, i do agree the scrutiny on men is ridiculous since it is women that are delaying marriage and thus, many men remained unmarried. if the man fails, he is communicating to the woman that since he cannot even stand up to her, it is probably the case he will not be up to the task of protecting her and her children., mere variation of custom does not prove nor even strongly suggest that all morality is human convention. being the older, wiser man is a power trip for him. it felt wierd and scary, as though a man who was so much older was deliberately targeting me because he might have felt i was young and naive (vulnerable, but not in a good way) and not mature enough to negotiate a relationship with a man so much older and experiencedi had the same association – when the male writer suggested that we need rules and norms so that fathers don’t hit on their daughters’ friends. of all the old timers, there is one that still seems to be interested in chasing women at 71 (he tried to pick me up some time ago, rather hilarious–the man’s children must be my age, a bit older or even a bit younger.-stringent requirement as to not be more than a few years older than the woman… then you pretty much just have a caste mating system because you simply cannot have youth, appearance, and resources in the same man unless it is inherited, and this is speaking as someone that jumped from a working class family to umc well before he was 30. here, mark manson used deception to play erika awakening, which is totally not cool (though erika awakening does bear some responsibility for who she chose). fact, it is somewhat ironic that as much as girls drive pop culture and as much as they desire taller men (say, 6′ 4″ to put a number on it) you do not see that many 6’4″ leading men. for me, one of the hardest aspects of male relationship management is learning how to manufacture the appropriate timing.”restrictedness in many areas is coupled with moral anger against unrestricted types. imagine a woman at the higher range of that age, say 40-50, the only women i read about who go that age are those who marry men with lots of money, and the cynical view is that if he will become frail within a relatively short period of time, they are ready to scoop up the dollars. i used the word boor to describe him as a “rude, ill-mannered person. the attractive older guys tend to compete well when it comes to the gorgeous ones because they have more money and status.“the truth is that without these mores, many men would have sex with females who are not yet adults.“for every year older a man is past a certain age (his physical peak of 28? he was always complaining that the women in west la were too heavy (as compared with the model thin women in manhattan, i guess). you don’t see too many tropes of marrying the middle-class guy and living “frugally ever after” ha ha!@t-paine“or perhaps its just that he has spent several years plowing through the “hotter, younger, tighter” women, so he won’t miss out on anything when he prioritizes the older women now. but calling such men fat and ugly, and how his wives wouldn’t put out for him and that’s why he keeps getting divorced, probably isn’t going to help attract many women to men like this. like a commentor (i think it was marie) said upthread older men do not compete with younger men, they are in two different categories. i’ve randomly picked up a guitar or sat down at a random piano and just started playing so many times in mixed/unknown company that i truly couldn’t count if i wanted to..@ detiron perelaman is gross and there’s nothing wrong about stating that. think for college educated males it’s somewhere between 30 and 32. that women’s preferences shift more towards dads than cads as they get older (and incidently less attractive)? henry-type short story about a man who writes a pua blog on the science of seduction., i don’t like it when a man tells me that he misses me either. sure, a couple of them are slackers, but the vast majority of them are just about to finish school and many of them are quite intelligent and will do very well career-wise. susan said earlier, she just wasted an afternoon on semantics.. lots of good paying jobs with cheaper rents in nice, safe towns), or would you continue to try to make it happen in manhattan? no one comes out right of the gate and just effortlessly picks up a skill and becomes talented in a matter of weeks or months – and fwiw, even with my tested ~145 iq i wasn’t able to take many shortcuts. is more risk for the older woman beyond 30 to show any waffling. she’s been riding the alpha cock carousel, has racked up a high number of sexual partners, but now is going to find some sap who will pay her bills and not ask too many questions, and marry him pronto. keep in mind this is my uncle’s second wife, and she’s just a few years older than his daughter from his first marriage. men demand it all the time, why shouldn’t women?“i can’t imagine demanding a life experience with no heartbreak. what the manospherians here would say about a woman who did that!, if you went through four years of college and pretty much no guy seemed good enough for you, and the guys you know all pretty much got the message that they were not good enough for you, i’m guessing there’s your problem right there. he’ll sit in the swing for a while…william doesn’t really cry unless he is hungry, not even a dirty diaper bother him but he needs to be on top of someone all the time to be this calm and he doesn’t like his cot. my first boss in my first “real” job was about 10 years older than me. i find it ironic, if this incident is true, that mark manson likes to talk about “authenticity” a lot. women want young dads just a bit older than they are.””(dawn’s desires at thirty should not be thought of as “settling”…the author makes her sexual desire for her older & more stable new love interest just about as clear as one could get away with in 1911 in a mainstream novel)the beneficial aspects of raising the “marriageable age” for women don’t seem to have transpired as projected, though…. in fact, regional differences could explain megaman’s observations about the smp there. while i recognize his pain, i also recognize that similar comments irl will get you committed. i think many men like you have little interest in very young women.@j:“that may be pretty descriptive of the greek scene, but outside that scene i don’t think most girls date two guys and have have some romantic contact with two others in three weeks. don’t understand the whole waiting until a man is financially stable before entering relationships.  the downsides to dating an older guy there are some tradeoffs in dating a guy quite a bit older than yourself: i. i’m also pointing out that a sizable number of the men in the 80%, the betas, deltas and gammas, and the betas susan says she wants women to meet, date and marry, are going to resemble perelman physically (short, fat and physically unattractive) even if they don’t resemble his personality. that’s the manosphere myth – the notion that a woman is likely to cuckold or cheat with some more alpha male during ovulation.Dating Older Men: The Perks and the Challenges | StyleCaster

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every divorced man out there has an ex wife who has said things like this about him.”how many days did you get up to before you had the hallucinations? the same messege that tells a woman to look past 3. not permanently, just to try it on to see what it feels like? same thing with so many of the “alphas” who are touted by men here. now obviously those are only sometimes true, but it’s a brush many guys paint with. and so the knight of la mancha tilting at windmills ”but yeah, the heritage thing is a nice touch. now can i sit in this woman’s presence and feel nothing. primary reason that women tend to date older, i feel, is that for a man to achieve mastery in a given skill or profession it takes 10,000 hours/5 years, as it has been said.)anyway, to your point… i don’t believe she ever had any intention of being a “kept woman”. might say something like “i’m tired of seeing only female judges, das, law officers and special agents on tv while the men are all klowns, klones and sidekicks. i’m a firm believe in “anything goes within a committed relationship” and a woman that conservative about her sexuality would be very difficult to make comfortable enough to do some of the stuff i’m interested in these days. and the “something else to the table” has never been more difficult for a man to establish and maintain. too many men will look at these comments and say “see?“well, you’ve managed to royally piss off the mras, puas, internet feminazis, and reddit mangina dorks. well, the nice guy that she was dating, who was older, simply said that she could stay with him and not work if her job was getting to her. yet, despite the fact that the ancient hebrews succeeded in a scenario that most guys can only fantasize about while playing wow, there is so much anti-semitism in the ‘sphere.@ramblethe latter, and i’m afraid many men indulge this fantasy. a 36-year-old will pass on twice as many mutations to his child as a man of 20, and a 70-year-old eight times as many, stefánsson’s team estimates.. that’s also why i mentioned early in the post that commitment-avoidant guys often become less so after graduating from college, because they get knocked back to low man on the totem pole.“morality being a human social concept that is quite fluid across cultures and societies”not really. every divorced man out there has an ex wife who has said things like this about him. i’ve advised them to set their preference as older, don’t check the box for guys under 25. don’t see the reason to wait for a guy to become a better catch if he is generally a good guy, has graduated college and is willing to have a relationship now. your boyfriend is the real life 40-year-old virgin, or you went a little too crazy freshman year, there’s a good chance an older squeeze has more sexual experience than you. otoh, i do not believe that the answer is what deti suggested – women going to college already married, or foregoing education and career pursuits altogether. they’re experienced sexually, know how to please a woman, and they’re more culturally refined.”in general, unlike dating, you forgive the person the sin of being human and having needs. she has even managed to do a moderate amount of good..jackie nails it when she says of you:“yet, so many of your posts are crabbing about how bad things are. i like whispering in a man’s ear, gently placing my hand on his thigh, tracing a man’s palm with my fingertips, speaking in a smoky seductive tone, and many other things”crap, now i have to rush home quicky and have my wife take care of this raging hard on you just me. i meant that as a friend i don’t know what to do to help a guy, whereas with a woman, i know what i can do: listen. they want to earn that show of emotion, and too many words aren’t all that helpful. then, here is my question for you americans: isn’t just befriending someone from the opposite sex (that is, making a friend band which goes together to social events, everyone pays for each other, no romance implied) considered weird in usa nowadays? almost certainly over-diagnosed at this point (you”” had mania plus hallucinations, so this is not directed at you).: “i think for college educated males it’s somewhere between 30 and 32., that post i wrote about that shit test has gone viral on reddit half a dozen times, been featured prominently on pua forums all over the place, and generally made me the least popular woman that nobody ever heard of in america. someone older will probably mean you get to get away from the same old bars that your classmates frequent – you get to experience so much more this way. i found one in college i would see once a week. the 52 year old who wants a woman in her 20s should get out there and see what he’s got., this is what a relationship-oriented man could think about her — even in the face of a really smooth and good looking guy who has bedded lots of hot women, she doesn’t give up her requirement for emotional connection before being able to have sex.…many men, i think, wake up one day and realize they didn’t really choose to be a bachelor, and that it might be too late to have a family.@olive but if you find yourself in a situation of dating regularly and you meet a really great guy (there’s no shame in okcupid by the way, i had a profile for awhile), there’s no reason to break it off at a certain point because you haven’t “dated around” enough. when women are doing the hunting, they can do the choosing – till then, it’s a man’s prerogative…men display and women select, so your results must determine your strategy. just seems that a large number of woman have behaved “unrestricted” at some point in their lives regardless of their actual nature, yet i know plenty of men that have never acted “unrestricted” either by choice or circumstances. i want/need some way to release that, and traditionally i used my romantic relationships to do so. loved when hope spoke about preferring the longer distance, online dating experience because it gave her ample opportunity to understand a man before she would be too intimate with him.’ve seen college kids who are in relationships shut down another person who was offering (flirting/sex/relationship) when that person was obviously higher in value than their current mate.” it’s supposed to go back to the man if the engagement is broken. if i was friends with charles manson, and a girl who he was hitting on asked me what he was like, i’d tell her he was a fantastic, balanced, sane guy.. david buss’ study of sex differences in human mate preferences found that preferences around age were quite consistent for women:ideal age difference for women: male 3. do agree though that a woman who wants to marry shouldn’t spend a lot of time with men who don’t. are plenty of late 20’s, early 30’s guys i find attractive, but i wouldn’t feel confident in dating somebody who was much older. “younger guys will be more infatuated by you and more likely to put you on a pedestal than older guys,” notes wanis. he understands me better than any human can, and i fully believe that because he understands me, he will accept me as well. another post, i think it was ramble who noted how women’s tastes tend to change as they get older, so a type of man who might not have interested her at 20 looks pretty good at 30. otherwise, you’re living a lie and robbing me of a real opportunity to marry someone who loves me the way you now love the other woman. one over-30 commenter was preoccupied with “young hot girls”, and another one displayed what you reported – that it’s not hypocritical for a man to sleep around yet expect women to be virginal. guess i would change my mind over time (probably around 25) but i still couldn’t picture myself with a much older guy. it’s what i did all through college and i have no regrets. many days did you get up to before you had the hallucinations? people could make snarky anonymous comments on-line, but the feminine imperitive in our country would never allow it to be publicly stated, while susan’s reaction to perelman is completely accepted in the mainstream. but while you may love trotting around with your youthful boy toy, not everyone may embrace this trendy reputation. i don’t see that happening much in my college.@j“i will occasionally slip in a manosphere trope like, “would you like me better if i were more submissive?” imagine that you are dating a woman and have been for two years. if a guy is way older (say 40) he has to be well off financially or have some other game-changer for me to even consider him, if at all. participants also indicated that they want a woman who is able to take care of herself, which is somewhat of a reversal from the macho old world attitudes of just a generation or two ago. i like whispering in a man’s ear, gently placing my hand on his thigh, tracing a man’s palm with my fingertips, speaking in a smoky seductive tone, and many other things. he ages, like a fine wine, his awesomeness will increase somehow, as if by magic and he will be the target of a massive unplanned intragirl war, out of which he will emerge the victor and the older cohort of girls will lose, finding themselves relegated to men under the age of 25 in despair. they’re fun when you’re young and need to take care of college and are working on your career but that’s about it. i just think it must have been hard to go from gabriel byrne to perelman. there is that i’m looking for a woman interested in marriage…. henry-type short story about a man who writes a pua blog on the science of seduction.“and yet, despite the fact that the ancient hebrews succeeded in a scenario that most guys can only fantasize about while playing wow, there is so much anti-semitism in the ‘sphere. suffice it to say that all the fire and brimstone i spout here about promiscuous woman has been sprayed against men in other venues. i was in college in the 70s, here is what was perfectly normal and appropriate….. online dating offers a traditional dating model, though its success among women in their early 20s is mixed, as many are reluctant to go with the “blind date” approach so quickly. a while back he decided he wanted a gf, so he set about getting one. are far too many people in this world looking for ltrs, for anyone the proclaims to being doing so to waste their time with someone would isn’t quick to comply. the older one has been with the same guy (really really nice guy, by the way) for a few years. “while fumbling around is cute with your first boyfriend, that’s the last thing i want now,” she says. older men who only date women for their looks are always weird. he wasn’t perfect (see john snow) but he was a man of honor and character, a benevolent alpha.@ramble“however, i did ask you a question a few threads back that you never answered, so, i will ask it again:oh man, ramble, if you are going to talk about how much you long for women to get dumped if they gain 5 lbs…. you need a venue with men who’ll be receptive–a conservative church mixer, an orthodox jewish matchmaker, a group of indian parents looking for a suitable woman for an available young man. 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i grew up in la, went to college in missouri, moved back to la, went to grad school in the east. fact i think i’ll pull an all-nighter and watch season 1 of game of thrones tonight while coding my research. “the female brain fully develops earlier and sooner than the male brain,” says patrick wanis, a human behavior expert and author of get the man you want. opposed to most college students who meet their sos doing frat/sorority stuff, in class or at the local bar, you’ll have an interesting meet cute. you don’t even allow the small talk with the woman at work. i have seen her compliment the avatar pix of many men who were, frankly, average..that may be pretty descriptive of the greek scene, but outside that scene i don’t think most girls date two guys and have have some romantic contact with two others in three weeks.’s a set of men in my office in their 40s that look after themselves, and while no one would confuse them for a fresh college grad they’re not even close to paunchy, and in fact can still run rings around the mid 20s guys.” please, please, please, all you lurkers out there, never devalve a woman. i’m talking about any woman that has behaved in a slutty manner at all, regardless of their actual inclinations. the tables may turn at 30 in terms of male/female smv trajectory *potential*, but a man still has to run the table to reap the benefit. (granted, her older sister was kinda slutty, so, you can’t win them all.@susan“that’s the manosphere myth – the notion that a woman is likely to cuckold or cheat with some more alpha male during ovulation.@j“that may be pretty descriptive of the greek scene, but outside that scene i don’t think most girls date two guys and have have some romantic contact with two others in three weeks. there’s a certain kind of intellectual intuition that makes many math and abstract concepts essentially transparent. there’s nothing wrong with dating someone older or younger (as long as you’re both the age of consent), but this situation has its own set of consequences to consider. meanwhile, i just kind of would “happen upon” books that seemed very helpful to my situation. – “also, don’t worry, i’ve now accepted the fact that i’m really a transsexual lesbian, so don’t take my perspective as though it came from a man. i’m also pointing out that this attitude, which susan has given voice to, is one of the primary reasons the manosphere exists. there are loads of rationalizations that essentially say that if a woman is taken in by a player she deserves it. granted, a month later he turned 25, but he was wiser, more eloquent and more mature in the spiritual/emotional sense than even many men who have years on him. real nice guys have heard it in so many of their rejections that the word becomes kyrtonyte. last week he was with a late 30’s hot japanese woman. dated older men, well always- i did they’re not different from their younger counterparts. when women are doing the hunting, they can do the choosing – till then, it’s a man’s prerogative…of course, she doesn’t have to come back to my place – that is her choice, but mine is who i’ll put in the time and effort on… and as long as i’m getting enough response in that age bracket, why would i change? with the best i could possible have to offer, what 25yo girl isn't going to be able to find a 25-35yo man that can top it?’m not sure, but off the top of my head i would assume that means you can go younger, while you might not do as well with women your own age, especially if they look older than you do. missing me while he is supposed to be managing a portfolio sounds like bad news for investors. am not talking about a couple that feels like they need to lose weight after the holidays and decide to join a gym together, but where a man “demands” that she not gross him out. now, i knew the song, he had performed it for me many times, and also written it out. i tried the whole ‘sugar dating’ thing when i heard about different sugar daddy dating websites in college but those guys were always gross and basically just wanted a prostitute. other than that one time as a child, i never heard this rule of thumb ever communicated outside or hus/manosphere.”and like i already said, most individual women choose not to marry and have children with much older men. the age of the man isn’t necessarily mutually exclusive with the child being provided for, whether it’s through energy (younger dad) or resources (older dad). i dated an older guy one time, about 15 years older, and he really tried to impress me like he had his shit together. whichever way the woman chooses might lie to the individual woman. there must be a reason why reasonably fit college professors were getting laid like tile by their students before they finally had to prohibit it to appease the feminists. women are attracted to mastery, but for men, a woman being a master at something is either neutral or a mild plus that won’t override more primal smv factors. despite her amusement with the man’s qiana (tm) shirt–looked like silk , but was actually polyester!. finally, while you may find a bit of gray in the sideburns sexy, keep in mind that a man’s age will affect his parenting style. been in a top end wow guild for awhile (as in, top 50 in the us for progression) the amount of social maneuvering involved for the best loot and raid spots puts most corporations to shame. in emotional terms you want to snag the guy before he gets older, pickier, more independent, acquires more baggage, and becomes more bitter. even people with worst diseases manage to work around them. and so the knight of la mancha tilting at windmills with his portly squire astride a donkey is one of the most enduring images in the popular imagination but the simple comedy of the affair belies the fantastically complex, beguiling and sophisticated story on which it is based. you have claimed to be a restricted woman, but you have had your share of short term flings, alpha boyfriends, and at least one flyby from an air force pilot, right? while that may work sometimes, the girl has to generate sexual chemistry in some other way. dh and i once had an argument during which he picked up our older son.’re missing the fact that you can see potential in a person and fall for them hard, and happily enter an ltr with them, all the while knowing that you will most likely not marry. but a good family background is an attraction cue to me the same way lustrous hair or a good hip/waist ratio is to a man. is why i would never recommend that a man search for a woman who is physically out of his league. i’m not going to discount how important they are to men, and my husband is a man.), while females primarily use less violent methods such as overdosing on medications. out of college i was working in nyc and commuting about 70 minutes each way each workday.@jrd, yes, in manosphere terms i’m “past my prime”if you were interested in being a bar skank, than you might be past your prime, but if you are interested in being a great mother, you are probably riding the wave right now.“marry a man 10 years older and you could be in for a 20+ year widowhood. i’m a firm believe in “anything goes within a committed relationship” and a woman that conservative about her sexuality would be very difficult to make comfortable enough to do some of the stuff i’m interested in these days. we tend to hold hands while driving long distances, touch each other on the arm, back, shoulder, etc in normal social settings often, and i make it a point to whack her ass on my way past from time to time at home) she definately likes the sex to be more aggressive, in some cases very much so. matter what he’s telling himself on his setting page, a 30 year-old man spends as much time messaging 18 and 19 year-olds as he does women his own age. you see, on many ways we are working towards the same goal., an older man and a younger woman is a much better formula for marital success., while women do appreciate increased masculinity during ovulation, most reject hypermasculine males at all times, including ovulation. to wit, ron perelman with ellen barkin:The genetics thing is rather interesting, hmm. hell, one keeps up with college kids reffing basketball games and barely breaks a sweat. let me rephrase that: it probably shouldn't last, because as you get older, you'll change (which is normal and great so don't fight it! i do say i miss you when she’s actually gone for a while. perelman is alpha by that definition and he is beyond gross!. i am not running anyone except ron perelman down, whom i consider to be a bad man. if a 24 yo man pairs up with a 19 yo woman, it’s all good to me, but an 80 yo man with a 47 yo woman? i studied abroad with a program called school for international training when i was in college.@charlotte:the most important thing to remember is that cooper is not an “older guy” within the context of this post. woman voting has nothing to do with promiscuity that i can see. college kids at least have ltrs, and they mostly have sex much later than lower ses kids, many of whom have nothing but strs, producing children! remember when i was of college age and i listened to other young women talk about the sororities they were interested in and the fraternities associated with them, ie. even though they are cast as the “rational, thinking” type in so many spheres.” you know how it goes: the more manic you are, the more you don’t need to sleep, and the more manic you become. an older man *may* have the ability to attract younger women, but this is because he has elevated himself above the majority of other men, younger and older – largely in spite of his age not merely because of it, and he must continue to work at it. i consider myself to be well-educated (my college degree is actually in finance), and i have many hobbies that have nothing at all to do with shopping or getting my nails done. man should be aware, though, that if he does use his economic leverage to get a wife, that she is secretly lusting after the gardener, or her gym instructor, not him. if she isn’t gaining traction dating those men, it is also gets received by early-twenty girls (whom don’t have any problems receiving attention for older men) that they need not even concern themselves with men their age. – “missing me while he is supposed to be managing a portfolio sounds like bad news for investors. that is why men are bitter and angry, then yes, they need to man up. did better as i aged – older guys valued my looks more than younger guys did. i think there’s a “gamer stereotype” that gets passed around among people who don’t know very many gamers personally.+1post-college i know a lot of women who fall into this category, and as a non-carousel rider i went through this as well.@rollowe seem to be on the same page wrt the mature man.”i kissed two different people during my five years in college, both of which resulted in severe emotional messes. 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he was not handsome as a young man, nor was holly pretty as a young woman. i think it’s fair to say that any woman who marries you in future is a fool. if even restricted woman “dip their toes” into the unrestricted pool on occasion, then the terms are practically useless other than to predict someone’s general disposition. that women’s preferences shift more towards dads than cads as they get older (and incidently less attractive)?@tedd:“jp – man, if i had a million dollars i wouldn’t be on here, but if you think you can get blood from a turnip, knock yourself out., chuck defending the actions of dan, re: working the room, running game, means that chuck is a solid wingman but it is not the same as dan expressing interest himself nor does it not nullify dan’s actual behavior.“in india, having sex with a woman by falsely saying you will marry her is considered rape. the truth is that without these mores, many men would have sex with females who are not yet adults. you want a woman to marry you because she’d been in an ltr with you, even though her attraction for you had begun to wane in recent months, and a handsome guy at work was tempting her with regular invitations? there are many ways to express sexual interest without actually having sex, and no i don’t mean blowjobs. the fratty guy hits on the freshman, and his buddy tells her he is the real deal, would love a girlfriend, asks if she is attracted, etc. think of how different these two scenarios are:one man to another: hey, pretty boy! course, not everything, especially with young college students, is so black and white. think for college educated males it’s somewhere between 30 and 32. she is declaring where her mind is as a general matter, not making a tactical move in a dating game with a specific man.”your 23-24, i’m 2-3 years older than you depending on the time of year.”you said you’ve never met a *single* man who wanted to marry before his late 20s.@tasminsure an older man *may* have the ability to attract younger women, but this is because he has elevated himself above the majority of other men, younger and older – largely in spite of his age not merely because of it, and he must continue to work at it. i can’t promise i’d take the “higher” path in the eyes of humanity, but my solution would work.’m not the type of person that enjoys emotions very much, but this is exactly the kind of thing i need to share in my romantic relationships., how much theater did you do in hs and college?: we feel the same way; because i didn’t feel mature enough, it seemed wierd that a man that old had an interest in me and that i should be interested in him for that reason. they’ve already lost one man and don’t want to nursemaid another.) who were denied counselling and pretty much told to fuck off and man up. i was in college in the 70s, here is what was perfectly normal and appropriate:weekend 1:on friday night i am going to the pike luau with mark j. a woman forfeits some male smv if she goes over that, but it’s still worth the tradeoff until about age 35 or so. in closing, i am very open to dating a guy 4-6 years older than myself. funny thing was that i went to the bathroom while i was in the young woman’s bathroom and she was telling her mother how she had kicked the guy out because he had never payed for anything, lol.@susan:“missing me while he is supposed to be managing a portfolio sounds like bad news for investors. –i would never suggest it or want it for my older daughter, but bastiat’s suggestion of a kindler, gentler carousel might be just the trick for charlotte. i don’t care how many men tell me that’s impossible, i lived it. think the 1-10 scale is just about as dehumanizing as you can get: women are being reduced to a number, not even an adjective. was an overly romantic/sentimental type, and he would tell me things that would make my skin crawl. that, my parents and other relatives would have been seriously on my case if i even thought to do something of the sort–live with a man as a “kept woman,” a mistress, i would have never heard the end of it. i said this:while you may not want to focus exclusively on older guys, i recommend that this be one strategy in your portfolio. for that small-but-vocal minority to realize that and accept that, instead of churlishly howling on blogs, they need to get on with their lives, that is a challenge that the (wo)manospheres should embraced as a goal. i would much rather be single forever than be with a man who married me to honor commitment in his heart when he actually felt something real for someone else.” while women may enjoy or benefit from talk therapy more than men, much depression will not be alleviated by listening alone.) see her and don’t try escalating as much for a while. when they see a woman not doing the same – especially a woman reaping the benefits of marriage and not contributing back – they get, understandably, riled.*it’s perelman’s narcissistic selfishness that makes him repugnant. no guarantees, of course, as many of them have nothing to their name save a mildly humorous twitter account…but you never know who you might meet! might sound silly, but i really never put much thought into individual people throughout my life, and it’s taken me far longer than most to understand that although we are all human, we have as many or more differences between us than things we share in common, especially when it comes to personality and character., men are very comfortable being exotified, while women are not. but you have never felt this degree of longing before, for any woman. while that may work sometimes, the girl has to generate sexual chemistry in some other way. sure, a couple of them are slackers, but the vast majority of them are just about to finish school and many of them are quite intelligent and will do very well career-wise. the manosphere might have started out with good gripes, but susan isn’t the “enemy #1″ here. tbh, i wouldn’t care if my entire college burned down and everyone died, but i would have moved heaven and earth to save the galaxy from the reapers. the question is whether an unrestricted man would be willing to work with it or not. but i bet i could have managed a decade, perhaps even a little more. bringing up the manosphere as if it’s so important, but it’s really not doing you any favors here. the demand curve does drop off sharply, from the perspective of the woman in her early to mid 20s.. include a 24 year old model and brilliant psychology grad student, and many mid-30’s women… i think i’ll hold off until i find “the one” since my smv is high and will peak with an upcoming income boost. when i say than i am older than i look, people look at me carefully and say “so you are what, 30? i’d much rather marry for love, to a good man that i am genuinely attracted to, and that is what i did. i didn’t realize that i had a vitamin d deficiency, caused by too many months of no sunlight.’ve probably just outed myself as a huge, longterm hus lurkeri’ve done the whole swaying your hips/gliding while in public. however there is a not insignificant (yeah, yeah, double negative, deal with it) minority of women are strongly attracted to any reasonably well preserved older men who hold positions of even modest perceived power. it’s a nice fantasy, but, as a woman who in her 50s, i can tell you that any affection i feel towards men in their 80s comes out of missing my dad. don’t see too many tropes of marrying the middle-class guy and living “frugally ever after” ha ha! my experience, any man that i’ve given my phone number to who was interested in me called me within a week of receiving my number. was inspired to write this post by a couple of women i know who are really, really enjoying relationships with men ten years older. a vast majority of college aged women (18-23yo) don’t give two shits about finding their future husband, and won’t even start to look at the ‘provider’ role until about 23yo. i think you are missing is that many guys want a few relationships before they marry as well.@ zach:actually, with morality being a human social concept that is quite fluid across cultures and societies, and tribal affiliation being a genetically-driven (your tribe usually shares more genes than theirs), biologically common (all sorts of other animals display it) trait, i’d say it works the other way around. a black man saying to me, you are a pretty white girl. that women’s preferences shift more towards dads than cads as they get older (and incidently less attractive)? unfortunately, i’ve seen many parents take great pride in having a ladykiller son. if a 21 year old woman wants to hitch her wagon to a 60yo mans truck, i have no issue with it at all. it works out with my boyfriend (who’s a year older) but i would look like a fool in a date with a 30yr old.”don’t the emails contain a link to manage your subscription? i already said she sounds endearing to me, and the more we talk the more i find myself thinking that i would take all the time necessary to get into this woman’s world. at a deeper level though i truly am romantic and wanted to marry both of the somewhat longer-lasting gf’s i had.’s be honest: it’s pretty cool to say you’re dating someone who’s older and more mature than your average frat bro. think there’s a “gamer stereotype” that gets passed around among people who don’t know very many gamers personally. but most of them got attacked, with the men getting killed and the women getting captured… 😀 only a few civilizations managed to get strong enough every once in a while to overcome this barbarity. at that time, i was in college on a full academic merit scholarship–my tuition was paid for, as was my fees for living in the college dormitory. day i had to go in front of the mirror, while she would call me names until i cried. can’t tell you how many people referred to me as “gringa” in a complimentary way when i studied in mexico. you had some cute, older football player pining for you when you were in junior high and you are saying that you did not get attention until college? stories about young women dating rich, older men for tuition money have increased over the years as more dating websites offer a place solely for young, attractive singles to seek out older, financially generous professionals.@mariefrom a girl’s pov: in my mind, older men do not “compete” with younger men. up to the sweetest, most resilient and independent young man you’ve ever seen. the truth is, most women really don’t want to go more than 10 years older at the outside. the difference is, while you seem to concentrate on the “little things” that can be changed quickly to push things in the right direction, i’m more likely to say the whole thing is broke, should be scrapped, and started overi would love to see you formulate a strategy for that!
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cousin, also known as the most beautiful woman born in the year 1956, had four daughters.: “every man should be aware, though, that if he does use his economic leverage to get a wife, that she is secretly lusting after the gardener, or her gym instructor, not him”playne jain again. i don’t think women have any idea that many men in their 30s would like to settle down – as you say, all the media attention is on aging women not being able to find mates. i didn’t realize that i had a vitamin d deficiency, caused by too many months of no sunlight. i meant that as a friend i don’t know what to do to help a guy, whereas with a woman, i know what i can do: listen. it goes strictly against deti’s lectures last week – perhaps you didn’t agree with him about a woman following her husband and putting his career first? to a parent like that, you are an angel temporarily disguised in human form. only two women who ever liked playing settlers of catan were: 1) one woman who was more masculine than 50% of the guys in the game, and 2) a married woman who only played so she could give her husband good deals on trades.” norms vary by culture, but the french came up with the rule that a man should divide his age in half and add seven to get the youngest appropriate age he might date. if you can’t manage to keep a relationship together for more than a few years but it does happen. sometimes girls say they are open to a ltr, or even a permanent relationship, with a guy that “inspires” those feelings in them. i think 26-30 is when are most attractive…they are still young, handsome, and virile, while maturing and developing those “dad” traits many women look for in a husband. she felt that the age difference was very great – he was in law school, she was on her way to college. no chance to scare guys off because wearing fashionable clothes, and not that many gays there i guess too. can keep your college friends but also hang out with his out-of-college friends.: beach people, i was one for a while, then i ran away from it, now i want to be one again. but it makes sense that a younger woman may have a more flexible and expansive set of “something else” needs/desires than those of a woman of equal age and so many men target accordingly. implies that it is fine and well for a woman to go for the bad boy because she is immature today, but 10 years from now she can be totally happy with her provider husband because she “matured”. no “dude, you should just do such and such” or “buck up, man. i have always been career-minded and together, i’m not a huge drinker, and while i still like to go out, i keep myself pretty composed.” while women may enjoy or benefit from talk therapy more than men, much depression will not be alleviated by listening alone. i’ll admit that zach’s descriptions of this woman have me finding her endearing, and i don’t know a damn thing about her.”so you don’t feel neglected…again, from my pov, just one ons for a young woman is riding the carousel. one of those things that isn’t fun but can be managed.’m also pointing out that a sizable number of the men in the 80%, the betas, deltas and gammas, and the betas susan says she wants women to meet, date and marry, are going to resemble perelman physically (short, fat and physically unattractivewhat is the basis for this claim? i haven’t spoken to a single young man in the last four years who wants to marry before his late 20s at the earliest. i could have called his wife or hr had i been that sort of woman., the woman’s “bride price” goes down if she’s not a virgin when she does marry. around this time last year, i was pulling 60-80 hour workweeks, but i still managed to carved out time for dates. “a guy who’s older already has a career and other responsibilities may have less time to give to you,” says wanis.. yeah, susan, that woman is insane, but if what she says is true, i just lost all respect for mark manson.@detido you realize that a large number of ordinary average men in their 30s to their 50s are going to resemble this man (balding, paunchy, out of shape)? sure, it might not last forever, by hey, let’s enjoy it while we can. but if you find yourself in a situation of dating regularly and you meet a really great guy (there’s no shame in okcupid by the way, i had a profile for awhile), there’s no reason to break it off at a certain point because you haven’t “dated around” enough., girls who want to get married off in the near future should probably focus on older guys (late 20s-early 30s). earlier up thread someone, i forget who, spoke about a 19 year old who found it enjoyable to be a stay-at-home girlfriend to an older man. no “dude, you should just do such and such” or “buck up, man. the tables may turn at 30 in terms of male/female smv trajectory *potential*, but a man still has to run the table to reap the benefit. women, as an evolutionary rule, did not mate with older men with status and resources, and stuck to hard and fast age limits as women have described in this thread, then the drive of men to secure such resources beyond the minimum amount to attain a wife in their physical attractiveness bracket would have been bred out long ago.@ted d but keep in mind, the ‘sphere tends to collect the “herb” type men after they’ve been burned, so perhaps many of them have indeed been in marriages where no or little attraction was ever present. “too many men will look at these comments and say “see? (strs are a different story, though the women the mature man wants can undoubtedly get onss with men at their physical peak of mid to late 20s. the majority of college age women went for older guys out of college then who does that leave for the college guys? these guys never dated a woman their own age or older. my point is, even a “restricted” woman can ride the “carousel” once or twice, and if the primary sticking point is riding at all, then unrestricted vs. to a woman, “macho” characteristics signal “cad,” so we tend to steer clear. it felt wierd and scary, as though a man who was so much older was deliberately targeting me because he might have felt i was young and naive (vulnerable, but not in a good way) and not mature enough to negotiate a relationship with a man so much older and experienced.”well, you’ve managed to royally piss off the mras, puas, internet feminazis, and reddit mangina dorks.’ll say it again: i have never met a young woman who was interested in going on dates, being in a relationship, or marrying for the purpose of “extracting resources. i think there are far, far too few people like me, and far, far too many that are opposite., honestly, what does it matter to hus what the manosphere thinks? barry ife, cervantes professor emeritus at king’s college london; edwin williamson, professor of spanish studies at the university of oxford; jane whetnall, senior lecturer in hispanic studies at queen mary, university of london. i know a bunch of recent college grads who met their spouses in college, moved to the same area after graduation, and got married a few years later. college couple in a relationship knows that there are mighty obstacles to their remaining together forever. i’m getting the feeling that being a high need baby is something common that was not recognized for a while i’m almost positive i was one according to mommy’s tales of my babyhood and i think hubby was one he was supposed colicky and cried for hours too, but my mil was not a very touchy feely person and hubby needs human touch for comforting a lot, like is pretty much the only thing i can do when he is upset hold him and touch him.” the man who deflowers her compensates the family for the loss of her virginity; the man she marries should the first man refuse her pays the price one would pay for a widow or divorcee. is always interesting to see girls get that deer-caught-in-headlights look when, after hearing their checklist of things they want in a man, you ask them what they are bringing to the table.@tedd:also, don’t worry, i’ve now accepted the fact that i’m really a transsexual lesbian, so don’t take my perspective as though it came from a man. i know one woman in her mid 20’s who shackled up with her first serious boyfriend, first guy she had sex with, and she made it clear she’d only sleep with the guy if he moved in with her and played his role as a co-habitation couple.’s a shame, because i believe you have a lot of knowledge and wisdom to contribute, especially as an older person (i miss munson so much 🙁 ). in any event i can’t count the number of times on a certain so-called christian man’s blog, where many of the male commenters said revolting things about women and their age and appearance and it went unchallenged by the blog host.: i agree that some older men “compete well” but 50-something men can (if they’re lucky) compete for 30-something women. you see, on many ways we are working towards the same goal. if a modern ltr can end “for any reason”, then a woman gaining 10 pounds counts. because i came of age pre-internet and blogs were not available to me, i didn’t discover until after i was already married to a man only a year older than me that as an 18-22 i was supposed to be hot for men at least 10 years older than me. i hope he has what it takes to get the type of woman he wants. most of them have told me that “you were way too put-together for most college guys” and that i was intimidating because of my “fashion-y clothes” and interest in getting away from the campus and into the real world. he’s also the one who broke into my apartment to leave a written apology while i was sleeping after we’d argued. and i assume that after a lifetime of sexually activity(began at age 11 with two girls 5 years older than him) he’s probably far better in the sack than most young, hot guys. to a parent like that, you are an angel temporarily disguised in human form. a woman or man doesn’t want to gross out their spouse, they just have to maintain their health. – “honestly, i don’t like it when a man tells me that he misses me either.’m pretty proud of the fact that she had no idea i was terrified and just thought it was my awkwardness at being with a new woman after 12 years of marriage. charlotte, as long as you go in with open eyes and don’t demand more than what you’re offering (when and if the feelings kick in) i see no problem. you ever find yourself in this predicament, politely remind your man that you are a mature collegiette who’s able to make decisions for herself—nobody needs another parental figure! recently had mentioned the vast difference between the word college and university. think the manosphere overstates the tendency of women to drop guys “just because”.”how can we appropriately argue with charlotte over semantics if we can’t project things onto her that she never actually said and didn’t actually mean? had never thought of addressing the suicide issue in such a manner before. it’ll probably change as you get older, and you can pick either casual sex or real relationships. i think more young women are open to the idea of dating a guy who is older than not, however it gets a bit tired when the topic gets turned into guys in their late 30’s and up going for girls in their early twenties. like escoffier, i don’t quite buy the argument that a man can have unmarried sex, but not women.”no, that’s how she feels about marrying an ugly but rich old man for his money when you’re not attracted to him. so, because a woman “matures” into wanting a beta provider, it is no longer considered “bait and switch”. see, i and many men i know never went through that “bleach blonde” phase, so although i understand the stereotype you were shooting for, it is only because i’ve seen it in popular culture. since the two of you are in completely different worlds, you may need to explain things a little more to him than you normally would to a collegent.
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) if she were with a man who truly loved her.“why you should date an older guy”for a minute, i thought i had accidently logged onto the askmen forum. hypergamy is hypergamy, i know, but its “g factor” cannot be quite so possibly attuned as to draw so many women to such a tiny subset of men., i would like to see a study that measures the amount of testosterone a 45 year old power lifter is carrying around compared to a 21 year old nonathletic college student. – “imagine that you are dating a woman and have been for two years.@cooperbut the same messege that tells a woman to look past 3. while the extroverts have to spend tons of time figuring a person out, i spend a minimum amount of time filtering most people out from the gate, and then work on the few that make it through. the man i married at twenty was a brilliant, morbid, handsome, abnormal creature with magnificent eyes and very white teeth and no particular appetite at mealtime. it is wrong for the woman to not pursue marriage with an older man merely for age differences. many guys in their early 20s are not ready, but some clearly are – intj and cooper are two great examples. it goes strictly against deti’s lectures last week – perhaps you didn’t agree with him about a woman following her husband and putting his career first?”if by “the man”, you mean you and me (i. i actually think that could dissuade a man more than anything if the girl is like an instant cling-on, talking about their future together from the start. many women’s faces don’t develop and look good til out of their teens. salvatori, an oilman who helped make reagan’s political career, had to fight like hell to get reagan into the la country club, and he did so by telling the board that since reagan worked for ge, he was an industrialist, not an actor. i think it’s fair to say that any woman who marries you in future is a fool. i daresay that’s one big reason why virginity rates in college have gone way up…. no reason to suspect a woman who is a virgin at x point is an ice queen (30 maybe). the problem was that, while he loved his wife and had never been unfaithful to her, she didn’t provide him with the admiration and sense of sharing goals i did. while our relationship is fairly egaliatarian, i have repeatedly described my husband as a socially dominant individual who exerts his dominance over the business world in such a way as it produces resources for our family. problem is typical: my ideal woman would be a shy, introverted, conservative women that turns into a nympho only in my company. manosphere is so toxic that my husband asked me specifically to stop reading it in the first year that we were togetherhope, do you know the scene in the godfather where kay and michael are leaving the movie theater and kay asks michael if he would like her better if she were a nun? look, once we got to see how talented ld was with her work on girls, i don’t think a single woman has made an unkind remark about her (ld) looks. an older man is established, less prone to let his affections meander, and much less likely to fall prey to a young woman’s shit tests; his younger counterparts generally do not have the wisdom that comes with experience. i just found “acceptable” to be an understatement when talking about someone that “a lot of college guys today would love to find but can’t”. she’s throwing gasoline on that fire by breaking bad on a guy like ron perelman because he’s unattractive. as it’s delusional to assume that all men age into clooney, it’s just as unfair to assume that all men age and look like perlman. only reason a man needs to worry about getting older is if he wants children. yeah, i agree that a divorced guy might not be an ideal bet, but as a formerly divorced and now remarried man, i’d at least say don’t discount a guy simply because he couldn’t make it work with some other woman. comments like hers implicitly tell the manosphere “yes, you’re right. years older (the female preference), you might want to look at guys a bit older.@jrd“i always shake my head when i see or hear a woman identify herself as “independent”. around this time last year, i was pulling 60-80 hour workweeks, but i still managed to carved out time for dates. this makes her anxious, she is a restricted woman, you are an unrestricted man, so she thinks you’re playing her for sex (because you’re going through the actions by route). it’s not to say that if the timing is right, it will happen, but i’m not going to fuck the city of manhattan and expect to be treated like a high-quality catch. i am 33, and would like to marry a woman about 20 years younger than me. have a few friends on board as well, and we are just starting to talk about what we can do to live somewhere else in the world, without all the baggage associated with western society, while being able to have enough money to live there in comfort. because i was so busy interning and getting my career together in college, the whole college scene wasn’t so much my thing and i didn’t see many of the guys i went to school in a romantic light. (this was back in college, and jlo was a star). if a man said those things to my face irl, i might be compassionate regarding his frustrations and obvious pain, but the imagery sends up some red flags to me. when women are doing the hunting, they can do the choosing – till then, it’s a man’s prerogative… ”lol!”if a woman can’t get the attention of men 3.”if i was in college, and my gf landed a very good job first, i surely would *consider* moving to where she was – since i don’t have one yet.’s true that as a man gets older, he will have a tougher time dating 20 year olds. i liked his post on the mature man as well. perhaps its just that he has spent several years plowing through the “hotter, younger, tighter” women, so he won’t miss out on anything when he prioritizes the older women now. had the same problem in college, minus the easy work (stupid calculus)., a new study finds that while women do respond more favorably to the faces and bodies of men with strong immune responses, they seem to cue into fatness and thinness, not macho features, when making their judgments., i believe that this has more influence on the growing college gender ratio skew than discrimination against boys in school.. “pretty”, insofar that she seems feminine enough, and she’s cute, and probably the type that a lot of college guys today would love to find but can’t. there are many restricted folks who have a hard time finding partners because the prevailing script (sex first then “see where it goes”. no reason to take advantage of a mentally unstable woman.@intjobviously charles manson is an extreme example, but it’s absolutely true. if a man dates many women and is single past a certain age, women often make the assumption that he must be flawed in some way, a womanizer or a man that refuse to grow up. and ted, i do the foot thing, but also while touching other places. i assure you that i can put many evangelical preachers to shame when it comes to fiery speeches about sin, evil, and eternal damnation, and i’m not all that invested in the religious aspects at all.. i joked a lot with my friends that my life was like a romantic comedy. it’s difficult for many women to feel sexual if they don’t feel secure first. can say that being aware of the “ovulation effect” for awhile now, i can see some subtle changes in her behavior though. while other collegiettes are left wondering if that dfmo from last weekend could blossom into something more, you’re in an adult relationship with a real man. i was literally smirking at the thought, and only realized it when i saw myself in the review mirror while scanning behind me, as is my routine. whichever way the woman chooses might lie to the individual woman. it’s very difficult for kids – many try to have a ldr, but that’s very stressful and guys tend to balk because then it’s the commitment with hardly any sex., this site sometimes has in my view its posts kewed or flawed, and, as i mentioned before, many a comment unnecessarily vulgar (vulgarity killed the cat), but it is essentially well intentioned. don’t see the reason to wait for a guy to become a better catch if he is generally a good guy, has graduated college and is willing to have a relationship now. locking him down at his physical peak is the optimal female strategy, as this takes him off the market before his full mmv has been realized, and also while he is closest to the female ideal of 3. i used the word boor to describe him as a “rude, ill-mannered person. what i said was:“a large number of ordinary average men in their 30s to their 50s are going to resemble [perelman]. she ends her prime years at 31, while the male stays in his prime through 36. day i had to go in front of the mirror, while she would call me names until i cried. this is all of course assuming i could attact a significantly younger woman, which is not a given. alone does not make a man more desirable, in fact men must work to both preserve their youth/health physically as well as work to establish those “something else’s”. they seem to have a lot of emotional problems, especially when they get older and their dick doesn’t work like it used to. i know beyond all doubt that any process *i* designed to fix all this would be painful at best, and downright inhuman at worst. i was in college and started working at this office, i described a female coworker to a female friend of mine as being “normal”. don quixote tells the story of an unlikely hero – an impoverished country gentleman who goes mad from reading too much and decides to put the world to rights by becoming a knight errant. “his days [were] filled with clients, meetings and conference calls,” says hilary*, a collegiette who dated a 22-year-old when she was a freshman in college. more i look at that picture, the more convinced i am that cigstache is a fat guy with manboobs and rocker hair that he put in pigtails for halloween. the popularization of second wave feminism, with the accompanying view that a woman’s virginity was her own to dispose of, removed those laws from the books, but i would bet that someone on this thread will characterize the criminal prosecution of the man in your link as “feminist. also had a high school classmate who did kill himself freshman year of college.“i’m wondering if the reason many of you seem to think that “getting to know someone” takes months is because you all just like too damn many people. woman zach is seeing has been burned by someone, and he’s the rebound. it is always good to give a man something new to look at., on the blogs were the adage gets a lot of credence, there are older guys who think that they can continue to be attractive to very young women into their 60s as long as they work out. well, during that time she started dating a guy that was older than she was (i don’t remember how much, but definitely older).. it's not super-sweet and romantic of him when he buys you beer and/or gets you a fake.

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